cheated out of sleep

[Vicky Bilaniuk]

I honestly feel cheated out of sleep. The reason is really funny.
Tonight, I thought I would give DH a good night's sleep. I had things I
wanted to do and things I needed to do, so I sent both of my men to bed
and then I got to work. I figured I would stay up and wait for Max's
first night feeding. He usually, ahem *usually* ;-) is on a 3 hourish
schedule. Well, of course, tonight has to be the first night where he
has completely blown that 3 hour thing out of the water. I've been
sitting here, waiting for him, since midnight, and it's now a quarter to
2. :-( I should have just gone to bed, but of course at this point, I
feel like if I go, then as soon as my head hits the pillow, that's when
he'll wake up.

Actually, I'm kind of curious. When did people here notice their babies
sleeping longer night hours? Max is just over 3 weeks old, now.

Oh, and no worries about sleep loss, really. DH will let me sleep in.
:-) We've been tag teaming like that. I usually take the first night
feeding because I don't mind staying up, while DH takes the second and
third, if there is a third, because he is much better at waking from a
deep sleep and jumping out of bed (I used to be able to do this, but I
can't now because it takes me a good few minutes to get the joints
mobile). During the day, we try to nap when Max naps, which is usually
only midday, now - yes, our little guy manages to stay awake for pretty
long stretches during the day. He seems to prefer to take one really
long snooze starting from about mid morning, going to about mid
afternoon. He'll wake to eat, but then he'll go right back to sleep
again afterwards. For a few hours in the morning, and much of the late
afternoon and evening, he is super wide awake.

[Mamma Mia]

"Vicky Bilaniuk" > wrote in message
...
>I honestly feel cheated out of sleep. The reason is really funny. Tonight,
>I thought I would give DH a good night's sleep. I had things I wanted to
>do and things I needed to do, so I sent both of my men to bed and then I
>got to work. I figured I would stay up and wait for Max's first night
>feeding. He usually, ahem *usually* ;-) is on a 3 hourish schedule. Well,
>of course, tonight has to be the first night where he has completely blown
>that 3 hour thing out of the water. I've been sitting here, waiting for
>him, since midnight, and it's now a quarter to 2. :-( I should have just
>gone to bed, but of course at this point, I feel like if I go, then as soon
>as my head hits the pillow, that's when he'll wake up.
>
> Actually, I'm kind of curious. When did people here notice their babies
> sleeping longer night hours? Max is just over 3 weeks old, now.
>
> Oh, and no worries about sleep loss, really. DH will let me sleep in. :-)
> We've been tag teaming like that. I usually take the first night feeding
> because I don't mind staying up, while DH takes the second and third, if
> there is a third, because he is much better at waking from a deep sleep
> and jumping out of bed (I used to be able to do this, but I can't now
> because it takes me a good few minutes to get the joints mobile). During
> the day, we try to nap when Max naps, which is usually only midday, now -
> yes, our little guy manages to stay awake for pretty long stretches during
> the day. He seems to prefer to take one really long snooze starting from
> about mid morning, going to about mid afternoon. He'll wake to eat, but
> then he'll go right back to sleep again afterwards. For a few hours in
> the morning, and much of the late afternoon and evening, he is super wide
> awake.

one thing i worked out - it is better to go to sleep for 20 mins and be
woken up than to stay awake waiting for that feed that never happesn!!!

tell little max to be a bit more considerate to his mummy!

christine

[Vicky Bilaniuk]

Mamma Mia wrote:
> one thing i worked out - it is better to go to sleep for 20 mins and be
> woken up than to stay awake waiting for that feed that never happesn!!!

A few years ago, that would have been me, but these days, once I lie
still for a bit, I get stuck that way and it takes me a few minutes to
get moving again. When half asleep, it makes me really grouchy. I
really need to visit that rheumatologist, but the buggers haven't called
me yet to give me a time. I will have to start bugging them.

At this point (2:40am), I think I'm going to give up and leave it up to
DH. We're getting into his normal period for taking over, anyway. I
just worry that poor Max hasn't had enough to eat. Heck, *I'm* hungry,
now. I will have to have a snack before I head to bed. I'll have to
just keep reminding myself that Max ate like a little piggy earlier.
;-) (*I* didn't, though, and now I feel like my stomach is going to eat me)

I keep hearing little peeps out of him, on the monitor, and I keep
thinking that he's finally waking up, but he goes right back to sleep.
I've even gone in to check on him, and he's warm, breathing, and so on.

> tell little max to be a bit more considerate to his mummy!

;-) He's super sweet, though, so I don't mind the night wakings (well,
staying up really late) as long as DH can relieve me later on. I can't
believe how much I love my cute little baby. :-)

[Mamma Mia]

"Vicky Bilaniuk" > wrote in message
...
> Mamma Mia wrote:
>> one thing i worked out - it is better to go to sleep for 20 mins and be
>> woken up than to stay awake waiting for that feed that never happesn!!!
>
> A few years ago, that would have been me, but these days, once I lie still
> for a bit, I get stuck that way and it takes me a few minutes to get
> moving again. When half asleep, it makes me really grouchy. I really
> need to visit that rheumatologist, but the buggers haven't called me yet
> to give me a time. I will have to start bugging them.
>
> At this point (2:40am), I think I'm going to give up and leave it up to
> DH. We're getting into his normal period for taking over, anyway. I just
> worry that poor Max hasn't had enough to eat. Heck, *I'm* hungry, now. I
> will have to have a snack before I head to bed. I'll have to just keep
> reminding myself that Max ate like a little piggy earlier. ;-) (*I*
> didn't, though, and now I feel like my stomach is going to eat me)
>
> I keep hearing little peeps out of him, on the monitor, and I keep
> thinking that he's finally waking up, but he goes right back to sleep.
> I've even gone in to check on him, and he's warm, breathing, and so on.
>
>> tell little max to be a bit more considerate to his mummy!
>
> ;-) He's super sweet, though, so I don't mind the night wakings (well,
> staying up really late) as long as DH can relieve me later on. I can't
> believe how much I love my cute little baby. :-)

awww, nice to be in love isnt it!

