On Christian arguments for spanking

[sal]

In considering corporal punishment of children, and in particular in
considering spanking of children, an issue that often comes up is the
religious basis for it. Frequently, certain verses from Proverbs are
used to justify spanking.

But what would Jesus have said about spanking, or any means of
inflicting pain on children? Recent discussions in this group have
touched on this question.

My wife and I think the answer's pretty clear, and we've recently put
our thoughts on the Web, at

http://parentinginjesusfootsteps.org

Please come by and check it out. We also have an online petition
opposing corporal punishment of children, at

http://parentinginjesusfootsteps.org/petition.html

-- Steve Lawrence

(If you want to contact me directly, just use the email address in the
message header, but insert "foobox" in place of "no-spam". Or, better
yet, go to our website and drop us a line via the Contact Us button.)

[Papaioannou]

If thou art against spanking and use Jesus thou art twisting Scripture this
is called heresy. I will be praying for thee!


? "sal" > ?????? ??? ??????
...
> In considering corporal punishment of children, and in particular in
> considering spanking of children, an issue that often comes up is the
> religious basis for it. Frequently, certain verses from Proverbs are
> used to justify spanking.
>
> But what would Jesus have said about spanking, or any means of
> inflicting pain on children? Recent discussions in this group have
> touched on this question.
>
> My wife and I think the answer's pretty clear, and we've recently put
> our thoughts on the Web, at
>
> http://parentinginjesusfootsteps.org
>
> Please come by and check it out. We also have an online petition
> opposing corporal punishment of children, at
>
> http://parentinginjesusfootsteps.org/petition.html
>
> -- Steve Lawrence
>
> (If you want to contact me directly, just use the email address in the
> message header, but insert "foobox" in place of "no-spam". Or, better
> yet, go to our website and drop us a line via the Contact Us button.)
>

[Papaioannou]

I meant the truth IS here:
http://committed.to/bctam

Ï "Papaioannou" > Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
.. .
> The truth us here:
> http://committed.to/bctam
>
> Ï "Papaioannou" > Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
> .. .
> > If thou art against spanking and use Jesus thou art twisting Scripture
> this
> > is called heresy. I will be praying for thee!
> >
> >
> > ? "sal" > ?????? ??? ??????
> > ...
> > > In considering corporal punishment of children, and in particular in
> > > considering spanking of children, an issue that often comes up is the
> > > religious basis for it. Frequently, certain verses from Proverbs are
> > > used to justify spanking.
> > >
> > > But what would Jesus have said about spanking, or any means of
> > > inflicting pain on children? Recent discussions in this group have
> > > touched on this question.
> > >
> > > My wife and I think the answer's pretty clear, and we've recently put
> > > our thoughts on the Web, at
> > >
> > > http://parentinginjesusfootsteps.org
> > >
> > > Please come by and check it out. We also have an online petition
> > > opposing corporal punishment of children, at
> > >
> > > http://parentinginjesusfootsteps.org/petition.html
> > >
> > > -- Steve Lawrence
> > >
> > > (If you want to contact me directly, just use the email address in the
> > > message header, but insert "foobox" in place of "no-spam". Or, better
> > > yet, go to our website and drop us a line via the Contact Us button.)
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Papaioannou]

The truth us here:
http://committed.to/bctam

Ï "Papaioannou" > Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
.. .
> If thou art against spanking and use Jesus thou art twisting Scripture
this
> is called heresy. I will be praying for thee!
>
>
> ? "sal" > ?????? ??? ??????
> ...
> > In considering corporal punishment of children, and in particular in
> > considering spanking of children, an issue that often comes up is the
> > religious basis for it. Frequently, certain verses from Proverbs are
> > used to justify spanking.
> >
> > But what would Jesus have said about spanking, or any means of
> > inflicting pain on children? Recent discussions in this group have
> > touched on this question.
> >
> > My wife and I think the answer's pretty clear, and we've recently put
> > our thoughts on the Web, at
> >
> > http://parentinginjesusfootsteps.org
> >
> > Please come by and check it out. We also have an online petition
> > opposing corporal punishment of children, at
> >
> > http://parentinginjesusfootsteps.org/petition.html
> >
> > -- Steve Lawrence
> >
> > (If you want to contact me directly, just use the email address in the
> > message header, but insert "foobox" in place of "no-spam". Or, better
> > yet, go to our website and drop us a line via the Contact Us button.)
> >
>
>

[sal]

Papaioannou wrote:
> The truth is here:
> http://committed.to/bctam

I took a look at the site. It seems a tad thin -- a few ad banners and
some assertions, and that's all. And a few biblical references; the
only from the NT having to do with corporal punishment seems to be that
Hebrews quote, though. Did I miss something? And I didn't see any of
the references to Jesus holding up children as examples or warning
people not to offend them ... did YOU miss something??

Perhaps you should come by our site, and perhaps you should rethink some
things.

On the plus side, I can't fault your interpretation of Jesus on divorce.
His position on that may not always be practical but it's certainly clear.

--
Steve Lawrence http://parentinginjesusfootsteps.org
Email me at foobox ... the rest of the address is in the message header

[Papaioannou]

Thee did miss something from my web site:
This:
"We are against abuse and believe that anyone who harms a child would have
been better never to be born (Mat.18:6)."
Didn't thee see the above?????
Also my study on the New Testament is sent to this newsgroup. I am very
happy we agree on divorce. God Bless!


