|Re: Dateline & Spanking *Blood Brothers* Discrepancy in story

[Kane]

On 08 Sep 2003 13:22:36 GMT, (Fern5827) wrote:

>The brother who did the actual murder says his parents spanked him
>APPROPRIATELY.

Please post a referance to the incident you apparently are stupidly
failing to cite properly...or are you dreaming again?

By the way, the Streeter murder Dateline story, as far as I've found,
shows no such referrance. Your kid?

You've been getting your information from TV again, right?

And you, of course, would take the word of a convicted murderer. Nice
going, Plant. Yet another example of your strangeness.

Yet think about what you are supporting...that a murderer was spanked,
not beaten, not brutalized, but just spanked. Interesting, eh?

(of course that turns out to NOT be true...there was a defense of
family abuse)

>The brother who was collaterally conviced of murder--but then
released --said
>that the spankings he received made him WORK WITH HIS BRO IN ROBBERY
AND
>MURDER.

Oh, and this doesn't for you, equate with any reason to end the
practice of spanking, I suppose.

>All children are individuals.

Why yes they sure are, and that is what makes it a very dangerous crap
shoot to use CP as a discipline. Who has the wisdom to predict the
outcome? Eh? YOU?

>When the state intrudes into families

The expectation is that incidences such as above are less likely to
happen. That is WHY the state intrudes. Personally I like it that they
are making an attempt to reduce the number of murders and murderers so
trained by stupid parents who spank.

>and when
>the aparatchicks

Name calling? Tsk.......... tsk............. tsk

>like Straus apppear to confirm the universal law that spanking
>is TANTAMOUNT TO CHILD ABUSE,

I'd say he has been more than circumspect on the issue. Personally
have NO doubt whatever it is abusive. And it isn't "TANTAMOUNT TO." It
is child abuse.

Small children do NOT need to be hit to control, guide, and teach
them. In fact it is a dangerous gamble to do so as this article
supports.

As the freed boy above showed in his statement, if he can be believed,
it makes blind followers, as well as vicious leaders.

>it makes one distrust the complete apparatus of
>government.

It makes a Plant spout generalities with obvious bias and logic that
reverses It's claims by the evidence offered. Do you always defeat
yourself right out of the gate?

>"Whores of the Court"

Tsk, more name calling. How could you? Doug will be along any moment
to point out your reducto absurdum and nasty name calling.

>confirms that the cadre of LE, psychologists, social
>workers, CPS workers are acting to keep their sinecures, not to
remediate
>situations.

That's why they don't. The majority work quite hard to remediate.
Plants don't know such things, of course.

>Criminalizing good-enough parents is an extremely dangerous tactic on
the part
>of social service agencies.

That's why it's a rarity. "Good-enough" parents gave up spanking long
ago. But then spanking is legal in all but one state (still haven't
figured that out yet, have yah, Potato?) so social service agencies to
no criminalize it. They simply include it in the long list of
circumstances they find along with it, as not EVEN good enough
parenting.

>
>http://www.familyrightsassociation.com OR based--many other
family support
>groups in OR for those batting SCF or SoSCF

You can't even get the name right. r r r r

bingo bango bongo,

Stoneman ... and for those interested in the Blood Brothers story.

Streeter murder featured on Dateline

A two-hour special tonight on the NBC news magazine "Dateline"
profiles Ted and Jesse Ernst of Bigfork and their murder of
businessman Larry Streeter.
Titled "Blood Brothers," the program describes the brothers and their
relationship after Ted Ernst fell from a tree and became paralyzed.
Despite his disability, he and his younger brother, Jesse, engaged in
a long series of burglaries of homes and businesses near Bigfork.

On Christmas Day 1997, they were caught at a home by Streeter, who was
checking on the residence for an out-of-town friend. He was shot dead.

The Ernsts, ages 20 and 18, were arrested in May 1998. Both pleaded
guilty to Streeter's murder. Ted Ernst went to prison and is serving a
100-year sentence. Jesse Ernst began serving a similar sentence and
then was granted a new trial.

He stood trial in March 2001. A jury found him innocent on some
burglary charges and not guilty by reason of mental disease on other
charges, including the murder of Streeter.

His lawyer, Phyllis Quatman, argued that Ernst could not be held
criminally accountable for his actions because of mental deficiencies
caused by a genetic condition called Klinefelter's Syndrome, an
abusive family and the pathological control of his brother, Ted.

A judge sentenced Jesse Ernst to a state hospital. Now 24, he has
since been released.

