Need help in Texas QUICK!!!

[Cattlebarronness]

Okay well I have asked yall for help before and did get a little. Well I
have been served for the 3rd yr. in a row. I have done everything I can to
try and get the Attorney General to drop my case including paying what ever
I need so that this case will go away. I want no support. So those of you
that think I'm in it for the money your wrong. I'm trying to find out
information to keep my child safe and sane. Her bio-father is currently
back in jail/prison(not sure which). He is a registered sex-offender, has
about 10 or more alias and has been back and forth in jail since forever. I
did not find any of this out until he and I were no longer together. I just
happen to be looking peoples names up on www.openrecords.org when I found
him. Not only did I find him registered but also his father. So I paid
what it cost to get complete criminal histories and it did pay off. But that
is just a little back ground history. Now what I need help with is what are
the visitation and support laws for ncp's in jail in Texas? I have searched
the web and can not seem to find anything. If you have anything you can
tell me about this or were to find more info please help. I have waited
till the last minute to ask for help but I have to be in court at 8 am Wed.
morning. Thank you.

[Cattlebarronness]

Well as far as how long he will be in jail I have no idea. I don't even
know where he is in jail. The Attorney General is the one that told me he
was back in jail. My daughter doesn't even know him because he hasn't made
an attempt to see her in exactly 4 yr. to the date. So I am hoping they
will not make me take her to any jail to see him. I'm just so scared right
now for her. I know I sound selfish. I am her protector and feel like if I
don't try my best to protector her from everything I possibly can I have
failed.

If he gets money in jail or not is not my concern. I don't want or need his
money. In the last 4 yr.. I have improved mine and my daughters life 100
fold. She is doing well in school. She is going into 1st grade and is a
year younger than the other children in her class. I have a college fund
set up and have paid for medical, vision, dental and life insurance on her
so I do not see where I need any money from him since I am able to provide
for her with out him or his money.

I'm sorry if I am just rambling on and on and on. The only thing I don't
have is anyone to talk to about this. I know of no one that has been
through this or is in the same situation. I guess I'm just hopping I will
find something said to me as some kind of relief so I can sleep tonight and
know my child is safe. Thanks for your time.

[AZ Astrea]

"Cattlebarronness" > wrote in message
...
> Well as far as how long he will be in jail I have no idea. I don't even
> know where he is in jail. The Attorney General is the one that told me he
> was back in jail. My daughter doesn't even know him because he hasn't
made
> an attempt to see her in exactly 4 yr. to the date. So I am hoping they
> will not make me take her to any jail to see him.
------------------------------
No, they will not make you take her to jail to see him. Depending on the
circumstances you may be able sever his parental rights. That way there
will never be a question of support or visitation.
----------------------------------

I'm just so scared right
> now for her. I know I sound selfish. I am her protector and feel like if
I
> don't try my best to protector her from everything I possibly can I have
> failed.
>
> If he gets money in jail or not is not my concern.
---------------------------------------
Most prison inmates earn about 15 cents to 25 cents an hour for work.
Occasionally they can earn as much as $1 to $2 an hour working for a private
company set up in the prison. For people in jail (not prison) there is
rarely an opportunity to earn any money. Is he in jail or prison? Has he
expressed an interest in seeing her? Is there a reason you don't want him
to see her,(abuse, etc)?

~AZ~

I don't want or need his
> money. In the last 4 yr.. I have improved mine and my daughters life 100
> fold. She is doing well in school. She is going into 1st grade and is a
> year younger than the other children in her class. I have a college fund
> set up and have paid for medical, vision, dental and life insurance on her
> so I do not see where I need any money from him since I am able to provide
> for her with out him or his money.
>
> I'm sorry if I am just rambling on and on and on. The only thing I don't
> have is anyone to talk to about this. I know of no one that has been
> through this or is in the same situation. I guess I'm just hopping I will
> find something said to me as some kind of relief so I can sleep tonight
and
> know my child is safe. Thanks for your time.
>
>

[dC]

"Cattlebarronness" > wrote in message
...
> Well as far as how long he will be in jail I have no idea. I don't even
> know where he is in jail. The Attorney General is the one that told me he

i had thought if someone responded to you then there'd be bunches of
responses to follow ... since that didn't happen, you'll just have to wait
'til tomorrow to find out the answers to your questions --- i am under the
impression that anyone who is incarcerated is pretty much considered a
non-entity in the eyes of the law. Texas inmates used to have their own
in-house lawyers who actually worked for TDC to represent them - for
example - when they assaulted another inmate or guard or something. i don't
think that's the case now. if the father hasn't shown an interest up until
now - maybe what you need to do is ask how you can file a request to
terminate his parental rights. you have a better chance of succeeding in
terminating his rights now that he's in jail then at any other time.

