Q about cows milk

[A&G&K]

Well, I stopped pumping today. A bittersweet moment.
Its just not worth it anymore as I can barely get an ounce now, even with DD
( 14 mo) feeding from the other side. I have only ever pumped once a day
for almost a year and I've gone from getting 4 oz per side, to 4 oz total
whilst nursing DD / 3 oz the few days before AF ... and now that I'm pg, I
can barely crack 1.5 oz total. I'm only really pumping milk to use on her
cereal anyway, so I guess its time to call it quits. On the plus side, she
is nursing just as often, so hopefully we can continue that for as long as
possible.

The other plus is that she is finally taking cows milk on her cereal without
any ill effects. I'd also like to start giving her some milk in her sippy
cup. The only other liquid she'll drink at the moment (other than bm) is
water which she really likes. She's tried juice before but didn't like it,
and I'd rather that she eat a piece of fruit anyway as I think juice is
really only lolly water - unless freshly squeezed (or pulped) with pulp in
etc.

My question is how much cows milk should she have? I gave her 100 ml ( ~ 3
oz) after breakfast (long bf plus cereal and fruit) this morning and she
drank it all down and seemed to really like it.
Assuming she has no reaction to it, how much should she be allowed to have
in a day (which would only be given after a bf and a meal)?
(I'm also assuming that for now, she should only have pasteurised milk and
not the lovely fresh creamy milk we get from DH's parents farm ... or would
that be OK??).

TIA
Amanda
DD 15 August 2002
EDD#2 14 June 2004

[H Schinske]

Amanda wrote:

>My question is how much cows milk should she have?

About a pint a day (that would be a little under half a liter) is what's
recommended for age one to two. Presumably somewhat less at the beginning of
the year, and you can figure in some breastmilk anyway.

A whole lot more than that can interfere with a balanced diet, since cow's milk
is not a balanced food for what small people need.

--Helen

[Beth Kevles]

Hi -

You're right, only pasteurized milk for now. Fresh milk is probably
okay after ... about 5 years of age? You should check on that ...

As for how MUCH milk ... don't think that you're weaning from breast to
milk. You're weaning from breast to a balanced diet. In that context,
balance the milk (cow's milk is NOT a whole food) with other forms of
nutrition. Up to a pint a day is probably okay, but look out for
trouble, which may manifest as the runs OR constipation. (Either can be
a sign of trouble.) And keep thinking of the milk just as you would
think of it for an older child: milk is okay, but she needs veggies and
grains and such, too.

I hope this helps,
--Beth Kevles

http://web.mit.edu/kevles/www/nomilk.html -- a page for the milk-allergic
Disclaimer: Nothing in this message should be construed as medical
advice. Please consult with your own medical practicioner.

NOTE: No email is read at my MIT address. Use the AOL one if you would
like me to reply.

[A&G&K]

"Beth Kevles" > wrote in message
...
>
> Hi -
>
> You're right, only pasteurized milk for now. Fresh milk is probably
> okay after ... about 5 years of age? You should check on that ...
>
> As for how MUCH milk ... don't think that you're weaning from breast to
> milk. You're weaning from breast to a balanced diet. In that context,
> balance the milk (cow's milk is NOT a whole food) with other forms of
> nutrition. Up to a pint a day is probably okay, but look out for
> trouble, which may manifest as the runs OR constipation. (Either can be
> a sign of trouble.) And keep thinking of the milk just as you would
> think of it for an older child: milk is okay, but she needs veggies and
> grains and such, too.
>
Thanks Beth - that's exactly how I think of milk - as drink to go with a
meal, not as a meal replacement. She's on plenty of solids and gets cereal,
fruit, veges, bread and meat. She also gets the odd treat at her Ma's
place but I'm OK with that because I know my Mum has a strict limit on how
many "treats" anyone can have.
I'm actually surprised that the recommendation is so high (ie up to a pint
/ 570 ml :) I was thinking maybe a cup a day (250 ml) would be plenty.
She's still bf about 5 times a day (more at the moment because she has a
cold) so I'll probably just continue with the 100 ml at breakfast for now.
Its good to know that I can gradually increase the amount of milk she has if
she starts dropping bf.
Thanks
Amanda

[A&G&K]

