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K-K ~Glass Boobs~
November 22nd 03, 09:48 PM
Well its getting easier, but still frustrating. DS gets confused if he has
his soother right before the breast and will start chomping rather than
sucking, but a quick re-latch usually does the trick. The latest emotional
hurdle: It is obvious that one breast (lefty) is full of milk where as the
other one (righty) has barely any in it. Lefty leaks on me, and I can feel
it fill up, Righty... nothing. He only swallows for about 3 mins on Righty,
where as lefty he can drink the full 10- 15 mins.
I got an idea, and I hope it works. I bought an egg timer and I set it to 10
mins, I make sure he sucks for equal time on each breast (starting on right)
in hopes that things will even out. I'm letting him dry suck on righty for
the same amount of time, If he still appears hungry I will set the timer for
another 5 minutes and swap breasts again. I start on the empty one so that
he draws mouth fulls instead of gently sucking him self to sleep. If any one
has this problem with one boob on (E) please Id like to hear from you, Il
write about the empty boob issue again in a week to let others with the same
problem know if it worked or not. :)
Some women resort on single side feeding with what I hear are devastating
side effects. (permanently lop sided boobs) EEEK, that scares me!
K-K
Phoebe & Allyson
November 22nd 03, 11:02 PM
K-K ~Glass Boobs~ wrote:
> DS gets confused if he has
> his soother right before the breast and will start chomping rather than
> sucking, but a quick re-latch usually does the trick.
Incipient nipple confusion - you might want to back off on
the pacifier for a few days.
> I make sure he sucks for equal time on each breast (starting on right)
> in hopes that things will even out.
When we had the same problem, I tried a similar thing.
After 2-3 days of starting her on the slow side and
switching when she wouldn't latch on that side anymore,
things evened out.
Phoebe oht nak :)
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Cheryl S.
November 22nd 03, 11:34 PM
K-K ~Glass Boobs~ > wrote in message
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> I got an idea, and I hope it works. I bought an egg timer
> and I set it to 10 mins, I make sure he sucks for equal time
> on each breast (starting on right) in hopes that things will even
> out. I'm letting him dry suck on righty for the same amount of
> time, If he still appears hungry I will set the timer for another
> 5 minutes and swap breasts again. I start on the empty one
> so that he draws mouth fulls instead of gently sucking him
> self to sleep.
I've read your other posts and I know that demand feeding was difficult
for you but I have to say I still don't get why you need an egg timer to
tell you when to switch sides or stop him from nursing. When he's done,
he'll stop nursing, honest. It's very easy that way.
--
Cheryl S.
Mom to Julie, 2 yr., 7 mo.
And Jaden, 2 months
Cleaning the house while your children are small is like
shoveling the sidewalk while it's still snowing.
Irrational Number
November 23rd 03, 05:21 AM
I always start Pillbug on the left side because
that is the slow side.
I did the 10/10/5/5 timing thing, too, in the
beginning. Hope it works for you.
-- Anita --
K-K ~Glass Boobs~ wrote:
> Well its getting easier, but still frustrating. DS gets confused if he has
> his soother right before the breast and will start chomping rather than
> sucking, but a quick re-latch usually does the trick. The latest emotional
> hurdle: It is obvious that one breast (lefty) is full of milk where as the
> other one (righty) has barely any in it. Lefty leaks on me, and I can feel
> it fill up, Righty... nothing. He only swallows for about 3 mins on Righty,
> where as lefty he can drink the full 10- 15 mins.
> I got an idea, and I hope it works. I bought an egg timer and I set it to 10
> mins, I make sure he sucks for equal time on each breast (starting on right)
> in hopes that things will even out. I'm letting him dry suck on righty for
> the same amount of time, If he still appears hungry I will set the timer for
> another 5 minutes and swap breasts again. I start on the empty one so that
> he draws mouth fulls instead of gently sucking him self to sleep. If any one
> has this problem with one boob on (E) please Id like to hear from you, Il
> write about the empty boob issue again in a week to let others with the same
> problem know if it worked or not. :)
>
> Some women resort on single side feeding with what I hear are devastating
> side effects. (permanently lop sided boobs) EEEK, that scares me!
