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Carla

September 17th 03, 02:10 PM

Hi,

I came here last year. I had some concerns with my daughters grade 1
teacher who in the first week or two of school had insinuated my
daughter was ADD or had a learning disability. She was taken out of
his class during the school shuffle about in Canada last year, and
given a new teacher. She ended up finishing grade one with straight
A's and B's. Her lowest mark, a B, not even a B-. That particular
teacher had no concerns with her progress in any area. The report
cards were postitive, and parent teacher meetings were helpful. My
daughter went from a C- in reading at the beginning of the year to a
B+ at the end of the last term. Her social skills were fine. She had
one satisfactory, the rest were good or excellent. In the entire year
she had 2 repremands for arguing with one particular child and was
given a think sheet.

Well, this year, guess who her grade 2 teacher is? The same guy who
was making the negative remarks last year. Last year, the first two
weeks of school, he said "she is extremely fidgity" and excessively
Chatty" Those are the things I remember. The first day of school this
year... YES THE FIRST DAY. I saw him, and asked how she was adjusting.
He said word for word "she is very absent minded" When I probed as to
what he was talking about, he said she had gotten up from her desk,
walked toward his desk, and when asked "what she wanted" She said she
forgot. I assumed he made her nervous and brushed him off. Last night
was parent teacher night. I went to see him. I asked how she was
doing, he said "she is really unfocused". That said, first words, I
told him, I'm extrememly irratated, as he has never said one positive
thing about her and reminded him she was in his class last year, and
he did the same thing. I told him I wanted facts to back this up. He
stated she writes backwards. At times she does get the odd e or #3
backwards, I'v noticed it myself. But I asked, how does that fit in
with unfocused? He said "if I wanted to talk further, we could set up
an appointment". I asked him, then what is the purpose of this meeting
and you saing these things???? Long story short, I left, angry and
upset. I left a message for the principal to contact me and kept her
home today, to take her to her pediatrician incase I am missing
something.

Does this sound right to any of you guys? Has anyone had similar
experiences? I take care of alot of her freinds from that class, and
from her previous class. I don't see a HUGE difference in behavior or
scholastic endevours. I could be missing something, but I honestly
think it's this teacher. If you have suggestions in dealing with this,
on a professional, and nonemotional level, please help me out here.
I'm freakin right out.

Thanks,

C

Tiffany

September 17th 03, 04:20 PM

Carla > wrote in message
om...
> Hi,
>
> I came here last year. I had some concerns with my daughters grade 1
> teacher who in the first week or two of school had insinuated my
> daughter was ADD or had a learning disability. She was taken out of
> his class during the school shuffle about in Canada last year, and
> given a new teacher. She ended up finishing grade one with straight
> A's and B's. Her lowest mark, a B, not even a B-. That particular
> teacher had no concerns with her progress in any area. The report
> cards were postitive, and parent teacher meetings were helpful. My
> daughter went from a C- in reading at the beginning of the year to a
> B+ at the end of the last term. Her social skills were fine. She had
> one satisfactory, the rest were good or excellent. In the entire year
> she had 2 repremands for arguing with one particular child and was
> given a think sheet.
>
> Well, this year, guess who her grade 2 teacher is? The same guy who
> was making the negative remarks last year. Last year, the first two
> weeks of school, he said "she is extremely fidgity" and excessively
> Chatty" Those are the things I remember. The first day of school this
> year... YES THE FIRST DAY. I saw him, and asked how she was adjusting.
> He said word for word "she is very absent minded" When I probed as to
> what he was talking about, he said she had gotten up from her desk,
> walked toward his desk, and when asked "what she wanted" She said she
> forgot. I assumed he made her nervous and brushed him off. Last night
> was parent teacher night. I went to see him. I asked how she was
> doing, he said "she is really unfocused". That said, first words, I
> told him, I'm extrememly irratated, as he has never said one positive
> thing about her and reminded him she was in his class last year, and
> he did the same thing. I told him I wanted facts to back this up. He
> stated she writes backwards. At times she does get the odd e or #3
> backwards, I'v noticed it myself. But I asked, how does that fit in
> with unfocused? He said "if I wanted to talk further, we could set up
> an appointment". I asked him, then what is the purpose of this meeting
> and you saing these things???? Long story short, I left, angry and
> upset. I left a message for the principal to contact me and kept her
> home today, to take her to her pediatrician incase I am missing
> something.
>
> Does this sound right to any of you guys? Has anyone had similar
> experiences? I take care of alot of her freinds from that class, and
> from her previous class. I don't see a HUGE difference in behavior or
> scholastic endevours. I could be missing something, but I honestly
> think it's this teacher. If you have suggestions in dealing with this,
> on a professional, and nonemotional level, please help me out here.
> I'm freakin right out.
>
> Thanks,
>
> C

If your daughter is getting good grades, don't worry about what this guy is
saying. It is obvious your child is not his favorite and though it is
unfair, it happens. Don't let the comments of one teacher have you thinking
anything is out of the ordinary with your child. You know your kid better
then anyone. My daughter had a teacher that didn't particularly like her one
year..... we just grinned and got through the year and I stopped meeting
with him.

TO

Deb

September 17th 03, 07:36 PM

(Carla) wrote in message >...
> Hi,
>
> I came here last year. I had some concerns with my daughters grade 1
> teacher who in the first week or two of school had insinuated my
> daughter was ADD or had a learning disability. She was taken out of
> his class during the school shuffle about in Canada last year, and
> given a new teacher. She ended up finishing grade one with straight
> A's and B's. Her lowest mark, a B, not even a B-. That particular
> teacher had no concerns with her progress in any area. The report
> cards were postitive, and parent teacher meetings were helpful. My
> daughter went from a C- in reading at the beginning of the year to a
> B+ at the end of the last term. Her social skills were fine. She had
> one satisfactory, the rest were good or excellent. In the entire year
> she had 2 repremands for arguing with one particular child and was
> given a think sheet.
>
> Well, this year, guess who her grade 2 teacher is? The same guy who
> was making the negative remarks last year. Last year, the first two
> weeks of school, he said "she is extremely fidgity" and excessively
> Chatty" Those are the things I remember. The first day of school this
> year... YES THE FIRST DAY. I saw him, and asked how she was adjusting.
> He said word for word "she is very absent minded" When I probed as to
> what he was talking about, he said she had gotten up from her desk,
> walked toward his desk, and when asked "what she wanted" She said she
> forgot. I assumed he made her nervous and brushed him off. Last night
> was parent teacher night. I went to see him. I asked how she was
> doing, he said "she is really unfocused". That said, first words, I
> told him, I'm extrememly irratated, as he has never said one positive
> thing about her and reminded him she was in his class last year, and
> he did the same thing. I told him I wanted facts to back this up. He
> stated she writes backwards. At times she does get the odd e or #3
> backwards, I'v noticed it myself. But I asked, how does that fit in
> with unfocused? He said "if I wanted to talk further, we could set up
> an appointment". I asked him, then what is the purpose of this meeting
> and you saing these things???? Long story short, I left, angry and
> upset. I left a message for the principal to contact me and kept her
> home today, to take her to her pediatrician incase I am missing
> something.
>
> Does this sound right to any of you guys? Has anyone had similar
> experiences? I take care of alot of her freinds from that class, and
> from her previous class. I don't see a HUGE difference in behavior or
> scholastic endevours. I could be missing something, but I honestly
> think it's this teacher. If you have suggestions in dealing with this,
> on a professional, and nonemotional level, please help me out here.
> I'm freakin right out.
>
> Thanks,
>
> C

Hello,
Have your talk with the principal and insist she be put in another class, if it
starts out bad , it will only get worse. Also, don't wait for the principal to
call you back, just go in. You could have her in another class by tomorrow. This
is advice I regret not following. Good luck !!
Debi

dolores

September 17th 03, 10:10 PM

"Deb" > wrote in message
m...
> (Carla) wrote in message
>...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I came here last year. I had some concerns with my daughters grade 1
> > teacher who in the first week or two of school had insinuated my
> > daughter was ADD or had a learning disability. She was taken out of
> > his class during the school shuffle about in Canada last year, and
> > given a new teacher. She ended up finishing grade one with straight
> > A's and B's. Her lowest mark, a B, not even a B-. That particular
> > teacher had no concerns with her progress in any area. The report
> > cards were postitive, and parent teacher meetings were helpful. My
> > daughter went from a C- in reading at the beginning of the year to a
> > B+ at the end of the last term. Her social skills were fine. She had
> > one satisfactory, the rest were good or excellent. In the entire year
> > she had 2 repremands for arguing with one particular child and was
> > given a think sheet.
> >
> > Well, this year, guess who her grade 2 teacher is? The same guy who
> > was making the negative remarks last year. Last year, the first two
> > weeks of school, he said "she is extremely fidgity" and excessively
> > Chatty" Those are the things I remember. The first day of school this
> > year... YES THE FIRST DAY. I saw him, and asked how she was adjusting.
> > He said word for word "she is very absent minded" When I probed as to
> > what he was talking about, he said she had gotten up from her desk,
> > walked toward his desk, and when asked "what she wanted" She said she
> > forgot. I assumed he made her nervous and brushed him off. Last night
> > was parent teacher night. I went to see him. I asked how she was
> > doing, he said "she is really unfocused". That said, first words, I
> > told him, I'm extrememly irratated, as he has never said one positive
> > thing about her and reminded him she was in his class last year, and
> > he did the same thing. I told him I wanted facts to back this up. He
> > stated she writes backwards. At times she does get the odd e or #3
> > backwards, I'v noticed it myself. But I asked, how does that fit in
> > with unfocused? He said "if I wanted to talk further, we could set up
> > an appointment". I asked him, then what is the purpose of this meeting
> > and you saing these things???? Long story short, I left, angry and
> > upset. I left a message for the principal to contact me and kept her
> > home today, to take her to her pediatrician incase I am missing
> > something.
> >
> > Does this sound right to any of you guys? Has anyone had similar
> > experiences? I take care of alot of her freinds from that class, and
> > from her previous class. I don't see a HUGE difference in behavior or
> > scholastic endevours. I could be missing something, but I honestly
> > think it's this teacher. If you have suggestions in dealing with this,
> > on a professional, and nonemotional level, please help me out here.
> > I'm freakin right out.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > C
>
> Hello,
> Have your talk with the principal and insist she be put in another class,
if it
> starts out bad , it will only get worse. Also, don't wait for the
principal to
> call you back, just go in. You could have her in another class by
tomorrow. This
> is advice I regret not following. Good luck !!
> Debi

And advice I wished I'd followed too some years back too.

