Re: Saerah, you're getting what you deserve

[Mirella]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:14:03 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous via the Cypherpunks
Tonga Remailer > wrote:

>But for the sake of the peace, WE will stop. But be warned, just disappear.
>Say nothing in
>that group. Just disappear. Vanish into thin air. Never come back, for any
>reason.
>
>To the rest of AMPJ: We wish this had not been made necessary, but Saerah left
>us no
>choice.

You _always_ have the choice to behave or not.

>As our colleague posted earlier, we hope you will apply peer pressure
>to Saerah to
>convince her that further posting in the other group is a bad idea.

I don't believe in blackmail and threaths like above. If this is the way
you (all) behave in another newsgroup, you deserve it if Saerah or real
trolls keep posting to your newsgroup.
I back her up, being the victim of the same troll after only reacting in
the discussion.
And I use my own name, being not such a coward.

groetjes,
Mirella :)

"don't need a helmet, got a hard, hard head"
--
<http://pearljam.start4all.com> (International)<http://pearljam.startkabel.nl> (Nederlands)

[Laurie Hester]

Just a suggestion... if you have her address, why not send her pizzas or
egg her house or send her a virus or subscribe her to a bunch of
magazines or something? Why punish the innocent people of amp-j?

Just a few people who think they own this ng have complained about
Saerah. The rest know how to mark thread read or put names in their
killfile, so your antics aren't likely to do much good. Go after Saerah
where it will hurt her; your efforts are wasted here.

Fritz Wuehler wrote:
>
> In article >, a unique individual
>
> > wrote:
>
> > > it was decided that parents of
> > >any kind be made personae non grata in the group's charter.
> >
> > simply not true. have you read their charter?
>
> Why yes, and clearly you have not. But then again, if it weren't for speech
> to text and text
> to speech, you'd never know what was going on in your computer, because you
> can't read.
>
> >From the alt.support.childfree frequently asked questions:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Part 2: Posting Guidelines, Snappy Comebacks, and Links
>
> Posting Guidelines:
>
> 1. Can I post here if I like kids but don't want my own?
>
> Of course, as far as I'm concerned. But don't be upset if things get a
> bit ... um, nasty. (Rabbit)
>
> As far as *I'm* concerned, as long as you don't start saying how cute
> all kids are, you're covered by the charter. (Scott Eiler)
>
> 2. If I'm a parent, can I post here?
>
> No. Parents are not welcome to post to alt.support.childfree. This group
> is for the
> childfree and for childless people in the process of deciding whether
> to be childfree. (Jason G)
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Saerah, how much more plain-spoken can it get? You are not welcome in that
> group. You
> never will be. You know that. Sure, it's unmoderated, you CAN post. But look
> what's
> happening to the group where you ARE welcome. The sentiment is already turning
> against
> you. It's getting ugly in here and it's liable to get a lot uglier.
>
> And your friends here will have you to thank for it.
>
> So, if you like what's going on in AMPJ, by all means, continue posting to
> the other group.
> If
> you want to be left alone, you know what you must do, it's as simple as that.
>
> So, citizens and denizens of AMPJ, the choice is simple. You can have your
> group back as
> soon as you convince Saerah it'd be a better idea to stay here, and in misc.kids,
> and any
> other group where she is welcome, than to keep bothering the other group.
>
> It's just that simple. If she stops, so do we.
>
> Yes, it's we.
>
> If she continues, so do we and we will escalate exponentially.
>
> What will it be? Shall we dance some more?

--
Laurie

"If you can't criticize the president during war, doesn't that encourage
him to *be* at war?" - Eddie Vedder

[Eddie F Hill]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:26:24 +0200, Denis >
wrote:

>On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:06:44 GMT, Mirella > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:14:03 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous via the Cypherpunks
>>Tonga Remailer > wrote:
>>
>>>But for the sake of the peace, WE will stop. But be warned, just disappear.
>>>Say nothing in
>>>that group. Just disappear. Vanish into thin air. Never come back, for any
>>>reason.
>>>
>>>To the rest of AMPJ: We wish this had not been made necessary, but Saerah left
>>>us no
>>>choice.
>>
>>You _always_ have the choice to behave or not.
>>
>>>As our colleague posted earlier, we hope you will apply peer pressure
>>>to Saerah to
>>>convince her that further posting in the other group is a bad idea.
>>
>>I don't believe in blackmail and threaths like above. If this is the way
>>you (all) behave in another newsgroup, you deserve it if Saerah or real
>>trolls keep posting to your newsgroup.
>>I back her up, being the victim of the same troll after only reacting in
>>the discussion.
>>And I use my own name, being not such a coward.
>
>I definitely second you on that
>

