Stumbo v DSS (North Carolina Appeals Ct. 2003)

[Fern5827]

Holding was that just the fact that a 2 yr old child was running around,
unclothed, in her her yard was not SUFFICIENT GROUNDS for DSS, CPS, CPA to open
an INTRUSIVE, COSTLY investigation into family's behavior.

Reference: http://www.hslda.org


BTW, this decision is IN LINE with California Court which stated, unequivocally
that caseworkers do NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO DEMAND ENTRANCE TO A HOME.

Calabretta v Floyd (California, 1999)

When in doubt, keep 'em out.....

http://www.familyrightsassociation.com

http://www.theacf.org California site, esp. Santa Clara county for folks
intimidated by DSS, CPS there.


Newsgroup alt support child protective services ascps

[Fern5827]

Subject: Re: Stumbo v DSS (North Carolina Appeals Ct. 2003)
From: (Fern5827)
Date: 9/29/2003 8:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: >

Thank you, Lavonne for forwarding this post to ascps.

The more the case law is studied and rehashed, the more abuses an impartial
observer can see that DSS, CPS creates against a totally innocent family in NC
like the Stumbos.

BTW,. the holding in NC was UNANIMOUS.

Which means just because an upset neighbor phones CPS on you, does NOT MEAN
that the Government has to launch an ALL OUT WAR against a family.

DFS is supposed to use discretion and the NC Court confirmed this.

IOW, just because you spank your daughter does not mean the Gvt. has the right
to take your kids away, or even OPEN a file.

You see, we fought a war against atrocities like that during the Hitler Youth
era.

http://www.tfra.org or com Texas site for folks to network against TDPRS.



Lavonne must be in agreement with the court's decisions: 2 Appeals Courts, in
different geographical areas.

>Subject: Re: Stumbo v DSS (North Carolina Appeals Ct. 2003)
>From: LaVonne Carlson
>Date: 9/29/2003 5:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
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>Fern5827 wrote:
>
>> Holding was that just the fact that a 2 yr old child was running around,
>> unclothed, in her her yard was not SUFFICIENT GROUNDS for DSS, CPS, CPA to
>open
>> an INTRUSIVE, COSTLY investigation into family's behavior.
>>
>> Reference: http://www.hslda.org
>>
>> BTW, this decision is IN LINE with California Court which stated,
>unequivocally
>> that caseworkers do NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO DEMAND ENTRANCE TO A HOME.
>>
>> Calabretta v Floyd (California, 1999)
>>
>> When in doubt, keep 'em out.....
>>
>> http://www.familyrightsassociation.com
>>
>> http://www.theacf.org California site, esp. Santa Clara county for
>folks
>> intimidated by DSS, CPS there.
>>
>> Newsgroup alt support child protective services ascps
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>

[LaVonne Carlson]

Fern5827 wrote:

> Subject: Re: Stumbo v DSS (North Carolina Appeals Ct. 2003)
> From: (Fern5827)
> Date: 9/29/2003 8:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> Message-id: >
>
> Thank you, Lavonne for forwarding this post to ascps.

You're welcome, Fern.

> IOW, just because you spank your daughter does not mean the Gvt. has the right
> to take your kids away, or even OPEN a file.

What about the parent who spanks his or her child on bare skin with a belt or
whip, breaking the skin and leaving severe welts, bruises and bleeding? Does the
"Gvt." have a right to "OPEN a file" or does the "Gvt." turn a blind eye to the
suffering of the little child because the parent is only spanking?

What about the parent who spanks his or her child hard enough to knock the child
down, and break bones? Does the "Gvt." have the right to "OPEN a file" or does
the "Gvt." ignore the child's injuries because they were the result of a
spanking?

You really care very little for children, Fern.

> You see, we fought a war against atrocities like that during the Hitler Youth
> era.

What a hoot! The "Hitler Youth era" was characterized by child protection
organizations investigating families for neglect and abuse of their children?
Weird understanding of history you have there, Fern.

LaVonne

[LaVonne Carlson]

Fern5827 wrote:

> Subject: Re: Stumbo v DSS (North Carolina Appeals Ct. 2003)
> From: (Fern5827)
> Date: 9/29/2003 8:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> Message-id: >

> IOW, just because you spank your daughter does not mean the Gvt. has the right
> to take your kids away, or even OPEN a file.

What if I had a son and spanked him? Does your position change with the gender
of the child?

LaVonne

[bobb]

"LaVonne Carlson" > wrote in message
...
> Fern5827 wrote:
>
> > Subject: Re: Stumbo v DSS (North Carolina Appeals Ct. 2003)
> > From: (Fern5827)
> > Date: 9/29/2003 8:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> > Message-id: >
> >
> > Thank you, Lavonne for forwarding this post to ascps.
>
> You're welcome, Fern.
>
> > IOW, just because you spank your daughter does not mean the Gvt. has the
right
> > to take your kids away, or even OPEN a file.
>
> What about the parent who spanks his or her child on bare skin with a belt
or
> whip, breaking the skin and leaving severe welts, bruises and bleeding?
Does the
> "Gvt." have a right to "OPEN a file" or does the "Gvt." turn a blind eye
to the
> suffering of the little child because the parent is only spanking?
>
> What about the parent who spanks his or her child hard enough to knock the
child
> down, and break bones? Does the "Gvt." have the right to "OPEN a file" or
does
> the "Gvt." ignore the child's injuries because they were the result of a
> spanking?
>
> You really care very little for children, Fern.
>
> > You see, we fought a war against atrocities like that during the Hitler
Youth
> > era.
>
> What a hoot! The "Hitler Youth era" was characterized by child protection
> organizations investigating families for neglect and abuse of their
children?
> Weird understanding of history you have there, Fern.
>
> LaVonne
>

There is a difference between spanking and beating... don't you know the
difference? Why is it when examples given they are always the extreme
rather than the norm?