The Dateline show begins at 7 p.m., with correspondent John Larson's
story covering the entire two hours.

The A&E Network also profiled the brothers and Sports Illustrated
wrote about Ted Ernst, who was once a competitive wheelchair racer.

http://www.dailyinterlake.com/NewsEngine/SelectStory_AD.tpl?command=search&db=news.db&eqskudata=84-816753-84

or http://tinyurl.com/mn36

[Fern5827]

K-9 you break me up. Your ravings serve to spread the word.

Keep up the ad hominems. Each illiterate reference builds our case.

BTW, we're winning. Not you and yours who seek to control families through
intimidation and ignorant bad mouthing of others.

DCFS Utah- Victory

OH Judge- Victory

Corruption in California Stanislaus Co and Merced- Victory

DSS v Stumbo (NC Court of Appeals, 2003)- Victory

"Whores of the Court", BTW, is a highly-regarded and best selling book about
corruption within SS and CPS.

Poor Stoneman--Fossilized brain.

Or I'd rather be a growing vibrant plant than a sedimentary stone. With a
stone heart--unable to hear children and families cry out about the
illegalities & unconstitutionalities endemic within CPS.

http://www.nccpr.org Reforming foster care--one lawsuit at a time. Oh, I
forgot k-9 was warehoused in foster care.



Keep it out--the more controversy, the more attention.

Ha Ha.

>Subject: |Re: Dateline & Spanking *Blood Brothers* Discrepancy in story
>From: (Kane)
>Date: 9/8/2003 12:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>On 08 Sep 2003 13:22:36 GMT, (Fern5827) wrote:
>
>>The brother who did the actual murder says his parents spanked him
>>APPROPRIATELY.
>
>Please post a referance to the incident you apparently are stupidly
>failing to cite properly...or are you dreaming again?
>
>By the way, the Streeter murder Dateline story, as far as I've found,
>shows no such referrance. Your kid?
>
>You've been getting your information from TV again, right?
>
>And you, of course, would take the word of a convicted murderer. Nice
>going, Plant. Yet another example of your strangeness.
>
>Yet think about what you are supporting...that a murderer was spanked,
>not beaten, not brutalized, but just spanked. Interesting, eh?
>
>(of course that turns out to NOT be true...there was a defense of
>family abuse)
>
>>The brother who was collaterally conviced of murder--but then
>released --said
>>that the spankings he received made him WORK WITH HIS BRO IN ROBBERY
>AND
>>MURDER.
>
>Oh, and this doesn't for you, equate with any reason to end the
>practice of spanking, I suppose.
>
>>All children are individuals.
>
>Why yes they sure are, and that is what makes it a very dangerous crap
>shoot to use CP as a discipline. Who has the wisdom to predict the
>outcome? Eh? YOU?
>
>>When the state intrudes into families
>
>The expectation is that incidences such as above are less likely to
>happen. That is WHY the state intrudes. Personally I like it that they
>are making an attempt to reduce the number of murders and murderers so
>trained by stupid parents who spank.
>
>>and when
>>the aparatchicks
>
>Name calling? Tsk.......... tsk............. tsk
>
>>like Straus apppear to confirm the universal law that spanking
>>is TANTAMOUNT TO CHILD ABUSE,
>
>I'd say he has been more than circumspect on the issue. Personally
>have NO doubt whatever it is abusive. And it isn't "TANTAMOUNT TO." It
>is child abuse.
>
>Small children do NOT need to be hit to control, guide, and teach
>them. In fact it is a dangerous gamble to do so as this article
>supports.
>
>As the freed boy above showed in his statement, if he can be believed,
>it makes blind followers, as well as vicious leaders.
>
>>it makes one distrust the complete apparatus of
>>government.
>
>It makes a Plant spout generalities with obvious bias and logic that
>reverses It's claims by the evidence offered. Do you always defeat
>yourself right out of the gate?
>
>>"Whores of the Court"
>
>Tsk, more name calling. How could you? Doug will be along any moment
>to point out your reducto absurdum and nasty name calling.
>
>>confirms that the cadre of LE, psychologists, social
>>workers, CPS workers are acting to keep their sinecures, not to
>remediate
>>situations.
>
>That's why they don't. The majority work quite hard to remediate.
>Plants don't know such things, of course.
>
>>Criminalizing good-enough parents is an extremely dangerous tactic on
>the part
>>of social service agencies.
>
>That's why it's a rarity. "Good-enough" parents gave up spanking long
>ago. But then spanking is legal in all but one state (still haven't
>figured that out yet, have yah, Potato?) so social service agencies to
>no criminalize it. They simply include it in the long list of
>circumstances they find along with it, as not EVEN good enough
>parenting.
>
>>
>>http://www.familyrightsassociation.com OR based--many other
>family support
>>groups in OR for those batting SCF or SoSCF
>
>You can't even get the name right. r r r r
>
>bingo bango bongo,
>
>Stoneman ... and for those interested in the Blood Brothers story.
>
>Streeter murder featured on Dateline
>
>A two-hour special tonight on the NBC news magazine "Dateline"
>profiles Ted and Jesse Ernst of Bigfork and their murder of
>businessman Larry Streeter.
>Titled "Blood Brothers," the program describes the brothers and their
>relationship after Ted Ernst fell from a tree and became paralyzed.
>Despite his disability, he and his younger brother, Jesse, engaged in
>a long series of burglaries of homes and businesses near Bigfork.
>
>On Christmas Day 1997, they were caught at a home by Streeter, who was
>checking on the residence for an out-of-town friend. He was shot dead.
>
>The Ernsts, ages 20 and 18, were arrested in May 1998. Both pleaded
>guilty to Streeter's murder. Ted Ernst went to prison and is serving a
>100-year sentence. Jesse Ernst began serving a similar sentence and
>then was granted a new trial.
>
>He stood trial in March 2001. A jury found him innocent on some
>burglary charges and not guilty by reason of mental disease on other
>charges, including the murder of Streeter.
>
>His lawyer, Phyllis Quatman, argued that Ernst could not be held
>criminally accountable for his actions because of mental deficiencies
>caused by a genetic condition called Klinefelter's Syndrome, an
>abusive family and the pathological control of his brother, Ted.
>
>A judge sentenced Jesse Ernst to a state hospital. Now 24, he has
>since been released.
>
>The Dateline show begins at 7 p.m., with correspondent John Larson's
>story covering the entire two hours.
>
>The A&E Network also profiled the brothers and Sports Illustrated
>wrote about Ted Ernst, who was once a competitive wheelchair racer.
>
>
>http://www.dailyinterlake.com/NewsEngine/SelectStory_AD.tpl?command=searc
h&db=news.db&eqskudata=84-816753-84
>
>or http://tinyurl.com/mn36
>
>
>
>
>
>

