Re: It's slow in here!

[H Schinske]

wrote:

>Henry and Ella (7 Wks 2 days), although they've doubled in weight, have not
>started sleeping more than 3-4 hour stretches at night. We go to the
>pediatrician this friday, so perhaps we can begin to try to stretch out the
>hours at night and finally get a good stretch of sleep

Sorry to break it to you, but 3-4 hours IS a good stretch of sleep at this age!


--Helen

[Truffles]

W wrote:

> When did your twins/triplets begin sleeping through the night? I'm
> interested in hearing your experiences.

Depends on your definition of sleeping through the night. The AAP's
definition is 5 hours.

Mine are 21 months old and they don't sleep through the night in that
they wake up briefly to move over to their second beds in our room.

--
Brigitte aa #2145
edd #3 February 15, 2004
http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/j/joshuaandkaterina/

"Readers are plentiful; thinkers are rare."
~ Harriet Martineau

[David desJardins]

Jonathan writes:
> David, if I defined "sleeping through the night" as sleeping from 12
> to 5 a.m., how often does that happen?

Almost never. They usually go to bed between 10 and 11 pm. Sarah tends
to wake up more earlier in the night, so she'll often wake between 12
and 2, but fairly easily go back to sleep, and occasionally will then
sleep until morning (getting up sometime between 7 and 8:30), although
often she has 2-3 awakenings, 1-2 hours apart. Sometimes she has night
terrors and then will be "awake" (screaming but not really coherent,
with her eyes closed) for a half hour or so. Louis will sleep more
soundly during the first part of the night, but he tends to wake between
2 and 4. He doesn't have the night terrors, but he's often harder to
calm back to sleep in his ordinary mood; he just likes being awake.

David desJardins

[W]

"The Fackrell's" > surveyed the damage, then,
boldy dove into the melee, yelling something about:

> I'm sorry, what is DW???

DW = Dear Wife (I learned that in this group as well!)

> and YES, You should become a SAHD!! why not??!!!

I keep calling DW "Sugar Momma", and she doesn't seem to mind! ;-)

> As for sleeping in longer stretches or possibly through the
> night.....good luck! You may luck out and have them start sleeping the
> majority of the night anytime now (my twins started at 2.5months,
> their older brother at 3mos) but some take over a year!!! If you're
> bottle-feeding you can add a slight amount of rice cereal into the
> bottle at nighttime @ 3mos or so....this will give them something that
> will "stick to the ribs" per se and they'll sleep longer....it worked
> for all 3 of mine!!

We are bottle feeding, and we'll be talking to our pediatrician this Friday
so we'll ask what she recommends.

Thanks for the reply!

--
Jonathan

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H.S.

[W]

(H Schinske) surveyed the damage, then, boldy dove
into the melee, yelling something about:

>>Henry and Ella (7 Wks 2 days), although they've doubled in weight,
>>have not started sleeping more than 3-4 hour stretches at night. We
>>go to the pediatrician this friday, so perhaps we can begin to try to
>>stretch out the hours at night and finally get a good stretch of sleep
>
> Sorry to break it to you, but 3-4 hours IS a good stretch of sleep at
> this age!

Don't be sorry--we've actually become accustomed to this schedule. What's
really nice is that they rarely wake up before the "schedule" hits the 3-
hour mark. We're glad they enjoy their sleepy time!

--
Jonathan

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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H.S.

[W]

David desJardins > surveyed the damage, then, boldy
dove into the melee, yelling something about:

>> When did your twins/triplets begin sleeping through the night? I'm
>> interested in hearing your experiences.
>
> It hasn't happened yet. They wake up once or twice each. (Perhaps once
> a week, one or the other will go all night without waking up.) Last
> night, Louis was awake for about two hours (2am-4am); he just wouldn't
> go back to sleep. But that's fairly unusual these days.
>
> They will be 3 in September.

David, if I defined "sleeping through the night" as sleeping from 12 to 5
a.m., how often does that happen? We'd both be really pleased with that
sort of schedule.

I guess even I didn't always (before kids) "sleep through the night"
according to my own definition! ;-)

--
Jonathan

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let us all bask in television's warm glowing warming glow.