c

[Anne Rogers]

> A few years ago, that would have been me, but these days, once I lie
> still for a bit, I get stuck that way and it takes me a few minutes to
> get moving again. When half asleep, it makes me really grouchy. I
> really need to visit that rheumatologist, but the buggers haven't called
> me yet to give me a time. I will have to start bugging them.
>
ouch, I have similar problems, ds usually sleeps through, dh gets him up,
puts him in the right position for me to feed him, then sets to work on
making me mobile again, fortunately it wasn't that bad when ds was first
born.

[Sophie]

It comes and goes.
For a while Nolan was going to bed at 11 pm, getting up at 2 am and 6 am.
Then he dropped the 2 am feed and changed the 6 am to 4 am.
But just Monday night he woke up at 2 am, 4 am, 5 am, and 6 am - ugh!
But Tuesday night he went from 10:30 to 6:30.

I don't expect a pattern for a long time.

[shixa]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 01:52:54 -0400, Vicky Bilaniuk
> wrote:

> I've been
>sitting here, waiting for him, since midnight, and it's now a quarter to
>2. :-( I should have just gone to bed, but of course at this point, I
>feel like if I go, then as soon as my head hits the pillow, that's when
>he'll wake up.
>
>Actually, I'm kind of curious. When did people here notice their babies
>sleeping longer night hours? Max is just over 3 weeks old, now.
>
I went through that exact same thing and then I figured out that he
had finally started his 'long stretch' at night. At first it was 4
hours the a little longer, little longer over the weeks & months and
then I started to notice he was getting crankier & crankier, earlier &
earlier so now he averages from 7a-7p straight thru with no
interruptions. At least he was before his ear infection. Now he gets
up at about 2 or 3am and I just move him to his swing, give a quick
dose of tylenol and *usually* he's out till around 7 when he's ready
to eat.

Carla
Mom to Victor Paul born 5.16.04
www.victorpictures.com <--See him here!

[Nikki]

Vicky Bilaniuk wrote:

> Actually, I'm kind of curious. When did people here notice their
> babies sleeping longer night hours? Max is just over 3 weeks old,
> now.

Are you sure you want to know? Mine ate multiple times a night for a *very
long time*. We'll leave it at that ;-) It was even longer before they
slept through the night (with me) and they still don't sleep through the
night without me. That isn't bothering me much so I haven't encouraged
anything different.

--
Nikki

[Shena Delian O'Brien]

Vicky Bilaniuk wrote:

> A few years ago, that would have been me, but these days, once I lie
> still for a bit, I get stuck that way and it takes me a few minutes to
> get moving again. When half asleep, it makes me really grouchy. I

I'm with you on that. I end up a total insomniac because I'd rather stay
awake then go down and have to get up again right away. If it's less
than an hour of sleep, forget about it. It just serves to make me
grouchy and sore.

[Jill]

"Vicky Bilaniuk" > wrote
> Actually, I'm kind of curious. When did people here notice their babies
> sleeping longer night hours? Max is just over 3 weeks old, now.
>

Rachel has always slept in bed with me, and pretty much after her first few
nights home, certainly by one week, she was sleeping through the night
except for one getting-up, at 3:30am on the dot. You could set a clock by
her. Then, one night she woke up at 1:30 am, and then went back to 3:30am,
then would slip to 4:30am some. But still only getting me physically up out
of bed once per night.

Now, she goes all night without getting up but I sometimes prefer to keep
getting up once--because she no longer poos at night, but she goes down at
about 10pm and if she sleeps until 6am, that is a very heavy, yucky, full of
pee diaper. It doesn't leak but I can't stand her laying around in that! SO
I have started putting her down at 9-10pm, and when I go to bed at midnight
I change her- she goes right back to sleep. Then When my husband leaves for
work, I get up again and change her. As far as nursing, she goes all night
without disturbing me, but she does nurse on demand. I can sleep through
that, I will half-awake roll over to her and lift the flap, and then the
next thing I know it's 6am and we are both sleeping cuddled up.

One good thing, after the first week, I relaxed about my fear of rolling
over on her. Sometimes her arm will get up under mine, and she will grunt
and pull it out. And when she wants to nurse she will slide over to me and
beat on me with her arms and legs until I turn over. If I don't turn over
soon, she will get huffy. It's so cute. But she doesn't cry.

Again, though, I really find that I want to GET her up even though she
doesn't wake up, because I can't stand the full-pee-diaper, yuck. She's
never had a rash at all but I do not like the thought of her not having a
clean diaper every time she goes.

[Jill]

"Sophie" > wrote in message
...
> It comes and goes.
> For a while Nolan was going to bed at 11 pm, getting up at 2 am and 6 am.
> Then he dropped the 2 am feed and changed the 6 am to 4 am.
> But just Monday night he woke up at 2 am, 4 am, 5 am, and 6 am - ugh!
> But Tuesday night he went from 10:30 to 6:30.
>
> I don't expect a pattern for a long time.
>

Yeah I remember the first week Rachel was going every 2 hours, 11:30p,
1:30a, 3:30a, 5:30a.......then at a week she dropped all but the 3:30a feed.