[LaVonne Carlson]

Kane wrote:

> On 08 Sep 2003 13:22:36 GMT, (Fern5827) wrote:
>
> You've been getting your information from TV again, right?

That's Fern's only source of information. She doesn't read --she's a media dream. For people like Fern, the
media exists in it's present form. She equates facts with media TV.

> And you, of course, would take the word of a convicted murderer. Nice
> going, Plant. Yet another example of your strangeness.

Fern only takes the word of a convicted murder if it matches her agenda. Quite a hoot, isn't it? If the
convicted murderer talked about his/her parenting that included spanking, you can be very sure she would not
post this on any ng.

> Yet think about what you are supporting...that a murderer was spanked,
> not beaten, not brutalized, but just spanked. Interesting, eh?

I think Fern missed this point. Even with a media source it's tough for her to realize what she is saying.
Hey Fern, how about that? The murderer not only admitted to being spanked, but he felt the spankings were
appropriate.

> (of course that turns out to NOT be true...there was a defense of
> family abuse)

You do know that family abuse doesn't exist. It's a figment of the government's imagination.

> >The brother who was collaterally conviced of murder--but then
> released --said
> >that the spankings he received made him WORK WITH HIS BRO IN ROBBERY
> AND
> >MURDER.
>
> Oh, and this doesn't for you, equate with any reason to end the
> practice of spanking, I suppose.

In Fern's mind she sees this as a reason for spanking!

> >All children are individuals.
>
> Why yes they sure are, and that is what makes it a very dangerous crap
> shoot to use CP as a discipline. Who has the wisdom to predict the
> outcome? Eh? YOU?

Yes, Fern does seem to believe that she has that wisdom. Amazing, isn't it?

This was such a good post that I kept wanting to add to it, but I think you've made your point, and made it
well. I see very little support for Fern's posts anymore, and I have heard from individuals on
alt.support.child-protective-services that wish Fern would just go away.

There are some real issues with CPS that need to be addressed on the appropriate ng. Yet even this ng doesn't
want Fern.

LaVonne

[LaVonne Carlson]

You really have lost it, haven't you? Thank you for this post.