H.S.

[Ellen Kmetz]

Hi Jonathan,

My twins slept thru the night at about 10 weeks. They now go to bed between 7
& 8 and sleep 12 hrs. straight. Yours are doing great for their age. It may
happen like it did for us...one night they just won't wake up for that feeding!


Take care,

Ellen
--------
Erin 6/26/95
Bradley & Alex 10/5/00

[David desJardins]

Ellen Kmetz writes:
> My twins slept thru the night at about 10 weeks. They now go to bed
> between 7 & 8 and sleep 12 hrs. straight. Yours are doing great for
> their age. It may happen like it did for us...one night they just
> won't wake up for that feeding!

> Bradley & Alex 10/5/00

It's amazing how different children can be from one another. My twins
are the same age as yours, and I don't think either one has slept 12
hours straight in their entire lives. They rarely sleep 12 hours out of
24, even including a nap. (I assume yours take a nap, too?)

David desJardins

[The Fackrell's]

Well, I guess if this Dr Thomas says it then it MUST be so....puhleez! I
know Dr. James Day and Dr. Richard Gould and his Assoc (whose name escapes
me right now, highly suggest it!) sorry, I'm feelin honery tonight! :)
Myth or not, I simply SUGGESTED it since it worked the very night I tried
it, when my first born turned 3 mos to the day and also worked on BOTH my
twins at 2.5 mos (gee thats 12weeks and 10w?d old.....outside of the "great
Dr Thomas' timeline....which btw, I don't think its even suggest introducing
cereals until at least 3 mos - yup, I stepped outside of industry standards
and went by my own gut feeling! I'm the Mom, I can do that!).....plus it has
worked with EVERYONE that I know of! Hey, if it helps it helps if not, onto
the next suggestion...what ever works!! :)

Gwen....who feels kinds dumb for not being able to interpret
DW....lol...understandable I guess, since I would never use it...I use DH!
lol

[Gerhild S.]

W wrote:

> When did your twins/triplets begin sleeping through the night? I'm
> interested in hearing your experiences.

Talking of different types of kids: DD slept through at 10 weeks, DS
doesn't reliably even now, at 10+ months, he wakes up at around 2-3 in
the morning (and a lot more when he's sick as he was last week).

Technically even DS is considered "sleeping through" as he goes to bed
at 8-9 pm and gets up at 5-6 pm, so, yes, there *is* an uninterrupted
6-hours period of sleep. However, it does not coincide with mine ;-)

[Shirley M...have a goodaa \\;-\)]

Chris and Kathleen did not sleep through the night until probably 18 to 19
months, and then like someone else it only meant they didn't get up at 1 but
somewhere about 3 or 4 and then slept until 7 or 8. My MIL said my DH
didn't sleep through the night until 17 months - maybe genetics.

OT: The twins got their braces Monday! Both have severe jaw issues that we
are trying to catch before they become candidates for surgery (severe class
3 -underbite). Kathleen actually has a squared upper jaw because if it and
Chris is having trouble with some tooth erosion from the way he bits
backwards and teeth that aren't coming through because of no room. They
chose different things which is interesting, Chris wanted the gold and
Kathleen was pink. So for a year they will be banded. It looks strange -
it adds to the "grown up" look. I will have 3rd graders in little less than
a month. Gosh guys - where does the time fly. Listening to all of you
write about sleep schedules makes me just cry.

Also OT: Not only have we lost our precious puppy of 12 years, and of
course you all know my dad died in February, but my MIL who we are living
with to take care (87 almost 88) has had a turn for the worst. She barely
gets out of bed except to eat, sleeps all day and walking is a chore even
with a walker. It's so sad. They did an MRI and we should shortly see if
there is something that was missed from her visit to the ER with severe head
pain. The nurse talked to us the other day and said that she has all the
symptoms of wanting to be ready to go. I really don't need another death
again.

Any how, hope all are enjoying their summer.