For months she has only gotten up once in the middle of the night, but this
past week a couple of nights, she didn't *get me up* out of the bed, but she
did something similar to Nolan about feeding, I had to awaken and roll over
at like 12:30, 1:30, 2:30, 4:30, 5:30...At 4:30 I decided to get up and
change her diaper so it would be less full at our usual 6-7a change, but
then we ended up sleeping in until 10a, so it was still full again.

Rachel has stopped having poos 6 times a day, and on the first change of the
morning. She skipped a day, and now has about 1 a day, sometimes 2, and
usually in the afternoon! odd....odd how it changed just like that *snap*

[Jill]

"shixa" > wrote
> then I started to notice he was getting crankier & crankier, earlier &
> earlier so now he averages from 7a-7p straight thru with no
> interruptions. At least he was before his ear infection. Now he gets
> up at about 2 or 3am and I just move him to his swing,

Rachel is starting to get fussier and I have been starting to put her down
earlier. She used to go at midnight, then it became 11p, now it's 20...I am
sliding her back to 7p-- well I would already but sometimes her dad doesn't
get home from his day until after then and he wants to see her....even on
nights he is not in school, he doesn't get home from his commute until 6pm
on a good night. I think 8pm might be the earliest good bed time for her ...

She's over her swing, it is no longer the magical cure-all! Wah...she will
stay in it only for short times. She used to nap in it. Same with boucer,
she will stay for short times only. She is very nosy now and wants to be all
in what's going on, lol. So she is usually being held by me, and also I am
taking her out much more for strolls and to the store, the library, the
track...

[Angela Schepers]

I noticed at around 5-6 weeks old Quinn started going from waking every
2-4 hours to around 5-6 hours and every week or so after he slowly
started stretching out his schedule. At 4.5 mos he sleeps from 10pm at
night to 8-10am in the morning and eats 5-7oz EBM every 3-4 hours. But
from what I hear we're lucky to have a baby that sleeps through the
night for as old as he is.

Vicky Bilaniuk wrote:


>
> Actually, I'm kind of curious. When did people here notice their babies
> sleeping longer night hours? Max is just over 3 weeks old, now.
>

[Circe]

Vicky Bilaniuk wrote:
> Actually, I'm kind of curious. When did people here notice their
> babies sleeping longer night hours? Max is just over 3 weeks old,
> now.
>
Not until a lot later than 3 weeks old, that's for sure. Well, maybe Vernon
was giving me longer stretches by that age (he was sleeping 9-10 hours
straight by 9 weeks, though it only lasted until he was about 5 months old),
but honestly, my first two didn't reliably give me 4-5 hour stretches until
between 4 and 6 months, probably, and they kept waking up 2-3 times per
night (or more!) until we night-weaned them when they were 15 and 18 months
respectively. (Vernon has never been night-weaned. At 2.5yo, he still nurses
once in the wee hours of the morning--usually between 3:30 and 5:30,
depending on how much dinner he ate--and then goes back to sleep until
morning. It doesn't bug me to be up that one time, so I haven't bothered
night-weaning him.)
--
Be well, Barbara
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[shixa]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:31:01 GMT, Angela Schepers
> wrote:

>from what I hear we're lucky to have a baby that sleeps through the
>night for as old as he is.
>
From what I've heard it's more unusual to have them *not* sleeping
10-12 straight through by 4 months or so. V has been sleeping from
about 7a-7p for about a month now.

Carla
Mom to Victor Paul born 5.16.04
www.victorpictures.com <--See him here!

[shixa]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:03:24 GMT, shixa >
wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:31:01 GMT, Angela Schepers
> wrote:
>
>>from what I hear we're lucky to have a baby that sleeps through the
>>night for as old as he is.
>>
>From what I've heard it's more unusual to have them *not* sleeping
>10-12 straight through by 4 months or so. V has been sleeping from
>about 7a-7p for about a month now.
>
OOPS I meant 7p-7a...duh

Carla
Mom to Victor Paul born 5.16.04
www.victorpictures.com <--See him here!

[Vicky Bilaniuk]

Mamma Mia wrote:

> awww, nice to be in love isnt it!

Yup. I love how seeing his little face can make me smile. He doesn't
even have to be awake, but I really do love it when he *is*, because
then he looks at me. I also love the little fish face he makes when
he's hungry. ;-) Oh, and the scary thing is that I think he's super
cute even when he's angry. ;-)

[Circe]

shixa wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:31:01 GMT, Angela Schepers
> > wrote:
>> from what I hear we're lucky to have a baby that sleeps through the
>> night for as old as he is.
>>
> From what I've heard it's more unusual to have them *not* sleeping
> 10-12 straight through by 4 months or so. V has been sleeping from
> about 7a-7p for about a month now.

Not on my planet! In fact, I've *never* had a child who slept for 12
straight hours--ever. Mine have only ever slept 8-10 hours at a time, with
naps of 2-4 hours throughout the rest of the day, depending on their ages.
Whenever I had my babies in for well-checks, they always wanted to know that
they had slept for 8-10 hours per night, not including naps, so my suspicion
is that 12 hours per night is *not* the norm.