Dolores

dolores

September 17th 03, 10:18 PM

"Tiffany" > wrote in message
...
>
> Carla > wrote in message
> om...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I came here last year. I had some concerns with my daughters grade 1
> > teacher who in the first week or two of school had insinuated my
> > daughter was ADD or had a learning disability. She was taken out of
> > his class during the school shuffle about in Canada last year, and
> > given a new teacher. She ended up finishing grade one with straight
> > A's and B's. Her lowest mark, a B, not even a B-. That particular
> > teacher had no concerns with her progress in any area. The report
> > cards were postitive, and parent teacher meetings were helpful. My
> > daughter went from a C- in reading at the beginning of the year to a
> > B+ at the end of the last term. Her social skills were fine. She had
> > one satisfactory, the rest were good or excellent. In the entire year
> > she had 2 repremands for arguing with one particular child and was
> > given a think sheet.
> >
> > Well, this year, guess who her grade 2 teacher is?

> If your daughter is getting good grades, don't worry about what this guy
is
> saying.

What he is saying is not so much the problem....it's the effect he's having
on this little girl....and *that* is a major problem..

It is obvious your child is not his favorite and though it is
> unfair, it happens.

Well is shouldnt happen...and he shouldnt be teaching....It's not accetable
in the adult workplace so why should it be acceptable in the classroom.

Don't let the comments of one teacher have you thinking
> anything is out of the ordinary with your child. You know your kid better
> then anyone. My daughter had a teacher that didn't particularly like her
one
> year..... we just grinned and got through the year and I stopped meeting
> with him.

So you just glibly accepted your childs education and future being
damaged.....It because of parents, with an attitude like yours, that we have
to deal with such bad teachers day in and day out....and our children leave
school with a 2nd rate education...They *know* they can get away with
it....and they do get away with it.....We as parents have to stand up and
make ourselves heard.....

Sorry Tiffany....but I must disagree with everything you've said in the
strongest possible terms...

Dolores

>
> TO
>
>

dolores

September 17th 03, 10:25 PM

Tiffany

September 18th 03, 03:03 AM

dolores > wrote in message
...
>
> "Tiffany" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Carla > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I came here last year. I had some concerns with my daughters grade 1
> > > teacher who in the first week or two of school had insinuated my
> > > daughter was ADD or had a learning disability. She was taken out of
> > > his class during the school shuffle about in Canada last year, and
> > > given a new teacher. She ended up finishing grade one with straight
> > > A's and B's. Her lowest mark, a B, not even a B-. That particular
> > > teacher had no concerns with her progress in any area. The report
> > > cards were postitive, and parent teacher meetings were helpful. My
> > > daughter went from a C- in reading at the beginning of the year to a
> > > B+ at the end of the last term. Her social skills were fine. She had
> > > one satisfactory, the rest were good or excellent. In the entire year
> > > she had 2 repremands for arguing with one particular child and was
> > > given a think sheet.
> > >
> > > Well, this year, guess who her grade 2 teacher is?
>
> > If your daughter is getting good grades, don't worry about what this guy
> is
> > saying.
>
> What he is saying is not so much the problem....it's the effect he's
having
> on this little girl....and *that* is a major problem..
>

As of yet, there is no effect this year. Atleast nothing is posted that the
child is having a hard time this year.

> It is obvious your child is not his favorite and though it is
> > unfair, it happens.
>
> Well is shouldnt happen...and he shouldnt be teaching....It's not
accetable
> in the adult workplace so why should it be acceptable in the classroom.

Its not acceptable in whose work place? Everyone deals with others
differently. This man may appear to be 'mean'... maybe he is a tougher
teacher and expects more. Maybe he is dead on about the child too.
>
>
> Don't let the comments of one teacher have you thinking
> > anything is out of the ordinary with your child. You know your kid
better
> > then anyone. My daughter had a teacher that didn't particularly like her
> one
> > year..... we just grinned and got through the year and I stopped meeting
> > with him.
>
> So you just glibly accepted your childs education and future being
> damaged.....

Maybe the kid will be damaged if she is catered too also. The child is in
second grade..... no ill comments have been made to the child. The mother is
the one hurt right now.

>It because of parents, with an attitude like yours, that we have
> to deal with such bad teachers day in and day out....and our children
leave
> school with a 2nd rate education...They *know* they can get away with
> it....and they do get away with it.....We as parents have to stand up and
> make ourselves heard.....

We are lucky for any education the kids get and if its second rate...
educate your kid yourself. Its not just the teachers who should be teaching
the kids. I teach my kid that not everyone is going to be the way she wants
them to be. As for all these bad teachers..... can't say I have met one yet.
My daughter is in 7th grade... maybe we will meet a bad one. Even the one
teacher that seemed to be hard on her, felt as though he was being pretty
tough on her, she had a fine year, was NOT damaged by it. If asked today,
she would say she liked him. Why is a teacher only a bad teacher when they
do or say something a parent doesn't like?

>
> Sorry Tiffany....but I must disagree with everything you've said in the
> strongest possible terms...
>
> Dolores
>
> >
> > TO
> >
> >
>
>

Carla

September 18th 03, 03:04 AM

"Tiffany" > wrote in message >...
>
> If your daughter is getting good grades, don't worry about what this guy is
> saying.

My daughter ended up with good grades last year, because she got a new
teacher. I don't know if it would have ended up that way with this
guy. I worry alot about what he is saying, because he is ademently
implying that she is ADD or has a learning disability, when infact,
she does not.

It is obvious your child is not his favorite and though it is
> unfair, it happens.

It's not going to be my daughters problem if I can help it.

Don't let the comments of one teacher have you thinking
> anything is out of the ordinary with your child. You know your kid better
> then anyone. My daughter had a teacher that didn't particularly like her one
> year..... we just grinned and got through the year and I stopped meeting
> with him.

What if her grades go down, because of his dislike? Or what if it
causes her self esteem to go down. No, I will not tolerate this
without accurate basis for the phrases and words he used to describe
her. It's wrong, he is wrong and outright rude. He has NEVER said a
positive thing about her. I have the doctor to back me up, as well
last years grades, plus 2 previous years in private school. They give
NO indication that there are any behavioral or learning problems.
NONE.

I can't sit back, and let this man belittle her, the age is to
critical. I can see that she has become shy, and timid, and feels like
the dumbest kid in the class. She comes out of that school balling
over the craziest things. Last time I picked her up, she was a mess,
in total tears. When I asked her what was wrong, she exclaimed "the
zipper on my back pack broke". That is not my child, she knows darn
well there are 2 other back packs at home, and if they won't do, I'd
get her a new one.

Thanks for the advice, but I can't sit on my hands over this one.
Sometimes it is the right thing to do, by being quiet and letting it
pass, but this is her education. Aside from health, it's very
important.

C.
> TO

Carla

September 18th 03, 03:10 AM

(Deb) wrote in message >...
>
> Hello,
> Have your talk with the principal and insist she be put in another class, if it
> starts out bad , it will only get worse.

I agree Deb, and I contacted the principal the second day of school. I
left a message and the principal did not get back to me. I avoided
conversations with her teacher until last night. I kept her home
today, and called the school after I got back from the pediatrician
who was a bit in shock over all this. The principal was sick. I told
the secretary, that I want to speak with her the minute she gets back,
and that this is the second message. I also documented everything, and
wrote a letter to the teacher, letting him know, from now on, any
concerns he has needs to be put in writting.

Also, don't wait for the principal to
> call you back, just go in.

I will be there first thing in the morning. I don't want her in this
guys class!

You could have her in another class by tomorrow. This
> is advice I regret not following. Good luck !!
> Debi

I'm following it, believe me. Thanks for this and the good wishes.

C.

Carla

September 18th 03, 03:15 AM

"dolores" > wrote in message >...
> "Tiffany" > wrote in message
> ...
> What he is saying is not so much the problem....it's the effect he's having
> on this little girl....and *that* is a major problem..

This is my big concern. I was lucky last year that they shuffled the
kids and she got switched, I hope I can convince the principal that
she is in a bad situation.
>
> It is obvious your child is not his favorite and though it is
> > unfair, it happens.
>
> Well is shouldnt happen...and he shouldnt be teaching....It's not accetable
> in the adult workplace so why should it be acceptable in the classroom.
>
That is right. I totally agree, and I will fight tooth and nail with
ferocious and fierce tenacity so my kid can have what is best for her.
I will let you know the outcome hopefully tomorrow.

C.

> Don't let the comments of one teacher have you thinking
> > anything is out of the ordinary with your child. You know your kid better
> > then anyone. My daughter had a teacher that didn't particularly like her
> one
> > year..... we just grinned and got through the year and I stopped meeting
> > with him.
>
> So you just glibly accepted your childs education and future being
> damaged.....It because of parents, with an attitude like yours, that we have
> to deal with such bad teachers day in and day out....and our children leave
> school with a 2nd rate education...They *know* they can get away with
> it....and they do get away with it.....We as parents have to stand up and
> make ourselves heard.....
>
> Sorry Tiffany....but I must disagree with everything you've said in the
> strongest possible terms...
>
> Dolores
>
> >
> > TO
> >
> >

Carla

September 18th 03, 03:22 AM

"dolores" > wrote in message >...

> Seems to me Carla that you are doing all the right things. You are being
> calm, level headed and giving this guy enough string to hang himself...I
> also 100% agree with your not sending your daughter back etc...
>
> When you go and see the principal bring last years reports and evidence of
> your daughters work with you. Also, see if the previous years teacher would
> attend the meeting if she is willing....this guy sounds like he should be
> fired...yesterday..and its teachers like him that result in so many poorly
> educated children.
>
> Also, if he were a manager in industry and behaved in this way towards one
> of his team/employees the employee would have good grounds for a
> constructive dismissal case.......and since his remit is to educate....then
> his behaviour is even more unacceptable....
>
> Btw, have you asked any other parents if they;ve experienced any problems
> with him?

Yes, and I know 2 kids who are now on major drugs. This teacher used
to teach grade 8 at the same school. One of the kids went off the
dexidrine and cloba something and is fine this year. He is just fine.
The other child is still on ritalin, and doing well with some
associated adverse reactions. (not real bad) I think this teacher just
wants the easiest way out. Seems he has convinced alot of parents that
thier kids have problems. There are 3 parents I know of who share the
same concerns right now. The kids I spoke of who were/are on meds are
from previous years. I'v lived here a very long time and know almost
everyone.
>
> Let us know how you got on.

I will, hopefully, tomorrow in the AM.

Thanks to all of you who replied. I will be bringing in her past
history to the principal too! BTW, the principal handed her the "All
Star" reading award last year, so I don't think she will fall for this
guys words either, or she'll have some explaining to do.