"H Schinske" > wrote in message
...
> Amanda wrote:
>
> >My question is how much cows milk should she have?
>
> About a pint a day (that would be a little under half a liter) is what's
> recommended for age one to two. Presumably somewhat less at the beginning
of
> the year, and you can figure in some breastmilk anyway.
>
> A whole lot more than that can interfere with a balanced diet, since cow's
milk
> is not a balanced food for what small people need.
>
> --Helen

Thanks Helen
It actually seems like so much more milk than I thought would be reasonable.
Its good to know that I can increased the amount she has with her meals if
she starts dropping bf.
Cheers
Amanda

[H Schinske]

Amanda wrote:

>I'm actually surprised that the recommendation is so high (ie up to a pint
>/ 570 ml :) I was thinking maybe a cup a day (250 ml) would be plenty.
>She's still bf about 5 times a day

Oops, I forgot about the difference in pints! Our pint is two cups, 16 fluid
ounces, and a cup is really a little less than 250 ml. I've just checked, and
it's 241 ml, so our pints would be only 482 ml.

--Helen

[little bunny fu-fu]

In article >,
says...
> Well, I stopped pumping today. A bittersweet moment.
> Its just not worth it anymore as I can barely get an ounce now, even with DD
> ( 14 mo) feeding from the other side. I have only ever pumped once a day
> for almost a year and I've gone from getting 4 oz per side, to 4 oz total
> whilst nursing DD / 3 oz the few days before AF ... and now that I'm pg, I
> can barely crack 1.5 oz total. I'm only really pumping milk to use on her
> cereal anyway, so I guess its time to call it quits. On the plus side, she
> is nursing just as often, so hopefully we can continue that for as long as
> possible.
>
> The other plus is that she is finally taking cows milk on her cereal without
> any ill effects. I'd also like to start giving her some milk in her sippy
> cup. The only other liquid she'll drink at the moment (other than bm) is
> water which she really likes. She's tried juice before but didn't like it,
> and I'd rather that she eat a piece of fruit anyway as I think juice is
> really only lolly water - unless freshly squeezed (or pulped) with pulp in
> etc.
>
> My question is how much cows milk should she have? I gave her 100 ml ( ~ 3
> oz) after breakfast (long bf plus cereal and fruit) this morning and she
> drank it all down and seemed to really like it.
> Assuming she has no reaction to it, how much should she be allowed to have
> in a day (which would only be given after a bf and a meal)?
> (I'm also assuming that for now, she should only have pasteurised milk and
> not the lovely fresh creamy milk we get from DH's parents farm ... or would
> that be OK??).

I just thought I'd mention something I didn't see mentioned yet. With my
frist one (FF) when changing over from formula to cows milk I noticed
that he'd get cold like symptoms (runny nose/slightly stuffy nose and
cranky) and that I actually had to delay it until around 18 months
before he stopped reacting like that. So, watch for that too as it seems
(from observing other people I know) that it's often overlooked.

--

Christine

if you want to feel rich, look at all the things you have that money
can't buy

Destiny sketches out our lifes blueprint with
the pencil of our perceptions...... Erase the limiting ones.

[Beth Kevles]

Hi -

When I said "up to a pint" I meant that a pint (2 cups) is the UPPER
limit. There's no lower limit, since the milk is simply part of a
well-balanced diet. If a child happens to dislike milk, less is fine.

As a beverage, water is probably the best. Get the calcium from cheese,
yogurt, or sources that are not milk-related.

Just clarifying,
--Beth Kevles

http://web.mit.edu/kevles/www/nomilk.html -- a page for the milk-allergic
Disclaimer: Nothing in this message should be construed as medical
advice. Please consult with your own medical practicioner.

NOTE: No email is read at my MIT address. Use the AOL one if you would
like me to reply.

[Chookie]

In article >,
(H Schinske) wrote:

> >I'm actually surprised that the recommendation is so high (ie up to a pint
> >/ 570 ml :) I was thinking maybe a cup a day (250 ml) would be plenty.
> >She's still bf about 5 times a day
>
> Oops, I forgot about the difference in pints! Our pint is two cups, 16 fluid
> ounces, and a cup is really a little less than 250 ml. I've just checked, and
> it's 241 ml, so our pints would be only 482 ml.

I nearly fell off the chair when you suggested a pint, Helen! I didn't know
you people used them, let alone that they were different from Imperial pints!
(When are you going to reach the 18th century and use metric, eh?)