>
> K-K
>
>
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Dawn Lawson
November 23rd 03, 05:36 AM
K-K ~Glass Boobs~ wrote:
> I got an idea, and I hope it works. I bought an egg timer and I set it to 10
> mins,
Start on the "dry" side for a while. Supply and demand rule milk
production, so if you are really bothered that the right side isn't
producing as much, you will have to nurse more on it, so your idea might
work...and I suspect you may find breastfeeding in general becomes
tolerable enough to forgo the rather scientific approach and "just do
it" as DS gets a little older.
My right side, even non-lactating, has always been somewhat smaller
(probably only I could tell), and is "slower" and I'd say the size
difference is only very slightly more than pre-sprog. IOW, not very
much, barely noticeable, not enough to encite emotional trauma, nor to
make me want to wean (besides...if you save up the money you aren't
spending on formula, and long term woes like illnesses and
allergies...you can have them any size and shape you want them after you
wean! ;-))
I hope the egg timer doesn't "go off" with a loud noise, or your next
emotional posting will be about biting! :-))
Dawn
Melissa
November 23rd 03, 04:42 PM
"K-K ~Glass Boobs~" > wrote
> It is obvious that one breast (lefty) is full of milk where as the
> other one (righty) has barely any in it. Lefty leaks on me, and I can feel
> it fill up, Righty... nothing. He only swallows for about 3 mins on
Righty,
> where as lefty he can drink the full 10- 15 mins.
If you have enough milk, another thing you can try is to offer only one
breast at each feeding. DD prefers right and right was getting larger and
larger and the supply in left was getting smaller, so I stopped offering
both breasts at each feeding. Although she eats more often, right only
produces marginally more milk than left now. She quickly learned to use
whichever breast she was offered since she wasn't going to get another shot
at one for a while. It seems to have worked. However, if you don't have
abundant supply, this may not work for you.
--
Melissa (in Los Angeles)
Mum to Elizabeth 4/13/03
Cheryl S.
November 23rd 03, 05:26 PM
Melissa > wrote in message
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> If you have enough milk, another thing you can try is to
> offer only one breast at each feeding. DD prefers right
> and right was getting larger and larger and the supply in
> left was getting smaller, so I stopped offering both breasts
> at each feeding. Although she eats more often, right only
> produces marginally more milk than left now. She quickly
> learned to use whichever breast she was offered since she
> wasn't going to get another shot at one for a while. It seems
> to have worked. However, if you don't have abundant supply,
> this may not work for you.
How old was your DD when you did this? I am suddenly having trouble
with DS refusing my left side, though AFAIK supply was fine on both
sides. How long did it take before she gave up and just took the breast
she was given? That is what DH thinks I should do but I don't want to
leave him go hungry. If she refused your left side did you just not
nurse her until she would take it, or let her have the right side after
some amount of time? If the latter, how much time?
--
Cheryl S.
Mom to Julie, 2 yr., 7 mo.
And Jaden, 2 months
Cleaning the house while your children are small is like
shoveling the sidewalk while it's still snowing.
K-K ~Glass Boobs~
November 23rd 03, 05:26 PM
I bought it not so that I can limit his time, I nursed him and timed how
long it took him in total, added a couple of extra minutes and then devided
them in half, Im trying to even out the time he spends on each breast.
"Cheryl S." > wrote in message
...
> K-K ~Glass Boobs~ > wrote in message
> news:9RQvb.463009$6C4.143847@pd7tw1no...
