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KS
October 19th 03, 12:49 PM
I just wanted to vent, and hopefully this newsgroups will entertain
me. Here is our recent breastfeeding experience. Things are a bit of
a blur, so bear with me.

Our son was born at 6:22am on Tuesday, October 14. Labor was
over 26 hours, and the baby was finally born via C-section. (I was
9cm, so his head was cone shaped, etc) Within an hour or so, the
staff had me breastfeeding. The baby seemed to do fairly well. The
only issue was that his bottom lip would not always be open. It often
took a couple tries, but eventually we would get it done.
Over the next 24 hours or so, we fed the baby 5 or 6 times. Each
time the baby was fed, the staff instructed us that we had to wake the
baby up and feed it. Needless to say, the baby was not that
interested, and would need constant coaxing to suckle. The other
problem was that every nurse told me something different as far as how
and/or when I should feed. During this time, the baby was making many
bowel movements, and urinating acceptably.
After 24 hours, a nurse came in with a chart that said that I
should have fed the baby 8-12 times during the preceeding 24 hours,
and every 24 hours thereafter. This was the first time we had heard
this. We then began a much more aggressive schedule of waking the
baby up to feed him. Again, he did not seem terribly interested. Yet
again, we kept getting different advice depending on which nurse was
on duty. We asked to see the lactation consultant, only to be told
that we would not see her until just prior to my discharge. We were
also told to listen to see if the baby was swallowing, which he rarely
did. (and it was very quiet at that)
Two days after delivery, the hospital staff told me that the baby
had lost 11.4% of his body weight. The hospital's cuttoff was 10%,
and one nurse labeled the baby as "failure to thrive." They began
supplementing ny colostrum with formula. They did this by putting a
small catheter alongside my nipple. I also was told to pump my
colostrum so they could use that in the catheter instead of the
formula. With this method, they gave the baby 20cc's of
formula/colustrum or more at each feeding. They now told us that we
had to feed the baby every 2 hours, wheter or not the baby was
interested. Because of the "failure to thrive," we finally were given
an audience with the lactation consultant, who was the one that set up
the whole system of catheter feeding.
By the time we were discharged, the baby had gained a slight
amount of weight. We left the hospital extremely anxious, feeling as
if we were not feeding our baby correctly. Every feeding was
stressful, and my husband and I often argued since we were both
convinced that the feedings were a life or death matter... yet we
didn't feel that we really knew what to do.
The day after we got home, we had a visit from a home health
nurse who was a lactation consultant. To make a long story short, she
told us that:
- It is normal for baby's to lose weight. 11.4% is fine.
- The baby is not going to make many (if any) sucking sounds when
being fed colostrum. The baby is getting just a tiny amount of food.
- The baby will tell us when it wants to eat. Of course the baby was
not that interested in eating after a hard delivery. (The C-section
was done because the baby was under too much stress) There is no need
to wake the baby up and force food down its throat.
- The baby was latching just fine.

After this visit, things have gone great. My milk is fully in,
and we are feeding the baby when (and only when) he wants. (about
every 4 hours - and he feeds like a champ taking a ton of milk) The
nice thing is that he seems satisfied to be feeding, and satisfied
when he is done. It is such a change. He even spends some quality
awake time with us when he is done.
The visiting nurse said that teaching hospitals such as the one
where we had the baby have strict policies, and don't really think
about the child's wants.

So there is my venting. We are still a little shaken from feeling
like we could not provide for our child, and were putting our child at
risk. I'm also sure that I've left plenty out, but the good news is
that everything is going great. Thank goodness for the home health
nurse!

Belphoebe
October 19th 03, 02:42 PM
"KS" > wrote in message
om...

> So there is my venting. We are still a little shaken from feeling
> like we could not provide for our child, and were putting our child at
> risk. I'm also sure that I've left plenty out, but the good news is
> that everything is going great. Thank goodness for the home health
> nurse!

{{{KS}}}

I so know what you're talking about re. hospitals' knack for undermining new
parents' confidence. I went through a similar, though not quite as bad,
experience with my DS. Now that you're home, you can actually relax a
little and enjoy your baby. It sounds as though you're doing great.
Congrats and welcome to mkb. :)

--
Belphoebe

Mary W.
October 19th 03, 02:45 PM
KS wrote:
> I just wanted to vent, and hopefully this newsgroups will entertain
> me. Here is our recent breastfeeding experience. Things are a bit of
> a blur, so bear with me.

I'm sorry you had such a stressful start. Unfortunately, I think
this happens alot- your story reminded me of mine, in many ways.

Congratulations on the birth of your baby, and good luck with
breastfeeding!

Mary

She's A Goddess
October 19th 03, 04:32 PM
"KS" > wrote in message
om...
> Our son was born at 6:22am on Tuesday, October 14.