C.
> Dolores

Tiffany

September 18th 03, 03:31 AM

Carla > wrote in message
m...
> "Tiffany" > wrote in message
>...
> >
> > If your daughter is getting good grades, don't worry about what this guy
is
> > saying.
>
> My daughter ended up with good grades last year, because she got a new
> teacher. I don't know if it would have ended up that way with this
> guy. I worry alot about what he is saying, because he is ademently
> implying that she is ADD or has a learning disability, when infact,
> she does not.
>
> It is obvious your child is not his favorite and though it is
> > unfair, it happens.
>
> It's not going to be my daughters problem if I can help it.
>
> Don't let the comments of one teacher have you thinking
> > anything is out of the ordinary with your child. You know your kid
better
> > then anyone. My daughter had a teacher that didn't particularly like her
one
> > year..... we just grinned and got through the year and I stopped meeting
> > with him.
>
> What if her grades go down, because of his dislike? Or what if it
> causes her self esteem to go down. No, I will not tolerate this
> without accurate basis for the phrases and words he used to describe
> her. It's wrong, he is wrong and outright rude. He has NEVER said a
> positive thing about her. I have the doctor to back me up, as well
> last years grades, plus 2 previous years in private school. They give
> NO indication that there are any behavioral or learning problems.
> NONE.
>
> I can't sit back, and let this man belittle her, the age is to
> critical. I can see that she has become shy, and timid, and feels like
> the dumbest kid in the class. She comes out of that school balling
> over the craziest things. Last time I picked her up, she was a mess,
> in total tears. When I asked her what was wrong, she exclaimed "the
> zipper on my back pack broke". That is not my child, she knows darn
> well there are 2 other back packs at home, and if they won't do, I'd
> get her a new one.
>
> Thanks for the advice, but I can't sit on my hands over this one.
> Sometimes it is the right thing to do, by being quiet and letting it
> pass, but this is her education. Aside from health, it's very
> important.
>
> C.
> > TO

Your welcome..... thanks for reading and commenting in a polite manner. I do
hope things work out well for her. I do wish the education system was better
but that is why we as parents have to also educate our kids. It gets a
parent down when they see their child crying. May I ask if her father is in
her life? I only ask that because the one teacher that I mentioned in the
previous post also happen to be my daughters first male teacher and thought
maybe she might have a hard time with a man??? I don't know if there is any
concrete info to back that up so if it sounds way out there.... ignore it.

T

dolores

September 18th 03, 09:03 PM

"Carla" > wrote in message
om...
> "dolores" > wrote in message
>...
>
> > Seems to me Carla that you are doing all the right things. You are
being
> > calm, level headed and giving this guy enough string to hang himself...I
> > also 100% agree with your not sending your daughter back etc...
> >
> > When you go and see the principal bring last years reports and evidence
of
> > your daughters work with you. Also, see if the previous years teacher
would
> > attend the meeting if she is willing....this guy sounds like he should
be
> > fired...yesterday..and its teachers like him that result in so many
poorly
> > educated children.
> >
> > Also, if he were a manager in industry and behaved in this way towards
one
> > of his team/employees the employee would have good grounds for a
> > constructive dismissal case.......and since his remit is to
educate....then
> > his behaviour is even more unacceptable....
> >
> > Btw, have you asked any other parents if they;ve experienced any
problems
> > with him?
>
> Yes, and I know 2 kids who are now on major drugs. This teacher used
> to teach grade 8 at the same school. One of the kids went off the
> dexidrine and cloba something and is fine this year. He is just fine.
> The other child is still on ritalin, and doing well with some
> associated adverse reactions. (not real bad) I think this teacher just
> wants the easiest way out. Seems he has convinced alot of parents that
> thier kids have problems. There are 3 parents I know of who share the
> same concerns right now. The kids I spoke of who were/are on meds are
> from previous years. I'v lived here a very long time and know almost
> everyone.

Think you should question whether this guy should be allowed near any kids.
May be you should ask around and see if the other parents would be
interested in doing something about him. He's done a lot of damage by the s
ounds of it and God knows how the next child might respond to him.

I know from experience that a teacher can do serious damage to a 7 y/o. My
son lost all confidence and self-believe, the teacher even had the nerve to
tell me that he didnt take life seriously enough. He was 7 at the time,
started having really vivid and bad dreams, crying for no reason, migraines
and generally agitated. He ended up being signed off sick by the doctor for
stress!...

To this day I so so regret leaving my child in that school and in the hands
of what I considered monsters.

Dolores
> >
> > Let us know how you got on.
>
> I will, hopefully, tomorrow in the AM.
>
> Thanks to all of you who replied. I will be bringing in her past
> history to the principal too! BTW, the principal handed her the "All
> Star" reading award last year, so I don't think she will fall for this
> guys words either, or she'll have some explaining to do.
>
> C.
> > Dolores

dolores

September 18th 03, 09:28 PM

"Tiffany" > wrote in message
...
>
> dolores > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Tiffany" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > Carla > wrote in message
> > > om...
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I came here last year. I had some concerns with my daughters grade 1
> > > > teacher who in the first week or two of school had insinuated my
> > > > daughter was ADD or had a learning disability. She was taken out of
> > > > his class during the school shuffle about in Canada last year, and
> > > > given a new teacher. She ended up finishing grade one with straight
> > > > A's and B's. Her lowest mark, a B, not even a B-. That particular
> > > > teacher had no concerns with her progress in any area. The report
> > > > cards were postitive, and parent teacher meetings were helpful. My
> > > > daughter went from a C- in reading at the beginning of the year to a
> > > > B+ at the end of the last term. Her social skills were fine. She
had
> > > > one satisfactory, the rest were good or excellent. In the entire
year
> > > > she had 2 repremands for arguing with one particular child and was
> > > > given a think sheet.
> > > >
> > > > Well, this year, guess who her grade 2 teacher is?
> >
> > > If your daughter is getting good grades, don't worry about what this
guy
> > is
> > > saying.
> >
> > What he is saying is not so much the problem....it's the effect he's
> having
> > on this little girl....and *that* is a major problem..
> >
>
> As of yet, there is no effect this year. Atleast nothing is posted that
the
> child is having a hard time this year.
>
>
> > It is obvious your child is not his favorite and though it is
> > > unfair, it happens.
> >
> > Well is shouldnt happen...and he shouldnt be teaching....It's not
> accetable
> > in the adult workplace so why should it be acceptable in the classroom.
>
> Its not acceptable in whose work place?

Anybodys' workplace Tiffany

Everyone deals with others
> differently.

Yes, In a professional, curteous and respectful manner.

This man may appear to be 'mean'... maybe he is a tougher
> teacher and expects more.

Qualities more suited to a juvenile deliquents establishment, not a kiddies
school.

Maybe he is dead on about the child too.

And even if he was...I'd still say his approach was unaceptable.
> >
> >
> > Don't let the comments of one teacher have you thinking
> > > anything is out of the ordinary with your child. You know your kid
> better
> > > then anyone. My daughter had a teacher that didn't particularly like
her
> > one
> > > year..... we just grinned and got through the year and I stopped
meeting
> > > with him.
> >
> > So you just glibly accepted your childs education and future being
> > damaged.....
>
> Maybe the kid will be damaged if she is catered too also. The child is in
> second grade..... no ill comments have been made to the child. The mother
is
> the one hurt right now.

>
> >It because of parents, with an attitude like yours, that we have
> > to deal with such bad teachers day in and day out....and our children
> leave
> > school with a 2nd rate education...They *know* they can get away with
> > it....and they do get away with it.....We as parents have to stand up
and
> > make ourselves heard.....
>
> We are lucky for any education the kids get and if its second rate...
> educate your kid yourself.

And this is the reason why even the Irish drop-outs are better educated than
the American High School achievers.....

Its not just the teachers who should be teaching
> the kids. I teach my kid that not everyone is going to be the way she
wants
> them to be.

In others words to accept second best.

As for all these bad teachers..... can't say I have met one yet.

Well given what you've written above it's no wonder. Your child probably
wouldnt tell you.

> My daughter is in 7th grade... maybe we will meet a bad one. Even the one
> teacher that seemed to be hard on her, felt as though he was being pretty
> tough on her, she had a fine year, was NOT damaged by it. If asked today,
> she would say she liked him.

Count yourself as being very very lucky then. My 2nd son is one of the
lucky ones he always had really lovely teachers and he adored them all...My
eldest is a whole different story though.

Why is a teacher only a bad teacher when they
> do or say something a parent doesn't like?

Dunno about you Tiffany, but I'm old enough to know the difference between
right and wrong..acceptable and unaceptable..

I'm also well informed on the frameworks and guidelines in place that
educators of young children should follow...Not only that teaching is a
vocation...not merely a job...But above all ever teacher has a duty of care
towards our children as outlined in any teaching post remit.

Dolores

>
> >
> > Sorry Tiffany....but I must disagree with everything you've said in the
> > strongest possible terms...
> >
> > Dolores
> >
> > >
> > > TO
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Tiffany

September 18th 03, 09:48 PM

dolores > wrote in message
...
>
> "Tiffany" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > dolores > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Tiffany" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > Carla > wrote in message
> > > > om...
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I came here last year. I had some concerns with my daughters grade
1
> > > > > teacher who in the first week or two of school had insinuated my
> > > > > daughter was ADD or had a learning disability. She was taken out
of
> > > > > his class during the school shuffle about in Canada last year, and
> > > > > given a new teacher. She ended up finishing grade one with
straight
> > > > > A's and B's. Her lowest mark, a B, not even a B-. That particular
> > > > > teacher had no concerns with her progress in any area. The report
> > > > > cards were postitive, and parent teacher meetings were helpful. My
> > > > > daughter went from a C- in reading at the beginning of the year to
a
> > > > > B+ at the end of the last term. Her social skills were fine. She
> had
> > > > > one satisfactory, the rest were good or excellent. In the entire
> year
> > > > > she had 2 repremands for arguing with one particular child and was
> > > > > given a think sheet.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, this year, guess who her grade 2 teacher is?
> > >
> > > > If your daughter is getting good grades, don't worry about what this
> guy
> > > is
> > > > saying.
> > >
> > > What he is saying is not so much the problem....it's the effect he's
> > having
> > > on this little girl....and *that* is a major problem..
> > >
> >
> > As of yet, there is no effect this year. Atleast nothing is posted that
> the
> > child is having a hard time this year.
> >
> >
> > > It is obvious your child is not his favorite and though it is
> > > > unfair, it happens.
> > >
> > > Well is shouldnt happen...and he shouldnt be teaching....It's not
> > accetable
> > > in the adult workplace so why should it be acceptable in the
classroom.
> >
> > Its not acceptable in whose work place?
>
> Anybodys' workplace Tiffany
>
> Everyone deals with others
> > differently.
>
> Yes, In a professional, curteous and respectful manner.
>
> This man may appear to be 'mean'... maybe he is a tougher
> > teacher and expects more.
>
> Qualities more suited to a juvenile deliquents establishment, not a
kiddies
> school.
>
> Maybe he is dead on about the child too.
>
> And even if he was...I'd still say his approach was unaceptable.
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't let the comments of one teacher have you thinking
> > > > anything is out of the ordinary with your child. You know your kid
> > better
> > > > then anyone. My daughter had a teacher that didn't particularly like
> her
> > > one
> > > > year..... we just grinned and got through the year and I stopped
> meeting
> > > > with him.
> > >
> > > So you just glibly accepted your childs education and future being
> > > damaged.....

