Re: Men who marry Single Mothers are Chumps !

[Scoobie]

On 15 Aug 2004 11:40:26 -0000, Manfred Acker
> wrote:

>"Autobodygal" > wrote in message
>...
>> I think that a lot of people would agree with me when I say that you
>are a
>> simple minded idiot! Single mothers are not losers.
>
>Yes they are. They're too stupid to keep from being stuck raising a kid
>by themselves.
>
>> There are a lot of
>> different reasons why a woman may be a single mother. The losers are
>the men
>> that can not be man enough to support the children that they have
>created.
>
>At least they're smart enough to not be stuck with the brat. That doesn't
>change the fact that they should have their nuts cut off and fed to them.
>
>> Single mothers should be applauded.
>
>Single mothers should be laughed at and then forcibly sterilized before
>they bring more little welfare piglets into the world.
>
>
Better yet make their lives a living hell. It's your money their
blowing they owe you big.

[Byron Canfield]

"Scoobie" > wrote in message
...
> On 15 Aug 2004 11:40:26 -0000, Manfred Acker
> > wrote:
>
> >"Autobodygal" > wrote in message
> >...
> >> I think that a lot of people would agree with me when I say that you
> >are a
> >> simple minded idiot! Single mothers are not losers.
> >
> >Yes they are. They're too stupid to keep from being stuck raising a kid
> >by themselves.
> >
> >> There are a lot of
> >> different reasons why a woman may be a single mother. The losers are
> >the men
> >> that can not be man enough to support the children that they have
> >created.
> >
> >At least they're smart enough to not be stuck with the brat. That doesn't
> >change the fact that they should have their nuts cut off and fed to them.
> >
> >> Single mothers should be applauded.
> >
> >Single mothers should be laughed at and then forcibly sterilized before
> >they bring more little welfare piglets into the world.
> >
> >
> Better yet make their lives a living hell. It's your money their
> blowing they owe you big.
>
Doing the sockpuppet thing now, to make it look like you have more support,
eh?

Grow up.


--
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world:
those who understand binary numbers and those who don't."
-----------------------------
Byron "Barn" Canfield

[Zoey]

"Manfred Acker" > wrote in message
...
> "Autobodygal" > wrote in message
> >...
> > I think that a lot of people would agree with me when I say that you
> are a
> > simple minded idiot! Single mothers are not losers.
>
> Yes they are. They're too stupid to keep from being stuck raising a kid
> by themselves.

Raising a child is a privelige. Sorry that whoever raised you was a
moron though. Maybe if you're mother wasn't so busy dealing with her
asshole husband she could have paid more attention to you and you wouldn't
have grown up to be an imbecile who has nothing better to do than sit in
front of his computer, go to a usenet group called single parents and slam
single mother. Oh, and since you have no brain I have to inform you of the
fact that there is such a thing as single fathers too.


> > There are a lot of
> > different reasons why a woman may be a single mother. The losers are
> the men
> > that can not be man enough to support the children that they have
> created.
>
> At least they're smart enough to not be stuck with the brat. That doesn't
> change the fact that they should have their nuts cut off and fed to them.

Yep - the fact does remain that they should have their ball cut off and
rammed down their throats.


> > Single mothers should be applauded.
>
> Single mothers should be laughed at and then forcibly sterilized before
> they bring more little welfare piglets into the world.

Naaa, castration is much cheaper than a hysterectomy so the deadbeat
fathers should be the ones who get the special little operation.

[howldog]

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:52:36 -0400, "Zoey" > wrote:

>
>"Manfred Acker" > wrote in message
...
>> "Autobodygal" > wrote in message
>> >...
>> > I think that a lot of people would agree with me when I say that you
>> are a
>> > simple minded idiot! Single mothers are not losers.
>>
>> Yes they are. They're too stupid to keep from being stuck raising a kid
>> by themselves.
>
> Raising a child is a privelige. Sorry that whoever raised you was a
>moron though. Maybe if you're mother wasn't so busy dealing with her
>asshole husband she could have paid more attention to you and you wouldn't
>have grown up to be an imbecile who has nothing better to do than sit in
>front of his computer, go to a usenet group called single parents and slam
>single mother. Oh, and since you have no brain I have to inform you of the
>fact that there is such a thing as single fathers too.
>


wow. bitter shrew post of the week.

[denanson]

"Zoey" > wrote in message ...
>
> ........ and you wouldn't
> have grown up to be an imbecile who has nothing better to do than sit in
> front of his computer, go to a usenet group called single parents and slam
> single mother.

So what made you grow up to be an imbecile that could not recognise a cross
post from a men's group?

Dennis

[Zoey]

"howldog" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:52:36 -0400, "Zoey" > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Manfred Acker" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> "Autobodygal" > wrote in message
> >> >...
> >> > I think that a lot of people would agree with me when I say that you
> >> are a
> >> > simple minded idiot! Single mothers are not losers.
> >>
> >> Yes they are. They're too stupid to keep from being stuck raising a kid
> >> by themselves.
> >
> > Raising a child is a privelige. Sorry that whoever raised you was a
> >moron though. Maybe if you're mother wasn't so busy dealing with her
> >asshole husband she could have paid more attention to you and you
wouldn't
> >have grown up to be an imbecile who has nothing better to do than sit in
> >front of his computer, go to a usenet group called single parents and
slam
> >single mother. Oh, and since you have no brain I have to inform you of
the
> >fact that there is such a thing as single fathers too.
> >
>
>
> wow. bitter shrew post of the week.