Shirley
Chris and Kathleen 1/95
the braces twins!
"Gerhild S." > wrote in message
...
> W wrote:
>
> > When did your twins/triplets begin sleeping through the night? I'm
> > interested in hearing your experiences.
>
> Talking of different types of kids: DD slept through at 10 weeks, DS
> doesn't reliably even now, at 10+ months, he wakes up at around 2-3 in
> the morning (and a lot more when he's sick as he was last week).
>
> Technically even DS is considered "sleeping through" as he goes to bed
> at 8-9 pm and gets up at 5-6 pm, so, yes, there *is* an uninterrupted
> 6-hours period of sleep. However, it does not coincide with mine ;-)
>

[Andrea]

Jonathan-

I agree, it has been slow around here. Are people on vacation? I miss reading
posts so I'm glad you jumped in with this one. :)

>When did your twins/triplets begin sleeping through the night? I'm
>interested in hearing your experiences.

Jordan slept through the night for the first time when she was 8 weeks old, but
the following night she didn't. A week or so later Madison slept through the
night once. The day I got them on a schedule (at 3 1/2 months) they started
sleeping through the night every night.

Congratulations to your DW on her new job! :)

Good luck with the daycare transition.

Andrea
twin girls-Jordan & Madison
3 yrs. old

[H Schinske]

>Well, I guess if this Dr Thomas says it then it MUST be so....puhleez!

Goodness, I didn't mean to attack you, Gwen! I quoted Dr. Thomas's web site
because it seemed to me to be the best-written summary I could find of why
giving cereal to infants doesn't make them sleep through the night.

Here's an example of a study:

": Am J Dis Child. 1989 Sep;143(9):1066-8. Related Articles, Links


Infant sleep and bedtime cereal.

Macknin ML, Medendorp SV, Maier MC.

Department of Pediatrics, Cleveland Clinic Foundation, OH 44195-5045.

We studied whether feeding infants rice cereal before bedtime promotes their
sleeping through the night. One hundred six infants were randomly assigned to
begin bedtime cereal feeding (1 tablespoon per ounce in a bottle) at 5 weeks or
at 4 months of age. Caretakers recorded the infant's sleep from age 4 to 21
weeks for one 24-hour period per week. Sleeping through the night was defined
as sleeping at least 8 consecutive hours, with the majority of time being
between the hours of midnight and 6 AM. The results were also reviewed changing
the requirement from 8 hours to 6 hours. There was no statistically significant
trend or a consistent tendency of one group to have a higher proportion of
sleepers than the other. Therefore, feeding infants rice cereal in the bottle
before bedtime does not appear to make much difference in their sleeping
through the night.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Randomized Controlled Trial"

And here is some evidence that the general belief in the medical community is
against early introduction of solids (I apologize for the condescending tone of
this abstract! it isn't mine!):

" Pediatrics. 2001 May;107(5):E67. Related Articles, Links


Home and videotape intervention delays early complementary feeding among
adolescent mothers.

Black MM, Siegel EH, Abel Y, Bentley ME.

Department of Pediatrics, University of Maryland School of Medicine, Baltimore,
Maryland 21201, USA.

