Vaccinations?

[emilymr]

We're coming up on Micah's 2 month checkup (!! I can't believe it... he's
huge and looks so different from when he was born... sob) I know that
this is when the vaccinations typically begin, but I'd like to know some
of the pros and cons, both of vaccinations themselves and of starting them
so young. Can anyone give me any info, or direct me to a *good* website?


We've already decided not to give him the hepatitis or chicken pox
vaccines. I've heard horror stories about the bundled vaccinations
(seizures, etc.) but that's just anecdotal evidence. Thanks!!

Em
mama to Micah, 11/14/04

[Ericka Kammerer]

emilymr wrote:

> We're coming up on Micah's 2 month checkup (!! I can't believe it... he's
> huge and looks so different from when he was born... sob) I know that
> this is when the vaccinations typically begin, but I'd like to know some
> of the pros and cons, both of vaccinations themselves and of starting them
> so young. Can anyone give me any info, or direct me to a *good* website?
>
>
> We've already decided not to give him the hepatitis or chicken pox
> vaccines. I've heard horror stories about the bundled vaccinations
> (seizures, etc.) but that's just anecdotal evidence. Thanks!!

There's a wealth of information out there, but little of
it completely unbiased. Personally, after pretty extensive reading
I felt completely comfortable vaccinating at 2 months and thereafter
on the usual schedule. I've not seen anything I believed to be
credible suggesting that the combined vaccines that are typical
in my neck of the woods were a problem. I have seen studies
suggesting that babies who are vaccinated by 2 months have
less asthma (going along with the theory that early exercise
of the immune system helps the immune system develop properly).
The CDC website is one starting point. You can look up lots
of information on PubMed. Ask your ped what vaccines they
use (brand names) and you can likely look up the package
insert information before you go. FWIW, we've never had a
bad vaccine reaction.

Best wishes,
Ericka

[Todd Gastaldo]

Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD recommends NO vaccines till age 2...


Don also says: "mothers should breast-feed their child for as long as
possible - a year or more."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller15.html

Breastfeeding mothers, of course, administer the vast majority of
immunizations their babies will receive and these breastfeeding
immunizations reportedly make MD-needle-vaccinations work better.

Again, Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD recommends NO vaccines till age 2..

Todd

"Ericka Kammerer" > wrote in message
...
> emilymr wrote:
>
>> We're coming up on Micah's 2 month checkup (!! I can't believe it... he's
>> huge and looks so different from when he was born... sob) I know that
>> this is when the vaccinations typically begin, but I'd like to know some
>> of the pros and cons, both of vaccinations themselves and of starting
>> them
>> so young. Can anyone give me any info, or direct me to a *good* website?
>> We've already decided not to give him the hepatitis or chicken pox
>> vaccines. I've heard horror stories about the bundled vaccinations
>> (seizures, etc.) but that's just anecdotal evidence. Thanks!!
>
> There's a wealth of information out there, but little of
> it completely unbiased. Personally, after pretty extensive reading
> I felt completely comfortable vaccinating at 2 months and thereafter
> on the usual schedule. I've not seen anything I believed to be
> credible suggesting that the combined vaccines that are typical
> in my neck of the woods were a problem. I have seen studies
> suggesting that babies who are vaccinated by 2 months have
> less asthma (going along with the theory that early exercise
> of the immune system helps the immune system develop properly).
> The CDC website is one starting point. You can look up lots
> of information on PubMed. Ask your ped what vaccines they
> use (brand names) and you can likely look up the package
> insert information before you go. FWIW, we've never had a
> bad vaccine reaction.
>
> Best wishes,
> Ericka
>

[emilymr]

Yes, please! His apt is Mon, with a new ped (anyone have experience
w/Kwiser? we just switched), and I want to be as informed as possible.

Em
mama to Micah, 11/14/04

[emilymr]

I have a good friend who's anti-vaccine, but frankly, after Jenrose"s
little pertussis incident, I'm not willing to risk total unvaccination.

Em
mama to Micah, 11/14/04

[Beach Mum]

We've done all of the recommended vaccines at the time that our ped
recommended them (no more than two per visit) and only had one small
reaction (a mild fever the next day) to one of the chicken pox vaccines.