But anyway, lucky you!
--
Be well, Barbara
Mom to Sin (Vernon, 2), Misery (Aurora, 5), and the Rising Son (Julian, 7)

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[Vicky Bilaniuk]

Anne Rogers wrote:

>>A few years ago, that would have been me, but these days, once I lie
>>still for a bit, I get stuck that way and it takes me a few minutes to
>>get moving again. When half asleep, it makes me really grouchy. I
>>really need to visit that rheumatologist, but the buggers haven't called
>>me yet to give me a time. I will have to start bugging them.
>>
>
> ouch, I have similar problems, ds usually sleeps through, dh gets him up,
> puts him in the right position for me to feed him, then sets to work on
> making me mobile again, fortunately it wasn't that bad when ds was first
> born.
>
>
>

I forget now, but were you the other one who was suffering from pubic
bone pain right alongside me? If so, how is it now? I'm still having
problems with it, myself, but only when I try to sleep in a horizontal
position and on my side. I have only just recently started sleeping in
our regular bed again, but I can only lie on my back, and I can't move.
I still need pillows under my knees, but not as many as before. It's
nice to be able to lie on my back, though. At first, after giving
birth, lying on my back was a bad thing - I would get *major* sciatica
types of problems. That seems to have nearly gone completely away now,
though, and it's getting better and better every day (phew). I'm
looking forward to the day when I can sleep on my side again.

[Vicky Bilaniuk]

Sophie wrote:

> But just Monday night he woke up at 2 am, 4 am, 5 am, and 6 am - ugh!

We've had nights like that. ;-) Very few, though, thankfully.

> But Tuesday night he went from 10:30 to 6:30.
>
> I don't expect a pattern for a long time.

Oh, darn. :-( We got a 6 hour stretch out of him last night. I am
hoping that he'll do that again tonight, so that I can get maybe a 5
hour night. 5 hours work well for me. Anything less makes me feel
sleep deprived. Maybe we'll luck out again tonight.

He really does seem to be fighting like mad to stay awake during the
day, now. I can't believe how much he has changed since we brought him
home!

[Vicky Bilaniuk]

Jill wrote:

> She's over her swing, it is no longer the magical cure-all! Wah...she will
> stay in it only for short times. She used to nap in it. Same with boucer,
> she will stay for short times only.

Max is like this already, but I think it's because he's a cuddly baby
who likes to be held. He loves his sling, which is sad for me, in a
way, because I can't wear it for too long. I wore it for about an hour
a couple of days ago and I've been paying the price ever since. I think
I need to shop around for another one. We're using a Snugli because the
Baby Bjorns were all sold out and the store took too long to get more in
(they finally called us and said that they had some, on something like
day 4 or 5 of Max's life). The Snugli is definitely hard on the upper back.

[Nikki]

Vicky Bilaniuk wrote:

> I forget now, but were you the other one who was suffering from pubic
> bone pain right alongside me? If so, how is it now? I'm still having
> problems with it, myself, but only when I try to sleep in a horizontal
> position and on my side. I have only just recently started sleeping
> in our regular bed again, but I can only lie on my back, and I can't
> move. I still need pillows under my knees, but not as many as
> before. It's nice to be able to lie on my back, though. At first,
> after giving birth, lying on my back was a bad thing - I would get
> *major* sciatica types of problems. That seems to have nearly gone
> completely away now, though, and it's getting better and better every
> day (phew). I'm looking forward to the day when I can sleep on my
> side again.

I'm not the person you were thinking of but I also had the pubic bone pain
in pregnancy and hip pain after. That awful pubic bone pain went away with
birth for me (yay) but my hips hurt when I laid in bed for about 6 months,
especially when on my side. It was at that time they went back to their
normal shape and quit aching so much at night. My wrists also hurt
something awful and that went away at about 6 months.

That didn't happen with #2 but my ankles hurt - and my feet got bigger, lol.
I have terrible feet and ankles anyway. That didn't go away until I
weaned - then I promptly injured myself :-P.

I don't have arthritis, I'm sure that complicates things and makes
everything worse :-(


--
Nikki

[Anne Rogers]

> I forget now, but were you the other one who was suffering from pubic
> bone pain right alongside me? If so, how is it now? I'm still having
> problems with it, myself, but only when I try to sleep in a horizontal
> position and on my side. I have only just recently started sleeping in
> our regular bed again, but I can only lie on my back, and I can't move.
> I still need pillows under my knees, but not as many as before. It's
> nice to be able to lie on my back, though. At first, after giving
> birth, lying on my back was a bad thing - I would get *major* sciatica
> types of problems. That seems to have nearly gone completely away now,
> though, and it's getting better and better every day (phew). I'm
> looking forward to the day when I can sleep on my side again.

it wasn't me, but I did have it, but it almost vanished straight after
delivery, I've just started going to the gym and I was supposed to try using
a machine to work my innner thighs, sitting in the correct position was
uncomfortable and doing the exercise was very painful, so I won't be doing
it any more, however it makes me think that I'll probably have worse
problems next time :-(

my biggest problem after the birth was that my hips became very unstable, I
could barely walk

[Nikki]

Anne Rogers wrote:

> it wasn't me, but I did have it, but it almost vanished straight after
> delivery, I've just started going to the gym and I was supposed to
> try using a machine to work my innner thighs, sitting in the correct
> position was uncomfortable and doing the exercise was very painful,
> so I won't be doing it any more, however it makes me think that I'll
> probably have worse problems next time :-(
>
> my biggest problem after the birth was that my hips became very
> unstable, I could barely walk

I didn't have any trouble the second time! :-)


--
Nikki

[Vicky Bilaniuk]

Nikki wrote:

> I don't have arthritis, I'm sure that complicates things and makes
> everything worse :-(

The arthritis makes me very stiff. The only way I can loosen up is to
take a nice hot shower. Well, I can't do that whenever Max wakes up for
a feeding, so it's a bit of a PITA right now. Day time care is no
problem, though. Either we sit for hours on the couch ;-) or I manage
to get a shower in fairly early on, and then we can go out.