BACKGROUND: The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Special Supplemental
Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and the World Health
Organization recommend that infants receive only breast milk or formula for the
first 4 to 6 months of life, followed by the introduction of complementary
foods. Despite these recommendations, many infants, particularly those with
adolescent mothers, receive solid foods (often cereal mixed with formula in a
bottle) and liquids other than formula or breast milk in the first few weeks of
life. Decisions on early feeding are often guided by grandmothers and
influenced by beliefs that infants need complementary food to counteract
signals of hunger, reduce crying, and sleep through the night. OBJECTIVE: This
investigation evaluated the efficacy of an intervention to delay the early
introduction of complementary feeding among first-time, black, adolescent
mothers living in multigenerational households. The intervention focused on
reducing the cultural barriers to the acceptance of the recommendations of the
American Academy of Pediatrics, WIC, and World Health Organization on
complementary feeding by highlighting 3 topics: 1) recognition of infants'
cues; 2) nonfood strategies for managing infant behavior; and 3)
mother-grandmother negotiation strategies. The intervention was delivered
through a mentorship model in which a videotape made by an advisory group of
black adolescent mothers was incorporated into a home-visiting program and
evaluated through a randomized, controlled trial. METHODS: One hundred
eighty-one first-time, low-income, black mothers <18 years old, living in
multigenerational households were recruited from 3 urban hospitals. Infants
were born at term, with birth weight appropriate for gestational age and no
congenital problems. Shortly after delivery, mothers and grandmothers completed
a baseline assessment and mothers were randomized into an intervention or
control group. Intervention group mothers received home visitation every other
week for 1 year. At 3 months, a subset of 121 adolescent mothers reported on
their infant's intake through a food frequency questionnaire. Mothers who fed
their infant only breast milk, formula, or water were classified as optimal
feeders. Mothers who provided complementary foods other than breast milk,
formula, or water were classified as less optimal feeders. RESULTS: Sixty-one
percent of the infants received complementary foods before 3 months old.
Multivariate hierarchical logistic regression was used to evaluate the
determinants of being in the optimal versus less optimal feeders group. After
controlling for infant age and family income, mothers of infants in the optimal
feeders group were more likely to report accurate messages from WIC regarding
the timing of complementary food and nearly 4 times more likely to be in the
intervention group. The most common complementary food was cereal mixed with
formula in the bottle. CONCLUSIONS: The success of this relatively brief
intervention demonstrates the importance of using ecological theory and
ethnographic research to design interventions that enable participants to alter
their behavior in the face of contradictory cultural norms. The intervention
focused on interpreting infants' cues, nonfood methods of managing infant
behavior, and mother-grandmother negotiations. It was delivered through methods
that were familiar and acceptable to adolescent mothers-a mentorship model
incorporating home visits and videotape. The skill-oriented aspects of the
intervention delivered in a culturally sensitive context may have enabled the
young mothers to follow the guidelines that they received from WIC and from
their pediatricians. Strategies, such as those used in this intervention, may
be effective in promoting other caregiving recommendations, thereby enabling
providers to meet the increasing demands from parents for advice regarding
children's early growth and development.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Multicenter Study
Randomized Controlled Trial "

[The Fackrell's]

no problem, like I said, I was feeling a bit honery!!
but uh, have you broken down these articles??? The first one admits to only
recording data for 1 day per week....and they first classified their
sleeping requirements at a FULL 8 hours...then changed it to 6....we already
know that 5 hours is considered *sleeping through the night*....and not that
my opinion means anything but....I think they started the
feedings/recordings WAY too early!!! at 5 and 4 WEEKS!!!??!!! C'mon ...
that's barely a month old! ....and roughly crunching numbers...the median
for when they began Feeding was 12.2w (2.8months) and the median for
Recording was at 17weeks (3.95Mos!) That's quiet a difference when you're
talking about babies!