Damaged? LMAO..... no I don't think if she becomes damaged that I can blame
it on one teacher many years ago.

> >
> > Maybe the kid will be damaged if she is catered too also. The child is
in
> > second grade..... no ill comments have been made to the child. The
mother
> is
> > the one hurt right now.
>
> >
> > >It because of parents, with an attitude like yours, that we have
> > > to deal with such bad teachers day in and day out....and our children
> > leave
> > > school with a 2nd rate education...They *know* they can get away with
> > > it....and they do get away with it.....We as parents have to stand up
> and
> > > make ourselves heard.....
> >
> > We are lucky for any education the kids get and if its second rate...
> > educate your kid yourself.
>
> And this is the reason why even the Irish drop-outs are better educated
than
> the American High School achievers.....
>
> Its not just the teachers who should be teaching
> > the kids. I teach my kid that not everyone is going to be the way she
> wants
> > them to be.
>
> In others words to accept second best.

Its not accepting second best.... its accepting people for who they are. Not
everyone comes about as the kindest person in the world. Look at youself.

>
> As for all these bad teachers..... can't say I have met one yet.
>
> Well given what you've written above it's no wonder. Your child probably
> wouldnt tell you.
>
> > My daughter is in 7th grade... maybe we will meet a bad one. Even the
one
> > teacher that seemed to be hard on her, felt as though he was being
pretty
> > tough on her, she had a fine year, was NOT damaged by it. If asked
today,
> > she would say she liked him.
>
> Count yourself as being very very lucky then. My 2nd son is one of the
> lucky ones he always had really lovely teachers and he adored them
all...My
> eldest is a whole different story though.
>
> Why is a teacher only a bad teacher when they
> > do or say something a parent doesn't like?
>
> Dunno about you Tiffany, but I'm old enough to know the difference between
> right and wrong..acceptable and unaceptable..
>
> I'm also well informed on the frameworks and guidelines in place that
> educators of young children should follow...Not only that teaching is a
> vocation...not merely a job...But above all ever teacher has a duty of
care
> towards our children as outlined in any teaching post remit.
>
> Dolores
>
>
>
>
>

You can tell the difference between right and wrong? You don't think its ok
to be rude but have in turn insulted me and my parenting skills and through
in a bit about who Irish are better then USA students. Hmm... yeah, ok. Have
a nice day.

dolores

September 19th 03, 01:01 AM

"Tiffany" > wrote in message
...
>
> dolores > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Tiffany" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > dolores > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > "Tiffany" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > Carla > wrote in message
> > > > > om...
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I came here last year. I had some concerns with my daughters
grade
> 1
> > > > > > teacher who in the first week or two of school had insinuated my
> > > > > > daughter was ADD or had a learning disability. She was taken out
> of
> > > > > > his class during the school shuffle about in Canada last year,
and
> > > > > > given a new teacher. She ended up finishing grade one with
> straight
> > > > > > A's and B's. Her lowest mark, a B, not even a B-. That
particular
> > > > > > teacher had no concerns with her progress in any area. The
report
> > > > > > cards were postitive, and parent teacher meetings were helpful.
My
> > > > > > daughter went from a C- in reading at the beginning of the year
to
> a
> > > > > > B+ at the end of the last term. Her social skills were fine.
She
> > had
> > > > > > one satisfactory, the rest were good or excellent. In the entire
> > year
> > > > > > she had 2 repremands for arguing with one particular child and
was
> > > > > > given a think sheet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, this year, guess who her grade 2 teacher is?
> > > >
> > > > > If your daughter is getting good grades, don't worry about what
this
> > guy
> > > > is
> > > > > saying.
> > > >
> > > > What he is saying is not so much the problem....it's the effect he's
> > > having
> > > > on this little girl....and *that* is a major problem..
> > > >
> > >
> > > As of yet, there is no effect this year. Atleast nothing is posted
that
> > the
> > > child is having a hard time this year.
> > >
> > >
> > > > It is obvious your child is not his favorite and though it is
> > > > > unfair, it happens.
> > > >
> > > > Well is shouldnt happen...and he shouldnt be teaching....It's not
> > > accetable
> > > > in the adult workplace so why should it be acceptable in the
> classroom.
> > >
> > > Its not acceptable in whose work place?
> >
> > Anybodys' workplace Tiffany
> >
> > Everyone deals with others
> > > differently.
> >
> > Yes, In a professional, curteous and respectful manner.
> >
> > This man may appear to be 'mean'... maybe he is a tougher
> > > teacher and expects more.
> >
> > Qualities more suited to a juvenile deliquents establishment, not a
> kiddies
> > school.
> >
> > Maybe he is dead on about the child too.
> >
> > And even if he was...I'd still say his approach was unaceptable.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Don't let the comments of one teacher have you thinking
> > > > > anything is out of the ordinary with your child. You know your kid
> > > better
> > > > > then anyone. My daughter had a teacher that didn't particularly
like
> > her
> > > > one
> > > > > year..... we just grinned and got through the year and I stopped
> > meeting
> > > > > with him.
> > > >
> > > > So you just glibly accepted your childs education and future being
> > > > damaged.....
>
> Damaged? LMAO..... no I don't think if she becomes damaged that I can
blame
> it on one teacher many years ago.

Ok, lets use your logic then, shall we!....

You are saying that in no way could the negativity of one person, say a
teacher have a life long and deeply profound affect on a child ....

Then you must agree that the converse is also true....that in no way could
the *positive* words or actions, have a profoundly inspirational effect

Maybe you havent given this topic the depth of thought that maybe you
should......as a mother. There are an amazing amount of children, now
adults, that have their teachers to thank for their expertise or
world-renowned talent....and conversely.....need I continue!?!?!

Our children are a product of what we feed them, physically, spiritually,
morally and most important...mentally! Our opinion of it is neither here
nor there, what matters is how it's impacted on our children.

>
> > >
> > > Maybe the kid will be damaged if she is catered too also. The child is
> in
> > > second grade..... no ill comments have been made to the child. The
> mother
> > is
> > > the one hurt right now.
> >
> > >
> > > >It because of parents, with an attitude like yours, that we have
> > > > to deal with such bad teachers day in and day out....and our
children
> > > leave
> > > > school with a 2nd rate education...They *know* they can get away
with
> > > > it....and they do get away with it.....We as parents have to stand
up
> > and
> > > > make ourselves heard.....
> > >
> > > We are lucky for any education the kids get and if its second rate...
> > > educate your kid yourself.
> >
> > And this is the reason why even the Irish drop-outs are better educated
> than
> > the American High School achievers.....
> >
> > Its not just the teachers who should be teaching
> > > the kids. I teach my kid that not everyone is going to be the way she
> > wants
> > > them to be.
> >
> > In others words to accept second best.
>
> Its not accepting second best.... its accepting people for who they are.

Accepting people for who they are....does not mean what you seem to think it
does. Then, when your child comes home from school, distraught, crying,
hurt, ...your response will be.....Ah, get over it....if it's the worse
thing you ever experience then you'll be doing well......

Not
> everyone comes about as the kindest person in the world. Look at youself.

I very much doubt I'm a perfect mother....indeed I'm far from it....But as
for my kindness.....you'd have to meet me to make an informed judgement on
that. But this thread is not about me...or even you for that matter...Its
about something a great deal more important.....

>
> >
> > As for all these bad teachers..... can't say I have met one yet.
> >
> > Well given what you've written above it's no wonder. Your child
probably
> > wouldnt tell you.
> >
> > > My daughter is in 7th grade... maybe we will meet a bad one. Even the
> one
> > > teacher that seemed to be hard on her, felt as though he was being
> pretty
> > > tough on her, she had a fine year, was NOT damaged by it. If asked
> today,
> > > she would say she liked him.
> >
> > Count yourself as being very very lucky then. My 2nd son is one of the
> > lucky ones he always had really lovely teachers and he adored them
> all...My
> > eldest is a whole different story though.
> >
> > Why is a teacher only a bad teacher when they
> > > do or say something a parent doesn't like?
> >
> > Dunno about you Tiffany, but I'm old enough to know the difference
between
> > right and wrong..acceptable and unaceptable..
> >
> > I'm also well informed on the frameworks and guidelines in place that
> > educators of young children should follow...Not only that teaching is a
> > vocation...not merely a job...But above all ever teacher has a duty of
> care
> > towards our children as outlined in any teaching post remit.
> >
> > Dolores
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> You can tell the difference between right and wrong? You don't think its
ok
> to be rude but have in turn insulted me and my parenting skills

Well if you've taken what I've said as an insult, then so be it. I cant be
responsible for your interpretation of what I write.

and through
> in a bit about who Irish are better then USA students. Hmm... yeah, ok.

Dont you mean *throw* in a bit.....

Have
> a nice day.

It's bedtime actually.......

Dolores

©kat©

September 19th 03, 08:11 AM

"Carla" > wrote in message
om...
> Hi,
>
> I came here last year. I had some concerns with my daughters grade 1
> teacher who in the first week or two of school had insinuated my
> daughter was ADD or had a learning disability. She was taken out of
> his class during the school shuffle about in Canada last year, and
> given a new teacher. She ended up finishing grade one with straight
> A's and B's. Her lowest mark, a B, not even a B-. That particular
> teacher had no concerns with her progress in any area. The report
> cards were postitive, and parent teacher meetings were helpful. My
> daughter went from a C- in reading at the beginning of the year to a
> B+ at the end of the last term. Her social skills were fine. She had
> one satisfactory, the rest were good or excellent. In the entire year
> she had 2 repremands for arguing with one particular child and was
> given a think sheet.
>
> Well, this year, guess who her grade 2 teacher is? The same guy who
> was making the negative remarks last year. Last year, the first two
> weeks of school, he said "she is extremely fidgity" and excessively
> Chatty" Those are the things I remember. The first day of school this
> year... YES THE FIRST DAY. I saw him, and asked how she was adjusting.
> He said word for word "she is very absent minded" When I probed as to
> what he was talking about, he said she had gotten up from her desk,
> walked toward his desk, and when asked "what she wanted" She said she
> forgot. I assumed he made her nervous and brushed him off. Last night
> was parent teacher night. I went to see him. I asked how she was
> doing, he said "she is really unfocused". That said, first words, I
> told him, I'm extrememly irratated, as he has never said one positive
> thing about her and reminded him she was in his class last year, and
> he did the same thing. I told him I wanted facts to back this up. He
> stated she writes backwards. At times she does get the odd e or #3
> backwards, I'v noticed it myself. But I asked, how does that fit in
> with unfocused? He said "if I wanted to talk further, we could set up
> an appointment". I asked him, then what is the purpose of this meeting
> and you saing these things???? Long story short, I left, angry and
> upset. I left a message for the principal to contact me and kept her
> home today, to take her to her pediatrician incase I am missing
> something.
>
> Does this sound right to any of you guys? Has anyone had similar
> experiences? I take care of alot of her freinds from that class, and
> from her previous class. I don't see a HUGE difference in behavior or
> scholastic endevours. I could be missing something, but I honestly
> think it's this teacher. If you have suggestions in dealing with this,
> on a professional, and nonemotional level, please help me out here.
> I'm freakin right out.
>
> Thanks,
>
> C