write down a list of questions you want to ask the attorney and write down
exactly what you want to achieve with Any kind of court proceedings ---
attorneys are better able to deal with an organized and directed thinker
than with someone who is emotional and without focus. you have every reason
to be emotional, i know, but it doesn't go over well with the brainiacs in
the courtroom and above all you want what's best for your child, right?

so go in that courtroom tomorrow morning with an agenda and ask "what can i
do to make ______________ happen?"

take care,
dC

[Cattlebarronness]

Thanks DC. I am on my way out the door in a few minutes. I will try and
post later today what if anything happened. I have a manila envelope with
all everything in it I can think of and also have a folder put together for
questions. So I guess I'm ready as I'll ever be. Thanks again for your
replies.
Keeping fingers crossed and walking out the door.

[Randy Jabsco]

Have you asked the child if she wishes to see her father or not?

--
Randy

Please don't bottom-post...
It's a bitch to scroll down.

"Cattlebarronness" > wrote in message
...
> Well as far as how long he will be in jail I have no idea. I don't even
> know where he is in jail. The Attorney General is the one that told me he
> was back in jail. My daughter doesn't even know him because he hasn't
made
> an attempt to see her in exactly 4 yr. to the date. So I am hoping they
> will not make me take her to any jail to see him. I'm just so scared
right
> now for her. I know I sound selfish. I am her protector and feel like if
I
> don't try my best to protector her from everything I possibly can I have
> failed.
>
> If he gets money in jail or not is not my concern. I don't want or need
his
> money. In the last 4 yr.. I have improved mine and my daughters life 100
> fold. She is doing well in school. She is going into 1st grade and is a
> year younger than the other children in her class. I have a college fund
> set up and have paid for medical, vision, dental and life insurance on her
> so I do not see where I need any money from him since I am able to provide
> for her with out him or his money.
>
> I'm sorry if I am just rambling on and on and on. The only thing I don't
> have is anyone to talk to about this. I know of no one that has been
> through this or is in the same situation. I guess I'm just hopping I will
> find something said to me as some kind of relief so I can sleep tonight
and
> know my child is safe. Thanks for your time.
>
>

[glow]

Please don't take offence of this I do not in any way support false
allegations of Abuse to prevent contact. But a convicted paedophile should
not have any contact whatsoever with any children. Such a crime should
remove all the criminals rights in regards to children. (honestly I think
they should all be castrated also as a prevention/punishment. Rendered
infertile.)

This is one thing I know from experience if she can stop any abuse before it
happens and he has been convicted of such offences then she should take very
step to prevent her own child becoming one of his victims.

A child of that age honestly would not be able to comprehend the
implications of knowing her father. These people can be manipulative and
cunning, do not underestimate them.

"Randy Jabsco" > wrote in message
s.com...
> Have you asked the child if she wishes to see her father or not?
>
> --
> Randy
>
> Please don't bottom-post...
> It's a bitch to scroll down.
>
> "Cattlebarronness" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Well as far as how long he will be in jail I have no idea. I don't even
> > know where he is in jail. The Attorney General is the one that told me
he
> > was back in jail. My daughter doesn't even know him because he hasn't
> made
> > an attempt to see her in exactly 4 yr. to the date. So I am hoping they
> > will not make me take her to any jail to see him. I'm just so scared
> right
> > now for her. I know I sound selfish. I am her protector and feel like
if
> I
> > don't try my best to protector her from everything I possibly can I have
> > failed.
> >
> > If he gets money in jail or not is not my concern. I don't want or need
> his
> > money. In the last 4 yr.. I have improved mine and my daughters life
100
> > fold. She is doing well in school. She is going into 1st grade and is
a
> > year younger than the other children in her class. I have a college
fund
> > set up and have paid for medical, vision, dental and life insurance on
her
> > so I do not see where I need any money from him since I am able to
provide
> > for her with out him or his money.
> >
> > I'm sorry if I am just rambling on and on and on. The only thing I
don't
> > have is anyone to talk to about this. I know of no one that has been
> > through this or is in the same situation. I guess I'm just hopping I
will
> > find something said to me as some kind of relief so I can sleep tonight
> and
> > know my child is safe. Thanks for your time.
> >
> >
>
>

[whatever]

Ok, if you believe pedophiles should not have contact with children,
what about this situation. My step-mom divorced my dad as soon as the
father of her first child got out of prison for child molestation and
married him (he was in for 12 years). In the process she got custody
of the two children my father had with her, both daughters, and my dad
is now the NCP. Now, she marries this convicted pedophile and moves
him in to my dads house, that she got in the divorce, with my two half
sister who are 13 and 15. To top it all off, my dad is behind on child
support, and this child molesting ******* is calling my dad with
threatening calls because he is not able to make his payments. This
guy is listed on the pedophile website as a molester, that is a fact.
This is a twisted state of affairs.




