Q. re Court Assistance

[dani]

Does anyone have any case cites or statutes that allows one to assis a father
during trial. This is in California, but any info even from another state
would be welcome.

Thanks,

~ Dani

[gini52]

"dani" > wrote in message
. ..
> Does anyone have any case cites or statutes that allows one to assis a
father
> during trial.
===
Are you asking whether a *non-lawyer* can "assist" a father during trial?
If so, you will have to specifically define "assist." Does the father pay
the assistor? It matters.
===
===
This is in California, but any info even from another state
> would be welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~ Dani

[gini52]

"dani" > wrote in message
. ..
> Does anyone have any case cites or statutes that allows one to assis a
father
> during trial.
===
Are you asking whether a *non-lawyer* can "assist" a father during trial?
If so, you will have to specifically define "assist." Does the father pay
the assistor? It matters.
===
===
This is in California, but any info even from another state
> would be welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~ Dani

[dani]

On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 00:01:19 -0400, gini52 wrote:

>
> "dani" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Does anyone have any case cites or statutes that allows one to assis a
> father
>> during trial.
> ===
> Are you asking whether a *non-lawyer* can "assist" a father during trial?
> If so, you will have to specifically define "assist." Does the father pay
> the assistor? It matters.

That's exactly what I'm asking. I know that it is possible, but just in
case, I can't find the cites. It's unpaid. Specifically, to help him keep
organized and on point about the issues. Both, his previous attorney and
the opposing attorney managed to screw up his life so bad, that he has not
seen his children in a year and was told he needed reunification therapy,
which no ones provided.

In short order, he has, so far filed contempt against his ex and the
attorney, filed for custody and visitation and a divorce trial. Except
it's all on the same day. He needs some help!

Does that explain it.

I remember reading of specific case law regarding this, but I have not
been able to find it on Findlaw or google.

Thanks Gini. If know or remember, it would be a real help.

~ Dani

[dani]

On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 00:01:19 -0400, gini52 wrote:

>
> "dani" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Does anyone have any case cites or statutes that allows one to assis a
> father
>> during trial.
> ===
> Are you asking whether a *non-lawyer* can "assist" a father during trial?
> If so, you will have to specifically define "assist." Does the father pay
> the assistor? It matters.

That's exactly what I'm asking. I know that it is possible, but just in
case, I can't find the cites. It's unpaid. Specifically, to help him keep
organized and on point about the issues. Both, his previous attorney and
the opposing attorney managed to screw up his life so bad, that he has not
seen his children in a year and was told he needed reunification therapy,
which no ones provided.

In short order, he has, so far filed contempt against his ex and the
attorney, filed for custody and visitation and a divorce trial. Except
it's all on the same day. He needs some help!

Does that explain it.

I remember reading of specific case law regarding this, but I have not
been able to find it on Findlaw or google.

Thanks Gini. If know or remember, it would be a real help.

~ Dani

[Father Drew]

Just like practicing medicine without a license, it is illegal to practice
law without a license in any state.
So no, you cannot get a non-lawyer to be you mouth piece in court, but you
can get advice and document prep.
AZ father's Rights has to get membership to get around this law. We can't
offer advice freely to our public forums, but as a member, it's sharing
information in a "club", and that is perfectly legal. You can hire a
paralegal as well, because even though they aren't registered with the bar,
they are like a nurse. They can't perform the operation (represent you in
court), but they can give you some injections (advice and doc prep).
As far as public forums like this, it may not be legal that we share some of
the info we do, but it's not enforced in the same way people that get
together to discuss medical remedy's in a public form are offering medical
advice.

So the answer to your question is yes, you can get help without an attorney,
but in court, you will be doing the talking. It may seem intimidating, but
if you do your homework, you will be better off, not only because you saved
thousands of dollars that you need at this important time, but because
nobody cares about your case as much as you do. Over the past 7 months, I
watched a 21 yr old kid blow the water out of 2 attoney's his ex hired. I
will be watching him knock the 3rd down this Tuesday, I took the day off
purley for entertainment purposes.

Learn the Rules of Court for your state, and get familiar with how to look
up case law and the statutes in your state. Little hint: Always cite
federal law over state law, because a state judge won't challange it; they
hate being over turned. I'm in AZ, and we are the 2nd worst for father
discrimination, California is 1st, so I feel you pain.

-Drew



"dani" > wrote in message
. ..
> Does anyone have any case cites or statutes that allows one to assis a
father
> during trial. This is in California, but any info even from another state
> would be welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~ Dani

[Father Drew]

Just like practicing medicine without a license, it is illegal to practice
law without a license in any state.
So no, you cannot get a non-lawyer to be you mouth piece in court, but you
can get advice and document prep.
AZ father's Rights has to get membership to get around this law. We can't
offer advice freely to our public forums, but as a member, it's sharing
information in a "club", and that is perfectly legal. You can hire a
paralegal as well, because even though they aren't registered with the bar,
they are like a nurse. They can't perform the operation (represent you in
court), but they can give you some injections (advice and doc prep).
As far as public forums like this, it may not be legal that we share some of
the info we do, but it's not enforced in the same way people that get
together to discuss medical remedy's in a public form are offering medical
advice.

