Kane
July 25th 03, 05:56 AM
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:49:51 -0500 (EST), (Proud
Momma) wrote:
>Thank you, Kane. The last thing I want to do is war with these
people.
>I understand that they have to investigate any and all claims. I
also
>understand that the purpose of this organization is to protect
children.
>I fully respect that.
>
>I've even had one caseworker to come into my home once who claimed
that
>if anyone needed any services, it was me, not my children. You see,
I
>was a single parent at that time and working anywhere from 12 to 18
>hours every day. I did this so I wouldn't have to go on welfare or
>foodstamps. She actually told me that I was without a doubt one very
>responsible and loving mother. (I should have gotten that one in
>writting).
Well, now. That is going to cause some seething frustration on the
part of those in this ng that think they ought to be killed.
>However, the main thing I want out of all of this is for the person
>who's calling in to stop. I want to find out who it is and put an
end
>to it. I don't mind cooperating with these people. I do mind them
>telling my neighbors what is going on though.
Excellent. It sounds to me like you are willing to explore tacticial
options. Forgive me military referrences, but they fit so well in this
kind of war.
Actually you don't have to find out who it is to put a stop to it.
Explore the laws in your state...you can do that on line usually
without an attorney, though you may want to have an attorney interpret
relevant ones for you when YOU find them. No need to pay high prices
for a legal aide to the attorney look them up and you get billed the
lawyers hourly fee.
What I think you'll find is something that would support some other
advice given here......threaten to sue for harrassment, however don't
let the blood lust in the tone of that advice get you into a
threatening posture.
It is CPS's game when an alledged abuser does that. You'll get served
with a court order to take a psych eval or risk having your children
removed during and investigation of your "out of control" behavior.
No, the right way is to be sweet as pie, and maybe ask the worker for
their "advice" about the possibility of suing the agency...smile when
you say that, and one John or Jane Doe making the calls. And beg her
to tell you how to NOT sue the agency.
Do you get my drift here? It makes you look Soooooo reasonable but
harrassesed, and keeps you from appearing like a nutcase they are all
too familiar with, and we are in this newsgroup so familiar with.
>After so many visits, I fear that the amount of times they have
>investigated me would be enough for them to cause some sort of
trouble.
What does that tell you? You either have very sympathetic workers
investigating, or they are simply doing the steps and have discounted
the caller already. If they believed, or were unsympathetic it would
have escalated by now. On the other hand a supervisor, not entirely in
the loop, could set the action to a higher response level.
It's time to ask that sweet innocent question about, could you stop it
if you sued. Not, "If you thugs don't stop harrassing me I'm going to
sue you and the agency into paupacy" They laugh at such threats. They
know you are about to bury yourself, and their trouble will be over.
>Although, each time they have done an investigation, they have never
>found one thing wrong.
Like I said. You have friends in the right places. Doing their job as
they are supposed to. And no, they are NOT obligated to remove the
harrassment unless they can write up something in their notes that
supports that.
>I just want to put all of this to an end. I don't want to fight with
>them or start some stupid camaign to bring them down. They are here
to
>protect my kids, just as I am. Luckily, my kids don't need them.
Talk to a family law attorney, if you can afford it. Most will give
you one free consult. You'll know you have a good one if they are
tacticians not crusaders. Beware the crusader that tells you, "let's
make the suffer...and crusify them."
>Thanks again, Kane for the advice. I agree with you that starting a
war
>with them is stupid. Starting a war with them only makes me look
>guilty. I've nothing to hide.
They are doing their job. They often have little or no choice in how
they conduct the investigation outside of policy...and policy is very
broad. I've noticed that if when talking with them I make little
heroes out of them, just like other human beings, they are so very
much more cooperative and supportive of ME.
I curse the stupid or ignorant or malicious ones privately. And there
really aren't all that many, not unlike all groups of people.
>Proud Momma
Best wishes, Kane
Momma) wrote:
>Thank you, Kane. The last thing I want to do is war with these
people.
>I understand that they have to investigate any and all claims. I
also
>understand that the purpose of this organization is to protect
children.
>I fully respect that.
>
>I've even had one caseworker to come into my home once who claimed
that
>if anyone needed any services, it was me, not my children. You see,
I
>was a single parent at that time and working anywhere from 12 to 18
>hours every day. I did this so I wouldn't have to go on welfare or
>foodstamps. She actually told me that I was without a doubt one very
>responsible and loving mother. (I should have gotten that one in
>writting).
Well, now. That is going to cause some seething frustration on the
part of those in this ng that think they ought to be killed.
>However, the main thing I want out of all of this is for the person
>who's calling in to stop. I want to find out who it is and put an
end
>to it. I don't mind cooperating with these people. I do mind them
>telling my neighbors what is going on though.
Excellent. It sounds to me like you are willing to explore tacticial
options. Forgive me military referrences, but they fit so well in this
kind of war.
Actually you don't have to find out who it is to put a stop to it.
Explore the laws in your state...you can do that on line usually
without an attorney, though you may want to have an attorney interpret
relevant ones for you when YOU find them. No need to pay high prices
for a legal aide to the attorney look them up and you get billed the
lawyers hourly fee.
What I think you'll find is something that would support some other
advice given here......threaten to sue for harrassment, however don't
let the blood lust in the tone of that advice get you into a
threatening posture.
It is CPS's game when an alledged abuser does that. You'll get served
with a court order to take a psych eval or risk having your children
removed during and investigation of your "out of control" behavior.
No, the right way is to be sweet as pie, and maybe ask the worker for
their "advice" about the possibility of suing the agency...smile when
you say that, and one John or Jane Doe making the calls. And beg her
to tell you how to NOT sue the agency.
Do you get my drift here? It makes you look Soooooo reasonable but
harrassesed, and keeps you from appearing like a nutcase they are all
too familiar with, and we are in this newsgroup so familiar with.
>After so many visits, I fear that the amount of times they have
>investigated me would be enough for them to cause some sort of
trouble.
What does that tell you? You either have very sympathetic workers
investigating, or they are simply doing the steps and have discounted
the caller already. If they believed, or were unsympathetic it would
have escalated by now. On the other hand a supervisor, not entirely in
the loop, could set the action to a higher response level.
It's time to ask that sweet innocent question about, could you stop it
if you sued. Not, "If you thugs don't stop harrassing me I'm going to
sue you and the agency into paupacy" They laugh at such threats. They
know you are about to bury yourself, and their trouble will be over.
>Although, each time they have done an investigation, they have never
>found one thing wrong.
Like I said. You have friends in the right places. Doing their job as
they are supposed to. And no, they are NOT obligated to remove the
harrassment unless they can write up something in their notes that
supports that.
>I just want to put all of this to an end. I don't want to fight with
>them or start some stupid camaign to bring them down. They are here
to
>protect my kids, just as I am. Luckily, my kids don't need them.
Talk to a family law attorney, if you can afford it. Most will give
you one free consult. You'll know you have a good one if they are
tacticians not crusaders. Beware the crusader that tells you, "let's
make the suffer...and crusify them."
>Thanks again, Kane for the advice. I agree with you that starting a
war
>with them is stupid. Starting a war with them only makes me look
>guilty. I've nothing to hide.
They are doing their job. They often have little or no choice in how
they conduct the investigation outside of policy...and policy is very
broad. I've noticed that if when talking with them I make little
heroes out of them, just like other human beings, they are so very
much more cooperative and supportive of ME.
I curse the stupid or ignorant or malicious ones privately. And there
really aren't all that many, not unlike all groups of people.
>Proud Momma
Best wishes, Kane