On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:05:33 +0930, "glow" >
wrote:

>Please don't take offence of this I do not in any way support false
>allegations of Abuse to prevent contact. But a convicted paedophile should
>not have any contact whatsoever with any children. Such a crime should
>remove all the criminals rights in regards to children. (honestly I think
>they should all be castrated also as a prevention/punishment. Rendered
>infertile.)
>
>This is one thing I know from experience if she can stop any abuse before it
>happens and he has been convicted of such offences then she should take very
>step to prevent her own child becoming one of his victims.
>
>A child of that age honestly would not be able to comprehend the
>implications of knowing her father. These people can be manipulative and
>cunning, do not underestimate them.
>
>"Randy Jabsco" > wrote in message
s.com...
>> Have you asked the child if she wishes to see her father or not?
>>
>> --
>> Randy
>>
>> Please don't bottom-post...
>> It's a bitch to scroll down.
>>
>> "Cattlebarronness" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Well as far as how long he will be in jail I have no idea. I don't even
>> > know where he is in jail. The Attorney General is the one that told me
>he
>> > was back in jail. My daughter doesn't even know him because he hasn't
>> made
>> > an attempt to see her in exactly 4 yr. to the date. So I am hoping they
>> > will not make me take her to any jail to see him. I'm just so scared
>> right
>> > now for her. I know I sound selfish. I am her protector and feel like
>if
>> I
>> > don't try my best to protector her from everything I possibly can I have
>> > failed.
>> >
>> > If he gets money in jail or not is not my concern. I don't want or need
>> his
>> > money. In the last 4 yr.. I have improved mine and my daughters life
>100
>> > fold. She is doing well in school. She is going into 1st grade and is
>a
>> > year younger than the other children in her class. I have a college
>fund
>> > set up and have paid for medical, vision, dental and life insurance on
>her
>> > so I do not see where I need any money from him since I am able to
>provide
>> > for her with out him or his money.
>> >
>> > I'm sorry if I am just rambling on and on and on. The only thing I
>don't
>> > have is anyone to talk to about this. I know of no one that has been
>> > through this or is in the same situation. I guess I'm just hopping I
>will
>> > find something said to me as some kind of relief so I can sleep tonight
>> and
>> > know my child is safe. Thanks for your time.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>

[glow]

"whatever" > wrote in message
...
> Ok, if you believe pedophiles should not have contact with children,
> what about this situation. My step-mom divorced my dad as soon as the
> father of her first child got out of prison for child molestation and
> married him (he was in for 12 years). In the process she got custody
> of the two children my father had with her, both daughters, and my dad
> is now the NCP. Now, she marries this convicted pedophile and moves
> him in to my dads house, that she got in the divorce, with my two half
> sister who are 13 and 15. To top it all off, my dad is behind on child
> support, and this child molesting ******* is calling my dad with
> threatening calls because he is not able to make his payments. This
> guy is listed on the pedophile website as a molester, that is a fact.
> This is a twisted state of affairs.

1. Your mother should have more respect for her children.

2. He should not be allowed residence in a house with children.

3. If your mother intentionally moved in with a child molesterer she should
have lost custody.

I said 'should' I didn't say the law actually works in protecting children.
Your Dad should take the evidence about the man living in the house with
them to a court and apply for custody on the basis that he believes the
safety of his children is at risk. I don't like his chances is extremally
difficult to persuade a court that children are not in fact safe living with
their mother. and in my experience other than the actual biological parents
the family court does not look much at the behavour or existence of step
parents unless the case goes to a criminal court in an offence against the
child. Even better Idea if they have them in the UK apply to the court for a
restraining order in regards to the two children preventing the Step dad any
contact with the children on the basis of fear of interferrence it
effectively removes him from the home regardless of the marriage etc. a
Restraining order can be applied for on the basis of the guys previous
criminal history. If you can't remove the children from the house remove the
threat.

Allot of women when leaving their husbands apply for orders on this basis to
prevent dads from seeing their kids all it needs is a fear that these crimes
will happen.

Work their system against them.



> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:05:33 +0930, "glow" >
> wrote:
>
> >Please don't take offence of this I do not in any way support false
> >allegations of Abuse to prevent contact. But a convicted paedophile
should
> >not have any contact whatsoever with any children. Such a crime should
> >remove all the criminals rights in regards to children. (honestly I think
> >they should all be castrated also as a prevention/punishment. Rendered
> >infertile.)
> >
> >This is one thing I know from experience if she can stop any abuse before
it
> >happens and he has been convicted of such offences then she should take
very
> >step to prevent her own child becoming one of his victims.
> >
> >A child of that age honestly would not be able to comprehend the
> >implications of knowing her father. These people can be manipulative and
> >cunning, do not underestimate them.
> >
> >"Randy Jabsco" > wrote in message
> s.com...
> >> Have you asked the child if she wishes to see her father or not?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Randy
> >>
> >> Please don't bottom-post...
> >> It's a bitch to scroll down.
> >>
> >> "Cattlebarronness" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Well as far as how long he will be in jail I have no idea. I don't
even
> >> > know where he is in jail. The Attorney General is the one that told
me
> >he
> >> > was back in jail. My daughter doesn't even know him because he
hasn't
> >> made
> >> > an attempt to see her in exactly 4 yr. to the date. So I am hoping
they
> >> > will not make me take her to any jail to see him. I'm just so scared
> >> right
> >> > now for her. I know I sound selfish. I am her protector and feel
like
> >if
> >> I
> >> > don't try my best to protector her from everything I possibly can I
have
> >> > failed.
> >> >
> >> > If he gets money in jail or not is not my concern. I don't want or
need
> >> his
> >> > money. In the last 4 yr.. I have improved mine and my daughters life
> >100
> >> > fold. She is doing well in school. She is going into 1st grade and
is
> >a
> >> > year younger than the other children in her class. I have a college
> >fund
> >> > set up and have paid for medical, vision, dental and life insurance
on
> >her
> >> > so I do not see where I need any money from him since I am able to
> >provide
> >> > for her with out him or his money.
> >> >
> >> > I'm sorry if I am just rambling on and on and on. The only thing I
> >don't
> >> > have is anyone to talk to about this. I know of no one that has been
> >> > through this or is in the same situation. I guess I'm just hopping I
> >will
> >> > find something said to me as some kind of relief so I can sleep
tonight
> >> and
> >> > know my child is safe. Thanks for your time.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
>

[glow]

"dC" > wrote in message
...
>
> > > > support, and this child molesting ******* is calling my dad with
> > > > threatening calls because he is not able to make his payments. This
> > > > guy is listed on the pedophile website as a molester, that is a
fact.
> > > > This is a twisted state of affairs.
>
> you're right ... that's messed up for sure But I know for a fact that a
> person who sexually abuses a child is not automatically prevented from
> seeing the child in a custody situation. i've had to supervise plenty of
> visitations where a sexual abuser was allowed visits but only under
> supervision. it gets even more twisted folks cuz the children i've
> supervised Wanted to visit with their non-custodial parent
>
> dC

Of course they do dC they love their parent and quite often the child is
subject to mental abuse along with the physical forcing the child to go to
them because they think they are the only one who understands them and can
protect them (ironic isn't it) sexual abuse is never just physical!

In these cases it isn't until the child is much much older that they realise
how dangerous their parent is to start with the child blames themselves for
most of it which is the truly sad part.

[glow]

"Randy Jabsco" > wrote in message
s.com...
> First, I take allegations of abuse from women with such a grain of salt,
> that I hardly believe it. According to surveys, women are just as likely
to
> abuse children yet they are nowhere near the 'just as likely' conviction
> rate. It just seems to me that the abuse allegation is the most abused
and
> quickly used accusation when it comes to women and divorce, and I don't
> believe half of it.

Yes it is the most abused and it is used for the wrong reasons and yes women
are more likely to be the perpetrator of the abuse. But please do not forget
that children do in circumstances get abused by men. Convicted peadophiles
should lose all parental rights. Sounds like this guy has one hell of a
record do you really think it safe to allow him near a child?

Believe me it is not easy to get them convicted in the first place.

>
> Setting aside all of that however, which I believe does not have much
> bearing on the case, an adult that wishes to see his/her child, and a
child
> that wishes to see his/her mother/father, even in the most supervised
cases
> depending on the circumstances, should not be denied the ability to do so.

Considering he shows no interest in the child it is safest to terminate
parental rights now If supervised contact is allowed they will eventually
allow unsupervised contact. Probably on the basis of "give him a chance to
have a regular life with his child"

>
> It is always the American response (I mean no disrespect to Americans)
that
> once a person does something that they are branded for life and cannot
> change. I strongly prefer to accept the Japanese way, which basically
> states that a person can change and once confesses his/her crime that
he/she
> is well along his/her way to rehabilitation and reintegration into
society.
> I kind of have my doubts about a system that brands a person all his life
> and prevents him from fully integrating into society by refusing him jobs,
> voting rights, land owning, licensing, etc. That surely isn't
> rehabilitation, it is branding.