So the answer to your question is yes, you can get help without an attorney,
but in court, you will be doing the talking. It may seem intimidating, but
if you do your homework, you will be better off, not only because you saved
thousands of dollars that you need at this important time, but because
nobody cares about your case as much as you do. Over the past 7 months, I
watched a 21 yr old kid blow the water out of 2 attoney's his ex hired. I
will be watching him knock the 3rd down this Tuesday, I took the day off
purley for entertainment purposes.

Learn the Rules of Court for your state, and get familiar with how to look
up case law and the statutes in your state. Little hint: Always cite
federal law over state law, because a state judge won't challange it; they
hate being over turned. I'm in AZ, and we are the 2nd worst for father
discrimination, California is 1st, so I feel you pain.

-Drew



"dani" > wrote in message
. ..
> Does anyone have any case cites or statutes that allows one to assis a
father
> during trial. This is in California, but any info even from another state
> would be welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~ Dani

[dani]

Father Drew wrote:
> Just like practicing medicine without a license, it is illegal to practice
> law without a license in any state.....

Father Drew,

I never asked the question you answered. :)

I'm going to Court to assist someone, to hold their hand and to make
sure they stay on track. He is going up against a ... we'll I'd rather
not say, but you get it... Read my reply to Gini and if you can give me
an answer, it sure would be nice. I've checked google and findlaw and
have been unable to find exactly what I want. I've read it on the net
and now when I need it, I can't find it. GO figure.

~ Dani

[dani]

Father Drew wrote:
> Just like practicing medicine without a license, it is illegal to practice
> law without a license in any state.....

Father Drew,

I never asked the question you answered. :)

I'm going to Court to assist someone, to hold their hand and to make
sure they stay on track. He is going up against a ... we'll I'd rather
not say, but you get it... Read my reply to Gini and if you can give me
an answer, it sure would be nice. I've checked google and findlaw and
have been unable to find exactly what I want. I've read it on the net
and now when I need it, I can't find it. GO figure.

~ Dani

[Rambler]

"dani" > wrote in message

> Does anyone have any case cites or statutes that allows one to assis
> a father during trial. This is in California, but any info even from
> another state would be welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~ Dani

Try looking up something like a MacKenzie Friend (I think that is it). I
used one in my custody trial (he was a friend of mine, and his purpose was
there to act as a dispassionate observer to keep me on track and to write
down questions that I might forget to use in a cross (when my ex was on the
stand).

This was a common law jurisdiction (i.e. not the US) but you might be able
to come across sites that way.

[Rambler]

"dani" > wrote in message

> Does anyone have any case cites or statutes that allows one to assis
> a father during trial. This is in California, but any info even from
> another state would be welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~ Dani

Try looking up something like a MacKenzie Friend (I think that is it). I
used one in my custody trial (he was a friend of mine, and his purpose was
there to act as a dispassionate observer to keep me on track and to write
down questions that I might forget to use in a cross (when my ex was on the
stand).

This was a common law jurisdiction (i.e. not the US) but you might be able
to come across sites that way.

[dani]

On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 18:44:10 +0800, Rambler wrote:

> "dani" > wrote in message
>
>> Does anyone have any case cites or statutes that allows one to assis a
>> father during trial. This is in California, but any info even from
>> another state would be welcome.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> ~ Dani
>
> Try looking up something like a MacKenzie Friend (I think that is it). I
> used one in my custody trial (he was a friend of mine, and his purpose was
> there to act as a dispassionate observer to keep me on track and to write
> down questions that I might forget to use in a cross (when my ex was on
> the stand).
>
> This was a common law jurisdiction (i.e. not the US) but you might be able
> to come across sites that way.

I found a lot of references to the use of a "McKenzie friend" in the U.K.,
AU, and NZ but nothing in the U.S. Good enough, we'll do it and use the
McKenzie U.K. case as precedent. I'll let you know how it went.

~ Dani

[dani]

On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 18:44:10 +0800, Rambler wrote:

> "dani" > wrote in message
>
>> Does anyone have any case cites or statutes that allows one to assis a
>> father during trial. This is in California, but any info even from
>> another state would be welcome.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> ~ Dani
>
> Try looking up something like a MacKenzie Friend (I think that is it). I
> used one in my custody trial (he was a friend of mine, and his purpose was
> there to act as a dispassionate observer to keep me on track and to write
> down questions that I might forget to use in a cross (when my ex was on
> the stand).
>
> This was a common law jurisdiction (i.e. not the US) but you might be able
> to come across sites that way.

I found a lot of references to the use of a "McKenzie friend" in the U.K.,
AU, and NZ but nothing in the U.S. Good enough, we'll do it and use the
McKenzie U.K. case as precedent. I'll let you know how it went.

~ Dani