And the second article....HUH???!!! It's about Minorities, Adolescent, and
low-income Moms (not even that, *just* low income black teen moms) and how
they listen (and/or don't listen) to their moms/grandmothers!!....oh my,
there's so much to this one....it was based on a video tape, made by other
black teens, to be shown to the subject group...Oh, how I want to go on, but
you can break it down yourself....I'm losing critical house cleaning time
while my twins are sleeping (shame on me!!) lol.....and once I get out of my
newsgroup file, it deletes everything I've already read, so I won't be able
to come back to this....no, I'm not downloading everything again!! LOL
UG, I despise housecleaning!! :)
--
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> We studied whether feeding infants rice cereal before bedtime promotes
their
> sleeping through the night. One hundred six infants were randomly assigned
to
> begin bedtime cereal feeding (1 tablespoon per ounce in a bottle) at 5
weeks or
> at 4 months of age. Caretakers recorded the infant's sleep from age 4 to
21
> weeks for one 24-hour period per week. Sleeping through the night was
defined
> as sleeping at least 8 consecutive hours, with the majority of time being
> between the hours of midnight and 6 AM. The results were also reviewed
changing
> the requirement from 8 hours to 6 hours. There was no statistically
significant
> trend or a consistent tendency of one group to have a higher proportion of
> sleepers than the other. Therefore, feeding infants rice cereal in the
bottle
> before bedtime does not appear to make much difference in their sleeping
> through the night.
>
> Publication Types:
> Clinical Trial
> Randomized Controlled Trial"
>
> And here is some evidence that the general belief in the medical community
is
> against early introduction of solids (I apologize for the condescending
tone of
> this abstract! it isn't mine!):
>
> " Pediatrics. 2001 May;107(5):E67. Related Articles, Links
>
>
> Home and videotape intervention delays early complementary feeding among
> adolescent mothers.
>
> Black MM, Siegel EH, Abel Y, Bentley ME.
>
> Department of Pediatrics, University of Maryland School of Medicine,
Baltimore,
> Maryland 21201, USA.
>
> BACKGROUND: The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Special Supplemental
> Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and the World
Health
> Organization recommend that infants receive only breast milk or formula
for the
> first 4 to 6 months of life, followed by the introduction of complementary
> foods. Despite these recommendations, many infants, particularly those
with
> adolescent mothers, receive solid foods (often cereal mixed with formula
in a
> bottle) and liquids other than formula or breast milk in the first few
weeks of
> life. Decisions on early feeding are often guided by grandmothers and
> influenced by beliefs that infants need complementary food to counteract
> signals of hunger, reduce crying, and sleep through the night. OBJECTIVE:
This
> investigation evaluated the efficacy of an intervention to delay the early
> introduction of complementary feeding among first-time, black, adolescent
> mothers living in multigenerational households. The intervention focused
on
> reducing the cultural barriers to the acceptance of the recommendations of
the
> American Academy of Pediatrics, WIC, and World Health Organization on
> complementary feeding by highlighting 3 topics: 1) recognition of infants'
> cues; 2) nonfood strategies for managing infant behavior; and 3)
> mother-grandmother negotiation strategies. The intervention was delivered
> through a mentorship model in which a videotape made by an advisory group
of
> black adolescent mothers was incorporated into a home-visiting program and
> evaluated through a randomized, controlled trial. METHODS: One hundred
> eighty-one first-time, low-income, black mothers <18 years old, living in
> multigenerational households were recruited from 3 urban hospitals.
Infants
> were born at term, with birth weight appropriate for gestational age and
no
> congenital problems. Shortly after delivery, mothers and grandmothers
completed
> a baseline assessment and mothers were randomized into an intervention or
> control group. Intervention group mothers received home visitation every
other
> week for 1 year. At 3 months, a subset of 121 adolescent mothers reported
on
> their infant's intake through a food frequency questionnaire. Mothers who
fed
> their infant only breast milk, formula, or water were classified as
optimal
> feeders. Mothers who provided complementary foods other than breast milk,
> formula, or water were classified as less optimal feeders. RESULTS:
Sixty-one
> percent of the infants received complementary foods before 3 months old.
> Multivariate hierarchical logistic regression was used to evaluate the
> determinants of being in the optimal versus less optimal feeders group.
After
> controlling for infant age and family income, mothers of infants in the
optimal
> feeders group were more likely to report accurate messages from WIC
regarding
> the timing of complementary food and nearly 4 times more likely to be in
the
> intervention group. The most common complementary food was cereal mixed
with
> formula in the bottle. CONCLUSIONS: The success of this relatively brief
> intervention demonstrates the importance of using ecological theory and
> ethnographic research to design interventions that enable participants to
alter
> their behavior in the face of contradictory cultural norms. The
intervention
> focused on interpreting infants' cues, nonfood methods of managing infant
> behavior, and mother-grandmother negotiations. It was delivered through
methods
> that were familiar and acceptable to adolescent mothers-a mentorship model
> incorporating home visits and videotape. The skill-oriented aspects of the
> intervention delivered in a culturally sensitive context may have enabled
the
> young mothers to follow the guidelines that they received from WIC and
from
> their pediatricians. Strategies, such as those used in this intervention,
may
> be effective in promoting other caregiving recommendations, thereby
enabling
> providers to meet the increasing demands from parents for advice regarding
> children's early growth and development.
>
> Publication Types:
> Clinical Trial
> Multicenter Study
> Randomized Controlled Trial "

[H Schinske]

Gwen ) wrote:

>And the second article....HUH???!!! It's about Minorities, Adolescent, and
>low-income Moms (not even that, *just* low income black teen moms) and how
>they listen (and/or don't listen) to their moms/grandmothers!!.