> > I got an idea, and I hope it works. I bought an egg timer
> > and I set it to 10 mins, I make sure he sucks for equal time
> > on each breast (starting on right) in hopes that things will even
> > out. I'm letting him dry suck on righty for the same amount of
> > time, If he still appears hungry I will set the timer for another
> > 5 minutes and swap breasts again. I start on the empty one
> > so that he draws mouth fulls instead of gently sucking him
> > self to sleep.
>
> I've read your other posts and I know that demand feeding was difficult
> for you but I have to say I still don't get why you need an egg timer to
> tell you when to switch sides or stop him from nursing. When he's done,
> he'll stop nursing, honest. It's very easy that way.
> --
> Cheryl S.
> Mom to Julie, 2 yr., 7 mo.
> And Jaden, 2 months
>
> Cleaning the house while your children are small is like
> shoveling the sidewalk while it's still snowing.
>
>
Cheryl S.
November 23rd 03, 05:36 PM
K-K ~Glass Boobs~ > wrote in message
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> I bought it not so that I can limit his time, I nursed him
> and timed how long it took him in total, added a couple
> of extra minutes and then devided them in half, Im trying
> to even out the time he spends on each breast.
OK, I can understand that. Was he unlatching himself from each side
when you first timed the total? Do you alternate which side you offer
first, at each feeding? Sorry if I'm asking something you've already
answered - my memory is shot from lack of sleep.
--
Cheryl S.
Mom to Julie, 2 yr., 7 mo.
And Jaden, 2 months
Cleaning the house while your children are small is like
shoveling the sidewalk while it's still snowing.
Kyla
November 24th 03, 09:15 AM
De-lurking...this is one of the few things I remember clearly from when my
beans were tiny;o)
I did this, only offering one side at each feeding, to my DD (now 20mos).
Started at about two weeks, and continued until just a couple months ago.
Now she flip flops all through nursing-suck suck SWITCH! suck suck
SWITH!-grr. But one side at a time worked well for us until that dreaded
independence started to kick in;o)
--
Kyla (also in Los Angeles!!)
Mommy to Isaac (3), & Ash (20mo)
http://www.Hippobottomus.com
> If you have enough milk, another thing you can try is to offer only one
> breast at each feeding.
> Melissa (in Los Angeles)
> Mum to Elizabeth 4/13/03
>
>
>
Kyla
November 24th 03, 09:26 AM
(De-lurking...this is one of the few things I remember clearly from when my
beans were tiny;o)
My DS did the same thing your DS is doing, at the same age. I never quite
figured out WHY, & ultimately ended up only nursing on one side (FWIW, *I*
am not permanently lopsided...at least I don't *think* I am...hard to tell
when you are still bf;o). But, what helped for a few months was nursing him
on the "offensive" side in amusing positions. His favorite was him lying on
his back, with me on all fours above him (if your postpartum body is
anything like mine, don't so this in front of a mirror! HA! ;o) This only
worked for a couple months, because then I weaned him (stupid, uneducated
me!) to only bf at night....and I found it difficult to sleep in that
position;o) Oh, and FWIW, we found the gassy/cranky/hungry-sounding fuss
was completely unrelated to his feeding; he had developed an allergy to
disposable diapers. Just one of those *fun* coincidences that come with
parenthood *sigh*
Good luck!:o)
--
Kyla @Hippobottomus.com
mama to Isaac (3), & Ash (20mo)
http://www.Hippobottomus.com
> How old was your DD when you did this? I am suddenly having trouble
> with DS refusing my left side, though AFAIK supply was fine on both
> sides. How long did it take before she gave up and just took the breast
> she was given? That is what DH thinks I should do but I don't want to
> leave him go hungry. If she refused your left side did you just not
> nurse her until she would take it, or let her have the right side after
> some amount of time? If the latter, how much time?
> --
> Cheryl S.
K-K ~Glass Boobs~
November 24th 03, 04:58 PM
this is from the start time to the time where he either fell asleep or
unlatched him self, I timed a few feedings. I always offer the side with
less milk first, Il start to alternate as soon as my milk supply in my right
side is substantially more or until I fill my bras more evenly.