I don't remember you, nor have I read any replies to this particular topic.
In kindergarden, my teacher was an extremely good one, if I remember
correctly. For some reason, looking back, I do believe I was definitely a
teacher's pet. I walked into kindergarden being able to tie my own shoes,
read a book, spell, say the alphabet, I knew my address, with postal code
included, and all that stuff that, generally, not every kid knew back then.
Only problem was, I read things backwards at times, and wrote letters and
numbers backwards. That teacher passed it off as a general problem that
some kids sometimes have with reading and writing at a fairly young age. It
was guessed that once everything was taught to me in a class, mostly in
grade 1, that would pass.
In the first grade, when we were learning to print our letters, I still
wrote letters and numbers backwards, even with a reference right infront of
me on the board. I do remember trying to copy the teacher exactly, but
printed letters and phrases would come out as a mirror image or backwards.
I remember shortly after school started my teacher called me stupid in
class. I ended up leaving school and walking the 10 or so blocks home,
crying. My mom called the school, mainly to express her disapproval and
shock at that teacher's pure ignorance and meanness. My mom talked to the
teacher and the teacher went on to explain that she didn't *really* think I
was stupid, but it just happened to "slip out" and that she figured I just
might be a bit bored in her class - IMHO, even today, that was very, very
unprofessional, and downright nasty.
After many, many tests and such, someone then concluded that although my
test scores were excellent, I was, indeed, dyslexic, and very bored in
class. To this day, it is actually easier for me to write things as a
mirror image, and I'm long out of first grade. My hand writing is nearly
impossible to read, but written as a mirror image, and held up to a mirror,
it is almost the perfect and ideal script.
See if there is anything available to you to check for dyslexia, and even
boredom or depression. If your daughter is getting good grades in school
with her last teacher, I highly doubt she is stupid or unable to learn. She
just might be bored in her class or intimidated by her current teacher.
What her current teacher did to her last year is just unacceptable, and I
believe that rather than look for flaws in your daughter, and possibly other
students, he should be finding things that she is good at and encouraging
them, and finding things she is weaker at and working on them.
ADD and ADHD seem to be diagnosed for almost everything nowadays when,
really, the problem could lie far from that.

Just my 2¢. I have no idea what others said, so I might be saying the exact
same things that have been said, or I might be saying the exact opposite.
Just an opinion from what MIGHT possibly be closer to being in your
daughter's shoes.

©kat©

September 19th 03, 08:12 AM

Oooh kaaay...
Is it just me, or all these replies coming up as "message no longer
available"?

treebeard

September 20th 03, 03:17 AM

"©kat©" > wrote in message
news:j_xab.13$it5.1@edtnps84...
>
> "Carla" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I came here last year. I had some concerns with my daughters grade 1
> > teacher who in the first week or two of school had insinuated my
> > daughter was ADD or had a learning disability. She was taken out of
> > his class during the school shuffle about in Canada last year, and
> > given a new teacher. She ended up finishing grade one with straight
> > A's and B's. Her lowest mark, a B, not even a B-. That particular
> > teacher had no concerns with her progress in any area. The report
> > cards were postitive, and parent teacher meetings were helpful. My
> > daughter went from a C- in reading at the beginning of the year to a
> > B+ at the end of the last term. Her social skills were fine. She had
> > one satisfactory, the rest were good or excellent. In the entire year
> > she had 2 repremands for arguing with one particular child and was
> > given a think sheet.
> >
> > Well, this year, guess who her grade 2 teacher is? The same guy who
> > was making the negative remarks last year. Last year, the first two
> > weeks of school, he said "she is extremely fidgity" and excessively
> > Chatty" Those are the things I remember. The first day of school this
> > year... YES THE FIRST DAY. I saw him, and asked how she was adjusting.
> > He said word for word "she is very absent minded" When I probed as to
> > what he was talking about, he said she had gotten up from her desk,
> > walked toward his desk, and when asked "what she wanted" She said she
> > forgot. I assumed he made her nervous and brushed him off. Last night
> > was parent teacher night. I went to see him. I asked how she was
> > doing, he said "she is really unfocused". That said, first words, I
> > told him, I'm extrememly irratated, as he has never said one positive
> > thing about her and reminded him she was in his class last year, and
> > he did the same thing. I told him I wanted facts to back this up. He
> > stated she writes backwards. At times she does get the odd e or #3
> > backwards, I'v noticed it myself. But I asked, how does that fit in
> > with unfocused?

It is possible that she has a learning disability but it is also possible
that what is being reported are symptoms of stress. You need to have her
evaluated by a professional to know for sure. Absent minded, being afraid
to talk to him after walking towards his desk, being unfocussed, the
backwards letters being used more often than normally - a slight problem
normally controllable by her - are all possible signs of stress. Would I be
correct in guessing that her second first grade teacher was a woman?
I would suggest an evaluation by either an MSW social worker or a
Psychologist to pick up on problems other than learning ones and I would
have a doctor give her a complete physical to be sure nothing is missed.
Roger - who is not in the field and will not give advice as that should come
from the professionals she sees.

He said "if I wanted to talk further, we could set up
> > an appointment". I asked him, then what is the purpose of this meeting
> > and you saing these things???? Long story short, I left, angry and
> > upset. I left a message for the principal to contact me and kept her
> > home today, to take her to her pediatrician incase I am missing
> > something.
> >
> > Does this sound right to any of you guys? Has anyone had similar
> > experiences? I take care of alot of her freinds from that class, and
> > from her previous class. I don't see a HUGE difference in behavior or
> > scholastic endevours. I could be missing something, but I honestly
> > think it's this teacher. If you have suggestions in dealing with this,
> > on a professional, and nonemotional level, please help me out here.
> > I'm freakin right out.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > C
>

Tiffany

September 20th 03, 01:53 PM

dolores > wrote in message
...
>
> "Tiffany" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
in message
> > > > > > om...
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I came here last year. I had some concerns with my daughters
> grade
> > 1
> > > > > > > teacher who in the first week or two of school had insinuated
my
> > > > > > > daughter was ADD or had a learning disability. She was taken
out
> > of
> > > > > > > his class during the school shuffle about in Canada last year,
> and
> > > > > > > given a new teacher. She ended up finishing grade one with
> > straight
> > > > > > > A's and B's. Her lowest mark, a B, not even a B-. That
> particular
> > > > > > > teacher had no concerns with her progress in any area. The
> report
> > > > > > > cards were postitive, and parent teacher meetings were
helpful.
> My
> > > > > > > daughter went from a C- in reading at the beginning of the
year
> to
> > a
> > > > > > > B+ at the end of the last term. Her social skills were fine.
> She
> > > had
> > > > > > > one satisfactory, the rest were good or excellent. In the
entire
> > > year
> > > > > > > she had 2 repremands for arguing with one particular child and
> was
> > > > > > > given a think sheet.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, this year, guess who her grade 2 teacher is?
> > > > >
> > > > > > If your daughter is getting good grades, don't worry about what
> this
> > > guy
> > > > > is
> > > > > > saying.
> > > > >
> > > > > What he is saying is not so much the problem....it's the effect
he's
> > > > having
> > > > > on this little girl....and *that* is a major problem..
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > As of yet, there is no effect this year. Atleast nothing is posted
> that
> > > the
> > > > child is having a hard time this year.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > It is obvious your child is not his favorite and though it is
> > > > > > unfair, it happens.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well is shouldnt happen...and he shouldnt be teaching....It's not
> > > > accetable
> > > > > in the adult workplace so why should it be acceptable in the
> > classroom.
> > > >
> > > > Its not acceptable in whose work place?
> > >
> > > Anybodys' workplace Tiffany
> > >
> > > Everyone deals with others
> > > > differently.
> > >
> > > Yes, In a professional, curteous and respectful manner.
> > >
> > > This man may appear to be 'mean'... maybe he is a tougher
> > > > teacher and expects more.
> > >
> > > Qualities more suited to a juvenile deliquents establishment, not a
> > kiddies
> > > school.
> > >
> > > Maybe he is dead on about the child too.
> > >
> > > And even if he was...I'd still say his approach was unaceptable.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't let the comments of one teacher have you thinking
> > > > > > anything is out of the ordinary with your child. You know your
kid
> > > > better
> > > > > > then anyone. My daughter had a teacher that didn't particularly
> like
> > > her
> > > > > one
> > > > > > year..... we just grinned and got through the year and I stopped
> > > meeting
> > > > > > with him.
> > > > >
> > > > > So you just glibly accepted your childs education and future being
> > > > > damaged.....
> >
> > Damaged? LMAO..... no I don't think if she becomes damaged that I can
> blame
> > it on one teacher many years ago.
>
> Ok, lets use your logic then, shall we!....
>
> You are saying that in no way could the negativity of one person, say a
> teacher have a life long and deeply profound affect on a child ....
>
> Then you must agree that the converse is also true....that in no way could
> the *positive* words or actions, have a profoundly inspirational effect

There is no way to totally shield someone from negativity all their lives.
>
> Maybe you havent given this topic the depth of thought that maybe you
> should......as a mother. There are an amazing amount of children, now
> adults, that have their teachers to thank for their expertise or
> world-renowned talent....and conversely.....need I continue!?!?!
>
> Our children are a product of what we feed them, physically, spiritually,
> morally and most important...mentally! Our opinion of it is neither here
> nor there, what matters is how it's impacted on our children.
>
> >
> > > >
> > > > Maybe the kid will be damaged if she is catered too also. The child
is
> > in
> > > > second grade..... no ill comments have been made to the child. The
> > mother
> > > is
> > > > the one hurt right now.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >It because of parents, with an attitude like yours, that we have
> > > > > to deal with such bad teachers day in and day out....and our
> children
> > > > leave
> > > > > school with a 2nd rate education...They *know* they can get away
> with
> > > > > it....and they do get away with it.....We as parents have to stand
> up
> > > and
> > > > > make ourselves heard.....
> > > >
> > > > We are lucky for any education the kids get and if its second
rate...
> > > > educate your kid yourself.
> > >
> > > And this is the reason why even the Irish drop-outs are better
educated
> > than
> > > the American High School achievers.....
> > >
> > > Its not just the teachers who should be teaching
> > > > the kids. I teach my kid that not everyone is going to be the way
she
> > > wants
> > > > them to be.
> > >
> > > In others words to accept second best.
> >
> > Its not accepting second best.... its accepting people for who they are.
>
> Accepting people for who they are....does not mean what you seem to think
it
> does. Then, when your child comes home from school, distraught, crying,
> hurt, ...your response will be.....Ah, get over it....if it's the worse
> thing you ever experience then you'll be doing well......