Thank you - I'm rather proud of that one.

Seems there's not much support on this newsgroup - just attacks. Silly me
to think that maybe there was a haven for single parents to share stories
and support each.

[Zoey]

"denanson" <Dennis@Large .ie> wrote in message
...
>
> "Zoey" > wrote in message ...
> >
> > ........ and you wouldn't
> > have grown up to be an imbecile who has nothing better to do than sit in
> > front of his computer, go to a usenet group called single parents and
slam
> > single mother.
>
> So what made you grow up to be an imbecile that could not recognise a
cross
> post from a men's group?
>
I recognize the cross-post and I recognize the fact that he also knew he
was cross-posting and perchance started the cross-posting in the first
place.

What made you grow up to be an imbecile who attacks someone who wants to
join a support newsgroup and not be met with criticism and nastiness from
men's groups?

[Betsy]

"Zoey" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "howldog" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:52:36 -0400, "Zoey" > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Manfred Acker" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >> "Autobodygal" > wrote in message
> > >> >...
> > >> > I think that a lot of people would agree with me when I say that
you
> > >> are a
> > >> > simple minded idiot! Single mothers are not losers.
> > >>
> > >> Yes they are. They're too stupid to keep from being stuck raising a
kid
> > >> by themselves.
> > >
> > > Raising a child is a privelige. Sorry that whoever raised you was
a
> > >moron though. Maybe if you're mother wasn't so busy dealing with her
> > >asshole husband she could have paid more attention to you and you
> wouldn't
> > >have grown up to be an imbecile who has nothing better to do than sit
in
> > >front of his computer, go to a usenet group called single parents and
> slam
> > >single mother. Oh, and since you have no brain I have to inform you of
> the
> > >fact that there is such a thing as single fathers too.
> > >
> >
> >
> > wow. bitter shrew post of the week.
>
> Thank you - I'm rather proud of that one.
>
> Seems there's not much support on this newsgroup - just attacks. Silly me
> to think that maybe there was a haven for single parents to share stories
> and support each.
>
>

Well, this is a cross-post. You aren't getting replies only from the single
parenting news-group. Good idea to check the To: column before judging an
entire newsgroup for the replies to your message.

[Betsy]

"Zoey" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "denanson" <Dennis@Large .ie> wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Zoey" > wrote in message ...
> > >
> > > ........ and you wouldn't
> > > have grown up to be an imbecile who has nothing better to do than sit
in
> > > front of his computer, go to a usenet group called single parents and
> slam
> > > single mother.
> >
> > So what made you grow up to be an imbecile that could not recognise a
> cross
> > post from a men's group?
> >
> I recognize the cross-post and I recognize the fact that he also knew
he
> was cross-posting and perchance started the cross-posting in the first
> place.
>
> What made you grow up to be an imbecile who attacks someone who wants
to
> join a support newsgroup and not be met with criticism and nastiness from
> men's groups?
>
>

What makes you not realize you can delete a newsgroup before sending a post
and only post to the newsgroup to which you subscribed? Not everyone is
attacking you, they are responding to your attack on men. There are several
men in this single parents newsgroup that are raising their children. Your
comments about men are generalized, you should try to adjust that type of
posting if you hope to get support.

[lm]

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 06:39:26 GMT, "Betsy" > wrote:

>
>"Zoey" > wrote in message
. ..
>>
>> "howldog" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:52:36 -0400, "Zoey" > wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >"Manfred Acker" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > >> "Autobodygal" > wrote in message
>> > >> >...
>> > >> > I think that a lot of people would agree with me when I say that
>you
>> > >> are a
>> > >> > simple minded idiot! Single mothers are not losers.
>> > >>
>> > >> Yes they are. They're too stupid to keep from being stuck raising a
>kid
>> > >> by themselves.
>> > >
>> > > Raising a child is a privelige. Sorry that whoever raised you was
>a
>> > >moron though. Maybe if you're mother wasn't so busy dealing with her
>> > >asshole husband she could have paid more attention to you and you
>> wouldn't
>> > >have grown up to be an imbecile who has nothing better to do than sit
>in
>> > >front of his computer, go to a usenet group called single parents and
>> slam
>> > >single mother. Oh, and since you have no brain I have to inform you of
>> the
>> > >fact that there is such a thing as single fathers too.
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > wow. bitter shrew post of the week.
>>
>> Thank you - I'm rather proud of that one.
>>
>> Seems there's not much support on this newsgroup - just attacks. Silly me
>> to think that maybe there was a haven for single parents to share stories
>> and support each.
>>
>>
>
>Well, this is a cross-post. You aren't getting replies only from the single
>parenting news-group. Good idea to check the To: column before judging an
>entire newsgroup for the replies to your message.