? "sal" > ?????? ??? ??????
...
>
>
> Papaioannou wrote:
> > The truth is here:
> > http://committed.to/bctam
>
> I took a look at the site. It seems a tad thin -- a few ad banners and
> some assertions, and that's all. And a few biblical references; the
> only from the NT having to do with corporal punishment seems to be that
> Hebrews quote, though. Did I miss something? And I didn't see any of
> the references to Jesus holding up children as examples or warning
> people not to offend them ... did YOU miss something??
>
> Perhaps you should come by our site, and perhaps you should rethink some
> things.
>
> On the plus side, I can't fault your interpretation of Jesus on divorce.
> His position on that may not always be practical but it's certainly
clear.
>
> --
> Steve Lawrence http://parentinginjesusfootsteps.org
> Email me at foobox ... the rest of the address is in the message header
>

[Spider Eyes]

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sal > wrote...

> In considering corporal punishment of children, and in particular in
> considering spanking of children, an issue that often comes up is the
> religious basis for it. Frequently, certain verses from Proverbs are
> used to justify spanking.

rod in pro-pro
Hits 1-9 of 9

Pr 10:13
Pr 13:24
Pr 14:3
Pr 22:8
Pr 22:15
Pr 23:13
Pr 23:14
Pr 26:3
Pr 29:15

Yes and if you did not notice, Jesus quoted from the OT often.

>
> But what would Jesus have said about spanking, or any means of
> inflicting pain on children? Recent discussions in this group have
> touched on this question.

No you are mistaken. Jesus used the OT all the time and would not contradict
himself.

>
> My wife and I think the answer's pretty clear, and we've recently put
> our thoughts on the Web, at
>
> http://parentinginjesusfootsteps.org

Why do you post blashphamey?

>
> Please come by and check it out. We also have an online petition
> opposing corporal punishment of children, at
>
> http://parentinginjesusfootsteps.org/petition.html

Blashphamey!!!!

>
> -- Steve Lawrence
>
> (If you want to contact me directly, just use the email address in the
> message header, but insert "foobox" in place of "no-spam". Or, better
> yet, go to our website and drop us a line via the Contact Us button.)
>

[Spider Eyes]

rod in pro-pro
Hits 1-9 of 9

Pr 10:13 Wisdom is
found on the lips of
the discerning,
but a

rod

is for the back of him who lacks judgment.

Pr 13:24 He who
spares the rod
hates his son,
but he who loves him is careful to discipline him.

Pr 14:3 A fool's talk
brings a rod to his
back,
but the lips of the wise protect them.

Pr 22:8 He who sows
wickedness reaps
trouble,
and the

rod

of his fury will be destroyed.

Pr 22:15 Folly is
bound up in the heart
of a child,
but the

rod

of discipline will drive it far from him.

Pr 23:13 Do not
withhold discipline
from a child;
if
you punish him with the

rod
,
he will not die.

Pr 23:14 Punish him
with the rod
and save his soul from death.

Pr 26:3 A whip for
the horse, a halter for
the donkey,
and a

rod

for the backs of fools!

Pr 29:15 The rod
of correction imparts
wisdom,
but a child left to himself disgraces his mother.



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sal > wrote...

> In considering corporal punishment of children, and in particular in
> considering spanking of children, an issue that often comes up is the
> religious basis for it. Frequently, certain verses from Proverbs are
> used to justify spanking.
>
> But what would Jesus have said about spanking, or any means of
> inflicting pain on children? Recent discussions in this group have
> touched on this question.
>
> My wife and I think the answer's pretty clear, and we've recently put
> our thoughts on the Web, at
>
> http://parentinginjesusfootsteps.org
>
> Please come by and check it out. We also have an online petition
> opposing corporal punishment of children, at
>
> http://parentinginjesusfootsteps.org/petition.html
>
> -- Steve Lawrence
>
> (If you want to contact me directly, just use the email address in the
> message header, but insert "foobox" in place of "no-spam". Or, better
> yet, go to our website and drop us a line via the Contact Us button.)
>

[LaVonne Carlson]

These are wonderful websites. Jesus never advocated spanking or
inflicting pain and humiliation on children. I also think the answer's
pretty clear. Proverbs is often used to justify spanking, but
individuals who use Proverbs for justification rarely apply or even
advocate the rest of the OT for application to their personal life.

LaVonne

sal wrote:

> In considering corporal punishment of children, and in particular in
> considering spanking of children, an issue that often comes up is the
> religious basis for it. Frequently, certain verses from Proverbs are
> used to justify spanking.
>
> But what would Jesus have said about spanking, or any means of
> inflicting pain on children? Recent discussions in this group have
> touched on this question.
>
> My wife and I think the answer's pretty clear, and we've recently put
> our thoughts on the Web, at
>
> http://parentinginjesusfootsteps.org
>
> Please come by and check it out. We also have an online petition
> opposing corporal punishment of children, at
>
> http://parentinginjesusfootsteps.org/petition.html
>
> -- Steve Lawrence
>
> (If you want to contact me directly, just use the email address in the
> message header, but insert "foobox" in place of "no-spam". Or, better
> yet, go to our website and drop us a line via the Contact Us button.)