**** that. if she's trolling there she should stop it. leave them
alone

eddie

>__________
>
>Denis
>
>Pearl Jam mp3s : Tour 2003 Stats file, Hunger Strike (Mexico 2), Growin' Up & Wash (Holmdel), Croon Spoon, The KKK Took My Baby Away, The Binaural Outtakes, Light Years demo, Arc (Council Bluffs)
>
>http://users.skynet.be/ramblings/pearljamsound.html

[Holtz]

Eddie F Hill wrote:

> **** that. if she's trolling there she should stop it. leave them
> alone
>
> eddie
>

She is trolling there, after reading thru all this crap it has became apparent to me that Saerah has gone out of her way to annoy these people and because of that ampj is now full of trolls, thanks
Saerah!

--
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[karen]

how was she to know that theyd go this far?

>
> She is trolling there, after reading thru all this crap it has became
apparent to me that Saerah has gone out of her way to annoy these people and
because of that ampj is now full of trolls, thanks
> Saerah!
>
> --
> Holtz.
>
> Remove LAYDOWNWITH#13 to reply
>
> My bootleg list,
> http://www.tapetrader.com/Holtz
>
>

[a unique individual]

>>From the alt.support.childfree frequently asked questions:
>

a FAQ is not a charter. perhaps YOU should learn to read.

Saerah
"If addiction is judged by how long a dumb animal will sit pressing a
lever to get a 'fix' of something, to its own detriment, then I would
conclude that reading newsgroups is far more addictive than cocaine."

[a unique individual]

>Yes, it's a completely fair comparison because you went in there and said we
>were bad for
>hating children and parents.
>

i do not remember saying this. at any rate, that's not what the charter for the
newsgroup says the group is for, so i fail to see your point.

>If you went
>to a
>newsgroup that was devoted to the support of the African American and said
>"I think you
>people are bad for talking badly about white people,"

huh? i know plenty of people who are black, and they don't hate ALL white
people, just because they are white.

>To the rest of AMPJ: We wish this had not been made necessary, but Saerah
>left
>us no
>choice.

and *i'm* the one with no self-control?


We believe you are an impulsive
>little motor-
>mouth

ah. some truth , finally. but i *can* stop. in fact , ihave not posted to ascf
all day- unless you count responding to posts that YOU crossposted to begin
with- the AOL newsreader doesnt allow for trimming the other NGs off.

Saerah
"If addiction is judged by how long a dumb animal will sit pressing a
lever to get a 'fix' of something, to its own detriment, then I would
conclude that reading newsgroups is far more addictive than cocaine."

[karen]

"Laurie Hester" > wrote in message
...
> Just a suggestion... if you have her address, why not send her pizzas or
> egg her house or send her a virus or subscribe her to a bunch of
> magazines or something? Why punish the innocent people of amp-j?
>
> Just a few people who think they own this ng have complained about
> Saerah. The rest know how to mark thread read or put names in their
> killfile, so your antics aren't likely to do much good. > Fritz Wuehler
wrote:
> >
> > In article >, a unique
individual
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > it was decided that parents of
> > > >any kind be made personae non grata in the group's charter.
> > >
> > > simply not true. have you read their charter?
> >
> > Why yes, and clearly you have not. But then again, if it weren't for
speech
> > to text and text
> > to speech, you'd never know what was going on in your computer, because
you
> > can't read.
> >
> > >From the alt.support.childfree frequently asked questions:
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Part 2: Posting Guidelines, Snappy Comebacks, and Links
> >
> > Posting Guidelines:
> >
> > 1. Can I post here if I like kids but don't want my own?
> >
> > Of course, as far as I'm concerned. But don't be upset if things get a
> > bit ... um, nasty. (Rabbit)
> >
> > As far as *I'm* concerned, as long as you don't start saying how cute
> > all kids are, you're covered by the charter. (Scott Eiler)
> >
> > 2. If I'm a parent, can I post here?
> >
> > No. Parents are not welcome to post to alt.support.childfree. This
group
> > is for the
> > childfree and for childless people in the process of deciding whether
> > to be childfree. (Jason G)
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Saerah, how much more plain-spoken can it get? You are not welcome in
that
> > group. You
> > never will be. You know that. Sure, it's unmoderated, you CAN post. But
look
> > what's
> > happening to the group where you ARE welcome. The sentiment is already
turning
> > against
> > you. It's getting ugly in here and it's liable to get a lot uglier.
> >
> > And your friends here will have you to thank for it.
> >
> > So, if you like what's going on in AMPJ, by all means, continue posting
to
> > the other group.
> > If
> > you want to be left alone, you know what you must do, it's as simple as
that.
> >
> > So, citizens and denizens of AMPJ, the choice is simple. You can have
your
> > group back as
> > soon as you convince Saerah it'd be a better idea to stay here, and in
misc.kids,
> > and any
> > other group where she is welcome, than to keep bothering the other
group.
> >
> > It's just that simple. If she stops, so do we.
> >
> > Yes, it's we.
> >
> > If she continues, so do we and we will escalate exponentially.
> >
> > What will it be? Shall we dance some more?
>
> --
> Laurie
>
> "If you can't criticize the president during war, doesn't that encourage
> him to *be* at war?" - Eddie Vedder