Randy I'm not American I'm Australian. My knowledge of peadophiles comes
first hand. I was stalked by one for most of my life in an attempt to
disuade my mother from laying charges. Dealing with these people is not like
dealing with anyone else. Truely they are a whole breed of their own.

Rehabilitation- It was him seeing his psyciatrist which brought my mother
into her nightmare after avoiding him for five years. His treatment in no
way changed him. It simply gave him justification of his actions. "They are
my children I can do whatever I want with them" it was another twelve years
after the treatment in which he stalked both of us to stop her own treatment
and his incarceration. The stalking only stopped when he went to prison. He
is 75 now and even so six months ago when he was released from prison I
obtained a restraining order to prevent him coming anywhere near me or my
children. These people are Predators!

Peadophiles should not be allowed job's where they will be in contact with
children to allow such is ludricrous. Would you hire a theif in a Bank
........ No I thought not.

Do you want to tell his other eight known victims that they have to see
their Father/Foster Father?...........Good luck! First thing they will do is
snot you one!

>
> --
> Randy
>
> Please don't bottom-post...
> It's a bitch to scroll down.
>
> "glow" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Please don't take offence of this I do not in any way support false
> > allegations of Abuse to prevent contact. But a convicted paedophile
should
> > not have any contact whatsoever with any children. Such a crime should
> > remove all the criminals rights in regards to children. (honestly I
think
> > they should all be castrated also as a prevention/punishment. Rendered
> > infertile.)
> >
> > This is one thing I know from experience if she can stop any abuse
before
> it
> > happens and he has been convicted of such offences then she should take
> very
> > step to prevent her own child becoming one of his victims.
> >
> > A child of that age honestly would not be able to comprehend the
> > implications of knowing her father. These people can be manipulative and
> > cunning, do not underestimate them.
> >
> > "Randy Jabsco" > wrote in message
> > s.com...
> > > Have you asked the child if she wishes to see her father or not?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Randy
> > >
> > > Please don't bottom-post...
> > > It's a bitch to scroll down.
> > >
> > > "Cattlebarronness" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Well as far as how long he will be in jail I have no idea. I don't
> even
> > > > know where he is in jail. The Attorney General is the one that told
> me
> > he
> > > > was back in jail. My daughter doesn't even know him because he
hasn't
> > > made
> > > > an attempt to see her in exactly 4 yr. to the date. So I am hoping
> they
> > > > will not make me take her to any jail to see him. I'm just so
scared
> > > right
> > > > now for her. I know I sound selfish. I am her protector and feel
> like
> > if
> > > I
> > > > don't try my best to protector her from everything I possibly can I
> have
> > > > failed.
> > > >
> > > > If he gets money in jail or not is not my concern. I don't want or
> need
> > > his
> > > > money. In the last 4 yr.. I have improved mine and my daughters
life
> > 100
> > > > fold. She is doing well in school. She is going into 1st grade and
> is
> > a
> > > > year younger than the other children in her class. I have a college
> > fund
> > > > set up and have paid for medical, vision, dental and life insurance
on
> > her
> > > > so I do not see where I need any money from him since I am able to
> > provide
> > > > for her with out him or his money.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sorry if I am just rambling on and on and on. The only thing I
> > don't
> > > > have is anyone to talk to about this. I know of no one that has
been
> > > > through this or is in the same situation. I guess I'm just hopping
I
> > will
> > > > find something said to me as some kind of relief so I can sleep
> tonight
> > > and
> > > > know my child is safe. Thanks for your time.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Randy Jabsco]

Thank you, Glow for your story. I feel for you...

May I tell you another sad story?

It was a few years ago, after my wife separated. Now, we are on good terms
at the moment, but before she ended up leaving without warning and without
contact, for about two years. About a year or so later, I find out that
there is an investigation going on from child protective services. It got
started due to lice that she had contracted from another child, and let me
tell you... lice is one difficult thing to get rid of, especially in a
household of seven children which are giving and receiving it from/to one
another (she was living with her sister, who had been rather busy
obviously). Eventually, it got to a point where child protective services
jumped in and started a little investigating. Again, I didn't know anything
about it just yet.

When they stopped by, they found that my daughter seemed to like short
skirts and skimpy dressing. Had she been with me, it would have been the
opposite as I am a firm believer in dressing and acting in a dignified way.
But for some reason (I am not a psychologist), they associated this form of
dressing as a form of past sexual abuse. So they looked into it... a
separation in the household, skimpy dressing. To tell truth, I still don't
know what set it all off. I do know however that neither the mother,
daughter, nor anyone in the household neither had reason nor did they say
anything about any abuse, Protective Services just decided it must be so.