If you feel the need to reply to a cross-post, reply to this group
only rather than to all the groups. Cuts down on trolling.

lm

[Byron Canfield]

"howldog" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:52:36 -0400, "Zoey" > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Manfred Acker" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> "Autobodygal" > wrote in message
> >> >...
> >> > I think that a lot of people would agree with me when I say that you
> >> are a
> >> > simple minded idiot! Single mothers are not losers.
> >>
> >> Yes they are. They're too stupid to keep from being stuck raising a kid
> >> by themselves.
> >
> > Raising a child is a privelige. Sorry that whoever raised you was a
> >moron though. Maybe if you're mother wasn't so busy dealing with her
> >asshole husband she could have paid more attention to you and you
wouldn't
> >have grown up to be an imbecile who has nothing better to do than sit in
> >front of his computer, go to a usenet group called single parents and
slam
> >single mother. Oh, and since you have no brain I have to inform you of
the
> >fact that there is such a thing as single fathers too.
> >
>
>
> wow. bitter shrew post of the week.

Yeah, that'll do it -- discredit her points by calling her names. Good idea!
You're just SOOOOO clever.


--
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world:
those who understand binary numbers and those who don't."
-----------------------------
Byron "Barn" Canfield

[howldog]

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:22:19 GMT, "Byron Canfield"
> wrote:

>"howldog" > wrote in message
...
>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:52:36 -0400, "Zoey" > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Manfred Acker" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> "Autobodygal" > wrote in message
>> >> >...
>> >> > I think that a lot of people would agree with me when I say that you
>> >> are a
>> >> > simple minded idiot! Single mothers are not losers.
>> >>
>> >> Yes they are. They're too stupid to keep from being stuck raising a kid
>> >> by themselves.
>> >
>> > Raising a child is a privelige. Sorry that whoever raised you was a
>> >moron though. Maybe if you're mother wasn't so busy dealing with her
>> >asshole husband she could have paid more attention to you and you
>wouldn't
>> >have grown up to be an imbecile who has nothing better to do than sit in
>> >front of his computer, go to a usenet group called single parents and
>slam
>> >single mother. Oh, and since you have no brain I have to inform you of
>the
>> >fact that there is such a thing as single fathers too.
>> >
>>
>>
>> wow. bitter shrew post of the week.
>
>Yeah, that'll do it -- discredit her points


SHE DIDNT HAVE ANY. ALL SHE DOES IS INSULT


> by calling her names. Good idea!


and i'm worse than her. you saw no bitterness in her post? you want to
excuse that? **** you too.


>You're just SOOOOO clever.


admiteddly, i am. yes. i'll accept donations in the form of cash only
please.

[Zoe]

"Betsy" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Zoey" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >
> > "howldog" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:52:36 -0400, "Zoey" > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >"Manfred Acker" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >> "Autobodygal" > wrote in message
> > > >> >...
> > > >> > I think that a lot of people would agree with me when I say that
> you
> > > >> are a
> > > >> > simple minded idiot! Single mothers are not losers.
> > > >>
> > > >> Yes they are. They're too stupid to keep from being stuck raising a
> kid
> > > >> by themselves.
> > > >
> > > > Raising a child is a privelige. Sorry that whoever raised you
was
> a
> > > >moron though. Maybe if you're mother wasn't so busy dealing with her
> > > >asshole husband she could have paid more attention to you and you
> > wouldn't
> > > >have grown up to be an imbecile who has nothing better to do than sit
> in
> > > >front of his computer, go to a usenet group called single parents and
> > slam
> > > >single mother. Oh, and since you have no brain I have to inform you
of
> > the
> > > >fact that there is such a thing as single fathers too.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > wow. bitter shrew post of the week.
> >
> > Thank you - I'm rather proud of that one.
> >
> > Seems there's not much support on this newsgroup - just attacks. Silly
me
> > to think that maybe there was a haven for single parents to share
stories
> > and support each.
> >
> >
>
> Well, this is a cross-post. You aren't getting replies only from the
single
> parenting news-group. Good idea to check the To: column before judging an
> entire newsgroup for the replies to your message.

Well, you're in this group and you implied in the post I just responded
to that I made no effort for my son to see his father and that I work toward
my interests and not my child's. That's pretty insulting insinuations to
make about a person before you even know them.

[Zoe]

"Betsy" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Zoey" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >
> > "denanson" <Dennis@Large .ie> wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Zoey" > wrote in message ...
> > > >
> > > > ........ and you wouldn't
> > > > have grown up to be an imbecile who has nothing better to do than
sit
> in
> > > > front of his computer, go to a usenet group called single parents
and
> > slam
> > > > single mother.
> > >
> > > So what made you grow up to be an imbecile that could not recognise a
> > cross
> > > post from a men's group?
> > >
> > I recognize the cross-post and I recognize the fact that he also
knew
> he
> > was cross-posting and perchance started the cross-posting in the first
> > place.
> >
> > What made you grow up to be an imbecile who attacks someone who
wants
> to
> > join a support newsgroup and not be met with criticism and nastiness
from
> > men's groups?
> >
> >
>
> What makes you not realize you can delete a newsgroup before sending a
post
> and only post to the newsgroup to which you subscribed? Not everyone is
> attacking you, they are responding to your attack on men. There are
several
> men in this single parents newsgroup that are raising their children.
Your
> comments about men are generalized, you should try to adjust that type of
> posting if you hope to get support.

