Re: Homeschooling for free?

[blacksalt]

COcon28932 wrote:
>
> If anyone knows of a school online or correspondence courses that are free,
> please write. There is very little money, and our town does not really have
> anything for this! We do have a high school online here, but my daughter is too
> young for that.

I'd search google. I don't remember the site, or even what I was
searching for (though I suspect it had something to do with phonetics or
helping dyslexic children very early) and I came upon a free site with
downloadable lessons. I think I've seen more than one. If I can find
them, so can you.
blacksalt

[Joni Rathbun]

On 19 Jul 2003, COcon28932 wrote:

> If anyone knows of a school online or correspondence courses that are free,
> please write. There is very little money, and our town does not really have
> anything for this! We do have a high school online here, but my daughter is too
> young for that.

Do you have a library? Check there for other homeschoolers. Otherwise, if
homeschooling simply means correspondence courses to you, I urge you to
consider sending your child to the nearest public school.

[Ali's Daddie]

"Candio" > wrote in message
s.com...
| On 18 Jul 2003, Joni Rathbun > wrote in
| :
|
| >
| > On 19 Jul 2003, COcon28932 wrote:
| >
| >> If anyone knows of a school online or correspondence courses that are
| >> free, please write. There is very little money, and our town does not
| >> really have anything for this! We do have a high school online here,
| >> but my daughter is too young for that.
| >
| > Do you have a library? Check there for other homeschoolers. Otherwise,
| > if homeschooling simply means correspondence courses to you, I urge
| > you to consider sending your child to the nearest public school.
|
| Homeschooling is for fundie morons who don't want their children to
develop
| social skills or independent thought. Public schools are there. Use them.

That is the old home school stigma. Newer homeschooling is more along the
lines of a parent owned private school...

Plus the education is better ;-)

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[Joni Rathbun]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Ali's Daddie wrote:

>
> "Candio" > wrote in message
> s.com...
> | On 18 Jul 2003, Joni Rathbun > wrote in
> | :
> |
> | >
> | > On 19 Jul 2003, COcon28932 wrote:
> | >
> | >> If anyone knows of a school online or correspondence courses that are
> | >> free, please write. There is very little money, and our town does not
> | >> really have anything for this! We do have a high school online here,
> | >> but my daughter is too young for that.
> | >
> | > Do you have a library? Check there for other homeschoolers. Otherwise,
> | > if homeschooling simply means correspondence courses to you, I urge
> | > you to consider sending your child to the nearest public school.
> |
> | Homeschooling is for fundie morons who don't want their children to
> develop
> | social skills or independent thought. Public schools are there. Use them.
>
> That is the old home school stigma. Newer homeschooling is more along the
> lines of a parent owned private school...
>
> Plus the education is better ;-)

I'm a strong supporter of homeschooling and I know that socialization
and independent thought aren't really issues, not the way the other
posters wants them to be. It should also be noted that religion is
no longer the #1 motivator among homeschooling families. Things
have changed a lot.

And yes, homeschooling CAN be better. Homeschooling SHOULD be
better all things considered.

But not all homeschooling is better - and nothing in the original
poster's post gave me much confidence about the situation there.
Of course, I'm being judgemental via a newsgroup without all the facts.
If the local school is worse than a series of correspondence courses,
then perhaps the correspondence courses are the way to go.

[CBI]

"Ali's Daddie" > wrote in message
...
>
> That is the old home school stigma. Newer homeschooling is more along the
> lines of a parent owned private school...
>

The last couple of parents who have discussed how they were "homeschooling"
their kids with me have described something that was not all that different
than a smaller version of regular old school.

I'm starting to realize that in some cases "homeschool" is just a small,
private, unregulated school.

--
CBI

[Joni Rathbun]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, CBI wrote:

>
> "Ali's Daddie" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > That is the old home school stigma. Newer homeschooling is more along the
> > lines of a parent owned private school...
> >
>
> The last couple of parents who have discussed how they were "homeschooling"
> their kids with me have described something that was not all that different
> than a smaller version of regular old school.
>
> I'm starting to realize that in some cases "homeschool" is just a small,
> private, unregulated school.

In many cases that's exactly what it is. I've seen a lot of drill and
practice (in and of itself not a bad thing) and a lot of worksheets
and canned curricula. Some people are happy with that and that's
okay by me because I believe parents should be allowed to make
these decisions. Tho when I homeschooled, I did it precisly to
get away from that kind of instructional method....

