when is he done? HELP!!!

[K-K ~Glass Boobs~]

I still have a problem with my DS, I nurse one side and switch. how do I
know when he is done? He will not let go! for five mins, some times less I
feel full and hear allot of sucking and then it gradually slows to a
fluttering tongue and one suck every 30 to 60 seconds some times with a
swallow. I read that when his tongue starts the flutter is when he is at the
hindmilk... How long to I let him have the hindmilk on the first side. He
had nursed like that on one side for 45 mins once because some one told me
that it is necessary to let him go until he lets go. well after 45 minutes
and a nipple that looked like a raspberry I unlatched him ans switched
sides.

HELP!

[CY]

Just my 2c but if your nipple is looking like a raspberry you may not be
latching completely right. The general rule of thumb is to let him nurse
until he's done (ie he unlatche himself). Some babies just like to suckle
for a long time, especially if it's been a while since the last nursing.
You could also try only nursing on one side, then do the other breast for
the next feed....
"K-K ~Glass Boobs~" > wrote in message
news:Aj5Bb.612597$9l5.10439@pd7tw2no...
> I still have a problem with my DS, I nurse one side and switch. how do I
> know when he is done? He will not let go! for five mins, some times less I
> feel full and hear allot of sucking and then it gradually slows to a
> fluttering tongue and one suck every 30 to 60 seconds some times with a
> swallow. I read that when his tongue starts the flutter is when he is at
the
> hindmilk... How long to I let him have the hindmilk on the first side. He
> had nursed like that on one side for 45 mins once because some one told me
> that it is necessary to let him go until he lets go. well after 45 minutes
> and a nipple that looked like a raspberry I unlatched him ans switched
> sides.
>
> HELP!
>
>

[Anne Rogers]

definitely best to let them unlatch themselves, but if you really need to
stop, insert a finger and pop him off, when I want to stop, but ds is
still on, if he stops sucking I count slowly to 10 and if he hasn't
started again I pop him off, this is usually after 20 mins to half an
hour, most of the time I let him finish himself off to ensure he does get
all he needs.

[K-K ~Glass Boobs~]

well he never lets go... even if he falls asleep, I just get a gentle
constant suction and tongue fluttering. and I exaggerated when I said
raspberry, but it was sore from letting him go. I have to pop him off my
self but want to make sure he's getting enough foremilk. He does this every
time, and not just if its been a while between feedings.


"K-K ~Glass Boobs~" > wrote in message
news:Aj5Bb.612597$9l5.10439@pd7tw2no...
> I still have a problem with my DS, I nurse one side and switch. how do I
> know when he is done? He will not let go! for five mins, some times less I
> feel full and hear allot of sucking and then it gradually slows to a
> fluttering tongue and one suck every 30 to 60 seconds some times with a
> swallow. I read that when his tongue starts the flutter is when he is at
the
> hindmilk... How long to I let him have the hindmilk on the first side. He
> had nursed like that on one side for 45 mins once because some one told me
> that it is necessary to let him go until he lets go. well after 45 minutes
> and a nipple that looked like a raspberry I unlatched him ans switched
> sides.
>
> HELP!
>
>

[K-K ~Glass Boobs~]

I might also mention that He does use a soother too (he's colic).
I don't intend to stop giving him a soother. that's why I'm looking more
along the lines of signs he's done drinking and signs he's soothing.


"K-K ~Glass Boobs~" > wrote in message
news:Aj5Bb.612597$9l5.10439@pd7tw2no...
> I still have a problem with my DS, I nurse one side and switch. how do I
> know when he is done? He will not let go! for five mins, some times less I
> feel full and hear allot of sucking and then it gradually slows to a
> fluttering tongue and one suck every 30 to 60 seconds some times with a
> swallow. I read that when his tongue starts the flutter is when he is at
the
> hindmilk... How long to I let him have the hindmilk on the first side. He
> had nursed like that on one side for 45 mins once because some one told me
> that it is necessary to let him go until he lets go. well after 45 minutes
> and a nipple that looked like a raspberry I unlatched him ans switched
> sides.
>
> HELP!
>
>

[HollyLewis]

>well he never lets go... even if he falls asleep, I just get a gentle
>constant suction and tongue fluttering. and I exaggerated when I said
>raspberry, but it was sore from letting him go. I have to pop him off my
>self but want to make sure he's
>getting enough foremilk. He does this every
>time, and not just if its been a while between feedings.

Mine never let go on his own either. (Still doesn't always.) Generally I'd
take him off after he seemed to be asleep. :-) If he protested, I'd let him
re-latch, but if not I figured he was done. It took a little experimentation,
but eventually I got pretty good at gauging the timing.

Plenty of times I just let him stay latched on because I wasn't doing anything
I couldn't do while he nursed anyway. I only took him off if I needed to move
around for some reason or my nipple was starting to feel irritated. Long
feedings (45 minutes to an hour at first, 30 to 45 after 3 or 4 months) weren't
usually much of an issue for me because he spaced them relatively far apart (3
hours from the first week, stretching some intervals to 4 hours at about 4.5
months).

Holly
Mom to Camden, 2.5 yrs
EDD #2 6/8/04

[KC]

I never followed that let em unlatch themselves rule because I had low
supply at first and I did switch nursing instead to build supply.
Every time the swallowing stopped I would switch sides and the
swallowing would start again.