I never said anything about *all* men. I simply said that for "the most
part" men are what causes women to be single mothers. I also stated that
there are many single fathers out there as well. So no, I was not
generalizing men.

[Betsy]

"Zoe" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Betsy" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Zoey" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > >
> > > "howldog" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:52:36 -0400, "Zoey" >
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >"Manfred Acker" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > >> "Autobodygal" > wrote in message
> > > > >> >...
> > > > >> > I think that a lot of people would agree with me when I say
that
> > you
> > > > >> are a
> > > > >> > simple minded idiot! Single mothers are not losers.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Yes they are. They're too stupid to keep from being stuck raising
a
> > kid
> > > > >> by themselves.
> > > > >
> > > > > Raising a child is a privelige. Sorry that whoever raised you
> was
> > a
> > > > >moron though. Maybe if you're mother wasn't so busy dealing with
her
> > > > >asshole husband she could have paid more attention to you and you
> > > wouldn't
> > > > >have grown up to be an imbecile who has nothing better to do than
sit
> > in
> > > > >front of his computer, go to a usenet group called single parents
and
> > > slam
> > > > >single mother. Oh, and since you have no brain I have to inform
you
> of
> > > the
> > > > >fact that there is such a thing as single fathers too.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > wow. bitter shrew post of the week.
> > >
> > > Thank you - I'm rather proud of that one.
> > >
> > > Seems there's not much support on this newsgroup - just attacks.
Silly
> me
> > > to think that maybe there was a haven for single parents to share
> stories
> > > and support each.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Well, this is a cross-post. You aren't getting replies only from the
> single
> > parenting news-group. Good idea to check the To: column before judging
an
> > entire newsgroup for the replies to your message.
>
> Well, you're in this group and you implied in the post I just
responded
> to that I made no effort for my son to see his father and that I work
toward
> my interests and not my child's. That's pretty insulting insinuations to
> make about a person before you even know them.
>
>

I implied no such thing. Re-read my post. I ASKED you pointed questions.
That is not the same as implying anything. You took it to mean what you
chose. I simply asked. There's a difference. If you expect to get good
advice and support, you should listen to all angles, and try not to make
inferences. Like I said, re-read my previous post.

[Betsy]

"Zoe" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Betsy" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Zoey" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > >
> > > "denanson" <Dennis@Large .ie> wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > "Zoey" > wrote in message ...
> > > > >
> > > > > ........ and you wouldn't
> > > > > have grown up to be an imbecile who has nothing better to do than
> sit
> > in
> > > > > front of his computer, go to a usenet group called single parents
> and
> > > slam
> > > > > single mother.
> > > >
> > > > So what made you grow up to be an imbecile that could not recognise
a
> > > cross
> > > > post from a men's group?
> > > >
> > > I recognize the cross-post and I recognize the fact that he also
> knew
> > he
> > > was cross-posting and perchance started the cross-posting in the first
> > > place.
> > >
> > > What made you grow up to be an imbecile who attacks someone who
> wants
> > to
> > > join a support newsgroup and not be met with criticism and nastiness
> from
> > > men's groups?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > What makes you not realize you can delete a newsgroup before sending a
> post
> > and only post to the newsgroup to which you subscribed? Not everyone is
> > attacking you, they are responding to your attack on men. There are
> several
> > men in this single parents newsgroup that are raising their children.
> Your
> > comments about men are generalized, you should try to adjust that type
of
> > posting if you hope to get support.
>
> I never said anything about *all* men. I simply said that for "the
most
> part" men are what causes women to be single mothers. I also stated that
> there are many single fathers out there as well. So no, I was not
> generalizing men.
>
>

Well in actuality, it's not even "for the most part." We all make choices.
Men and women. I know I made bad decisions, and I know it affects my son's
life as well as mine. I take responsibility for that. My ex-husband may
have his own issues, I may think he's a total asshole, but he is still
biologically my son's father. I say biologically now, because legally he
has no claim to my son, through his own choice. That also affects my son.
When my son is ready, I will do what I can to locate his father, which
shouldn't be difficult as he is on the Sexual Offenders list for our state.
My son is NOT aware of this fact at this time, and I don't know when or if I
will tell him.

[P.Fritz]

"Zoe" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Betsy" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Zoey" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > >
> > > "denanson" <Dennis@Large .ie> wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > "Zoey" > wrote in message ...
> > > > >
> > > > > ........ and you wouldn't
> > > > > have grown up to be an imbecile who has nothing better to do than
> sit
> > in
> > > > > front of his computer, go to a usenet group called single parents
> and
> > > slam
> > > > > single mother.
> > > >
> > > > So what made you grow up to be an imbecile that could not recognise
a
> > > cross
> > > > post from a men's group?
> > > >
> > > I recognize the cross-post and I recognize the fact that he also
> knew
> > he
> > > was cross-posting and perchance started the cross-posting in the first
> > > place.
> > >
> > > What made you grow up to be an imbecile who attacks someone who
> wants
> > to
> > > join a support newsgroup and not be met with criticism and nastiness
> from
> > > men's groups?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > What makes you not realize you can delete a newsgroup before sending a
> post
> > and only post to the newsgroup to which you subscribed? Not everyone is
> > attacking you, they are responding to your attack on men. There are
> several
> > men in this single parents newsgroup that are raising their children.
> Your
> > comments about men are generalized, you should try to adjust that type
of
> > posting if you hope to get support.
>
> I never said anything about *all* men. I simply said that for "the
most
> part" men are what causes women to be single mothers. I also stated that
> there are many single fathers out there as well. So no, I was not
> generalizing men.