[Marie]

Joni Rathbun wrote in message ...
>In many cases that's exactly what it is. I've seen a lot of drill and
>practice (in and of itself not a bad thing) and a lot of worksheets
>and canned curricula. Some people are happy with that and that's
>okay by me because I believe parents should be allowed to make
>these decisions. Tho when I homeschooled, I did it precisly to
>get away from that kind of instructional method....


To each their own, but I don't see the point of homeschooling when a "canned
curriculum" is being used. Many families homeschool through the school
district here (which is one of three options) and that means the district
decides what textbooks are to be used, and all the rules involved make it
almost pointless to homeschool.
I agree though, parents should be allowed to make that decision.
Marie

[llama mama]

Candio > wrote in
s.com:

> On 18 Jul 2003, Joni Rathbun > wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> On 19 Jul 2003, COcon28932 wrote:
>>
>>> If anyone knows of a school online or correspondence courses that
>>> are free, please write. There is very little money, and our town
>>> does not really have anything for this! We do have a high school
>>> online here, but my daughter is too young for that.
>>
>> Do you have a library? Check there for other homeschoolers.
>> Otherwise, if homeschooling simply means correspondence courses to
>> you, I urge you to consider sending your child to the nearest public
>> school.
>
> Homeschooling is for fundie morons who don't want their children to
> develop social skills or independent thought. Public schools are
> there. Use them.

public schools are for people who don't want thier kids to develop
independant thought or learn how to deal with anyone not in thier
specific age group :) public schools are just big daycare centers for the
most part.

lee
--
It is paradoxical that many educators and parents still differentiate
between a time for learning and a time for play without seeing the vital
connection between them. -Leo Buscaglia, author (1924-1998)

[llama mama]

"Marie" > wrote in
:

> llama mama wrote in message ...
>> public schools are for people who don't want thier kids to develop
>>independant thought or learn how to deal with anyone not in thier
>>specific age group :) public schools are just big daycare centers for
>>the most part.
>
>
> *Now* you've done it!!

i dunno... we'll see. i don't think that troll has much to offer,
debate wise <g> personally, i have no problem with public schools, just
with the overwhelming bureaucracy & horrible teacher salaries. IOW, the
idea is wonderful, but in my area at least, the implementation sucks...
so i'll be homeschooling. my other reason for homeschooling is that
i'm 48 with a 3 year old. i want to travel & that gives me both a
reason to homeschool & a neat way to see the world through the eyes of
a child <g>. i suspect he'll be way better off when he graduates than
any public school kid.

lee <who agrees that trying to homeschool for free sounds suspect
though> --
It is paradoxical that many educators and parents still differentiate
between a time for learning and a time for play without seeing the vital
connection between them. -Leo Buscaglia, author (1924-1998)

[Marion Baumgarten]

Ali's Daddie > wrote:


>
> That is the old home school stigma. Newer homeschooling is more along the
> lines of a parent owned private school...
>
> Plus the education is better ;-)

I think this is way too broad a statement- home school education varies
just as private school education. Particularly now that my daughter is
goind into high school, I can state that the education she and my son
have received in the public schools is better than what we could have
provided at home.

Marion Baumgarten

[Ali's Daddie]

"llama mama" > wrote in message
. ..
| "Ali's Daddie" > wrote in
| :
|
| >
| > "Candio" > wrote in message
| > s.com...
| >| On 18 Jul 2003, Joni Rathbun > wrote in
| >| :
| >|
| >| >
| >| > On 19 Jul 2003, COcon28932 wrote:
| >| >
| >| >> If anyone knows of a school online or correspondence courses that
| >| >> are free, please write. There is very little money, and our town
| >| >> does not really have anything for this! We do have a high school
| >| >> online here, but my daughter is too young for that.
| >| >
| >| > Do you have a library? Check there for other homeschoolers.
| >| > Otherwise, if homeschooling simply means correspondence courses to
| >| > you, I urge you to consider sending your child to the nearest
| >| > public school.
| >|
| >| Homeschooling is for fundie morons who don't want their children to
| > develop
| >| social skills or independent thought. Public schools are there. Use
| >| them.
| >
| > That is the old home school stigma. Newer homeschooling is more along
| > the lines of a parent owned private school...
| >
| > Plus the education is better ;-)
|
| are you planning to homeschool Allegra? we were planning to homeschool
| even before Boo was born. granted he's going to start Montessori
| preschool this year, but that's just so i can avoid the state placing him
| in a really horrible (dark, only used/broken toys) preschool for
| developmentally delayed kids (he's in speech therapy). i think he'll do
| better with 3 hours of being with 15 3-5 year olds, than with 8 hours of
| being with 30 other developmentally delayed kids, most of whom don't have
| just speech delays & therefore consume more teacher time.
| i expect he'll be back to home schooling by first grade, unless *he*
| chooses to stay at the Montessori school.
|