"Cheryl S." > wrote in message
...
> K-K ~Glass Boobs~ > wrote in message
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> > I bought it not so that I can limit his time, I nursed him
> > and timed how long it took him in total, added a couple
> > of extra minutes and then devided them in half, Im trying
> > to even out the time he spends on each breast.
>
> OK, I can understand that. Was he unlatching himself from each side
> when you first timed the total? Do you alternate which side you offer
> first, at each feeding? Sorry if I'm asking something you've already
> answered - my memory is shot from lack of sleep.
> --
> Cheryl S.
> Mom to Julie, 2 yr., 7 mo.
> And Jaden, 2 months
>
> Cleaning the house while your children are small is like
> shoveling the sidewalk while it's still snowing.
>
>
K-K ~Glass Boobs~
November 24th 03, 05:14 PM
I don't think I would have done this if it was a small difference, I have
always had one breast slightly smaller and it never bothered me. but now I
fill up one side of my bra, and the other side looks like a Christmas orange
in a sack. well not so saggy but my bra is all wrinkly and it is obvious
even with clothes on. Its quite embarrassing and is hard on the self esteem.
"Kyla" > wrote in message
. com...
> De-lurking...this is one of the few things I remember clearly from when my
> beans were tiny;o)
>
> I did this, only offering one side at each feeding, to my DD (now 20mos).
> Started at about two weeks, and continued until just a couple months ago.
> Now she flip flops all through nursing-suck suck SWITCH! suck suck
> SWITH!-grr. But one side at a time worked well for us until that dreaded
> independence started to kick in;o)
>
> --
> Kyla (also in Los Angeles!!)
> Mommy to Isaac (3), & Ash (20mo)
> http://www.Hippobottomus.com
>
>
> > If you have enough milk, another thing you can try is to offer only one
> > breast at each feeding.
>
> > Melissa (in Los Angeles)
> > Mum to Elizabeth 4/13/03
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Rachel
November 24th 03, 08:22 PM
"Kyla" > wrote in message >...
>Oh, and FWIW, we found the gassy/cranky/hungry-sounding fuss
> was completely unrelated to his feeding; he had developed an allergy to
> disposable diapers.
Kyla, out of curiousity how did you detect this? I've never heard of
this (which is not to say I don't think it exists, just that I want to
learn more).
Rachel
K-K ~Glass Boobs~
November 24th 03, 08:43 PM
I would think its all the chemicals in the polymers and synthetics used.
(not that I know or anything, It makes sense to me)
"Rachel" > wrote in message
om...
> "Kyla" > wrote in message
>...
> >Oh, and FWIW, we found the gassy/cranky/hungry-sounding fuss
> > was completely unrelated to his feeding; he had developed an allergy to
> > disposable diapers.
>
> Kyla, out of curiousity how did you detect this? I've never heard of
> this (which is not to say I don't think it exists, just that I want to
> learn more).
>
> Rachel
Michelle J. Haines
November 25th 03, 12:28 AM
In article >,
says...
> "Kyla" > wrote in message >...
> >Oh, and FWIW, we found the gassy/cranky/hungry-sounding fuss
> > was completely unrelated to his feeding; he had developed an allergy to
> > disposable diapers.
>
> Kyla, out of curiousity how did you detect this? I've never heard of
> this (which is not to say I don't think it exists, just that I want to
> learn more).
We've had one allergic to disposable diapers, too, and one with a
sensitivity to them that we didn't recognize for a long time.
Basically, Gareth had a bleeding diaper rash before we ever left the
hospital with him, although we didn't know why. We had some cloth
diapers we had planned to use in the first place, and were switching
back and forth to use up the diapers we had left over from Xander. I
began to notice that his rash seemed to get better while in the
cloth, then worsen again when I would put disposables on him. So
twice, just to make sure, I let his rash clear up entirely to not a
trace of pink with the cloth, then would put one disposable on him
and at the next diaper change find him bright red everywhere the
diaper covered.