I'm not talking about the validity of that study at all. I too think it sounded
stupid and condescending. The point was that it spelled out the current
recommendations. "The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Special Supplemental
Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and the World Health
Organization recommend that infants receive only breast milk or formula for the
first 4 to 6 months of life, followed by the introduction of complementary
foods." That was the part I was focusing on.

--Helen

[The Fackrell's]

lol...ok, if I had time I was going to point out that only that one sentence
was reflective of those organizations....LOL...whew, I feel better now! it
was fun reading it though and breaking it down.....it was nice to see my
brain again! I guess there's hope of a recovery from "momma mush brain"! lol
The sad thing is that someone funded that "study"...talk about money best
used elsewhere!
:)
--
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"H Schinske" > wrote in message
...
> Gwen ) wrote:
>
> >And the second article....HUH???!!! It's about Minorities, Adolescent,
and
> >low-income Moms (not even that, *just* low income black teen moms) and
how
> >they listen (and/or don't listen) to their moms/grandmothers!!.
>
> I'm not talking about the validity of that study at all. I too think it
sounded
> stupid and condescending. The point was that it spelled out the current
> recommendations. "The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Special
Supplemental
> Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and the World
Health
> Organization recommend that infants receive only breast milk or formula
for the
> first 4 to 6 months of life, followed by the introduction of complementary
> foods." That was the part I was focusing on.
>
> --Helen

[The Fackrell's]

lol...ok, if I had time I was going to point out that only that one sentence
was reflective of those organizations....LOL...whew, I feel better now! it
was fun reading it though and breaking it down.....it was nice to see my
brain again! I guess there's hope of a recovery from "momma mush brain"! lol
The sad thing is that someone funded that "study"...talk about money best
used elsewhere!
:)
--
Gwen, Designer Wraps
SAHM to James (9-98) Austin and Amber (5-02)


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"H Schinske" > wrote in message
...
> Gwen ) wrote:
>
> >And the second article....HUH???!!! It's about Minorities, Adolescent,
and
> >low-income Moms (not even that, *just* low income black teen moms) and
how
> >they listen (and/or don't listen) to their moms/grandmothers!!.
>
> I'm not talking about the validity of that study at all. I too think it
sounded
> stupid and condescending. The point was that it spelled out the current
> recommendations. "The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Special
Supplemental
> Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and the World
Health
> Organization recommend that infants receive only breast milk or formula
for the
> first 4 to 6 months of life, followed by the introduction of complementary
> foods." That was the part I was focusing on.
>
> --Helen

[The Fackrell's]

lol...ok, if I had time I was going to point out that only that one sentence
was reflective of those organizations....LOL...whew, I feel better now! it
was fun reading it though and breaking it down.....it was nice to see my
brain again! I guess there's hope of a recovery from "momma mush brain"! lol
The sad thing is that someone funded that "study"...talk about money best
used elsewhere!
:)
--
Gwen, Designer Wraps
SAHM to James (9-98) Austin and Amber (5-02)


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"H Schinske" > wrote in message
...
> Gwen ) wrote:
>
> >And the second article....HUH???!!! It's about Minorities, Adolescent,
and
> >low-income Moms (not even that, *just* low income black teen moms) and
how
> >they listen (and/or don't listen) to their moms/grandmothers!!.
>
> I'm not talking about the validity of that study at all. I too think it
sounded
> stupid and condescending. The point was that it spelled out the current
> recommendations. "The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Special
Supplemental
> Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and the World
Health
> Organization recommend that infants receive only breast milk or formula
for the
> first 4 to 6 months of life, followed by the introduction of complementary
> foods." That was the part I was focusing on.
>
> --Helen

[The Fackrell's]

lol...ok, if I had time I was going to point out that only that one sentence
was reflective of those organizations....LOL...whew, I feel better now! it
was fun reading it though and breaking it down.....it was nice to see my
brain again! I guess there's hope of a recovery from "momma mush brain"! lol
The sad thing is that someone funded that "study"...talk about money best
used elsewhere!
:)
--
Gwen, Designer Wraps
SAHM to James (9-98) Austin and Amber (5-02)