LaVonne

Fern5827 wrote:

> K-9 you break me up. Your ravings serve to spread the word.
>
> Keep up the ad hominems. Each illiterate reference builds our case.
>
> BTW, we're winning. Not you and yours who seek to control families through
> intimidation and ignorant bad mouthing of others.
>
> DCFS Utah- Victory
>
> OH Judge- Victory
>
> Corruption in California Stanislaus Co and Merced- Victory
>
> DSS v Stumbo (NC Court of Appeals, 2003)- Victory
>
> "Whores of the Court", BTW, is a highly-regarded and best selling book about
> corruption within SS and CPS.
>
> Poor Stoneman--Fossilized brain.
>
> Or I'd rather be a growing vibrant plant than a sedimentary stone. With a
> stone heart--unable to hear children and families cry out about the
> illegalities & unconstitutionalities endemic within CPS.
>
> http://www.nccpr.org Reforming foster care--one lawsuit at a time. Oh, I
> forgot k-9 was warehoused in foster care.
>
> Keep it out--the more controversy, the more attention.
>
> Ha Ha.
>
> >Subject: |Re: Dateline & Spanking *Blood Brothers* Discrepancy in story
> >From: (Kane)
> >Date: 9/8/2003 12:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >On 08 Sep 2003 13:22:36 GMT, (Fern5827) wrote:
> >
> >>The brother who did the actual murder says his parents spanked him
> >>APPROPRIATELY.
> >
> >Please post a referance to the incident you apparently are stupidly
> >failing to cite properly...or are you dreaming again?
> >
> >By the way, the Streeter murder Dateline story, as far as I've found,
> >shows no such referrance. Your kid?
> >
> >You've been getting your information from TV again, right?
> >
> >And you, of course, would take the word of a convicted murderer. Nice
> >going, Plant. Yet another example of your strangeness.
> >
> >Yet think about what you are supporting...that a murderer was spanked,
> >not beaten, not brutalized, but just spanked. Interesting, eh?
> >
> >(of course that turns out to NOT be true...there was a defense of
> >family abuse)
> >
> >>The brother who was collaterally conviced of murder--but then
> >released --said
> >>that the spankings he received made him WORK WITH HIS BRO IN ROBBERY
> >AND
> >>MURDER.
> >
> >Oh, and this doesn't for you, equate with any reason to end the
> >practice of spanking, I suppose.
> >
> >>All children are individuals.
> >
> >Why yes they sure are, and that is what makes it a very dangerous crap
> >shoot to use CP as a discipline. Who has the wisdom to predict the
> >outcome? Eh? YOU?
> >
> >>When the state intrudes into families
> >
> >The expectation is that incidences such as above are less likely to
> >happen. That is WHY the state intrudes. Personally I like it that they
> >are making an attempt to reduce the number of murders and murderers so
> >trained by stupid parents who spank.
> >
> >>and when
> >>the aparatchicks
> >
> >Name calling? Tsk.......... tsk............. tsk
> >
> >>like Straus apppear to confirm the universal law that spanking
> >>is TANTAMOUNT TO CHILD ABUSE,
> >
> >I'd say he has been more than circumspect on the issue. Personally
> >have NO doubt whatever it is abusive. And it isn't "TANTAMOUNT TO." It
> >is child abuse.
> >
> >Small children do NOT need to be hit to control, guide, and teach
> >them. In fact it is a dangerous gamble to do so as this article
> >supports.
> >
> >As the freed boy above showed in his statement, if he can be believed,
> >it makes blind followers, as well as vicious leaders.
> >
> >>it makes one distrust the complete apparatus of
> >>government.
> >
> >It makes a Plant spout generalities with obvious bias and logic that
> >reverses It's claims by the evidence offered. Do you always defeat
> >yourself right out of the gate?
> >
> >>"Whores of the Court"
> >
> >Tsk, more name calling. How could you? Doug will be along any moment
> >to point out your reducto absurdum and nasty name calling.
> >
> >>confirms that the cadre of LE, psychologists, social
> >>workers, CPS workers are acting to keep their sinecures, not to
> >remediate
> >>situations.
> >
> >That's why they don't. The majority work quite hard to remediate.
> >Plants don't know such things, of course.
> >
> >>Criminalizing good-enough parents is an extremely dangerous tactic on
> >the part
> >>of social service agencies.
> >
> >That's why it's a rarity. "Good-enough" parents gave up spanking long
> >ago. But then spanking is legal in all but one state (still haven't
> >figured that out yet, have yah, Potato?) so social service agencies to
> >no criminalize it. They simply include it in the long list of
> >circumstances they find along with it, as not EVEN good enough
> >parenting.
> >
> >>
> >>http://www.familyrightsassociation.com OR based--many other
> >family support
> >>groups in OR for those batting SCF or SoSCF
> >
> >You can't even get the name right. r r r r
> >
> >bingo bango bongo,
> >
> >Stoneman ... and for those interested in the Blood Brothers story.
> >
> >Streeter murder featured on Dateline
> >
> >A two-hour special tonight on the NBC news magazine "Dateline"
> >profiles Ted and Jesse Ernst of Bigfork and their murder of
> >businessman Larry Streeter.
> >Titled "Blood Brothers," the program describes the brothers and their
> >relationship after Ted Ernst fell from a tree and became paralyzed.
> >Despite his disability, he and his younger brother, Jesse, engaged in
> >a long series of burglaries of homes and businesses near Bigfork.
> >
> >On Christmas Day 1997, they were caught at a home by Streeter, who was
> >checking on the residence for an out-of-town friend. He was shot dead.
> >
> >The Ernsts, ages 20 and 18, were arrested in May 1998. Both pleaded
> >guilty to Streeter's murder. Ted Ernst went to prison and is serving a
> >100-year sentence. Jesse Ernst began serving a similar sentence and
> >then was granted a new trial.
> >
> >He stood trial in March 2001. A jury found him innocent on some
> >burglary charges and not guilty by reason of mental disease on other
> >charges, including the murder of Streeter.
> >
> >His lawyer, Phyllis Quatman, argued that Ernst could not be held
> >criminally accountable for his actions because of mental deficiencies
> >caused by a genetic condition called Klinefelter's Syndrome, an
> >abusive family and the pathological control of his brother, Ted.
> >
> >A judge sentenced Jesse Ernst to a state hospital. Now 24, he has
> >since been released.
> >
> >The Dateline show begins at 7 p.m., with correspondent John Larson's
> >story covering the entire two hours.
> >
> >The A&E Network also profiled the brothers and Sports Illustrated
> >wrote about Ted Ernst, who was once a competitive wheelchair racer.
> >
> >
> >http://www.dailyinterlake.com/NewsEngine/SelectStory_AD.tpl?command=searc
> h&db=news.db&eqskudata=84-816753-84
> >
> >or http://tinyurl.com/mn36
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