But to bring you all up to date:

The current Australian guidelines
(http://www.nhmrc.gov.au/publications/pdf/n34.pdf p. 61)
say that 4-7yos should receive 2 servings of dairy products -- a serve being a
cup (250ml) of milk, two slices/40g cheese, or 200ml yoghurt. Obviously, an
under-4yo should get less. The only other thing to note is that under-2yos
should eat only full-fat dairy products. Anyway, you now know that 500ml is
definitely too much!

WRT unpasteurised milk -- I personally wouldn't risk it with such a young
child, even if TB and brucellosis have been eradicated from the Australian
dairy herd. Why risk a gastric upset when you don't have to?

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

"Jeez; if only those Ancient Greek storytellers had known about the astonishing
creature that is the *Usenet hydra*: you cut off one head, and *a stupider one*
grows back..." -- MJ, cam.misc

[H Schinske]

Ellen wrote:

>I nearly fell off the chair when you suggested a pint, Helen! I didn't know
>you people used them, let alone that they were different from Imperial pints!
>
>(When are you going to reach the 18th century and use metric, eh?)

I was taught "A pint is a pound, the world around," but apparently you folks of
Imperial pints are not living up to that simple behest. Ergo, you do not belong
to the world as We know it ;-)

(And dang it, the last time I had a pint in England and tried to pay for it
with a pound, there was a dust-up. Furriners!)

--Helen

[H Schinske]

>...and a pound isn't the same around the world - ours is 500 g :-)
>
>Tine, Denmark

Wait, you mean you use the name "pound" to mean what is actually a half-kilo?

This makes my head hurt! :-)

On the other hand, that gets you a *little* closer to an Imperial pint weighing
a pound. Not quite far enough though. It would be only about 17.6 ounces.

--Helen

[Tine Andersen]

"H Schinske" > skrev i en meddelelse
...
> Ellen wrote:
>
> >I nearly fell off the chair when you suggested a pint, Helen! I didn't
know
> >you people used them, let alone that they were different from Imperial
pints!
> >
> >(When are you going to reach the 18th century and use metric, eh?)
>
> I was taught "A pint is a pound, the world around," but apparently you
folks of
> Imperial pints are not living up to that simple behest. Ergo, you do not
belong
> to the world as We know it ;-)
>
> (And dang it, the last time I had a pint in England and tried to pay for
it
> with a pound, there was a dust-up. Furriners!)

....and a pound isn't the same around the world - ours is 500 g :-)

Tine, Denmark

[Tatjana Farkin]

"H Schinske" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
> >...and a pound isn't the same around the world - ours is 500 g :-)
> >
> >Tine, Denmark
>
> Wait, you mean you use the name "pound" to mean what is actually a
half-kilo?
>
> This makes my head hurt! :-)

Same here in Germany - two pounds are a kilo, and it's completely normal
to ask for "3 pounds of carrots" on the market if you want 1.500g :-)

--
Tatjana
PCOS - TTC #1 for 2 years

[Pat Norton]

H Schinske wrote:
>Wait, you mean you use the name "pound" to mean what is actually a half-kilo?

Water, to the nearest gram:
473 g ~ 1 US liquid pint
551 g ~ 1 US dry pint
568 g ~ 1 Imperial pint
454 g ~ 1 pound (non-metric)
500 g ~ 1 pound (in some metric countries)
You can do the arithmetic on all the permutations yourself!

The rhyme used in imperial countries:
"A pint of water weighs a pound and a quarter".

[H Schinske]

Pat wrote:

>The rhyme used in imperial countries:
>"A pint of water weighs a pound and a quarter".

But water and quarter don't rhyme, either!

;-) ;-) ;-)

How about "Pounds of water to keep you alive, A pint of it weighs
one-point-two-five."

--Helen, procrastinating

[Chookie]

In article >,
(H Schinske) wrote:

> >The rhyme used in imperial countries:
> >"A pint of water weighs a pound and a quarter".
>
> But water and quarter don't rhyme, either!
>
> ;-) ;-) ;-)

Aren't you the peron who pronounces Mary, marry and merry all the same? We
normal people say wawder and quawder!

;-) ;-) ;-)

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

"Jeez; if only those Ancient Greek storytellers had known about the astonishing
creature that is the *Usenet hydra*: you cut off one head, and *a stupider one*
grows back..." -- MJ, cam.misc