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"H Schinske" > wrote in message
...
> Gwen ) wrote:
>
> >And the second article....HUH???!!! It's about Minorities, Adolescent,
and
> >low-income Moms (not even that, *just* low income black teen moms) and
how
> >they listen (and/or don't listen) to their moms/grandmothers!!.
>
> I'm not talking about the validity of that study at all. I too think it
sounded
> stupid and condescending. The point was that it spelled out the current
> recommendations. "The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Special
Supplemental
> Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and the World
Health
> Organization recommend that infants receive only breast milk or formula
for the
> first 4 to 6 months of life, followed by the introduction of complementary
> foods." That was the part I was focusing on.
>
> --Helen

[The Fackrell's]

lol...ok, if I had time I was going to point out that only that one sentence
was reflective of those organizations....LOL...whew, I feel better now! it
was fun reading it though and breaking it down.....it was nice to see my
brain again! I guess there's hope of a recovery from "momma mush brain"! lol
The sad thing is that someone funded that "study"...talk about money best
used elsewhere!
:)
--
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"H Schinske" > wrote in message
...
> Gwen ) wrote:
>
> >And the second article....HUH???!!! It's about Minorities, Adolescent,
and
> >low-income Moms (not even that, *just* low income black teen moms) and
how
> >they listen (and/or don't listen) to their moms/grandmothers!!.
>
> I'm not talking about the validity of that study at all. I too think it
sounded
> stupid and condescending. The point was that it spelled out the current
> recommendations. "The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Special
Supplemental
> Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and the World
Health
> Organization recommend that infants receive only breast milk or formula
for the
> first 4 to 6 months of life, followed by the introduction of complementary
> foods." That was the part I was focusing on.
>
> --Helen

[The Fackrell's]

lol...ok, if I had time I was going to point out that only that one sentence
was reflective of those organizations....LOL...whew, I feel better now! it
was fun reading it though and breaking it down.....it was nice to see my
brain again! I guess there's hope of a recovery from "momma mush brain"! lol
The sad thing is that someone funded that "study"...talk about money best
used elsewhere!
:)
--
Gwen, Designer Wraps
SAHM to James (9-98) Austin and Amber (5-02)


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"H Schinske" > wrote in message
...
> Gwen ) wrote:
>
> >And the second article....HUH???!!! It's about Minorities, Adolescent,
and
> >low-income Moms (not even that, *just* low income black teen moms) and
how
> >they listen (and/or don't listen) to their moms/grandmothers!!.
>
> I'm not talking about the validity of that study at all. I too think it
sounded
> stupid and condescending. The point was that it spelled out the current
> recommendations. "The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Special
Supplemental
> Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and the World
Health
> Organization recommend that infants receive only breast milk or formula
for the
> first 4 to 6 months of life, followed by the introduction of complementary
> foods." That was the part I was focusing on.
>
> --Helen

[The Fackrell's]

Can ya tell I had server problems today???

--
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"The Fackrell's" > wrote in message
et...
> lol...ok, if I had time I was going to point out that only that one
sentence
> was reflective of those organizations....LOL...whew, I feel better now! it
> was fun reading it though and breaking it down.....it was nice to see my
> brain again! I guess there's hope of a recovery from "momma mush brain"!
lol
> The sad thing is that someone funded that "study"...talk about money best
> used elsewhere!
> :)
> --
> Gwen, Designer Wraps
> SAHM to James (9-98) Austin and Amber (5-02)
>
>
> tired of eBay? Try these great alternatives!
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> can use it too!)
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>
> "H Schinske" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Gwen ) wrote:
> >
> > >And the second article....HUH???!!! It's about Minorities, Adolescent,
> and
> > >low-income Moms (not even that, *just* low income black teen moms) and
> how
> > >they listen (and/or don't listen) to their moms/grandmothers!!.
> >
> > I'm not talking about the validity of that study at all. I too think it
> sounded
> > stupid and condescending. The point was that it spelled out the current
> > recommendations. "The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Special
> Supplemental
> > Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and the World
> Health
> > Organization recommend that infants receive only breast milk or formula
> for the
> > first 4 to 6 months of life, followed by the introduction of
complementary
> > foods." That was the part I was focusing on.
> >
> > --Helen
>
>

[W]

"The Fackrell's" > surveyed the damage, then,
boldy dove into the melee, yelling something about:

> Can ya tell I had server problems today???