[Greg Hanson]

> I see very little support for Fern's posts anymore, and
> I have heard from individuals on
> alt.support.child-protective-services that wish Fern would just go away.

What? Ron wrote that to you once?

> There are some real issues with CPS that need
> to be addressed on the appropriate ng. Yet even
> this ng doesn't want Fern.

Who appointed you God?

[R. Steve Walz]

Greg Hanson wrote:
>
> > I see very little support for Fern's posts anymore, and
> > I have heard from individuals on
> > alt.support.child-protective-services that wish Fern would just go away.
>
> What? Ron wrote that to you once?
------------------
Fern is a delusional paranoid.


> > There are some real issues with CPS that need
> > to be addressed on the appropriate ng. Yet even
> > this ng doesn't want Fern.
>
> Who appointed you God?
---------------
You ****ty little liar!
Steve

[Doan]

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:

> You ****ty little liar!
> Steve
>
Oops! It's **** coming out of Steve's mouth again!

Doan

[R. Steve Walz]

Doan wrote:
>
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
>
> > You ****ty little liar!
> > Steve
> >
> Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!
>
> Doan

[Doan]

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:

> Doan wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
> >
> > > You ****ty little liar!
> > > Steve
> > >
> > Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!
> >
> > Steve
>
That is what you get for sticking your nose in other people "busi-ass",
"never-spanked" boy! :-)

Doan

[R. Steve Walz]

Doan wrote:
>
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
>
> > Doan wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
> > >
> > > > You ****ty little liar!
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!
> > >
> > > Doan
> >
> That is what I get for sticking your nose in other people
> "busi-ass", I'm such a ****-assed boy! :-)
>
> Doan

[Doan]

On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:

> Doan wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
> >
> > > Doan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You ****ty little liar!
> > > > > Steve
> > > > >
> > > > Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > >
> > That is what I get for sticking your nose in other people
> > "busi-ass", I'm such a ****-assed boy! :-)
> >
> > Steve
>
It's not my nose, it's your mouth, "never-spanked" boy! :-)

Doan

[R. Steve Walz]