It's something I have been thinking about since Kris (our niece) was born,
and now it is a requirement for us. New Mexico schools ranked next to last
in education.

I have gone as far as starting a parenting group and will be starting from
that, a homeschool network. I have about 40 families interested here in
Albuquerque. So I think it will be a success.

We are going the Montessori route with my niece until the HS network is
ready. But I will have my own daycare up and running in the very near future
(in January most likely) And from that an international summer camp in about
5-7 years..

I over think some things, and as you see my plans have escalated into this
monster! lol But I am ready ;-)

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[Ali's Daddie]

"Marion Baumgarten" > wrote in message
m...
| Ali's Daddie > wrote:
|
|
| >
| > That is the old home school stigma. Newer homeschooling is more along
the
| > lines of a parent owned private school...
| >
| > Plus the education is better ;-)
|
| I think this is way too broad a statement- home school education varies
| just as private school education. Particularly now that my daughter is
| goind into high school, I can state that the education she and my son
| have received in the public schools is better than what we could have
| provided at home.
|
| Marion Baumgarten

You are right. I should have said for us it is better....

But yes, I do feel that homeschool (networks, not 1 on 1) are better, for
the most part, than public schools.

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[Tina]

llama mama > wrote in message >...
> "Ali's Daddie" > wrote in
> :

> > That is the old home school stigma. Newer homeschooling is more along
> > the lines of a parent owned private school...
> >
> > Plus the education is better ;-)
>
> are you planning to homeschool Allegra? we were planning to homeschool
> even before Boo was born. granted he's going to start Montessori
> preschool this year, but that's just so i can avoid the state placing him
> in a really horrible (dark, only used/broken toys) preschool for
> developmentally delayed kids (he's in speech therapy). i think he'll do
> better with 3 hours of being with 15 3-5 year olds, than with 8 hours of
> being with 30 other developmentally delayed kids, most of whom don't have
> just speech delays & therefore consume more teacher time.
> i expect he'll be back to home schooling by first grade, unless *he*
> chooses to stay at the Montessori school.
>
> lee


You've seen the public special ed classes, and they're that bad? And
8 hours? I've never heard of such a thing, and it's really sad, I
think.

We sent our daughter to the public special ed preschool last year as a
peer model / typical student (no special needs ). The classes are a
max. of 12 kids, with 8 special needs and 4 peers. All classes have a
minimum of 2 teachers (usually with masters degrees in early childhood
ed), most have one or 2 aides as well, and they had a music therapist,
physical therapist, and gym teacher for everyone, plus a speech
therapist for the kids who needed it. There were also student
teachers/interns throughout the year, including one in my daughter's
class who was a man -- I think that's nice to see, and uncommon in
early childhood education. It was also only three hours a day. There
were 4 adults for nine kids most of the year in her class. They had
plenty of new and nice toys and more art supplies than they could've
possibly used. They also took 5 field trips on which there were
always enough parents volunteering to make the ratio 1:1
(kids:adults). We're in Ohio, and I think this is the standard here.
It's competitive to get in as a peer model, and plenty of people
choose this over private preschools (there were 6 classes at my
daughter's school, 3 AM, 3 PM, so 24 peers could get in from our
district.). [Let me amend that -- it's highly competitive among some
families. Some people are horrified at the thought.]

We were thinking of homeschooling our kids, too -- and still may --
but this was a very good experience and opportunity for all of us.
I'm sorry your area doesn't do the same thing (or else does it in a
not so nice way). I'm not doubting your son will do better at the
Montessori you've chosen, I'm just sad that your local schools haven't
done better accomodating minor developmental delays.

Tina.

[Sue]

Ali's Daddie > wrote in message
> That is the old home school stigma. Newer homeschooling is more along the
> lines of a parent owned private school...
>
> Plus the education is better ;-)
> LES!