What about when the kid comes home crying because so and so doesn't want to
be her friend no more or the boy next to her doesn't like her..... you
suggest the parent remove child from that group of kids? My point is
sometimes a kid needs to deal with a situation. I still don't see where the
teacher was actually mean to the kid directly. But as I have posted to the
OP and she has replied, arguring with you is not really necessary. This
isn't about you or me, remember? lol But as you say no one should be around
negativity... how do you do such a good job not ever having negativity
around you? Damn, you must live in a bubble. Have you learnt to deal with
people or do you just run from them? (Not really a question you need to
answer)
>
> Not
> > everyone comes about as the kindest person in the world. Look at
youself.
>
> I very much doubt I'm a perfect mother....indeed I'm far from it....But as
> for my kindness.....you'd have to meet me to make an informed judgement on
> that. But this thread is not about me...or even you for that matter...Its
> about something a great deal more important.....
>
> >
> > >
> > > As for all these bad teachers..... can't say I have met one yet.
> > >
> > > Well given what you've written above it's no wonder. Your child
> probably
> > > wouldnt tell you.
> > >
> > > > My daughter is in 7th grade... maybe we will meet a bad one. Even
the
> > one
> > > > teacher that seemed to be hard on her, felt as though he was being
> > pretty
> > > > tough on her, she had a fine year, was NOT damaged by it. If asked
> > today,
> > > > she would say she liked him.
> > >
> > > Count yourself as being very very lucky then. My 2nd son is one of
the
> > > lucky ones he always had really lovely teachers and he adored them
> > all...My
> > > eldest is a whole different story though.
> > >
> > > Why is a teacher only a bad teacher when they
> > > > do or say something a parent doesn't like?
> > >
> > > Dunno about you Tiffany, but I'm old enough to know the difference
> between
> > > right and wrong..acceptable and unaceptable..
> > >
> > > I'm also well informed on the frameworks and guidelines in place that
> > > educators of young children should follow...Not only that teaching is
a
> > > vocation...not merely a job...But above all ever teacher has a duty of
> > care
> > > towards our children as outlined in any teaching post remit.
> > >
> > > Dolores
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > You can tell the difference between right and wrong? You don't think its
> ok
> > to be rude but have in turn insulted me and my parenting skills
>
> Well if you've taken what I've said as an insult, then so be it. I cant
be
> responsible for your interpretation of what I write.

You have been rude or more then one occasion..... I am not just talking
about now, I am talking in general.
>
> and through
> > in a bit about who Irish are better then USA students. Hmm... yeah, ok.
>
> Dont you mean *throw* in a bit.....

And now nitpicking about grammer.... lovely... this coming from someone who
posts yer.... along with your other Irish slang.
>
>
> Have
> > a nice day.

I should have posted instead, have a nice life as my dialogue with you is
over. I am not debating with someone who has now resorted to pointing out
grammer mistakes.
>
> It's bedtime actually.......

And that matters to me? lol
>
> Dolores
>
>
>
>

Joelle

September 20th 03, 03:23 PM

>There is no way to totally shield someone from negativity all their lives.

>What about when the kid comes home crying because so and so doesn't want to
>be her friend n

Okay, I do agree about how you can't shield your kids from life, but I gotta
really disagree with you here, TIffany, a teacher that spends so much time with
a kid and has SO much effect on a kid who has already made up their mind about
a child has way too much influence on the child to tolerate. Especially at
that young age. If it was one high school teacher out of a five, say, I might
tell the kid to grin and bear it, but second grade? No way. Going to the
principal, pulling the kid out, confronting the teacher, these are all the
right things to do.

>Damn, you must live in a bubble. Have you learnt to deal with
>people or do you just run from them? (Not really a question you need to
>answer)

I think now you are just being defensive because you were challenged that
maybe it wasn't such a good idea for you to allow your child to be exposed as
long as she was to a negative teacher. Well maybe it wasn't as bad for your
kid, maybe making her stick it out was the righ for her, in that situation.
You know best. But instead of being so intent on defending what you did, try
to see the bigger picture and how the influence of a teacher (especially in
lower grades) is something parents have a responsiblity to take a more active
role in than, say, little spats between young children.

Joelle

dolores

September 20th 03, 08:25 PM

"Tiffany" > wrote in message
...
>
> dolores > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Tiffany" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> in message
> > > > > > > om...
snip

> > >
> > > Damaged? LMAO..... no I don't think if she becomes damaged that I can
> > blame
> > > it on one teacher many years ago.
> >
> > Ok, lets use your logic then, shall we!....
> >
> > You are saying that in no way could the negativity of one person, say a
> > teacher have a life long and deeply profound affect on a child ....
> >
> > Then you must agree that the converse is also true....that in no way
could
> > the *positive* words or actions, have a profoundly inspirational effect
>

> There is no way to totally shield someone from negativity all their lives.

Where did I say otherwise, and since you havent contradicted my supposition
then I can only assume that you either agree, but admitting that would seem
to be a back down on your part...or disagree but cant find a good enough
arguement to prove me wrong. I may well be wrong, but somehow I dont think
you are in possession of enough material to do so.
> >
> > Maybe you havent given this topic the depth of thought that maybe you
> > should......as a mother. There are an amazing amount of children, now
> > adults, that have their teachers to thank for their expertise or
> > world-renowned talent....and conversely.....need I continue!?!?!
> >
> > Our children are a product of what we feed them, physically,
spiritually,
> > morally and most important...mentally! Our opinion of it is neither
here
> > nor there, what matters is how it's impacted on our children.
> >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe the kid will be damaged if she is catered too also. The
child
> is
> > > in
> > > > > second grade..... no ill comments have been made to the child. The
> > > mother
> > > > is
> > > > > the one hurt right now.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >It because of parents, with an attitude like yours, that we have
> > > > > > to deal with such bad teachers day in and day out....and our
> > children
> > > > > leave
> > > > > > school with a 2nd rate education...They *know* they can get away
> > with
> > > > > > it....and they do get away with it.....We as parents have to
stand
> > up
> > > > and
> > > > > > make ourselves heard.....
> > > > >
> > > > > We are lucky for any education the kids get and if its second
> rate...
> > > > > educate your kid yourself.
> > > >
> > > > And this is the reason why even the Irish drop-outs are better
> educated
> > > than
> > > > the American High School achievers.....
> > > >
> > > > Its not just the teachers who should be teaching
> > > > > the kids. I teach my kid that not everyone is going to be the way
> she
> > > > wants
> > > > > them to be.
> > > >
> > > > In others words to accept second best.
> > >
> > > Its not accepting second best.... its accepting people for who they
are.
> >
> > Accepting people for who they are....does not mean what you seem to
think
> it
> > does. Then, when your child comes home from school, distraught, crying,
> > hurt, ...your response will be.....Ah, get over it....if it's the worse
> > thing you ever experience then you'll be doing well......
>
> What about when the kid comes home crying because so and so doesn't want
to
> be her friend no more or the boy next to her doesn't like her..... you
> suggest the parent remove child from that group of kids?

And this issue arose where excatly?

My point is
> sometimes a kid needs to deal with a situation. I still don't see where
the
> teacher was actually mean to the kid directly. But as I have posted to the
> OP and she has replied, arguring with you is not really necessary.

But you still chose to all the same.
This
> isn't about you or me, remember?

As I've already told you, but you insist on making it so.

lol But as you say no one should be around
> negativity... how do you do such a good job not ever having negativity
> around you? Damn, you must live in a bubble. Have you learnt to deal with
> people or do you just run from them? (Not really a question you need to
> answer)

And still insist...

Snipped

> > >
> > > You can tell the difference between right and wrong? You don't think
its
> > ok
> > > to be rude but have in turn insulted me and my parenting skills
> >
> > Well if you've taken what I've said as an insult, then so be it. I cant
> be
> > responsible for your interpretation of what I write.
>
> You have been rude or more then one occasion..... I am not just talking
> about now, I am talking in general.

And *still* trying to focus on my character. Rather think you are the one
that has shown a predisposition towards rudeness, not I.

> >
> > and through
> > > in a bit about who Irish are better then USA students. Hmm... yeah,
ok.
> >
> > Dont you mean *throw* in a bit.....
>
> And now nitpicking about grammer.... lovely... this coming from someone
who
> posts yer.... along with your other Irish slang.

Do I really need to point out that there is a vast difference between the
use of dialect and poor grammer.

> >
> >
> > Have
> > > a nice day.
>
> I should have posted instead, have a nice life as my dialogue with you is
> over. I am not debating with someone who has now resorted to pointing out
> grammer mistakes.

LOLOL...... but it's ok for you to be rude... Well what's sauce for the
goose is sauce for the gander...only I chose *not* to be insulting or
offensive or deliberately beligerent.
> >
> > It's bedtime actually.......
>
> And that matters to me? lol

Get over yerself and get a grip Tiffany.

> >
> > Dolores
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Paul Griffiths

September 20th 03, 10:55 PM

"dolores" > wrote in message
...
> "Tiffany" > wrote in message
> ...

<snip>

> > And now nitpicking about grammer.... lovely... this coming from someone
> > who posts yer.... along with your other Irish slang.
>
> Do I really need to point out that there is a vast difference between the
> use of dialect and poor grammer.