By implication, you assume Fern is a child beater and does not care for
children... which is rather unfair.

bobb




bobb

[LaVonne Carlson]

bobb wrote (to me):

> There is a difference between spanking and beating... don't you know the
> difference? Why is it when examples given they are always the extreme
> rather than the norm?

The only difference between spanking and beating is the severity of the
assault. When an adult is the victim of assault, he/she is legally protected,
regardless of the severity. When a child is the victim, laws change. All
forms of corporal punishment are illegal for adults, including criminals in the
justice syustem. Yet we allow children to legally experience the same
punishment that is illegal in the US for even the most severe crimiinal.
Pretty bizarre, don't you think?

> By implication, you assume Fern is a child beater and does not care for
> children... which is rather unfair.

I don't assume anything about Fern. I know that she posts very little that
indicates a concern for children.

LaVonne

>
>
> bobb
>
> bobb

[Greg Hanson]

> > IOW, just because you spank your daughter does not mean
> > the Gvt. has the right to take your kids away, or even OPEN a file.

> What if I had a son and spanked him? Does your
> position change with the gender of the child?
> LaVonne

Why would you even think that?

I said before that your totalitarianism in
referring to spanking as beating will not
go over well. Only other anti-spank zealots
would not think badly of you for calling
all spanking "beating".

Fern's reference to the Nazi Youth has no connection?
Kids "telling" on their own parents?
Kids blackmailing parents "give me x or I'll tell"??

I knew a girl who was doing that in Foster care way
back in 1977. Had hopped through a whole SERIES of
foster parents making false sexual accusations.
Easy to figure out why she was IN Foster Care in the first place!

But the ""experts"" couldn't figure out the scam
that she bragged about to half the school?

No WONDER Foster Care providers get a lot of false accusations!

But the system rarely if ever, considers that the
accusation that REMOVED the kid was similarly false.

[Doan]

On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, LaVonne Carlson wrote:

>
>
> bobb wrote (to me):
>
> > There is a difference between spanking and beating... don't you know the
> > difference? Why is it when examples given they are always the extreme
> > rather than the norm?
>
> The only difference between spanking and beating is the severity of the
> assault.

And the only difference between night and day is the amount of light!

Doan

[Kane]

Doan > wrote in message >...
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, LaVonne Carlson wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > bobb wrote (to me):
> >
> > > There is a difference between spanking and beating... don't you know the
> > > difference? Why is it when examples given they are always the extreme
> > > rather than the norm?
> >
> > The only difference between spanking and beating is the severity of the
> > assault.
>
> And the only difference between night and day is the amount of light!

And the only difference between Doan and dumb is they contain the same
number of characters.

>
> Doan

Kane

[Doan]

On 3 Oct 2003, Kane wrote:

> Doan > wrote in message >...
> > On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, LaVonne Carlson wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > bobb wrote (to me):
> > >
> > > > There is a difference between spanking and beating... don't you know the
> > > > difference? Why is it when examples given they are always the extreme
> > > > rather than the norm?
> > >
> > > The only difference between spanking and beating is the severity of the
> > > assault.
> >
> > And the only difference between night and day is the amount of light!
>
> And the only difference between Doan and dumb is they contain the same
> number of characters.
>
So is Kane! :-)

Doan

[LaVonne Carlson]

Can't really debate, doan? Have to resort to meaningless one-liners? Your
response posted for the world to see. What a wimp and bully you seem to be. No
wonder you lost your children.

LaVonne

Doan wrote:

> On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, LaVonne Carlson wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > bobb wrote (to me):
> >
> > > There is a difference between spanking and beating... don't you know the
> > > difference? Why is it when examples given they are always the extreme
> > > rather than the norm?
> >
> > The only difference between spanking and beating is the severity of the
> > assault.
>
> And the only difference between night and day is the amount of light!
>
> Doan

[Doan]

I'll debate you anytime. You are the one that is running away from
debating me. The one-liner is just to show you the foolishness of
your logic. Logic and the anti-spanking zealotS, are they mutually
exclusive??? ;-)

Doan

On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, LaVonne Carlson wrote:

> Can't really debate, doan? Have to resort to meaningless one-liners? Your
> response posted for the world to see. What a wimp and bully you seem to be. No
> wonder you lost your children.
>
> LaVonne
>
> Doan wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, LaVonne Carlson wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > bobb wrote (to me):
> > >
> > > > There is a difference between spanking and beating... don't you know the
> > > > difference? Why is it when examples given they are always the extreme
> > > > rather than the norm?
> > >
> > > The only difference between spanking and beating is the severity of the
> > > assault.
> >
> > And the only difference between night and day is the amount of light!
> >
> > Doan
>
>

[Doan]

On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, LaVonne Carlson wrote:

> Can't really debate, doan? Have to resort to meaningless one-liners? Your
> response posted for the world to see. What a wimp and bully you seem to be. No
> wonder you lost your children.
>
What a liar? When did I said I lost children or have children, LaVonne?
Come on, LaVonne. Are you this desperated???

Doan