[Vicky Bilaniuk]

Anne Rogers wrote:

>>I forget now, but were you the other one who was suffering from pubic
>>bone pain right alongside me? If so, how is it now? I'm still having
>>problems with it, myself, but only when I try to sleep in a horizontal
>>position and on my side. I have only just recently started sleeping in
>>our regular bed again, but I can only lie on my back, and I can't move.
>> I still need pillows under my knees, but not as many as before. It's
>>nice to be able to lie on my back, though. At first, after giving
>>birth, lying on my back was a bad thing - I would get *major* sciatica
>>types of problems. That seems to have nearly gone completely away now,
>>though, and it's getting better and better every day (phew). I'm
>>looking forward to the day when I can sleep on my side again.
>
>
> it wasn't me, but I did have it, but it almost vanished straight after

It must have been Angela Scheppers (sp? sorry) then. I couldn't
remember for sure who it was.

> my biggest problem after the birth was that my hips became very unstable, I
> could barely walk

Yeah, the instability got worse for me, too, but it was there before. I
walk funny these days. ;-) Things are actually a lot more stable now
than they were before, but for some reason, I still have an odd limp. I
basically keep dragging my right leg, and I don't like to bear my weight
on it. Every time I take Max out for a stroll, I keep thinking that it
must look terribly funny to see me coming down the bike trail. I always
wonder if other mothers look at me and understand. ;-)

[Sophie]

"Vicky Bilaniuk" > wrote in message
. ..
> Sophie wrote:
>
> > But just Monday night he woke up at 2 am, 4 am, 5 am, and 6 am - ugh!
>
> We've had nights like that. ;-) Very few, though, thankfully.
>
> > But Tuesday night he went from 10:30 to 6:30.
> >
> > I don't expect a pattern for a long time.
>
> Oh, darn. :-( We got a 6 hour stretch out of him last night. I am
> hoping that he'll do that again tonight, so that I can get maybe a 5
> hour night. 5 hours work well for me. Anything less makes me feel
> sleep deprived. Maybe we'll luck out again tonight.

Last night was do-able - 10:30 pm to 4 am then till 6:45 am (heard him just
as I got out of the shower).

> He really does seem to be fighting like mad to stay awake during the
> day, now. I can't believe how much he has changed since we brought him
> home!

He's awake a lot now. It's neat, he either just sits in his bouncy chair,
on my lap, or lays on the floor and talks and looks around.

[firedancer623]

"shixa" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:03:24 GMT, shixa >
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:31:01 GMT, Angela Schepers
> wrote:
>>
>>>from what I hear we're lucky to have a baby that sleeps through the
>>>night for as old as he is.
>>>
>>From what I've heard it's more unusual to have them *not* sleeping
>>10-12 straight through by 4 months or so. V has been sleeping from
>>about 7a-7p for about a month now.
>>
> OOPS I meant 7p-7a...duh
>
> Carla


Can V come over and talk to my Xander? He's 11 mos and he still gets up
twice a night (goes to bed around 8-9ish and is up by 7am)

The only one of my 3 who ever slept a 12 hr stretch was my daughter - she
spoiled us, lol. My 5 yr old still wakes up occassionally (and didn't
consistently sleep through the night well into toddlerhood, and even then,
it was 8-10 hrs at best)

Kari

[shixa]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:48:58 GMT, "firedancer623"
> wrote:

>Can V come over and talk to my Xander? He's 11 mos and he still gets up
>twice a night (goes to bed around 8-9ish and is up by 7am)
>
>The only one of my 3 who ever slept a 12 hr stretch was my daughter - she
>spoiled us, lol. My 5 yr old still wakes up occassionally (and didn't
>consistently sleep through the night well into toddlerhood, and even then,
>it was 8-10 hrs at best)

I guess it's not as common as I thought. I just consistently remember
people telling us when V was only a couple of weeks old that "Oh,
he'll be sleeping 12 hours a night before you know it" frankly, I
never believed them until it started happening. But he pretty much
sleeps 10-12 straight hours per night -- except for this past week
he's had an ear infection and has been waking up between 2 & 4am and I
give him some tylenol and he goes back to sleep.

I'm crossing my fingers that he'll get back to his regular routine
once his infection is completely gone.

Carla
Mom to Victor Paul born 5.16.04
www.victorpictures.com <--See him here!

[firedancer623]

"shixa" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:48:58 GMT, "firedancer623"
> > wrote:
>
>>Can V come over and talk to my Xander? He's 11 mos and he still gets up
>>twice a night (goes to bed around 8-9ish and is up by 7am)
>>
>>The only one of my 3 who ever slept a 12 hr stretch was my daughter - she
>>spoiled us, lol. My 5 yr old still wakes up occassionally (and didn't
>>consistently sleep through the night well into toddlerhood, and even then,
>>it was 8-10 hrs at best)
>
> I guess it's not as common as I thought. I just consistently remember
> people telling us when V was only a couple of weeks old that "Oh,
> he'll be sleeping 12 hours a night before you know it" frankly, I
> never believed them until it started happening. But he pretty much
> sleeps 10-12 straight hours per night -- except for this past week
> he's had an ear infection and has been waking up between 2 & 4am and I
> give him some tylenol and he goes back to sleep.
>
> I'm crossing my fingers that he'll get back to his regular routine
> once his infection is completely gone.
>

Poor V, ear infections are the worst. That and teething combined, he must
feel miserable!