[karen]

<. Go after Saerah
> where it will hurt her; your efforts are wasted here.
>

how nice of you

[Irie]

Eddie F Hill > wrote in message >...
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:26:24 +0200, Denis >
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:06:44 GMT, Mirella > wrote:
> >
> >>On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:14:03 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous via the Cypherpunks
> >>Tonga Remailer > wrote:
> >>
> >>>But for the sake of the peace, WE will stop. But be warned, just disappear.
> >>>Say nothing in
> >>>that group. Just disappear. Vanish into thin air. Never come back, for any
> >>>reason.
> >>>
> >>>To the rest of AMPJ: We wish this had not been made necessary, but Saerah left
> >>>us no
> >>>choice.
> >>
> >>You _always_ have the choice to behave or not.
> >>
> >>>As our colleague posted earlier, we hope you will apply peer pressure
> >>>to Saerah to
> >>>convince her that further posting in the other group is a bad idea.
> >>
> >>I don't believe in blackmail and threaths like above. If this is the way
> >>you (all) behave in another newsgroup, you deserve it if Saerah or real
> >>trolls keep posting to your newsgroup.
> >>I back her up, being the victim of the same troll after only reacting in
> >>the discussion.
> >>And I use my own name, being not such a coward.
> >
> >I definitely second you on that
> >
>
> **** that. if she's trolling there she should stop it. leave them
> alone
>
> eddie
>
> >__________
> >
> >Denis
> >
> >Pearl Jam mp3s : Tour 2003 Stats file, Hunger Strike (Mexico 2), Growin' Up & Wash (Holmdel), Croon Spoon, The KKK Took My Baby Away, The Binaural Outtakes, Light Years demo, Arc (Council Bluffs)
> >
> >http://users.skynet.be/ramblings/pearljamsound.html

I have to say, I agree w/Eddie here. I think leaving that group alone
might be for the best. I do not have children & until recently never
even entertained the idea of having children, which technically means
that I could post in that group according to their little FAQ. But the
fact is, I am disturbed by the things I have read in that group, I
think that many of the people there have issues that go far beyond
disliking children & parents & apparently from the attacks that you
have been receiving, there is at least one or possibly several
unbalanced people at work in there. Because of my feelings regarding
that group, if I posted there, it would be negative & inflammatory,
which would make me a troll. I truly understand your reasons for
posting there & I think the group's reaction was waaay out there, but
the best thing to do would be to stop feeding them & their hangups.
Reading that stuff ****ed me off & I am about as maternal as a log. I
can imagine how it would make someone with children feel, but don't
read it or pay any attention to it.

That is just my two cents.

[Mirella]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 06:57:18 GMT, the happy squid > wrote:

>>I also find it interesting that people who hate kids so much are
>>behaving in a manner that most children would be embarrassed by.
>
>i'm glad somebody finally said it. what a bunch of pussies. i wonder
>if some of them sit in a corner, rocking back and forth while fretting
>about the sheer number of kiddies in the world.
>
>hosers.