Doan wrote:
>
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
>
> > > > > > You ****ty little liar!
> > > > > > Steve
> > > > > >
> > > > > Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!
> > > > >
> > > > > Doan
> > > >
> > > That is what you get for sticking your nose in other people
> > > "busi-ass", you're such a ****-assed boy! :-)
> > >
> > > Steve
> >
> It's not my nose, it's my mouth, "never-spanked" boy! :-)
>
> Doan
---------------------
That's where you keep spewing ****, alright.
Steve

[Doan]

On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:

> Doan wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > You ****ty little liar!
> > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Steve
> > > > >
> > > > That is what you get for sticking your nose in other people
> > > > "busi-ass", never-spanked boy! :-)
> > > >
> > > > Doan
> > >
> > It's not ony your nose, it's also your mouth, "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> >
> > Doan
> ---------------------
> That's where you keep spewing ****, alright.
> Steve
>
Yep! Straight into your mouth! :-0

Doan

[R. Steve Walz]

Doan wrote:
>
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > You ****ty little liar!
> > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Doan
> > > > > >
> > > > > That is what I get for sticking my nose in other people
> > > > > "busi-ass", never-spanked boy! :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Doan
> > > >
> > > It's not only my nose, it's also my mouth, "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> > >
> > > Doan
> > ---------------------
> > That's where you keep spewing ****, alright.
> > Steve
> >
> Yep! Straight outa my mouth! :-0
>
> Doan

[Doan]

On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:

> Doan wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > You ****ty little liar!
> > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Doan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > That is what I get for sticking my nose in other people
> > > > > > "busi-ass", never-spanked boy! :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Doan
> > > > >
> > > > It's not only my nose, it's also my mouth, "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> > > >
> > > > Doan
> > > ---------------------
> > > That's where I keep spewing ****, alright.
> > > Steve
> > >
> > Yep! Straight outa my mouth! :-0
> > Steve
>
Yup! That's is why you are known as a ****-spewing, "never-spanked" boy!
:-)

Doan

[R. Steve Walz]

Doan wrote:
>
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > You ****ty little liar!
> > > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!
> > > > > > > > > Doan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That is what you get for sticking my head up my own
> > > > > > > "****ty ass", never-spanked boy! :-)
> > > > > > > Doan
> > > > > >
> > > > > It's not only my nose, it's also my mouth,
> > > > > "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> > > > > Doan
> > > > ---------------------
> > > > That's where you keep spewing ****, alright.
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > Yep! Straight outa my mouth! :-0
> > > Doan
> >-----------
> > And you eat **** too, asshole!
> > Steve
>
> Yup! That's is why I'm known as a ****-spewing asshole,
> you "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> Doan
-------------
You certainly are!
Steve

[Doan]

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:

> Doan wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > You ****ty little liar!
> > > > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!
> > > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That is what you get for sticking your head up your own
> > > > > > > > "****ty ass", never-spanked boy! :-)
> > > > > > > > Doan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > It's not only my nose, it's also my mouth,
> > > > > > Steve
> > > > > ---------------------
> > > > > That's where you keep spewing ****, alright.
> > > > > Steve
> > > > >
> > > > Yep! Straight into your mouth! :-0
> > > > Doan
> > >-----------
> > > And you eat **** too, asshole!
> > > Steve
> >
> > Yup! That's is why I'm known as a ****-spewing asshole,
> > "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> > Steve
> -------------
> You certainly are!
> Doan
>

[R. Steve Walz]

Doan wrote:
>
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > You ****ty little liar!
> > > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!
> > > > > > > > > Doan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That is what you get for sticking my head up my own
> > > > > > > "****ty ass", never-spanked boy! :-)
> > > > > > > Doan
> > > > > >
> > > > > It's not only my nose, it's also my mouth,
> > > > > "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> > > > > Doan
> > > > ---------------------
> > > > That's where you keep spewing ****, alright.
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > Yep! Straight outa my mouth! :-0
> > > Doan
> >-----------
> > And you eat **** too, asshole!
> > Steve
>
> Yup! That's is why I'm known as a ****-spewing asshole,
> you "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> Doan
-------------
You certainly are!
Steve

[Doan]

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:

> Doan wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > You ****ty little liar!
> > > > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!
> > > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That is what you get for sticking your head up your own
> > > > > > > > "****ty ass", never-spanked boy! :-)
> > > > > > > > Doan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > It's not only my nose, it's also my mouth as a
> > > > > > "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> > > > > > Steve
> > > > > ---------------------
> > > > > That's where you keep spewing ****, alright.
> > > > > Doan
> > > > >
> > > > Yep! Straight into my mouth! :-0
> > > > Doan
> > >-----------
> > > And I eat **** too, from any asshole!
> > > Steve
> >
> > Yup! That's is why you are known as a ****-spewing mouth,
> > "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> > Doan
> -------------
> You certainly are!
> Steve
>
Only you! :-)

Doan

[Dan Sullivan]

"Doan" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
>
> > Doan wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You ****ty little liar!
> > > > > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!
> > > > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > That is what you get for sticking your head up your own
> > > > > > > > > "****ty ass", never-spanked boy! :-)
> > > > > > > > > Doan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's not only my nose, it's also my mouth as a
> > > > > > > "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > ---------------------
> > > > > > That's where you keep spewing ****, alright.
> > > > > > Doan
> > > > > >
> > > > > Yep! Straight into my mouth! :-0
> > > > > Doan
> > > >-----------
> > > > And I eat **** too, from any asshole!
> > > > Steve
> > >
> > > Yup! That's is why you are known as a ****-spewing mouth,
> > > "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> > > Doan
> > -------------
> > You certainly are!
> > Steve
> >
> Only you! :-)

Only you can make this world seem right
Only you can make the darkness bright
Only you and you alone
Can thrill me like you do
And fill my heart with love for only you
Only you can make this change in me
For it's true you are my destiny
When you hold my hand I understand
The magic that you do
You're my dream come true
My one and only you
Only you can make this change in me
For it's true you are my destiny
When you hold my hand I understand
The magic that you do
You're my dream come true
My one and only you

Are ya both sick now?

Is this thing finished?

I hope so.

[R. Steve Walz]

Doan wrote:
>
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > You ****ty little liar!
> > > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!
> > > > > > > > > Doan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That is what you get for sticking my head up my own
> > > > > > > "****ty ass", never-spanked boy! :-)
> > > > > > > Doan
> > > > > >
> > > > > It's not only my nose, it's also my mouth,
> > > > > "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> > > > > Doan
> > > > ---------------------
> > > > That's where you keep spewing ****, alright.
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > Yep! Straight outa my mouth! :-0
> > > Doan
> >-----------
> > And you eat **** too, asshole!
> > Steve
>
> Yup! That's is why I'm known as a ****-spewing asshole,
> you "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> Doan
-------------
You certainly are, ****head!
Steve

[Doan]

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Dan Sullivan wrote:

I apologize if I have offended you, Dan. I do not mean to!
This is between me and Steve. Let's see how he like the taste
of his own medicine.

Doan

> Only you can make this world seem right
> Only you can make the darkness bright
> Only you and you alone
> Can thrill me like you do
> And fill my heart with love for only you
> Only you can make this change in me
> For it's true you are my destiny
> When you hold my hand I understand
> The magic that you do
> You're my dream come true
> My one and only you
> Only you can make this change in me
> For it's true you are my destiny
> When you hold my hand I understand
> The magic that you do
> You're my dream come true
> My one and only you
>
> Are ya both sick now?
>
> Is this thing finished?
>
> I hope so.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Doan]

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:

> Doan wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!
> > > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That is what you get for sticking my head up my own
> > > > > > > > "****ty ass", never-spanked boy! :-)
> > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > It's not only my nose, it's also my mouth,
> > > > > > "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> > > > > > Steve
> > > > > ---------------------
> > > > Yep! Straight outa my mouth! :-0
> > > > Steve
> > >-----------
> > > And you eat **** too, asshole!
> > > Steve
> >
> > Yup! That's is why I'm known as a ****-spewing asshole,
> > you "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> > Steve
> -------------
> You certainly are, ****head!
> Steve
>
Only you, Steve! :-)

Doan

[R. Steve Walz]

Doan wrote:
>
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > You ****ty little liar!
> > > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!
> > > > > > > > > Doan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That is what you get for sticking my head up my own
> > > > > > > "****ty ass", never-spanked boy! :-)
> > > > > > > Doan
> > > > > >
> > > > > It's not only my nose, it's also my mouth,
> > > > > "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> > > > > Doan
> > > > ---------------------
> > > > That's where you keep spewing ****, alright.
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > Yep! Straight outa my mouth! :-0
> > > Doan
> >-----------
> > And you eat **** too, asshole!
> > Steve
>
> Yup! That's is why I'm known as a ****-spewing asshole,
> you "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> Doan
-------------
You certainly are, ****head!
Steve