Just as a point of information, it's spelled grammar. Around here it is
anyway. ;-)

--
Paul Griffiths

Carla

September 21st 03, 12:16 AM

>
> I don't remember you, nor have I read any replies to this particular topic.
> In kindergarden, my teacher was an extremely good one, if I remember
> correctly. For some reason, looking back, I do believe I was definitely a
> teacher's pet. I walked into kindergarden being able to tie my own shoes,
> read a book, spell, say the alphabet, I knew my address, with postal code
> included, and all that stuff that, generally, not every kid knew back then.
> Only problem was, I read things backwards at times, and wrote letters and
> numbers backwards. That teacher passed it off as a general problem that
> some kids sometimes have with reading and writing at a fairly young age. It
> was guessed that once everything was taught to me in a class, mostly in
> grade 1, that would pass.
> In the first grade, when we were learning to print our letters, I still
> wrote letters and numbers backwards, even with a reference right infront of
> me on the board. I do remember trying to copy the teacher exactly, but
> printed letters and phrases would come out as a mirror image or backwards.
> I remember shortly after school started my teacher called me stupid in
> class. I ended up leaving school and walking the 10 or so blocks home,
> crying. My mom called the school, mainly to express her disapproval and
> shock at that teacher's pure ignorance and meanness. My mom talked to the
> teacher and the teacher went on to explain that she didn't *really* think I
> was stupid, but it just happened to "slip out" and that she figured I just
> might be a bit bored in her class - IMHO, even today, that was very, very
> unprofessional, and downright nasty.
> After many, many tests and such, someone then concluded that although my
> test scores were excellent, I was, indeed, dyslexic, and very bored in
> class. To this day, it is actually easier for me to write things as a
> mirror image, and I'm long out of first grade. My hand writing is nearly
> impossible to read, but written as a mirror image, and held up to a mirror,
> it is almost the perfect and ideal script.
> See if there is anything available to you to check for dyslexia, and even
> boredom or depression. If your daughter is getting good grades in school
> with her last teacher, I highly doubt she is stupid or unable to learn. She
> just might be bored in her class or intimidated by her current teacher.
> What her current teacher did to her last year is just unacceptable, and I
> believe that rather than look for flaws in your daughter, and possibly other
> students, he should be finding things that she is good at and encouraging
> them, and finding things she is weaker at and working on them.
> ADD and ADHD seem to be diagnosed for almost everything nowadays when,
> really, the problem could lie far from that.
>
> Just my 2¢. I have no idea what others said, so I might be saying the exact
> same things that have been said, or I might be saying the exact opposite.
> Just an opinion from what MIGHT possibly be closer to being in your
> daughter's shoes.

Hi There,

My doctor ruled that out. She write letters backwards occassionally.
But not always and not always the same letters. There was one
occassion in the class where she did mirror the blackboard, and did
not even space her letters. In grade two maybe the 4th or 5th day of
school. I have no explanation. Nerves maybe? Her grade one grade for
reading was B+ and B for writting. Most everything else was A- to A.

Here is what her report card summerizes for grade 1.

Strengths/Weaknesses/Next Steps:

_Child_ completes tasks in a timely fashion and works well with little
supervision. She is able to focus herself and seldom requires
reminders to attend to her own work. _Child_ strives to persevere with
tasks that require sustained effort. She has shown progress in her
abilities to work and play cooperatively with others in the classroom
and in the school community and is encouraged next year to
consistently apply stragies learned to resolve conflicts
appropriately. _Child_ has demonstrated some goal setting abilities to
identify areas where tasks can be improved. A commendable effort all
year round _child_!

C

Carla

September 21st 03, 12:47 AM

"treebeard" > wrote in message >...
> "©kat©" > wrote in message
> news:j_xab.13$it5.1@edtnps84...

> It is possible that she has a learning disability but it is also possible
> that what is being reported are symptoms of stress.

I wondered about that, but her work at home is fantastic, and I was
really not able to view much of anything else in the class room except
her drawing/explanation of why she was special. On the left side it
was well written and was that one sentence completely backwards and
unspaced. I never had a chance to figure out what it said, or where
she copied it from.

You need to have her
> evaluated by a professional to know for sure. Absent minded, being afraid
> to talk to him after walking towards his desk, being unfocussed, the
> backwards letters being used more often than normally - a slight problem
> normally controllable by her - are all possible signs of stress. Would I be
> correct in guessing that her second first grade teacher was a woman?

Yes it would. Though he was her first teacher for the first week, and
she had a male teacher and a female in JK and SK in private school.
She seemed to be alright with it.

> I would suggest an evaluation by either an MSW social worker

What is an MSW social worker?

or a
> Psychologist to pick up on problems other than learning ones and I would
> have a doctor give her a complete physical to be sure nothing is missed.

The only male figure in her life right now (aside from her teacher) is
her biological father, who is a great dad, and very much a part of her
life. She loves spending time with him. & her teacher. Though, I don't
even know the last time she had a physical, she was just examined and
x-rayed because I was concerned about her step being inturned. The
results revealed, her bones were forming fine in her knee's and hips,
and she did not require a orthapathic doctor to look at it furhter.
She was encouraged to walk heel toe, and feet straight, don't sit on
her feet. etc.

I can ask for a physical, I am confident she's fine. She started to
get emotional after she started grade 2, 3rd day with this teacher.
The comments are not normal or professional. Think about it. It's only
the end of the 3rd week, in between he was off for an entire week, and
there was a PA day. He said she was absent minded the first day of
school. Made all these very serious observations in less then 10 days
of knowing her in a classroom of 30 kids!

After reading and re-reading over and over again the synopsis of grade
1's report, and then listening to this dude, I'm kinda wondering, just
how screwed in the head he is?? Punkins and I travelled all summer.
She was happy as a kid in a toy store. I do know this: If she comes
to me, when I'm in mid nap or telephone conversation, I snap at her
and say What! What is it!! It is typical for her to say "I forgot" not
because she forgot, but - because I yelled. No, I'm not perfect. But I
can tell, that he must have used a tone of voice that intimidated her.
She only said "I forgot" once to him. That is by no means indicative
of absent mindedness. She does get the odd E or #3 backwards. Her work
from last year shows the same with S's and 5's, occassional Z's. But
years end it was pretty accurate and very legible.

So, I can do all this work, physicals, professionals, search for signs
of stressors. I'd really prefer to get her into a different class.
It's my gut it is the teacher. Not a male thing. It's the teacher. He
makes her feel bad, and frankly he makes me feel bad. Even if she does
end up diagnosed with a learning disability, he does not makes it
sound acceptable, rather, like "DO SOMETHING NOW MISS PUNKINS MUM!" I
am doin my darn best here!

C

> Roger - who is not in the field and will not give advice as that should come
> from the professionals she sees.
>
> He said "if I wanted to talk further, we could set up
> > > an appointment". I asked him, then what is the purpose of this meeting
> > > and you saing these things???? Long story short, I left, angry and
> > > upset. I left a message for the principal to contact me and kept her
> > > home today, to take her to her pediatrician incase I am missing
> > > something.
> > >
> > > Does this sound right to any of you guys? Has anyone had similar
> > > experiences? I take care of alot of her freinds from that class, and
> > > from her previous class. I don't see a HUGE difference in behavior or
> > > scholastic endevours. I could be missing something, but I honestly
> > > think it's this teacher. If you have suggestions in dealing with this,
> > > on a professional, and nonemotional level, please help me out here.
> > > I'm freakin right out.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > C
> >

Tiffany

September 21st 03, 01:57 AM

Joelle > wrote in message
...
> >There is no way to totally shield someone from negativity all their
lives.
>
> >What about when the kid comes home crying because so and so doesn't want
to
> >be her friend n
>
> Okay, I do agree about how you can't shield your kids from life, but I
gotta
> really disagree with you here, TIffany, a teacher that spends so much time
with
> a kid and has SO much effect on a kid who has already made up their mind
about
> a child has way too much influence on the child to tolerate. Especially
at
> that young age. If it was one high school teacher out of a five, say, I
might
> tell the kid to grin and bear it, but second grade? No way. Going to
the
> principal, pulling the kid out, confronting the teacher, these are all the
> right things to do.
>
> >Damn, you must live in a bubble. Have you learnt to deal with
> >people or do you just run from them? (Not really a question you need to
> >answer)
>
> I think now you are just being defensive because you were challenged that
> maybe it wasn't such a good idea for you to allow your child to be exposed
as
> long as she was to a negative teacher. Well maybe it wasn't as bad for
your
> kid, maybe making her stick it out was the righ for her, in that
situation.
> You know best. But instead of being so intent on defending what you did,
try
> to see the bigger picture and how the influence of a teacher (especially
in
> lower grades) is something parents have a responsiblity to take a more
active
> role in than, say, little spats between young children.
>
> Joelle

Joelle, I have never stated that a teacher doesn't influence a child. But
there is nothing stating that the teacher did say anything mean spirited to
the child. The fact is other things could be going on emotionally with this
child and that seems to be over looked. I don't comment on any learning
disability as that is something I can't associate with. I will comment on
that child experience stress, emotions, ect. Yes, the teacher should say
positive things about the child but why assume that if the child is being
emotional, its because the teacher is mean? When I mentioned the one teacher
being hard on my child, his intent was as he stated " I know she can do more
if she tries." At one point I thought he did have it out for her. But then
he told me the above statement. He was very hard on her when grading. He was
not a negative teacher. If I ever said he was actually a negative teacher, I
take that back. I don't feel I was challenged about how I raise my kid, I
felt someone was trying to insult me for my parenting skills. My initial
point was that it is not always best to jump the gun and pull a child out of
a classroom. There could be other things going on. It was also my thought
that kids DO have to learn that everyone is different, so teachers are
different too. Some expect a lot, others don't. Some you can easily get A's,
others you have to work hard for those A's. As for the teacher telling
parents that their children have LD's, ADD, or ADHD..... Only a doctor can
diagnose and only the parent can agree to medicate a child.

I am sure the OP and her child will be fine and if put into another class
room will do great. As this situation is causing Mom stress, it is best she
do what she has to do. I just wanted to offer different incite on the
matter. All teachers have different expectations and I just wonder if this
teacher in discussion has higher expectations then the others at that grade?
He did apparently teacher higher grades so its possible.

Also wanting to add..... I vaguely remembered when Carla first posted about
her daughter last year. She did have issues with the fact the teacher was
male and she thought it might have "through her off" that this male wasn't
all about fun and games like her father, who is a weekend father and doesn't
discipline much.

Thanks for your opinion Joelle. I always appreciate your honesty.

Ignore any errors in my grammar, spelling, typing skills, ect.

T

Tiffany

September 21st 03, 02:24 AM

dolores > wrote in message
...
>
> "Tiffany" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
snipped
>
>
> > > >
> > > > Damaged? LMAO..... no I don't think if she becomes damaged that I
can
> > > blame
> > > > it on one teacher many years ago.
> > >
> > > Ok, lets use your logic then, shall we!....
> > >
> > > You are saying that in no way could the negativity of one person, say
a
> > > teacher have a life long and deeply profound affect on a child ....
> > >
> > > Then you must agree that the converse is also true....that in no way
> could
> > > the *positive* words or actions, have a profoundly inspirational
effect
> >
>
> > There is no way to totally shield someone from negativity all their
lives.
>
> Where did I say otherwise, and since you havent contradicted my
supposition
> then I can only assume that you either agree, but admitting that would
seem
> to be a back down on your part...or disagree but cant find a good enough
> arguement to prove me wrong. I may well be wrong, but somehow I dont think
> you are in possession of enough material to do so.
> > >

I never said negativity doesn't affect people. But there is no way to avoid
it. Please read my response to Joelle. I am tired of stating that other
factors could be in play here and have nothing to do with the teacher. I
have also wished the OP well and the child too.

snipped

>
> lol But as you say no one should be around
> > negativity... how do you do such a good job not ever having negativity
> > around you? Damn, you must live in a bubble. Have you learnt to deal
with
> > people or do you just run from them? (Not really a question you need to
> > answer)
>
> And still insist...