What I also don't understand: everybody is somebody's child. So, am I
right that they hate themselves too, and their parents even more?

groetjes,
Mirella :)
--
<http://pearljam.start4all.com> (International)<http://pearljam.startkabel.nl> (Nederlands)

[Irie]

Mirella > wrote in message >...
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 06:57:18 GMT, the happy squid > wrote:
>
> >>I also find it interesting that people who hate kids so much are
> >>behaving in a manner that most children would be embarrassed by.
> >
> >i'm glad somebody finally said it. what a bunch of pussies. i wonder
> >if some of them sit in a corner, rocking back and forth while fretting
> >about the sheer number of kiddies in the world.
> >
> >hosers.
>
> What I also don't understand: everybody is somebody's child. So, am I
> right that they hate themselves too, and their parents even more?
>
> groetjes,
> Mirella :)

Now Mirella, you know you are just using 'breeder' mentality there...

;)

The best post I read in that group was one where a friend of someone
in the group had gotten pregnant & they *just couldn't believe their
friend would sell them out like that* & *they were so disappointed in
their friend.* Wow, that is what true friendship is all about--making
sure everyone you know lives by your agenda. Selfish much?

Made me want to call my best friend & tell her that since she had a
baby, she had sold me down the river & I am never ****ing talking to
her again. :)

Also, I enjoyed a story told by someone in the group who expressed
their indignation at a friend who wanted to bring her young daughter
shopping with them--how dare they?! The next time my best friend says
she is bringing her daughter shopping with us, I am going to say:
"Wait a minute sister, who the hell do you think you are bringing that
thing that still ****s her pants with us?' What kind of friend are
you? Don't you know that I don't have kids & I don't want to know they
exist--you are just pathetic because all you think about is that thing
you call your daughter. Stupid breeder moo."

So, should I start using that sarcasm symbol soon?

Fact is, I think kids have the sharpest bull**** detectors on the
planet & it can be really unnerving to people who live in their little
outer planetary systems. One of the funniest things that ever happened
to me was when the little girl my mom used to babysit looked at me &
said "Your boobies are really big..." I nearly fell off the front
porch laughing. Then she asked me if I thought her boobies would be
that big one day & I had told her that maybe they would, but boobies
are really not that important.

Don't tell my husband I said that though. :)

Ok, off to order my brand new LL Bean backpack for school.

Irie.

[Irie]

Mirella > wrote in message >...
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 06:57:18 GMT, the happy squid > wrote:
>
> >>I also find it interesting that people who hate kids so much are
> >>behaving in a manner that most children would be embarrassed by.
> >
> >i'm glad somebody finally said it. what a bunch of pussies. i wonder
> >if some of them sit in a corner, rocking back and forth while fretting
> >about the sheer number of kiddies in the world.
> >
> >hosers.
Now, that is an awesome word--gotta remember that one!
>
> What I also don't understand: everybody is somebody's child. So, am I
> right that they hate themselves too, and their parents even more?
>
> groetjes,
> Mirella :)

Now Mirella, you know you are just using 'breeder' mentality there...

;)

The best post I read in that group was one where a friend of someone
in the group had gotten pregnant & they *just couldn't believe their
friend would sell them out like that* & *they were so disappointed in
their friend.* Wow, that is what true friendship is all about--making
sure everyone you know lives by your agenda. Selfish much?

Made me want to call my best friend & tell her that since she had a
baby, she had sold me down the river & I am never ****ing talking to
her again. :)

Also, I enjoyed a story told by someone in the group who expressed
their indignation at a friend who wanted to bring her young daughter
shopping with them--how dare they?! The next time my best friend says
she is bringing her daughter shopping with us, I am going to say:
"Wait a minute sister, who the hell do you think you are bringing that
thing that still ****s her pants with us?' What kind of friend are
you? Don't you know that I don't have kids & I don't want to know they
exist--you are just pathetic because all you think about is that thing
you call your daughter. Stupid breeder moo."

So, should I start using that sarcasm symbol soon?

Fact is, I think kids have the sharpest bull**** detectors on the
planet & it can be really unnerving to people who live in their little
outer planetary systems. One of the funniest things that ever happened
to me was when the little girl my mom used to babysit looked at me &
said "Your boobies are really big..." I nearly fell off the front
porch laughing. Then she asked me if I thought her boobies would be
that big one day & I had told her that maybe they would, but boobies
are really not that important.

Don't tell my husband I said that though. :)

Ok, off to order my brand new LL Bean backpack for school.

Irie.