Well, it's certainly not slow in here anymore!! ;-)

--
Jonathan

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let us all bask in television's warm glowing warming glow.

H.S.

[Leslie]

"David desJardins" > wrote in message
...
> Jonathan writes:
> > When did your twins/triplets begin sleeping through the night? I'm
> > interested in hearing your experiences.
>
> It hasn't happened yet. They wake up once or twice each. (Perhaps once
> a week, one or the other will go all night without waking up.) Last
> night, Louis was awake for about two hours (2am-4am); he just wouldn't
> go back to sleep. But that's fairly unusual these days.
>
> They will be 3 in September.
>
> David desJardins

My kids were about the same as David's with regards to sleep habits. They
turned 3 in May and have only been sleeping consistently through the night
for a few months now. It's not so bad now, since when they do wake up, they
just come crawl in my bed and go back to sleep. Until 18 months or so, they
woke up every 2-4 hours. After that, when they weaned off of breastfeeding,
they started waking every 4-5 hours. I've heard that bottle fed babies tend
to sleep through earlier, but I don't have experience with that.

Leslie
Alex and Jordan, 3 years old

[The Fackrell's]

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"The Fackrell's" > wrote in message
et...
> lol...ok, if I had time I was going to point out that only that one
sentence
> was reflective of those organizations....LOL...whew, I feel better now! it
> was fun reading it though and breaking it down.....it was nice to see my
> brain again! I guess there's hope of a recovery from "momma mush brain"!
lol
> The sad thing is that someone funded that "study"...talk about money best
> used elsewhere!
> :)
> --
> Gwen, Designer Wraps
> SAHM to James (9-98) Austin and Amber (5-02)
>
>
> tired of eBay? Try these great alternatives!
> www.tobuytwo.com ....auction house for families of multiples (but
singletons
> can use it too!)
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> www.wahmauctions.com
>
> "H Schinske" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Gwen ) wrote:
> >
> > >And the second article....HUH???!!! It's about Minorities, Adolescent,
> and
> > >low-income Moms (not even that, *just* low income black teen moms) and
> how
> > >they listen (and/or don't listen) to their moms/grandmothers!!.
> >
> > I'm not talking about the validity of that study at all. I too think it
> sounded
> > stupid and condescending. The point was that it spelled out the current
> > recommendations. "The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Special
> Supplemental
> > Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and the World
> Health
> > Organization recommend that infants receive only breast milk or formula
> for the
> > first 4 to 6 months of life, followed by the introduction of
complementary
> > foods." That was the part I was focusing on.
> >
> > --Helen
>
>

[Ellen Kmetz]

>It's amazing how different children can be from one another. My twins
>are the same age as yours, and I don't think either one has slept 12
>hours straight in their entire lives. They rarely sleep 12 hours out of
>24, even including a nap. (I assume yours take a nap, too?)
>

David,

Alex still takes a 2-hr. nap but B. will only nap about once a week, on the
couch for an hour or so. I guess we will never know what makes some kids
longer (I hate to use the word "better") sleepers than others...I guess some
just don't require as much sleep.


Ellen
--------
Erin 6/26/95
Bradley & Alex 10/5/00

[David desJardins]

Ellen Kmetz writes:
>> It's amazing how different children can be from one another. My twins
>> are the same age as yours, and I don't think either one has slept 12
>> hours straight in their entire lives. They rarely sleep 12 hours out of
>> 24, even including a nap. (I assume yours take a nap, too?)
>
> Alex still takes a 2-hr. nap but B. will only nap about once a week,
> on the couch for an hour or so. I guess we will never know what makes
> some kids longer (I hate to use the word "better") sleepers than
> others... I guess some just don't require as much sleep.

Or don't sleep as soundly (although you would think that would mean they
would sleep longer to make up for it). Louis is a very restless
sleeper, and Sarah has night terrors and seems generally uncomfortable
with nighttime. But that doesn't seem to mean more sleep, and they
don't seem tired during the day (for the most part). Go figure.

Thanks for not saying "better sleeper". I hate that, too.

David desJardins