When do you start letting your kids learn the difference in people, good or
bad? I do not think it is good to have a kid around negative things/people.
Again, please read my response to Joelle.
>
> Snipped
>
> And *still* trying to focus on my character. Rather think you are the one
> that has shown a predisposition towards rudeness, not I.

Come on now..... read back. This is becoming childish. "You were rude
first.... no, you were." I can do a google search and show you some rudeness
you displayed so please don't go there. I don't have the time.
>
> LOLOL...... but it's ok for you to be rude... Well what's sauce for the
> goose is sauce for the gander...only I chose *not* to be insulting or
> offensive or deliberately beligerent.
> > >

One will typically reply in a defensive manner when their parenting skills
are attacked. Not a strange consept. So I did throw in what one might call
an insult after that point. But for you to say you didn't insult? Alteast I
admit it when emotion gets the best of me. I wonder though, why when the OP
didn't agree with me and stated in a adult way, even when Joelle commented
that she also didn't agree, in a adult way...... why is it just you and I
who continue argueing? Hmm... I know. They didn't insult.... they pointed
out their feelings and didn't tell me I was going to have a damaged kid or
that I was allowing second best for my kid.
As much as I regret that tempation got the best of me and I had to reply to
you, Delores, this is not helpful to anyone so it is useless to go on.
In the end, if you really read my replies to Joelle and the OP you will see
that I am not against the child being removed from the teacher. There are
other things to consider though.
Thank you for all your insight.
Have a nice day/night/afternoon/evening.

Tiffany

September 21st 03, 02:28 AM

Paul Griffiths > wrote in message
...
> "dolores" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Tiffany" > wrote in message
> > ...
>
> <snip>
>
> > > And now nitpicking about grammer.... lovely... this coming from
someone
> > > who posts yer.... along with your other Irish slang.
> >
> > Do I really need to point out that there is a vast difference between
the
> > use of dialect and poor grammer.
>
> Just as a point of information, it's spelled grammar. Around here it is
> anyway. ;-)
>
>
> --
> Paul Griffiths
>
>

You are such a smart ass. lol :)

T

treebeard

September 21st 03, 03:13 AM

"Carla" > wrote in message
m...
> "treebeard" > wrote in message
>...
> > "©kat©" > wrote in message
> > news:j_xab.13$it5.1@edtnps84...
>
> > I would suggest an evaluation by either an MSW social worker
>
> What is an MSW social worker?
>

MSW is a social worker with a masters degree. In the United States in most
states, including my own, a BSW - bachelor of social work - can work with
the supervision of an MSW under state licensing law. There are also PhDs
but very few or there were very few in the 80's, I haven't followed the
field much since then and there might be more now.

>
> I can ask for a physical, I am confident she's fine.

Possibly, but better safe than sorry.

>
> So, I can do all this work, physicals, professionals, search for signs
> of stressors. I'd really prefer to get her into a different class.

That might be a good idea as well. I did not rule it in or out.

> It's my gut it is the teacher. Not a male thing.

Quite possible, I didn't say it wasn't. I know that there might be more too
it so I suggested you see professionals and find out for certain. If
nothing is wrong what do you lose and if anything is wrong you can deal with
it.
Roger - who is not in the field and will not give advice as that should
come from the professionals she sees.

Paul Griffiths

September 21st 03, 09:15 AM

"Tiffany" > wrote in message
...
> Paul Griffiths > wrote in message
> ...
> > "dolores" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > "Tiffany" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > > And now nitpicking about grammer.... lovely... this coming from
> > > > someone who posts yer.... along with your other Irish slang.
> > >
> > > Do I really need to point out that there is a vast difference between
> > > the use of dialect and poor grammer.
> >
> > Just as a point of information, it's spelled grammar. Around here it is
> > anyway. ;-)
>
> You are such a smart ass. lol :)

And one who enjoys living dangerously on occasion. :-))

--
Paul Griffiths

dolores

September 22nd 03, 12:02 AM

"Tiffany" > wrote in message
...
>
> dolores > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Tiffany" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> snipped
> >
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > Damaged? LMAO..... no I don't think if she becomes damaged that I
> can
> > > > blame
> > > > > it on one teacher many years ago.
> > > >
> > > > Ok, lets use your logic then, shall we!....
> > > >
> > > > You are saying that in no way could the negativity of one person,
say
> a
> > > > teacher have a life long and deeply profound affect on a child ....
> > > >
> > > > Then you must agree that the converse is also true....that in no way
> > could
> > > > the *positive* words or actions, have a profoundly inspirational
> effect
> > >
> >
> > > There is no way to totally shield someone from negativity all their
> lives.
> >
> > Where did I say otherwise, and since you havent contradicted my
> supposition
> > then I can only assume that you either agree, but admitting that would
> seem
> > to be a back down on your part...or disagree but cant find a good enough
> > arguement to prove me wrong. I may well be wrong, but somehow I dont
think
> > you are in possession of enough material to do so.
> > > >
>
> I never said negativity doesn't affect people. But there is no way to
avoid
> it. Please read my response to Joelle. I am tired of stating that other
> factors could be in play here and have nothing to do with the teacher. I
> have also wished the OP well and the child too.
>
> snipped
>
>
>
> >
> > lol But as you say no one should be around
> > > negativity... how do you do such a good job not ever having negativity
> > > around you? Damn, you must live in a bubble. Have you learnt to deal
> with
> > > people or do you just run from them? (Not really a question you need
to
> > > answer)
> >
> > And still insist...
>
> When do you start letting your kids learn the difference in people, good
or
> bad? I do not think it is good to have a kid around negative
things/people.
> Again, please read my response to Joelle.
> >
> > Snipped
> >
> > And *still* trying to focus on my character. Rather think you are the
one
> > that has shown a predisposition towards rudeness, not I.
>
> Come on now..... read back. This is becoming childish. "You were rude
> first.... no, you were." I can do a google search and show you some
rudeness
> you displayed so please don't go there. I don't have the time.
> >
> > LOLOL...... but it's ok for you to be rude... Well what's sauce for the
> > goose is sauce for the gander...only I chose *not* to be insulting or
> > offensive or deliberately beligerent.
> > > >
>
> One will typically reply in a defensive manner when their parenting skills
> are attacked. Not a strange consept. So I did throw in what one might call
> an insult after that point. But for you to say you didn't insult? Alteast
I
> admit it when emotion gets the best of me. I wonder though, why when the
OP
> didn't agree with me and stated in a adult way, even when Joelle commented
> that she also didn't agree, in a adult way...... why is it just you and I
> who continue argueing? Hmm... I know. They didn't insult.... they pointed
> out their feelings and didn't tell me I was going to have a damaged kid or
> that I was allowing second best for my kid.
> As much as I regret that tempation got the best of me and I had to reply
to
> you, Delores, this is not helpful to anyone so it is useless to go on.
> In the end, if you really read my replies to Joelle and the OP you will
see
> that I am not against the child being removed from the teacher. There are
> other things to consider though.
> Thank you for all your insight.
> Have a nice day/night/afternoon/evening.
>

Yada yada yada...too tired to be bothered.

Long story short...I might not always be right, but I'm never wrong. lolol.

Dolores
>
>
>

Go_Chiefs

December 21st 03, 11:54 PM

Carla wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I came here last year. I had some concerns with my daughters grade 1
> teacher who in the first week or two of school had insinuated my
> daughter was ADD or had a learning disability. She was taken out of
> his class during the school shuffle about in Canada last year, and
> given a new teacher. She ended up finishing grade one with straight
> A's and B's. Her lowest mark, a B, not even a B-. That particular
> teacher had no concerns with her progress in any area. The report
> cards were postitive, and parent teacher meetings were helpful. My
> daughter went from a C- in reading at the beginning of the year to a
> B+ at the end of the last term. Her social skills were fine. She had
> one satisfactory, the rest were good or excellent. In the entire year
> she had 2 repremands for arguing with one particular child and was
> given a think sheet.
>
> Well, this year, guess who her grade 2 teacher is? The same guy who
> was making the negative remarks last year. Last year, the first two
> weeks of school, he said "she is extremely fidgity" and excessively
> Chatty" Those are the things I remember. The first day of school this
> year... YES THE FIRST DAY. I saw him, and asked how she was adjusting.
> He said word for word "she is very absent minded" When I probed as to
> what he was talking about, he said she had gotten up from her desk,
> walked toward his desk, and when asked "what she wanted" She said she
> forgot. I assumed he made her nervous and brushed him off. Last night
> was parent teacher night. I went to see him. I asked how she was
> doing, he said "she is really unfocused". That said, first words, I
> told him, I'm extrememly irratated, as he has never said one positive
> thing about her and reminded him she was in his class last year, and
> he did the same thing. I told him I wanted facts to back this up. He
> stated she writes backwards. At times she does get the odd e or #3
> backwards, I'v noticed it myself. But I asked, how does that fit in
> with unfocused? He said "if I wanted to talk further, we could set up
> an appointment". I asked him, then what is the purpose of this meeting
> and you saing these things???? Long story short, I left, angry and
> upset. I left a message for the principal to contact me and kept her
> home today, to take her to her pediatrician incase I am missing
> something.
>
> Does this sound right to any of you guys? Has anyone had similar
> experiences? I take care of alot of her freinds from that class, and
> from her previous class. I don't see a HUGE difference in behavior or
> scholastic endevours. I could be missing something, but I honestly
> think it's this teacher. If you have suggestions in dealing with this,
> on a professional, and nonemotional level, please help me out here.
> I'm freakin right out.

First off have you talked to any of the other parents? I'd start
there. If they too say that this guy is giving them trouble then
go to the Principal... Explain the FACTS to them and have the
others do the same. Explain that you hope not to involve the
School Board or State Board of Education. State that it is
illegal to practice medicine without a license & it would be very
unfortunate for everyone if you & the group should seek legal
representation on the matter.

Also Ask this teacher what qualifies him to make a medical
diagnosis of your child. Ask to see a medical Certificate
stating he is licensed to practice medicine. Inform him it
is ILLEGAL to Practice medicine without credentials to do so

Explain he is to stop "Abusing" your daughter or he WILL be
reported not only for Child Abuse but Practicing Medicine Illegally.

Should these NOT solve your problem with this teacher make an
announcement at the PTA or whatever org. serves your District
that if anyone else has had any problems with this teacher & has
"diagnosed" their child to have them contact you after the
meeting or at home.

Outing this guy is bad for him & if an Atty is present mention
you are interested in taking legal action if you can not get
the school to do something about this jerk.

Go to the school board then state Board of education (If in
canada then your equivalent) Get the local Politicians involved.
If need be Go to the media...

So basically set up a plan of action starting with the teacher
then start climbing the ladder one boss at a time.

Ike

>
> Thanks,
>
> C