Michelle
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K-K ~Glass Boobs~
November 25th 03, 01:09 AM
Where is the latex in the diaper? I would think It would be against FDA
regulations to use on a baby something with deadly reactions if allergic to.
"Phoebe & Allyson" > wrote in message
...
> Rachel wrote:
>
> > "Kyla" > wrote in message
>...
> >
> >>Oh, and FWIW, we found the gassy/cranky/hungry-sounding fuss
> >>was completely unrelated to his feeding; he had developed an allergy to
> >>disposable diapers.
> >
> > Kyla, out of curiousity how did you detect this? I've never heard of
> > this (which is not to say I don't think it exists, just that I want to
> > learn more).
>
> I know nothing about diaper-related allergies, but there are
> some babies who are allergic to latex (and you can buy
> latex-free disposables) and some who just do better in cloth
> (less rash, etc.) for whatever reason.
>
> Phoebe *glad not to have that problem* :)
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Phoebe & Allyson
November 25th 03, 02:54 AM
K-K ~Glass Boobs~ wrote:
> Where is the latex in the diaper?
No idea, but the latex-free diapers were horrible.
Phoebe :)
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Dawn Lawson
November 25th 03, 03:02 AM
K-K ~Glass Boobs~ wrote:
> Where is the latex in the diaper? I would think It would be against FDA
> regulations to use on a baby something with deadly reactions if allergic to.
??
Latex is all over the place...bandaids, soothers, bottle nipples,
surgical gloves... Hardly against FDA.
Impossible to regulate against allergens, imo. Latex is certainly not
the only potentially deadly allergen found in baby products, or products
routinely used on babies, nor the only possibly fatal ingredient.
Some hospitals have chosen to go latex free, but it's internal legislation.
Dawn
Kyla
November 25th 03, 11:05 AM
Yep, this is exactly how Isaac was. He get huge bleeding open wounds all
over his poor little bottom:o( It was so sad; made me wanna cry everytime I
had to change him (he was naked most of his first year...) My brother was
allergic to disposable diapers, too, so I guess it runs in the family.
There are TONS of chemicals in disposables. This isn't a diapering board,
or else I could really get into it;o) I completely do not bash
disposie-using parents; my kids are in them about half the time, anyway, due
to my laziness (ever haul two loads of dirty diapers, plus two kids under
age 4, down stairs four stories to the laundry room??). But: the chemical
in tampons that causes all those TSS warnings, and such, and has very close
regulations, is found in massively higher amounts in disposable diapers.
The chemical is called dioxin, a byproduct of bleaching paper, and is the
most carcinogenic (cancer-causing) chemical we know of today. And:
breathing the outgassing of disposies has been directly linked to higher
risk of asthma in infants and small children.
Here's a great page with TONS of links to articles about cloth diapers vs.
disposable diapers: http://www.borntolove.com/d-list1s.shtml
--
Kyla
"Michelle J. Haines" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
> > "Kyla" > wrote in message
>...
> > >Oh, and FWIW, we found the gassy/cranky/hungry-sounding fuss
> > > was completely unrelated to his feeding; he had developed an allergy
to
> > > disposable diapers.
> >
> > Kyla, out of curiousity how did you detect this? I've never heard of
> > this (which is not to say I don't think it exists, just that I want to
> > learn more).
>
> We've had one allergic to disposable diapers, too, and one with a
> sensitivity to them that we didn't recognize for a long time.
>
> Basically, Gareth had a bleeding diaper rash before we ever left the
> hospital with him, although we didn't know why. We had some cloth
> diapers we had planned to use in the first place, and were switching
> back and forth to use up the diapers we had left over from Xander. I
> began to notice that his rash seemed to get better while in the
> cloth, then worsen again when I would put disposables on him. So
> twice, just to make sure, I let his rash clear up entirely to not a
> trace of pink with the cloth, then would put one disposable on him
> and at the next diaper change find him bright red everywhere the
> diaper covered.