So, what happened? Well... they started taking her out of class and out of
school so they can start having their private little session with the child,
without any parents being present and without anyone knowing (until the
child said something later). Now, if I had known about this, and had I been
around, I probably would have dropped her out of school and began home
schooling, as is my right. But again, I still wasn't around. Later on, the
mother did end up sending her to me, out of that current state, and CPS
found the laws a bit different in our state and their ability to brainwash
children a little more out of their reach (but not much)

It was about that time that I came into the scene and found out what was
going on and had an attorney on it and CPS starting getting quite a bit more
nervous. You can tell just by the way they were talking. But guess what,
not much recourse here. Even the attorney did not want to take the case.
Can't do much about it. Remember that case in the east a little while back
where child protective services kept hauling some kids into their sessions
until they finally convinced the children that they had been abused
(although years later it had been proved otherwise in court, along with a
nice lawsuit)? Well, let me tell you. It's true. Child Protective
Services use unethical and what should be illegal tactics. They take the
child in for questioning and drill the child almost like an adult without
legal protection, and without the child knowing the seriousness of the
situation. A literal brain washing. I even remember reading several
articles on their tactics.

In the end, because of a lice problem. My ex cannot get a job as a
teacher's aid or childcare assistant because she is 'under suspicion' (no
evidence and no convictions). I am not sure with myself, as I have never
tried to work in such a capacity, but I suppose I might be there too. They
could not get any evidence (obviously, none existed) despite their attempts
to brainwash her. But I sure learned a little about the government... and
if there is any organization that I would vote to cut funding for, it would
certainly be the Child Protection Services, and Child Support Agencies, and
possibly most Family Court Governmental services, as I believe they are
quite possibly the most dangerous and abusive organization I have ever had
the displeasure of having to read about and experience. God Help them if I
ever get into office.

Now, back to the subject at hand. No person's rights should ever be taken
away. Nobody's... Not the Jew, not the Black Man, not the Deadbeat's, not
the accused Murderer, Pedophile, nor the Rapist... That does not mean
however that common sense shouldn't take place. It is true that most sexual
deviants suffer from a mental condition that is quite possibly one of the
most difficult to cure and they are likely to do it again. It would be
absolutely stupid to not give attention to serious and proven matters such
as what you describe. But, please keep in mind that from my experience and
from what I have read, I am willing to believe that as much as 50% of the
cases in America need to be taken another look at, as I do not believe the
stories to be as they are given and prosecuted. It truly is sad too,
because it causes SERIOUS damage to credibility when true reports, such as
the one you described, take place.

--
Randy

Please don't bitch about my Top-Posting. I hate scrolling down.