And it remains a sexist, immature and completely incorrect statement.

Somebody by 'zoe' a clue

>
>

[Zoe]

"Betsy" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Zoe" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >
> > "Betsy" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Zoey" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > > >
> > > > "howldog" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:52:36 -0400, "Zoey" >
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >"Manfred Acker" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > >> "Autobodygal" > wrote in message
> > > > > >> >...
> > > > > >> > I think that a lot of people would agree with me when I say
> that
> > > you
> > > > > >> are a
> > > > > >> > simple minded idiot! Single mothers are not losers.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Yes they are. They're too stupid to keep from being stuck
raising
> a
> > > kid
> > > > > >> by themselves.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Raising a child is a privelige. Sorry that whoever raised
you
> > was
> > > a
> > > > > >moron though. Maybe if you're mother wasn't so busy dealing with
> her
> > > > > >asshole husband she could have paid more attention to you and you
> > > > wouldn't
> > > > > >have grown up to be an imbecile who has nothing better to do than
> sit
> > > in
> > > > > >front of his computer, go to a usenet group called single parents
> and
> > > > slam
> > > > > >single mother. Oh, and since you have no brain I have to inform
> you
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > >fact that there is such a thing as single fathers too.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > wow. bitter shrew post of the week.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you - I'm rather proud of that one.
> > > >
> > > > Seems there's not much support on this newsgroup - just attacks.
> Silly
> > me
> > > > to think that maybe there was a haven for single parents to share
> > stories
> > > > and support each.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, this is a cross-post. You aren't getting replies only from the
> > single
> > > parenting news-group. Good idea to check the To: column before
judging
> an
> > > entire newsgroup for the replies to your message.
> >
> > Well, you're in this group and you implied in the post I just
> responded
> > to that I made no effort for my son to see his father and that I work
> toward
> > my interests and not my child's. That's pretty insulting insinuations
to
> > make about a person before you even know them.
> >
> >
>
> I implied no such thing. Re-read my post. I ASKED you pointed questions.
> That is not the same as implying anything. You took it to mean what you
> chose. I simply asked. There's a difference. If you expect to get good
> advice and support, you should listen to all angles, and try not to make
> inferences. Like I said, re-read my previous post.

I did re-read it and it was somewhat accusatory. Sorry, my mistake if
that was not your intention.

[Zoe]

"Betsy" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Zoe" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >
> > "Betsy" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Zoey" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > > >
> > > > "denanson" <Dennis@Large .ie> wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Zoey" > wrote in message ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ........ and you wouldn't
> > > > > > have grown up to be an imbecile who has nothing better to do
than
> > sit
> > > in
> > > > > > front of his computer, go to a usenet group called single
parents
> > and
> > > > slam
> > > > > > single mother.
> > > > >
> > > > > So what made you grow up to be an imbecile that could not
recognise
> a
> > > > cross
> > > > > post from a men's group?
> > > > >
> > > > I recognize the cross-post and I recognize the fact that he also
> > knew
> > > he
> > > > was cross-posting and perchance started the cross-posting in the
first
> > > > place.
> > > >
> > > > What made you grow up to be an imbecile who attacks someone who
> > wants
> > > to
> > > > join a support newsgroup and not be met with criticism and nastiness
> > from
> > > > men's groups?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > What makes you not realize you can delete a newsgroup before sending a
> > post
> > > and only post to the newsgroup to which you subscribed? Not everyone
is
> > > attacking you, they are responding to your attack on men. There are
> > several
> > > men in this single parents newsgroup that are raising their children.
> > Your
> > > comments about men are generalized, you should try to adjust that type
> of
> > > posting if you hope to get support.
> >
> > I never said anything about *all* men. I simply said that for "the
> most
> > part" men are what causes women to be single mothers. I also stated
that
> > there are many single fathers out there as well. So no, I was not
> > generalizing men.
> >
> >
>
> Well in actuality, it's not even "for the most part." We all make
choices.
> Men and women. I know I made bad decisions, and I know it affects my
son's
> life as well as mine. I take responsibility for that. My ex-husband may
> have his own issues, I may think he's a total asshole, but he is still
> biologically my son's father. I say biologically now, because legally he
> has no claim to my son, through his own choice. That also affects my son.
> When my son is ready, I will do what I can to locate his father, which
> shouldn't be difficult as he is on the Sexual Offenders list for our
state.
> My son is NOT aware of this fact at this time, and I don't know when or if
I
> will tell him.

It's probably better not to tell him such a thing but to make sure that
he is never alone with his father until he is old enough. But you probably
already know that. I still don't think I made a bad choice because I love
my son and don't regret a single day with him. He's a happy child,
regardless of the fact that his father only comes into his life in spurts.
Is this what I signed up for? No. We both said we wanted a child. We had
consensual unprotected sex in order to get this child. Then he freaked. I
think my son will be okay though. He has lots of people who love him,
grandparents, uncles and friends. I know this can't makeup for the love of
a father but I wonder now if his father is even capable of love. I will
never keep his father from him or him from his father when he is old enough
to understand a bit more. I do, however, want to change his last name to
mine. Right now he has both our last names.