And enjoy the sleep, I envy you :)

Kari
mom to Kaylie, Noah and Xander

[Maggie]

Vicky Bilaniuk spake thusly
>I honestly feel cheated out of sleep.

Yup, been there, done that! :)

>
>Actually, I'm kind of curious. When did people here notice their
>babies sleeping longer night hours? Max is just over 3 weeks old, now.

Jamie started sleeping longer at night fairly early - I remember him
doing five hours between feeds at night in the first couple of weeks,
because I was told to wake him up and feed him as his weight wasn't
increasing enough for the midwife. :(

Anyway, by 7 weeks old I had got the feeding sorted and he started
sleeping 7pm to around 4.30-5.00am. At 3 months (exactly!), he started
sleeping 7pm to 7am, and has stayed that way ever since, give or take an
hour in the morning. (He's nearly 5 months now). Occasionally he'll
wake up earlier, chat to himself a bit, then go back to sleep.

When he was still waking at 5am, I read and got advice from friends to
wake him up at 10pm to give him a feed so that he'd then sleep through
till 7 or 8. I did not try this! It might have worked, but I figured
being woken once in the night was fine and I'd just let him find his
natural rhythm. Which he eventually did, and it's been pretty good (so
far).

--
Maggie

[A&G&K&H]

"Vicky Bilaniuk" > wrote in message
...
> I honestly feel cheated out of sleep. The reason is really funny.
> Tonight, I thought I would give DH a good night's sleep. I had things I
> wanted to do and things I needed to do, so I sent both of my men to bed
> and then I got to work. I figured I would stay up and wait for Max's
> first night feeding. He usually, ahem *usually* ;-) is on a 3 hourish
> schedule. Well, of course, tonight has to be the first night where he
> has completely blown that 3 hour thing out of the water. I've been
> sitting here, waiting for him, since midnight, and it's now a quarter to
> 2. :-( I should have just gone to bed, but of course at this point, I
> feel like if I go, then as soon as my head hits the pillow, that's when
> he'll wake up.
>
> Actually, I'm kind of curious. When did people here notice their babies
> sleeping longer night hours? Max is just over 3 weeks old, now.

I know what you mean! I learnt *never* to stay awake to feed a baby at
night ... as sure as you think they'll wake up at a predictable time, they
change.
H has been waking me only once at night for the past few nights (9:30 pm
.... I'm still awake ... 2 am and then 5:30 am ...I'm getting up then
anyway). Its been heavenly :)
I do notice that if he sleeps too much during the day we will have a bad
night though. All babies are different though.
Amanda

--
DD 15th August 2002
1 tiny angel Nov 2003
DS 20th August 2004

[Vicky Bilaniuk]

Sophie wrote:

> He's awake a lot now. It's neat, he either just sits in his bouncy chair,
> on my lap, or lays on the floor and talks and looks around.

Have you got updated pics of him?

I haven't updated my little site, yet. My family is getting annoyed,
but I will try to do it soon. ;-)

[Vicky Bilaniuk]

Vicky Bilaniuk wrote:

> Sophie wrote:
>
>> He's awake a lot now. It's neat, he either just sits in his bouncy
>> chair,
>> on my lap, or lays on the floor and talks and looks around.
>
>
> Have you got updated pics of him?

Never mind. I just looked up your website again and I saw some pics
that I hadn't seen before. So cute! :-)

I also saw the tributary page, which was a sad one. Hard for me to look
at, actually.

[Jenrose]

"Vicky Bilaniuk" > wrote in message
. ..
> Jill wrote:
>
>> She's over her swing, it is no longer the magical cure-all! Wah...she
>> will
>> stay in it only for short times. She used to nap in it. Same with boucer,
>> she will stay for short times only.
>
> Max is like this already, but I think it's because he's a cuddly baby who
> likes to be held. He loves his sling, which is sad for me, in a way,
> because I can't wear it for too long. I wore it for about an hour a
> couple of days ago and I've been paying the price ever since. I think I
> need to shop around for another one. We're using a Snugli because the
> Baby Bjorns were all sold out and the store took too long to get more in
> (they finally called us and said that they had some, on something like day
> 4 or 5 of Max's life). The Snugli is definitely hard on the upper back.

Are you on the Kozy wait list yet? I've been re-converted after watching my
cousin with chronic back pain pick one up and figure it out in under 30
seconds. She glommed on to it all weekend and I finally gave up and sent it
home with her because I couldn't stand not to.