That's a pretty generalized statement. I know my kids wouldn't get a better
education if I tried homeschooling. They are much better off with me
supplementing and being involved in their schooling than staying home
with me all day giving them worksheets to work on. Not all kids benefit from
homeschooling. There are some who have good school districts and probably
have a better chance going to school than staying home.

I know a few people who homeschool. Some are doing a great job and a couple
are doing their children a huge disservice by homeschooling.
--
Sue
mom to three girls

[llama mama]

(Tina) wrote in
om:

> llama mama > wrote in message
> >...
>> "Ali's Daddie" > wrote in
>> :
>
>> > That is the old home school stigma. Newer homeschooling is more
>> > along the lines of a parent owned private school...
>> >
>> > Plus the education is better ;-)
>>
>> are you planning to homeschool Allegra? we were planning to
>> homeschool
>> even before Boo was born. granted he's going to start Montessori
>> preschool this year, but that's just so i can avoid the state placing
>> him in a really horrible (dark, only used/broken toys) preschool for
>> developmentally delayed kids (he's in speech therapy). i think he'll
>> do better with 3 hours of being with 15 3-5 year olds, than with 8
>> hours of being with 30 other developmentally delayed kids, most of
>> whom don't have just speech delays & therefore consume more teacher
>> time.
>> i expect he'll be back to home schooling by first grade, unless *he*
>> chooses to stay at the Montessori school.
>>
>> lee
>
>
> You've seen the public special ed classes, and they're that bad? And
> 8 hours? I've never heard of such a thing, and it's really sad, I
> think.

actual class is 6 hours, i think, but i'm including driving time since i
have to take him to a district that *has* special ed. preschool. the
district we live in does not. there's just no way in hell i'm putting a 3
year old on a school bus!
>
> We sent our daughter to the public special ed preschool last year as a
> peer model / typical student (no special needs ). The classes are a
> max. of 12 kids, with 8 special needs and 4 peers. All classes have a
> minimum of 2 teachers (usually with masters degrees in early childhood
> ed), most have one or 2 aides as well, and they had a music therapist,
> physical therapist, and gym teacher for everyone, plus a speech
> therapist for the kids who needed it. There were also student
> teachers/interns throughout the year, including one in my daughter's
> class who was a man -- I think that's nice to see, and uncommon in
> early childhood education. It was also only three hours a day. There
> were 4 adults for nine kids most of the year in her class. They had
> plenty of new and nice toys and more art supplies than they could've
> possibly used. They also took 5 field trips on which there were
> always enough parents volunteering to make the ratio 1:1
> (kids:adults). We're in Ohio, and I think this is the standard here.

his playgroup is like that, but he can only attend until he is three (in
3 weeks). i had a choice between a privately funded center for his
speech/physical therapy and playgroup or state run program. considering
the preschool, i'm really happy i chose the privately funded center. i'll
be donating to them from now on.

> It's competitive to get in as a peer model, and plenty of people
> choose this over private preschools (there were 6 classes at my
> daughter's school, 3 AM, 3 PM, so 24 peers could get in from our
> district.). [Let me amend that -- it's highly competitive among some
> families. Some people are horrified at the thought.]

Boo's playgroup has had between 1-3 peers from the community, but there
aren't any in the current group (which only had 3 kids!) i've been told
the late morning & afternoon groups get more peers. apparently no one
wants to get thier kids there for a one hour 9am group.
>
> We were thinking of homeschooling our kids, too -- and still may --
> but this was a very good experience and opportunity for all of us.
> I'm sorry your area doesn't do the same thing (or else does it in a
> not so nice way). I'm not doubting your son will do better at the
> Montessori you've chosen, I'm just sad that your local schools haven't
> done better accomodating minor developmental delays.

my state is very bad about funding for persons with developmental
disabilities & thier families. due to budget cuts in already underfunded
programs there will likely be *no* respite care unless it's done on a
volunteer basis. educational programs will be reduced also. i suspect
that if any program isn't federally funded or paid for by health
insurance or private funding, it won't be happening at all...


lee
--
It is paradoxical that many educators and parents still differentiate
between a time for learning and a time for play without seeing the vital
connection between them. -Leo Buscaglia, author (1924-1998)

[Clisby Williams]

CBI wrote:

>"Clisby Williams" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>>One point of homeschooling, even with a canned curriculum, is that the
>>
>>
>child
>
>
>>can move along at his/her own pace. Also, according to my first cousin
>>
>>
>who
>
>
>>homeschooled 3 children, you avoid a lot of time-wasting stuff that goes
>>
>>
>on
>
>
>>in a regular school.
>>
>>
>
>The time saving stuff is true enough if you keep the kid at home or in real
>small groups. I still think that many of the purported benefits are lost if
>they do it this way.
>
>What I specifically had in mind is my neighbor who runs a "homeschool" where
>they rent a room and 20-30 teens attend a class. To me this doesn't seem
>much different than other schools and it does not allow them to move at
>their own pace.
>
>--
>CBI
>
>
>
>

I'm not familiar with that type of setup as "homeschooling" - it sounds
like it's just
a private school. My daughter attends a very small private school
(about 40
children from preschool through middle school), but it's not homeschooling.

Clisby

[Donna Metler]

There are thousands of websites with educational materials you could use
with your daughter. In addition, there are a few online charter schools,
depending on where you are, so you may want ot check on this. National
standards for most subjects are either available online or for a nominal
charge, and can serve as a good guideline.

Regardless, homeschooling will cost-either you have to spend the time to put
together the materials yourself, or you have to pay for someone else to do
it. I don't think anyone is going to give you a complete plan, free.

[CBI]

"Clisby Williams" > wrote in message
...
>
> One point of homeschooling, even with a canned curriculum, is that the
child
> can move along at his/her own pace. Also, according to my first cousin
who
> homeschooled 3 children, you avoid a lot of time-wasting stuff that goes
on
> in a regular school.

The time saving stuff is true enough if you keep the kid at home or in real
small groups. I still think that many of the purported benefits are lost if
they do it this way.

What I specifically had in mind is my neighbor who runs a "homeschool" where
they rent a room and 20-30 teens attend a class. To me this doesn't seem
much different than other schools and it does not allow them to move at
their own pace.

--
CBI

[Stephanie and Tim]

"Candio" > wrote in message
s.com...
> On 18 Jul 2003, Joni Rathbun > wrote in
> :
>
> >
> > On 19 Jul 2003, COcon28932 wrote:
> >
> >> If anyone knows of a school online or correspondence courses that are
> >> free, please write. There is very little money, and our town does not
> >> really have anything for this! We do have a high school online here,
> >> but my daughter is too young for that.
> >
> > Do you have a library? Check there for other homeschoolers. Otherwise,
> > if homeschooling simply means correspondence courses to you, I urge
> > you to consider sending your child to the nearest public school.
>
> Homeschooling is for fundie morons who don't want their children to
develop
> social skills or independent thought. Public schools are there. Use them.


There are a lot of kids who are not best served by public schools. The very
gifted can be insignificantly challeneged, leading to serious lack of
motivation and under acheivement, as was my uhsband when he was in school.

S

[Stephanie and Tim]

"Joni Rathbun" > wrote in message
...
>
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, CBI wrote:
>
> >
> > "Ali's Daddie" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > That is the old home school stigma. Newer homeschooling is more along
the
> > > lines of a parent owned private school...
> > >
> >
> > The last couple of parents who have discussed how they were
"homeschooling"
> > their kids with me have described something that was not all that
different
> > than a smaller version of regular old school.
> >
> > I'm starting to realize that in some cases "homeschool" is just a small,
> > private, unregulated school.
>
> In many cases that's exactly what it is. I've seen a lot of drill and
> practice (in and of itself not a bad thing) and a lot of worksheets
> and canned curricula. Some people are happy with that and that's
> okay by me because I believe parents should be allowed to make
> these decisions. Tho when I homeschooled, I did it precisly to
> get away from that kind of instructional method....
>


Even if you have a strict instructional method, you will still have much
smaller class size than with a public school.

S

[CBI]

"Clisby Williams" > wrote in message
...
> >
> >What I specifically had in mind is my neighbor who runs a "homeschool"
where
> >they rent a room and 20-30 teens attend a class. To me this doesn't seem
> >much different than other schools and it does not allow them to move at
> >their own pace.
> >
>
> I'm not familiar with that type of setup as "homeschooling" - it sounds
> like it's just
> a private school. My daughter attends a very small private school
> (about 40
> children from preschool through middle school), but it's not
homeschooling.

That's what I was thinking as she told me about it.

--
CBI