>
> Michelle
K-K ~Glass Boobs~
November 25th 03, 03:45 PM
HA HA HA HA, I totally forgot about bottle nipples and soothers! DUH im an
idiot!
"Dawn Lawson" > wrote in message
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>
>
> K-K ~Glass Boobs~ wrote:
> > Where is the latex in the diaper? I would think It would be against FDA
> > regulations to use on a baby something with deadly reactions if allergic
to.
>
> ??
> Latex is all over the place...bandaids, soothers, bottle nipples,
> surgical gloves... Hardly against FDA.
> Impossible to regulate against allergens, imo. Latex is certainly not
> the only potentially deadly allergen found in baby products, or products
> routinely used on babies, nor the only possibly fatal ingredient.
> Some hospitals have chosen to go latex free, but it's internal
legislation.
>
>
> Dawn
>
lynn
November 25th 03, 07:14 PM
In article <90rwb.484000$6C4.265054@pd7tw1no>,
"K-K ~Glass Boobs~" > wrote:
> I don't think I would have done this if it was a small difference, I have
> always had one breast slightly smaller and it never bothered me. but now I
> fill up one side of my bra, and the other side looks like a Christmas orange
> in a sack. well not so saggy but my bra is all wrinkly and it is obvious
> even with clothes on. Its quite embarrassing and is hard on the self esteem.
Ha! I like you, K-K! You're very descriptive.
Maybe you can help your self-esteem by looking at your baby and saying -
MY body did this! My milk did this! That always wowed me.
I had a similar problem with lopsided breasts, and did what you're
doing, nursing on the small side first more frequently. It may have
helped some. I think part of the problem was that I was more comfortable
holding DS to the larger breast, because it freed up my dominant arm, so
I favored the larger one without realizing it.
Anyway, DS always seemed to get milk out of the smaller one. Though when
I pumped, I would always get almost twice as much milk from the big
breast. Oh well. I hoped it was just that the pump fit it better. Who
knows.
Hopefully, it'll all even out for you. My difference isn't noticable,
thank goodness, at least not with clothes on :-)
- Lynn
K-K ~Glass Boobs~
November 26th 03, 05:33 PM
It seems to be working, from 3 minutes of sucking to 7 and my bra is not
saggy any more but I can definitely still feel a difference and see it in
the mirror when I'm nekkie. A few more days of this and I should be able to
alternate breasts! WOO HOO!
"lynn" > wrote in message
...
> In article <90rwb.484000$6C4.265054@pd7tw1no>,
> "K-K ~Glass Boobs~" > wrote:
>
> > I don't think I would have done this if it was a small difference, I
have
> > always had one breast slightly smaller and it never bothered me. but now
I
> > fill up one side of my bra, and the other side looks like a Christmas
orange
> > in a sack. well not so saggy but my bra is all wrinkly and it is obvious
> > even with clothes on. Its quite embarrassing and is hard on the self
esteem.
>
> Ha! I like you, K-K! You're very descriptive.
>
> Maybe you can help your self-esteem by looking at your baby and saying -
> MY body did this! My milk did this! That always wowed me.
>
> I had a similar problem with lopsided breasts, and did what you're
> doing, nursing on the small side first more frequently. It may have
> helped some. I think part of the problem was that I was more comfortable
> holding DS to the larger breast, because it freed up my dominant arm, so
> I favored the larger one without realizing it.
>
> Anyway, DS always seemed to get milk out of the smaller one. Though when
> I pumped, I would always get almost twice as much milk from the big
> breast. Oh well. I hoped it was just that the pump fit it better. Who
> knows.
>
> Hopefully, it'll all even out for you. My difference isn't noticable,
> thank goodness, at least not with clothes on :-)
>
> - Lynn
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