Jenrose

[Kelly]

Just when you thought you had it all figured out. That's a newborn for you
;) I don't have any real concrete advice about feeding patterns, because it
seems to change constantly.
Kelly

"Vicky Bilaniuk" > wrote in message
...
> I honestly feel cheated out of sleep. The reason is really funny.
> Tonight, I thought I would give DH a good night's sleep. I had things I
> wanted to do and things I needed to do, so I sent both of my men to bed
> and then I got to work. I figured I would stay up and wait for Max's
> first night feeding. He usually, ahem *usually* ;-) is on a 3 hourish
> schedule. Well, of course, tonight has to be the first night where he
> has completely blown that 3 hour thing out of the water. I've been
> sitting here, waiting for him, since midnight, and it's now a quarter to
> 2. :-( I should have just gone to bed, but of course at this point, I
> feel like if I go, then as soon as my head hits the pillow, that's when
> he'll wake up.
>
> Actually, I'm kind of curious. When did people here notice their babies
> sleeping longer night hours? Max is just over 3 weeks old, now.
>
> Oh, and no worries about sleep loss, really. DH will let me sleep in.
> :-) We've been tag teaming like that. I usually take the first night
> feeding because I don't mind staying up, while DH takes the second and
> third, if there is a third, because he is much better at waking from a
> deep sleep and jumping out of bed (I used to be able to do this, but I
> can't now because it takes me a good few minutes to get the joints
> mobile). During the day, we try to nap when Max naps, which is usually
> only midday, now - yes, our little guy manages to stay awake for pretty
> long stretches during the day. He seems to prefer to take one really
> long snooze starting from about mid morning, going to about mid
> afternoon. He'll wake to eat, but then he'll go right back to sleep
> again afterwards. For a few hours in the morning, and much of the late
> afternoon and evening, he is super wide awake.

[Vicky Bilaniuk]

Jenrose wrote:

> Are you on the Kozy wait list yet? I've been re-converted after watching my

I've never even heard of it. Does it have a strap that goes around the
lower back? I think that's what I need. The Snugli doesn't have one.
I can't remember what the Baby Bjorns have. I was going to look around
online to see what I can find. (I'm so happy now that the Canadian
branch of Babies R Us *finally* has an online store)

[Vicky Bilaniuk]

Kelly wrote:

> Just when you thought you had it all figured out. That's a newborn for you
> ;) I don't have any real concrete advice about feeding patterns, because it
> seems to change constantly.

Yeah, his feeding pattern is changing constantly, alright... He is
constantly taking bigger and bigger feeds. ;-) Thankfully, he doesn't
eat as often, otherwise he would blow up, I'm sure. (oh, but there is
the odd day where he wants to eat a little bit every hour, so he does
like to keep us guessing, heh heh)

[Sophie]

"Vicky Bilaniuk" > wrote in message
. ..
> Sophie wrote:
>
> > He's awake a lot now. It's neat, he either just sits in his bouncy
chair,
> > on my lap, or lays on the floor and talks and looks around.
>
> Have you got updated pics of him?

Yep http://www.mcgehees.com Click on deployed pics.

Took more today and will put them up soon.

> I haven't updated my little site, yet. My family is getting annoyed,
> but I will try to do it soon. ;-)

The best time for me to do it is at night but I'm too tired to use my brain
then - lol.

[Vicky Bilaniuk]

Sophie wrote:

> "Vicky Bilaniuk" > wrote in message
>>I haven't updated my little site, yet. My family is getting annoyed,
>>but I will try to do it soon. ;-)
>
>
> The best time for me to do it is at night but I'm too tired to use my brain
> then - lol.
>
>

I updated mine. http://individual.utoronto.ca/taz/max/Max.html

The site is slow at the moment. Not sure why. It's normally blazing fast.

[Jenrose]

"Vicky Bilaniuk" > wrote in message
. ..
> Jenrose wrote:
>
>> Are you on the Kozy wait list yet? I've been re-converted after watching
>> my
>
> I've never even heard of it. Does it have a strap that goes around the
> lower back? I think that's what I need. The Snugli doesn't have one. I
> can't remember what the Baby Bjorns have. I was going to look around
> online to see what I can find. (I'm so happy now that the Canadian branch
> of Babies R Us *finally* has an online store)

www.kozycarrier.com

Also www.sachicarriers.com has ones that look good. Another option is

http://www.freewebs.com/freehand/ too, but I think her wait list is longer
than Kelley's.

Also http://www.cuddlencarry.homestead.com/slings.html

I've tried the Kozy and Cuddle N Carry and the Sachi and Freehand are both
getting great reviews.

Jenrose

[Vicky Bilaniuk]

Jenrose wrote:
> www.kozycarrier.com
>
> Also www.sachicarriers.com has ones that look good. Another option is
>
> http://www.freewebs.com/freehand/ too, but I think her wait list is longer
> than Kelley's.
>
> Also http://www.cuddlencarry.homestead.com/slings.html

Thanks for the links!

[Joybelle]

"Vicky Bilaniuk" > wrote in message
...
> Sophie wrote:
>
> > "Vicky Bilaniuk" > wrote in message
> >>I haven't updated my little site, yet. My family is getting annoyed,
> >>but I will try to do it soon. ;-)
> >
> >
> > The best time for me to do it is at night but I'm too tired to use my
brain
> > then - lol.
> >
> >
>
> I updated mine. http://individual.utoronto.ca/taz/max/Max.html
>
> The site is slow at the moment. Not sure why. It's normally blazing
fast.

He is such a doll, Vicky! I adore the pic of him with his hands on his
tummy. Like my grandfather was after a satisfying meal. :) Max looked
adorable and so pleased.

--
Joy

Rose 1-30-99
Iris 2-28-01
Spencer 3-12-03

[Sophie]

> I just mean that I would be a complete and total basket case, constantly
on
> edge and never able to relax. But you have to understand, I'm the sort of
> person who worries if my husband is unusually late getting home and I
can't
> reach him on the cell phone. ("Oh my God, he's had an accident. Should I
> start calling the hospitals?") LOL! I'm just too much of a Nervous Nelly.
So
> I give you military wives credit for having way more balls than I do.
> Knowing what I know about myself, I don't think I would have ever married
a
> military guy, though, just because I know the lifestyle would be
> incompatible with my mental health.