[Zoe]

"P.Fritz" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Zoe" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >
> > "Betsy" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Zoey" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > > >
> > > > "denanson" <Dennis@Large .ie> wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Zoey" > wrote in message ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ........ and you wouldn't
> > > > > > have grown up to be an imbecile who has nothing better to do
than
> > sit
> > > in
> > > > > > front of his computer, go to a usenet group called single
parents
> > and
> > > > slam
> > > > > > single mother.
> > > > >
> > > > > So what made you grow up to be an imbecile that could not
recognise
> a
> > > > cross
> > > > > post from a men's group?
> > > > >
> > > > I recognize the cross-post and I recognize the fact that he also
> > knew
> > > he
> > > > was cross-posting and perchance started the cross-posting in the
first
> > > > place.
> > > >
> > > > What made you grow up to be an imbecile who attacks someone who
> > wants
> > > to
> > > > join a support newsgroup and not be met with criticism and nastiness
> > from
> > > > men's groups?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > What makes you not realize you can delete a newsgroup before sending a
> > post
> > > and only post to the newsgroup to which you subscribed? Not everyone
is
> > > attacking you, they are responding to your attack on men. There are
> > several
> > > men in this single parents newsgroup that are raising their children.
> > Your
> > > comments about men are generalized, you should try to adjust that type
> of
> > > posting if you hope to get support.
> >
> > I never said anything about *all* men. I simply said that for "the
> most
> > part" men are what causes women to be single mothers. I also stated
that
> > there are many single fathers out there as well. So no, I was not
> > generalizing men.
>
> And it remains a sexist, immature and completely incorrect statement.

So we disagree - it's not the first time this sort of thing has happened
on Usenet.


> Somebody by 'zoe' a clue

What exactly does that mean?

[Byron Canfield]

"howldog" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:22:19 GMT, "Byron Canfield"
> > wrote:
>
> >"howldog" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:52:36 -0400, "Zoey" > wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Manfred Acker" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> "Autobodygal" > wrote in message
> >> >> >...
> >> >> > I think that a lot of people would agree with me when I say that
you
> >> >> are a
> >> >> > simple minded idiot! Single mothers are not losers.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes they are. They're too stupid to keep from being stuck raising a
kid
> >> >> by themselves.
> >> >
> >> > Raising a child is a privelige. Sorry that whoever raised you was
a
> >> >moron though. Maybe if you're mother wasn't so busy dealing with her
> >> >asshole husband she could have paid more attention to you and you
> >wouldn't
> >> >have grown up to be an imbecile who has nothing better to do than sit
in
> >> >front of his computer, go to a usenet group called single parents and
> >slam
> >> >single mother. Oh, and since you have no brain I have to inform you
of
> >the
> >> >fact that there is such a thing as single fathers too.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> wow. bitter shrew post of the week.
> >
> >Yeah, that'll do it -- discredit her points
>
>
> SHE DIDNT HAVE ANY. ALL SHE DOES IS INSULT
>
>
> > by calling her names. Good idea!
>
>
> and i'm worse than her. you saw no bitterness in her post? you want to
> excuse that? **** you too.
>
>
> >You're just SOOOOO clever.
>
>
> admiteddly, i am. yes. i'll accept donations in the form of cash only
> please.
>
>
Oooh! Such cutting wit -- I believe that's referred to, however, as a
****-wit.


--
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world:
those who understand binary numbers and those who don't."
-----------------------------
Byron "Barn" Canfield

[denanson]

"Zoe" wrote in message
>
> > Is this what I signed up for? No. We both said we wanted a child.
We had
> consensual unprotected sex in order to get this child. Then he freaked.
I
> think my son will be okay though. He has lots of people who love him,
> grandparents, uncles and friends. I know this can't makeup for the love
of
> a father but I wonder now if his father is even capable of love. I will
> never keep his father from him or him from his father when he is old
enough
> to understand a bit more. I do, however, want to change his last name to
> mine. Right now he has both our last names.

Why is everything about you. What you want, what you think, what you are
going to do, what you are not going to do.
How about considering your child for a change, he has rights too you know.
For a start, he has a name. It is his name. He may,at some point in his
life, wish to change it. That is his choice, not yours. You have no right
whatsoever to change someones name just to suit your current situation. What
if you re-marry? Will you change it again? What if you divorce? Will you
change it back? How many times do you expect to change his name over the
next few years?

Dennis

[Betsy]

"denanson" <Dennis@Large .ie> wrote in message
...
>
> "Zoe" wrote in message
> >
> > > Is this what I signed up for? No. We both said we wanted a
child.
> We had
> > consensual unprotected sex in order to get this child. Then he freaked.
> I
> > think my son will be okay though. He has lots of people who love him,
> > grandparents, uncles and friends. I know this can't makeup for the love
> of
> > a father but I wonder now if his father is even capable of love. I will
> > never keep his father from him or him from his father when he is old
> enough
> > to understand a bit more. I do, however, want to change his last name
to
> > mine. Right now he has both our last names.
>
> Why is everything about you. What you want, what you think, what you are
> going to do, what you are not going to do.
> How about considering your child for a change, he has rights too you know.
> For a start, he has a name. It is his name. He may,at some point in his
> life, wish to change it. That is his choice, not yours. You have no right
> whatsoever to change someones name just to suit your current situation.
What
> if you re-marry? Will you change it again? What if you divorce? Will you
> change it back? How many times do you expect to change his name over the
> next few years?
>
> Dennis
>
>

True statement, Dennis. I know many children who have different last names
than their parents, and have no identity issues whatsoever. Why not just
leave it alone.