"glow" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Randy Jabsco" > wrote in message
> s.com...
> > First, I take allegations of abuse from women with such a grain of salt,
> > that I hardly believe it. According to surveys, women are just as
likely
> to
> > abuse children yet they are nowhere near the 'just as likely' conviction
> > rate. It just seems to me that the abuse allegation is the most abused
> and
> > quickly used accusation when it comes to women and divorce, and I don't
> > believe half of it.
>
> Yes it is the most abused and it is used for the wrong reasons and yes
women
> are more likely to be the perpetrator of the abuse. But please do not
forget
> that children do in circumstances get abused by men. Convicted peadophiles
> should lose all parental rights. Sounds like this guy has one hell of a
> record do you really think it safe to allow him near a child?
>
> Believe me it is not easy to get them convicted in the first place.
>
> >
> > Setting aside all of that however, which I believe does not have much
> > bearing on the case, an adult that wishes to see his/her child, and a
> child
> > that wishes to see his/her mother/father, even in the most supervised
> cases
> > depending on the circumstances, should not be denied the ability to do
so.
>
> Considering he shows no interest in the child it is safest to terminate
> parental rights now If supervised contact is allowed they will eventually
> allow unsupervised contact. Probably on the basis of "give him a chance to
> have a regular life with his child"
>
> >
> > It is always the American response (I mean no disrespect to Americans)
> that
> > once a person does something that they are branded for life and cannot
> > change. I strongly prefer to accept the Japanese way, which basically
> > states that a person can change and once confesses his/her crime that
> he/she
> > is well along his/her way to rehabilitation and reintegration into
> society.
> > I kind of have my doubts about a system that brands a person all his
life
> > and prevents him from fully integrating into society by refusing him
jobs,
> > voting rights, land owning, licensing, etc. That surely isn't
> > rehabilitation, it is branding.
>
> Randy I'm not American I'm Australian. My knowledge of peadophiles comes
> first hand. I was stalked by one for most of my life in an attempt to
> disuade my mother from laying charges. Dealing with these people is not
like
> dealing with anyone else. Truely they are a whole breed of their own.
>
> Rehabilitation- It was him seeing his psyciatrist which brought my mother
> into her nightmare after avoiding him for five years. His treatment in no
> way changed him. It simply gave him justification of his actions. "They
are
> my children I can do whatever I want with them" it was another twelve
years
> after the treatment in which he stalked both of us to stop her own
treatment
> and his incarceration. The stalking only stopped when he went to prison.
He
> is 75 now and even so six months ago when he was released from prison I
> obtained a restraining order to prevent him coming anywhere near me or my
> children. These people are Predators!
>
> Peadophiles should not be allowed job's where they will be in contact with
> children to allow such is ludricrous. Would you hire a theif in a Bank
> ....... No I thought not.
>
> Do you want to tell his other eight known victims that they have to see
> their Father/Foster Father?...........Good luck! First thing they will do
is
> snot you one!
>
> >
> > --
> > Randy
> >
> > Please don't bottom-post...
> > It's a bitch to scroll down.
> >
> > "glow" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Please don't take offence of this I do not in any way support false
> > > allegations of Abuse to prevent contact. But a convicted paedophile
> should
> > > not have any contact whatsoever with any children. Such a crime should
> > > remove all the criminals rights in regards to children. (honestly I
> think
> > > they should all be castrated also as a prevention/punishment. Rendered
> > > infertile.)
> > >
> > > This is one thing I know from experience if she can stop any abuse
> before
> > it
> > > happens and he has been convicted of such offences then she should
take
> > very
> > > step to prevent her own child becoming one of his victims.
> > >
> > > A child of that age honestly would not be able to comprehend the
> > > implications of knowing her father. These people can be manipulative
and
> > > cunning, do not underestimate them.
> > >
> > > "Randy Jabsco" > wrote in message
> > > s.com...
> > > > Have you asked the child if she wishes to see her father or not?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Randy
> > > >
> > > > Please don't bottom-post...
> > > > It's a bitch to scroll down.
> > > >
> > > > "Cattlebarronness" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Well as far as how long he will be in jail I have no idea. I
don't
> > even
> > > > > know where he is in jail. The Attorney General is the one that
told
> > me
> > > he
> > > > > was back in jail. My daughter doesn't even know him because he
> hasn't
> > > > made
> > > > > an attempt to see her in exactly 4 yr. to the date. So I am
hoping
> > they
> > > > > will not make me take her to any jail to see him. I'm just so
> scared
> > > > right
> > > > > now for her. I know I sound selfish. I am her protector and feel
> > like
> > > if
> > > > I
> > > > > don't try my best to protector her from everything I possibly can
I
> > have
> > > > > failed.
> > > > >
> > > > > If he gets money in jail or not is not my concern. I don't want
or
> > need
> > > > his
> > > > > money. In the last 4 yr.. I have improved mine and my daughters
> life
> > > 100
> > > > > fold. She is doing well in school. She is going into 1st grade
and
> > is
> > > a
> > > > > year younger than the other children in her class. I have a
college
> > > fund
> > > > > set up and have paid for medical, vision, dental and life
insurance
> on
> > > her
> > > > > so I do not see where I need any money from him since I am able to
> > > provide
> > > > > for her with out him or his money.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sorry if I am just rambling on and on and on. The only thing
I
> > > don't
> > > > > have is anyone to talk to about this. I know of no one that has
> been
> > > > > through this or is in the same situation. I guess I'm just
hopping
> I
> > > will
> > > > > find something said to me as some kind of relief so I can sleep
> > tonight
> > > > and
> > > > > know my child is safe. Thanks for your time.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Cattlebarronness]

Well here is what happened in court....They spelled the name wrong on the
papers that were served...uuggghhh...3 yrs now I'm starting to wonder if we
are going to go on 4...

As for asking her if she wants to see him. No I haven't asked her. She
doesn't know this person and I am not going to put her through something if
I don't have to. He hasn't tried to be in her life in 4 yrs. Hasn't tried
to call, visit or anything of that manner. He did although give me child
support of $200. at one time and a week later came back and told me he had
to have it back so I gave it back to him. About a yr later he called and
asked for her SS# and I told him I wouldn't give it to him because I was the
one providing all support for her. He said OK and hung up. Never asked how
she was, or even if he could come and see her or talk to her on the phone.
So I feel as though it is his fault he doesn't have a relationship with her.
The first 2 months after we split up I let him have her anytime he wanted to
visit with her. He worked off shore and was home 14 days in a row and she
was not in school yet so I didn't have a problem with it. Then he just quit
coming around. I never told him he couldn't see her. So now as for as the
all of his convictions. He has one for rape. Why am I worried about only
one? Well because about a yr. ago I talked with a friend of the family and
his sister-in-law. With in the last 4 yrs he has been accused by
individuals that were too scared to go to the cops or the company didn't
want them too. The one that the company didn't want it reported he was
working out of town and broke into a female employees hotel room and tried
to rape her. She had a gun and treated to shoot him before someone came in
and kicked his butt. He has 8 alias. He has been back and forth in jail
and prison for the last 2 to 3 yrs. He is currently in prison. Then the
history goes further into the family. His father sexual molestation by
contact with a child of my daughters age. His sister has kidnapped her
daughter. All have at least 8 alias and one of them have up to 25. These
kinds of things go on and on and on and on in his family. If it were just
him I would probably agree to some kind of visitation but I am going to do
all I can to keep my child safe and protected. Am I over protective?
Probably. Am I in the wrong? Maybe but I don't think so. But you have to
understand I don't want his money either. My daughter has everything and
anything she could ever want or need. She is not overly spoiled though.
Most of what she has are not toys. She has a wonderful daddy that loves her.
She has her own horse, cows, cats and dogs . I know that many not mean much
to some but to us it means learning to care for other things then ourselves
and it also teaches responsibility. I'm sorry if I have gotten carried away
but I just want you to realize what kind of life she lives now and imagine
what kind of life she could be living.