Well I get nervous when my husband is late home cos he has a long drive,
usually in the dark, winding road, and he's tired. I can't spend 7 months
stressed 24/7. You're logical about it. He doesn't have the kind of job
that has him on patrols where they're getting hit by grenades or roadside
bombs. Same as during the war, there were plane and helicopter crashes. I
didn't think it was him cos he had no reason to be on an aircraft. *That's*
what bugs me about my MIL - she doesn't know enough about his job to think
clearly.

> Well, I don't think there would be a big enough critical mass of
> Marines/military in our neighborhood for something like Young Marines to
be
> an option for this family. We have officers living out here, but the bulk
of
> the force is the enlisted folks, and there aren't enough of them here for
> there to be a critical mass. Something like that would probably mean a lot
> of driving for the mother, which may be why she's look at Scouts instead.

Oh sure, you do what's near you. And actually she'll probably get more help
being one of a few military families. You have more sympathy for her than
another military family would - lol.

> Scouts is definitely only as good as the parents/leaders you get, though.
> Our den wasn't very good last year because our leader was really
> disorganized. My husband took over from her in the summer and things have
> been a lot better since then. It's a lot of work for ME, though. I'm
usually
> the one who has to get all the supplies together for the activities and
> stuff, so I spend a lot of time running around on den meeting days getting
> stuff. Ugh!

Lol - it's always mom who ends up doing so much of the work.


> That sounds neat. I hope it comes to you guys!
> --
> Be well, Barbara

I might enquire about it.

[Sophie]

"Vicky Bilaniuk" > wrote in message
...
> Sophie wrote:
>
> > "Vicky Bilaniuk" > wrote in message
> >>I haven't updated my little site, yet. My family is getting annoyed,
> >>but I will try to do it soon. ;-)
> >
> >
> > The best time for me to do it is at night but I'm too tired to use my
brain
> > then - lol.
> >
> >
>
> I updated mine. http://individual.utoronto.ca/taz/max/Max.html
>
> The site is slow at the moment. Not sure why. It's normally blazing
fast.

Aww he's adorable. The one with him holding his big belly is cute :)

[Sophie]

> Totally agree.. DH is home now because they're leaving soon. They're not
> going to the middle east this time though, so I'm a little more nervous.
> Seems silly, huh?

Ohh can't work out where he'd be going - lol.

> That's nice of you. I feel bad because Emily couldn't do soccer this
year.
> There's just no way I could have wrangled all of the girls at the field
this
> time. Katie's at the horrible, I'm not going to listen to anyone stage
> where I spend 90% of my time chasing her and pinning her down. We had
lots
> of offers to help get Emily to and from practices, and if it weren't such
a
> big commitment, I would have taken them up. I just can't see having
someone
> help me 3-4 times a week for practices and games and stuff. I'd feel like
a
> mooch.

Here when you sign up for stuff like football, softball, soccer on base they
let you sign up by neighborhood, specifically to help with carpooling. I
think that's pretty neat. I've done carpooling before and it's a huge pain
when it's my turn obviously - lol.

> That's such a cool idea. If this were a bigger base I'd see if they could
> do something like that.
>
> Denise

I know, it would be neat, wouldn't it?

[Vicky Bilaniuk]

Joybelle wrote:
> "Vicky Bilaniuk" > wrote in message
>>I updated mine. http://individual.utoronto.ca/taz/max/Max.html
>>
>>The site is slow at the moment. Not sure why. It's normally blazing
>
> fast.
>
> He is such a doll, Vicky! I adore the pic of him with his hands on his
> tummy. Like my grandfather was after a satisfying meal. :) Max looked
> adorable and so pleased.

Thanks! He's our little cutie pie. I can't remember, but I think he
had just eaten before I took that picture.

[Vicky Bilaniuk]

Sophie wrote:

> "Vicky Bilaniuk" > wrote in message
>>I updated mine. http://individual.utoronto.ca/taz/max/Max.html
>>
>>The site is slow at the moment. Not sure why. It's normally blazing
>
> fast.
>
> Aww he's adorable. The one with him holding his big belly is cute :)
>
>

He was just about to start meditating. ;-) Sometimes he gets into this
funny little pose where he really looks like he's meditating.

[Larry McMahan]

Vicky Bilaniuk > writes:

: Actually, I'm kind of curious. When did people here notice their babies
: sleeping longer night hours? Max is just over 3 weeks old, now.

You want a PATTERN. How crazy are you??!!? :-)

If either one of them either slept all night or woke up 6 times,
it never lasted more than a night or two!

Larry

[ModernMiko]

"Larry McMahan" > wrote in message
...
> Vicky Bilaniuk > writes:
>
> : Actually, I'm kind of curious. When did people here notice their babies
> : sleeping longer night hours? Max is just over 3 weeks old, now.
>
> You want a PATTERN. How crazy are you??!!? :-)
>
> If either one of them either slept all night or woke up 6 times,
> it never lasted more than a night or two!
>
> Larry

DS#1 started sleeping through the night for about a 7 hr stretch at 4.5
weeks. We moved 1/2 way across the country when he was 6 weeks so his
newly-found schedule went haywire for a couple of weeks but by 9 weeks he
was back to the 7 hr stretch on a regular basis except for when teething or
every three-four months for 2-4 nights when I think he was going through a
growth spurt.

--
JennL
DS 06/26/98
1 tiny angel 11/03
EDD December 4 2004

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