[Doan]

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:

> Doan wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 18 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > You ****ty little liar!
> > > > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!
> > > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That is what you get for sticking my head up my own
> > > > > > > > "****ty ass", never-spanked boy! :-)
> > > > > > > > Doan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > It's not only my nose, it's also my mouth. I am a proud
> > > > > > "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> > > > > > Steve
> > > > > ---------------------
> > > > > That's where you keep spewing ****, alright.
> > > > > Steve
> > > > >
> > > > Yep! Straight outa your mouth! :-0
> > > > Doan
> > >-----------
> > > And I eat **** too, asshole!
> > > Steve
> >
> > Yup! That's is why Your are known as a ****-spewing asshole,
> > you "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> > Doan
> -------------
> You certainly are, ****head!
> Steve
>
And you are spewing **** again, "never-spanked" boy! :-)

Doan

[R. Steve Walz]

Doan wrote:
>
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > You ****ty little liar!
> > > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!
> > > > > > > > > Doan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That is what you get for sticking my head up my own
> > > > > > > "****ty ass", never-spanked boy! :-)
> > > > > > > Doan
> > > > > >
> > > > > It's not only my nose, it's also my mouth,
> > > > > "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> > > > > Doan
> > > > ---------------------
> > > > That's where you keep spewing ****, alright.
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > Yep! Straight outa my mouth! :-0
> > > Doan
> >-----------
> > And you eat **** too, asshole!
> > Steve
>
> Yup! That's is why I'm known as a ****-spewing asshole,
> you "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> Doan
-------------
You certainly are, ****head!
Steve

[Doan]

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:

> Doan wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 18 Sep 2003, R. Steve Walz wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > You ****ty little liar!
> > > > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Oops! It's **** coming out of my mouth again!
> > > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That is what you get for sticking your head up my own
> > > > > > > > "****ty ass", never-spanked boy! :-)
> > > > > > > > Doan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > It's not only my nose, it's also my mouth,
> > > > > > "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> > > > > > Steve
> > > > > ---------------------
> > > > > That's where you keep spewing ****, alright.
> > > > > Steve
> > > > >
> > > > Yep! Straight outa my mouth! :-0
> > > > Steve
> > >-----------
> > > And you eat **** too, asshole!
> > > Steve
> >
> > Yup! That's is why I'm known as a ****-spewing asshole,
> > you "never-spanked" boy! :-)
> > Steve
> -------------
> You certainly are, ****head!
> Doan
>

[Greg Hanson]

Dan, Are you any better than them?
""If you don't answer me I MUST be right!!"" Hehehe

[Dan Sullivan]

"Greg Hanson" > wrote in message
om...
>
> Dan, Are you any better than them?

In what regard?

And who are you referring to?

> ""If you don't answer me I MUST be right!!"" Hehehe

"Hehehe?"

[Greg Hanson]

Dan,
Were you trying to teach them how to run a right proper FLAME war?
Your attempt to calm the cascade was amusing.

LaVonne was most entertaining, playing God, but then potty mouth
never spanked boy had to display his vocabulary.

I would like to see LaVonne step into the ring and
break up these two pugelists.

Show us your expertise as a peacemaker, LaVonne!

What do you propose, soothing music?
Irish Rebel Songs? "Come on out you Black and Tans"? No
Sea Shanties? "Blow The Man Down" No
Queen "I want it all" No

Maybe Enya will work? (Turned down low)
(Soothing Enya vibes play in background)

Do your stuff LaVonne! Increase the peace.

Quell that irrational anger.

[R. Steve Walz]

Greg Hanson wrote:
>
> Dan,
> Were you trying to teach them how to run a right proper FLAME war?
> Your attempt to calm the cascade was amusing.
>
> LaVonne was most entertaining, playing God, but then potty mouth
> never spanked boy had to display his vocabulary.
>
> I would like to see LaVonne step into the ring and
> break up these two pugelists.
>
> Show us your expertise as a peacemaker, LaVonne!
>
> What do you propose, soothing music?
> Irish Rebel Songs? "Come on out you Black and Tans"? No
> Sea Shanties? "Blow The Man Down" No
> Queen "I want it all" No
>
> Maybe Enya will work? (Turned down low)
> (Soothing Enya vibes play in background)
>
> Do your stuff LaVonne! Increase the peace.
>
> Quell that irrational anger.
-----------------
You're a posturing ****pile.
Steve

[Greg Hanson]

ROFL!!