Now that my supply is well established I do let my baby keep suckling
after the milk has stopped. Then, she'll either pop off or fall
asleep. Or, if she keeps trying to suck too vehemently and too long I
will switch breasts because she is obviously still hungry.

Switch nursing builds supply and nursing off of only one breast for
many hours reduces supply. If you are not trying to build or reduce
supply then it's good to just let baby come off when they want.

KC

"K-K ~Glass Boobs~" > wrote in message news:<Aj5Bb.612597$9l5.10439@pd7tw2no>...
> I still have a problem with my DS, I nurse one side and switch. how do I
> know when he is done? He will not let go! for five mins, some times less I
> feel full and hear allot of sucking and then it gradually slows to a
> fluttering tongue and one suck every 30 to 60 seconds some times with a
> swallow. I read that when his tongue starts the flutter is when he is at the
> hindmilk... How long to I let him have the hindmilk on the first side. He
> had nursed like that on one side for 45 mins once because some one told me
> that it is necessary to let him go until he lets go. well after 45 minutes
> and a nipple that looked like a raspberry I unlatched him ans switched
> sides.
>
> HELP!

[AskeyKO]

>well he never lets go... even if he falls asleep, I just get a gentle
>constant suction and tongue fluttering. and I exaggerated when I said
>raspberry, but it was sore from letting him go. I have to pop him off my
>self but want to make sure he's getting enough foremilk. He does this every
>time, and not just if its been a while between feedings.
>
My first son was exactly like this. Nearly all of his feedings took 45
minutes, even when he was feeding every 2 hours. When he was 18 mo old, I
could still count on my one hand the number of times he unlatched himself! I
always had to unlatch him! But at least by that time the feedings were
shorter.

He loves being at your breast--nothing wrong with that. He loves your milk.
GOod for you! If you think of it positively, then it will get better. Just
make sure that when you pop him off, you break the suction first with your
finger or you will get sore. Also, make sure he stays latched properly. If he
starts to slip down and only nurse the nipple, that will lead to much
discomfort for you.

Oh, and one other trick--when I knew DS was comfort nursing, sometimes I'd give
my breast a couple of squeezes to make more milk come out. Sometimes he'd
unlatch himself b/c he wasn't really looking for milk, just comfort.

[Michelle Podnar]

That last suggestion is a great one. I have used it a few times myself with
my gormet feeding (took forever to feed her, and she always wanted more, but
never sucked vigoursly...suck suck rest, suck suck rest!! LOL)



--
Michelle P
Ava Marie July 14, 2002
"AskeyKO" -uh> wrote in message
...
> >well he never lets go... even if he falls asleep, I just get a gentle
> >constant suction and tongue fluttering. and I exaggerated when I said
> >raspberry, but it was sore from letting him go. I have to pop him off my
> >self but want to make sure he's getting enough foremilk. He does this
every
> >time, and not just if its been a while between feedings.
> >
> My first son was exactly like this. Nearly all of his feedings took 45
> minutes, even when he was feeding every 2 hours. When he was 18 mo old, I
> could still count on my one hand the number of times he unlatched himself!
I
> always had to unlatch him! But at least by that time the feedings were
> shorter.
>
> He loves being at your breast--nothing wrong with that. He loves your
milk.
> GOod for you! If you think of it positively, then it will get better.
Just
> make sure that when you pop him off, you break the suction first with your
> finger or you will get sore. Also, make sure he stays latched properly.
If he
> starts to slip down and only nurse the nipple, that will lead to much
> discomfort for you.
>
> Oh, and one other trick--when I knew DS was comfort nursing, sometimes I'd
give
> my breast a couple of squeezes to make more milk come out. Sometimes he'd
> unlatch himself b/c he wasn't really looking for milk, just comfort.
>
>

[teapot]

Anne Rogers > wrote in message >...
> definitely best to let them unlatch themselves, but if you really need to
> stop, insert a finger and pop him off, when I want to stop, but ds is
> still on, if he stops sucking I count slowly to 10 and if he hasn't
> started again I pop him off, this is usually after 20 mins to half an
> hour, most of the time I let him finish himself off to ensure he does get
> all he needs.

If you hold a finger under their chin when you pop them off it seems
to help stop them getting all frantic, doesnt work everytime but since
I have been doing this the Moo boy has been unlatching himself when he
has finished, took 6 months however :-) You can also try letting them
keep a hand on your boob to maintain contact. I think the fluttering
stage is when they have really stopped feeding but like the comfort of
the boob. There is a difference with The Moo between the
every-now-and-then suck of hind milk and the fluttery sleepy stage. I
wait 10 to 20 seconds before de latching and wait until he gets really
gentle and it tickles me.

teapot and the Moo

[Chookie]

In article <Aj5Bb.612597$9l5.10439@pd7tw2no>, "K-K ~Glass Boobs~" >
wrote:

> I still have a problem with my DS, I nurse one side and switch. how do I
> know when he is done?

If you try to take him off and he protests, he's not finished :-)

Don't worry about hindmilk and foremilk unless your baby is plainly
uncomfortable, farty and/or has green frothy poos.

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
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