Betsy

[Zoe]

"denanson" <Dennis@Large .ie> wrote in message
...
>
> "Zoe" wrote in message
> >
> > > Is this what I signed up for? No. We both said we wanted a
child.
> We had
> > consensual unprotected sex in order to get this child. Then he freaked.
> I
> > think my son will be okay though. He has lots of people who love him,
> > grandparents, uncles and friends. I know this can't makeup for the love
> of
> > a father but I wonder now if his father is even capable of love. I will
> > never keep his father from him or him from his father when he is old
> enough
> > to understand a bit more. I do, however, want to change his last name
to
> > mine. Right now he has both our last names.
>
> Why is everything about you. What you want, what you think, what you are
> going to do, what you are not going to do.
> How about considering your child for a change, he has rights too you know.
> For a start, he has a name. It is his name. He may,at some point in his
> life, wish to change it. That is his choice, not yours.

Oh, really? Gee, how selfish of me to give him a name at all. I should
have just called him "child" until he was old enough to choose is own name
right? Going by your logic, that would be reasonable.

You have no right
> whatsoever to change someones name just to suit your current situation.

Of course I do - he's my child and my dependant. I chose his name at
birth and I can change it now.

What
> if you re-marry? Will you change it again? What if you divorce? Will you
> change it back? How many times do you expect to change his name over the
> next few years?

As many times as I feel like. After all, it is ALL about me.

Funny - the word "judgmental" seems to come up in every post. Think
I'll read on.

[CME]

"'Kate" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:34:16 -0400, "Zoe" > wrote:
>
>
> > Funny - the word "judgmental" seems to come up in every post. Think
> >I'll read on.
>
> as if having a considered opinion is a bad thing.
>
> 'Kate
>

It is when it doesn't agree with your own. Not that I think that... as if
there are other people out there that think differently than me...
pffffffffffft.

Christine

[Tiffany]

"Zoe" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "denanson" <Dennis@Large .ie> wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Zoe" wrote in message
> > >
> > > > Is this what I signed up for? No. We both said we wanted a
> child.
> > We had
> > > consensual unprotected sex in order to get this child. Then he
freaked.
> > I
> > > think my son will be okay though. He has lots of people who love
him,
> > > grandparents, uncles and friends. I know this can't makeup for the
love
> > of
> > > a father but I wonder now if his father is even capable of love. I
will
> > > never keep his father from him or him from his father when he is old
> > enough
> > > to understand a bit more. I do, however, want to change his last name
> to
> > > mine. Right now he has both our last names.
> >
> > Why is everything about you. What you want, what you think, what you are
> > going to do, what you are not going to do.
> > How about considering your child for a change, he has rights too you
know.
> > For a start, he has a name. It is his name. He may,at some point in his
> > life, wish to change it. That is his choice, not yours.
>
> Oh, really? Gee, how selfish of me to give him a name at all. I
should
> have just called him "child" until he was old enough to choose is own name
> right? Going by your logic, that would be reasonable.
>
> You have no right
> > whatsoever to change someones name just to suit your current situation.
>
> Of course I do - he's my child and my dependant. I chose his name at
> birth and I can change it now.
>
> What
> > if you re-marry? Will you change it again? What if you divorce? Will you
> > change it back? How many times do you expect to change his name over the
> > next few years?
>
> As many times as I feel like. After all, it is ALL about me.
>
> Funny - the word "judgmental" seems to come up in every post. Think
> I'll read on.
>
>

thought you went bye-bye Zoe? If I had a nickle for everytime someone said
bye and posted I would be rich.

T

[Lisa]

"Betsy" > wrote in message
...
>
> "denanson" <Dennis@Large .ie> wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Zoe" wrote in message
> > >
> > > > Is this what I signed up for? No. We both said we wanted a
> child.
> > We had
> > > consensual unprotected sex in order to get this child. Then he
freaked.
> > I
> > > think my son will be okay though. He has lots of people who love
him,
> > > grandparents, uncles and friends. I know this can't makeup for the
love
> > of
> > > a father but I wonder now if his father is even capable of love. I
will
> > > never keep his father from him or him from his father when he is old
> > enough
> > > to understand a bit more. I do, however, want to change his last name
> to
> > > mine. Right now he has both our last names.
> >
> > Why is everything about you. What you want, what you think, what you are
> > going to do, what you are not going to do.
> > How about considering your child for a change, he has rights too you
know.
> > For a start, he has a name. It is his name. He may,at some point in his
> > life, wish to change it. That is his choice, not yours. You have no
right
> > whatsoever to change someones name just to suit your current situation.
> What
> > if you re-marry? Will you change it again? What if you divorce? Will you
> > change it back? How many times do you expect to change his name over the
> > next few years?
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> >
>
> True statement, Dennis. I know many children who have different last
names
> than their parents, and have no identity issues whatsoever. Why not just
> leave it alone.
>
> Betsy
>
>

Naturally, names has been an ongoing topic of discussion around here. When
my son was born, I gave him my last name. Now that I am getting married,
bunny boy would like me to keep my maiden name, and he wants to keep his
name. His reasoning is people already know him. I can't argue with that.
Here in Canada, I am able to assume my husband's name without legally
changing it, which would change absolutely all documentation right down to
my birth records. Kinda like a happy compromise.