[glow]

"Cattlebarronness" > wrote in message
...
> Well here is what happened in court....They spelled the name wrong on the
> papers that were served...uuggghhh...3 yrs now I'm starting to wonder if
we
> are going to go on 4...
>
> As for asking her if she wants to see him. No I haven't asked her. She
> doesn't know this person and I am not going to put her through something
if
> I don't have to. He hasn't tried to be in her life in 4 yrs. Hasn't
tried
> to call, visit or anything of that manner. He did although give me child
> support of $200. at one time and a week later came back and told me he had
> to have it back so I gave it back to him. About a yr later he called and
> asked for her SS# and I told him I wouldn't give it to him because I was
the
> one providing all support for her. He said OK and hung up. Never asked
how
> she was, or even if he could come and see her or talk to her on the phone.
> So I feel as though it is his fault he doesn't have a relationship with
her.
> The first 2 months after we split up I let him have her anytime he wanted
to
> visit with her. He worked off shore and was home 14 days in a row and she
> was not in school yet so I didn't have a problem with it. Then he just
quit
> coming around. I never told him he couldn't see her. So now as for as the
> all of his convictions. He has one for rape. Why am I worried about only
> one? Well because about a yr. ago I talked with a friend of the family
and
> his sister-in-law. With in the last 4 yrs he has been accused by
> individuals that were too scared to go to the cops or the company didn't
> want them too. The one that the company didn't want it reported he was
> working out of town and broke into a female employees hotel room and tried
> to rape her. She had a gun and treated to shoot him before someone came
in
> and kicked his butt. He has 8 alias. He has been back and forth in jail
> and prison for the last 2 to 3 yrs. He is currently in prison. Then the
> history goes further into the family. His father sexual molestation by
> contact with a child of my daughters age. His sister has kidnapped her
> daughter. All have at least 8 alias and one of them have up to 25. These
> kinds of things go on and on and on and on in his family. If it were just
> him I would probably agree to some kind of visitation but I am going to do
> all I can to keep my child safe and protected. Am I over protective?
> Probably. Am I in the wrong? Maybe but I don't think so. But you have to
> understand I don't want his money either. My daughter has everything and
> anything she could ever want or need. She is not overly spoiled though.
> Most of what she has are not toys. She has a wonderful daddy that loves
her.
> She has her own horse, cows, cats and dogs . I know that many not mean
much
> to some but to us it means learning to care for other things then
ourselves
> and it also teaches responsibility. I'm sorry if I have gotten carried
away
> but I just want you to realize what kind of life she lives now and imagine
> what kind of life she could be living.


You will be able to get a restraining order against the grandfather the
father is another matter if he has not already been convicted for child sex
offences. Allegations are not enough in my mind to warrant having those
rights forcefully removed. If you have found her a father who does take an
interest and is wanting to be a father to her ask her bio father to sign
over parental rights and allow your husband to adopt her.

[dC]

"glow" > wrote in message
...
> offences. Allegations are not enough in my mind to warrant having those
> rights forcefully removed. If you have found her a father who does take an
> interest and is wanting to be a father to her ask her bio father to sign
> over parental rights and allow your husband to adopt her.

well, he's in prison ... that's pretty indicative of guilt i'd say. Maybe
bio-Dad doesn't want to have anything to do with his child anyway. Why
don't you find out if he'll just sign the termination papers? Is it a
requirement to have a Daddy waiting in the wings to adopt? i didn't think
that was the case - maybe in some states - i don't know.

if you can't afford an attorney, contact legal aid --- i Know when i used to
work as a paralegal at East Texas Legal Services that we had a case like
that and the Dad just signed the papers

dC