Congratulations! My nephew was born that afternoon and his mother has also
had a rough time with breastfeeding. One of their challenges is that he was
a few weeks premature but the larger challenges have definitely been what
you described. Every nurse, or lactation nurse or lactation consultant had
a slightly different set of "rules" and of doing things.

For the parents to be out there, my advice is "push, push, push". Nope, the
baby will already be out by the time you do this :-) What I mean, is that
it is *your* baby and *you* are responsible for him or her. Be as
knowledgable ahead of the birth as you can be because you'll only remember
of fraction of what you know in the post birth fog and when you want
something (such as to see a LC) push to get it. Don't ask nicely - demand.
It will get you somewhere and you will feel better for it in the long run.

--
Rhiannon
Mom to M. Girl and O. Boy

Marvin L. Zinn
October 19th 03, 06:27 PM
Glad you got through it. I guess the medical profession
still hasn't caught on to the right way of doing
things, even though it's been established for thousands
of years!

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Phoebe & Allyson
October 19th 03, 08:35 PM
KS wrote:

> the good news is
> that everything is going great.

Congratulations and good for you! That hospital sounds like
a really horrible place for bf.

Phoebe :)
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H Schinske
October 19th 03, 08:40 PM
wrote:

> So there is my venting. We are still a little shaken from feeling
>like we could not provide for our child, and were putting our child at
>risk. I'm also sure that I've left plenty out, but the good news is
>that everything is going great. Thank goodness for the home health
>nurse!

Absolutely. Hurray for her, and for you too!

Did you have an IV for a long time during labor, by any chance? Some babies are
born downright puffy, and lose a lot of weight right away, like overnight,
before it really *could* be a breastfeeding issue. Two of mine did that, lost a
pound by the day after they were born, something like that. As they were under
ten pounds at birth, that was obviously over ten percent of their weight. I
think in my son's case the IV I had for so many hours definitely contributed.

--Helen

Beth
October 20th 03, 12:32 AM
"KS" > wrote in message
om...
> We are still a little shaken from feeling
> like we could not provide for our child, and were putting our child at
> risk. I'm also sure that I've left plenty out, but the good news is
> that everything is going great. Thank goodness for the home health
> nurse!

First of all, congratulations on having your son, and now feeding him, too!

Your story is nearly identical to mine. My DS was a sleepy nurser and lost
12% of his body weight before discharge. I got a lot of differing advice,
and "threats" of formula supplementation, which I fought off. His weight
loss stopped and stayed level. We took him home and he gained at an
incredible rate. Now at ten months old, he tops the charts--and still gets
99.9% of his nutrition from mama milk.

I don't know why those people push the panic button the way they do. I
happen to think that my baby just diuresed a lot and was getting plenty of
colostrum from me.

I happen to think that determination to breastfeed is almost everything. As
bullheaded as I was, the nurses and peds shook my confidence, so I am not
surprised that many women conclude that they can't BF, or fall into the
supplementation trap, or what have you. You sound pretty bullheaded,
too--and lucky for your son!

Beth

zeldabee
October 20th 03, 05:51 PM
(H Schinske) wrote:
> wrote:
>
> > So there is my venting. We are still a little shaken from feeling
> >like we could not provide for our child, and were putting our child at
> >risk. I'm also sure that I've left plenty out, but the good news is
> >that everything is going great. Thank goodness for the home health
> >nurse!
>
> Absolutely. Hurray for her, and for you too!
>
> Did you have an IV for a long time during labor, by any chance? Some
> babies are born downright puffy, and lose a lot of weight right away,
> like overnight, before it really *could* be a breastfeeding issue. Two of
> mine did that, lost a pound by the day after they were born, something
> like that. As they were under ten pounds at birth, that was obviously
> over ten percent of their weight. I think in my son's case the IV I had
> for so many hours definitely contributed.

The simple solution to this is to give the baby IV fluids... :o/ No, I'm
not seriously suggesting this, but my son *did* have IV fluids for a day
and a half, and only lost an ounce.

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KS
October 20th 03, 11:05 PM
Just want everyone to know that we had a doctor's appointment today
and the baby has gained 5oz since his hospital discharge three days
ago. All of this with our only feeding him when he wants... not
forcing him like the hospital wanted.

JennP
October 21st 03, 01:10 AM
"KS" > wrote in message
om...
> Just want everyone to know that we had a doctor's appointment today
> and the baby has gained 5oz since his hospital discharge three days
> ago. All of this with our only feeding him when he wants... not
> forcing him like the hospital wanted.

Glad to hear it!
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JennP.

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Belphoebe
October 21st 03, 01:18 AM
"KS" > wrote in message
om...
> Just want everyone to know that we had a doctor's appointment today
> and the baby has gained 5oz since his hospital discharge three days
> ago. All of this with our only feeding him when he wants... not
> forcing him like the hospital wanted.

Isn't that a great feeling? Keep up the good work! :)

--
Belphoebe