Lisa

[denanson]

"Zoe" wrote in message
>
> "denanson" < wrote in message
> >
> > "Zoe" wrote in message
> > >
> > > I do, however, want to change his last name to
> > > mine. Right now he has both our last names.


> You have no right
> > whatsoever to change someones name just to suit your current situation.


> Of course I do - he's my child and my dependant. I chose his name at
> birth and I can change it now.
>
> What
> > if you re-marry? Will you change it again? What if you divorce? Will you
> > change it back? How many times do you expect to change his name over the
> > next few years?
>
> As many times as I feel like. After all, it is ALL about me.


So why bother posting if already know what you are going to do?
Is it another way to retaliate against the father who is not returning your
calls?
With your attitude, I wouldn't return your calls either.

Dennis

[lm]

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:42:23 -0400, "Lisa" > wrote:

>
>"Betsy" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "denanson" <Dennis@Large .ie> wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Zoe" wrote in message
>> > >
>> > > > Is this what I signed up for? No. We both said we wanted a
>> child.
>> > We had
>> > > consensual unprotected sex in order to get this child. Then he
>freaked.
>> > I
>> > > think my son will be okay though. He has lots of people who love
>him,
>> > > grandparents, uncles and friends. I know this can't makeup for the
>love
>> > of
>> > > a father but I wonder now if his father is even capable of love. I
>will
>> > > never keep his father from him or him from his father when he is old
>> > enough
>> > > to understand a bit more. I do, however, want to change his last name
>> to
>> > > mine. Right now he has both our last names.
>> >
>> > Why is everything about you. What you want, what you think, what you are
>> > going to do, what you are not going to do.
>> > How about considering your child for a change, he has rights too you
>know.
>> > For a start, he has a name. It is his name. He may,at some point in his
>> > life, wish to change it. That is his choice, not yours. You have no
>right
>> > whatsoever to change someones name just to suit your current situation.
>> What
>> > if you re-marry? Will you change it again? What if you divorce? Will you
>> > change it back? How many times do you expect to change his name over the
>> > next few years?
>> >
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> >
>>
>> True statement, Dennis. I know many children who have different last
>names
>> than their parents, and have no identity issues whatsoever. Why not just
>> leave it alone.
>>
>> Betsy
>>
>>
>
>Naturally, names has been an ongoing topic of discussion around here. When
>my son was born, I gave him my last name. Now that I am getting married,
>bunny boy would like me to keep my maiden name, and he wants to keep his
>name. His reasoning is people already know him. I can't argue with that.
>Here in Canada, I am able to assume my husband's name without legally
>changing it, which would change absolutely all documentation right down to
>my birth records. Kinda like a happy compromise.

Getting close to the day, aren't you? :-)

We're a three-surname family. I struggled with the question of whether
to keep the last name my boys carried, but I went with the "happy mom
means happy kids" line of thought, and took my original surname back.
It was no sweat to the kids. When I married mr. right, I kept my name.
Getting passports is difficult enough as it is! When the subject of
changing names comes up around here, they've got all kinds of options!

lm

[lm]

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:34:16 -0400, "Zoe" > wrote:

>
>"denanson" <Dennis@Large .ie> wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Zoe" wrote in message
>> >
>> > > Is this what I signed up for? No. We both said we wanted a
>child.
>> We had
>> > consensual unprotected sex in order to get this child. Then he freaked.
>> I
>> > think my son will be okay though. He has lots of people who love him,
>> > grandparents, uncles and friends. I know this can't makeup for the love
>> of
>> > a father but I wonder now if his father is even capable of love. I will
>> > never keep his father from him or him from his father when he is old
>> enough
>> > to understand a bit more. I do, however, want to change his last name
>to
>> > mine. Right now he has both our last names.
>>
>> Why is everything about you. What you want, what you think, what you are
>> going to do, what you are not going to do.
>> How about considering your child for a change, he has rights too you know.
>> For a start, he has a name. It is his name. He may,at some point in his
>> life, wish to change it. That is his choice, not yours.
>
> Oh, really? Gee, how selfish of me to give him a name at all. I should
>have just called him "child" until he was old enough to choose is own name
>right? Going by your logic, that would be reasonable.
>
>You have no right
>> whatsoever to change someones name just to suit your current situation.
>
> Of course I do - he's my child and my dependant. I chose his name at
>birth and I can change it now.

It could well make the kid feel like **** though. You chose it at the
time, but it's his identity. My son's first name is my surname. His
father told him to change it when he turns 18. He felt horrible and it
still stings him to think about it.

lm

[Lisa]

"lm" > wrote in message .
>
> Getting close to the day, aren't you? :-)
>

26 more "get ups"

:)