Anneccdotally, a friend's child who did get chicken pox, even after being
vaccinated, had all of four pox and was barely ill. Her friend, who had
given it to her but had not been vaccinated, was sick as a dog and was
covered with pox.

--
Melissa (in Los Angeles)
Mum to Elizabeth 4/13/03
and one due early 3/05

"emilymr" <emily@xxxxxx> wrote in message
lkaboutparenting.com...
> We're coming up on Micah's 2 month checkup (!! I can't believe it... he's
> huge and looks so different from when he was born... sob) I know that
> this is when the vaccinations typically begin, but I'd like to know some
> of the pros and cons, both of vaccinations themselves and of starting them
> so young. Can anyone give me any info, or direct me to a *good* website?
>
>
> We've already decided not to give him the hepatitis or chicken pox
> vaccines. I've heard horror stories about the bundled vaccinations
> (seizures, etc.) but that's just anecdotal evidence. Thanks!!
>
> Em
> mama to Micah, 11/14/04
>
>

[Todd Gastaldo]

PERTUSSIS VACCINATION

See below...

First this...

NOT ANTI-VACCINE

"emilymr" <emily@xxxxxx> wrote in message
lkaboutparenting.com...
>I have a good friend who's anti-vaccine, but frankly, after Jenrose"s
> little pertussis incident, I'm not willing to risk total unvaccination.
>

Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD - the MD I quoted - is not anti-vaccine (nor am
I).

Dr. Miller recommends no vaccines **till age 2**
http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller15.html

Todd

PS Of course Emilymr, inform yourself as well as you can before deciding
whether or not to vaccinate.

Regarding pertussis, some might be interested in this excerpt from a letter
I wrote back in 1996 to vaccination expert James D. Cherry, M.D., M.Sc.
after talking with him on the telephone...

EXCERPT...
"Assuming that you and Dr. Scheibner agree that Japanese children
still die of SIDS, if the Japanese SIDS death rate 'sharply
increased' after the Japanese lowered the age of pertussis
vaccination to age 3 [months] (sometime prior to the November 1990
acceptance date of your 1991 AJDC paper), it would seem
plausible, as Dr. Scheibner avers, that the acellular pertussis
vaccine causes SIDS."


Dr. Viera Scheibner is an Australian
scientist who MD-needle-vaccinators seem to be afraid of...

Dr. Scheibner was accepted
as a vaccination expert by the Quebec College of Physicians. See below.

Here's the full letter...

March 15, 1996


James D. Cherry, M.D., M.Sc.
MDCC Rm 22-442
10833 Le Conte Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90095-1752
(310) 825-5226


Dear Dr. Cherry,


Thank you for returning my call today.


You commented that 'the Institute of Medicine was wrong' to
state that 'evidence is consistent with a causal relation
between DPT vaccine and acute encephalopathy. (After I read you
this IOM statement from Dr. Viera Scheibnerâ?Ts book Vaccination
[1993], you said of Dr. Scheibnerâ?Ts book, 'I think Iâ?Tve seen
it.')


You stated that the IOM mistakenly considered post-vaccinal
febrile convulsions as encephalopathies and that there is NO
[your emphasis] evidence that pertussis vaccine causes brain
damage. When I asked you to publicly correct the IOM (and Dr.
Viera Scheibner) on this point, you said it would not be 'worth
the effort' - because the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP)
had just 'corrected the IOMâ?Ts mistake' in a review published in
February 1996. (Actually the AAP just agreed - almost word for
word - with the IOM 'mistake' I read to you over the telephone.
The AAP appears to be playing acute vs. chronic brain damage
games. See postscript.)


When I suggested that you might use the AAPâ?Ts 1996 review to
formally debate Dr. Viera Scheibner when she comes to Los
Angeles the week of April 29, you said that it has been your
experience that if those who question vaccination are simply
ignored, 'the press stops covering them.' (You mentioned a man
from 'up north,' Kevin Garrity (sp), who had ostensibly been
effectively dealt with using this strategy of silence.)


Fortunately, the Canadian press is not ignoring the vaccination
debate. I invite your attention to the December 16, 1995 Globe
and Mail (Quebec) which reported that Dr. Scheibner was accepted
as a vaccination expert by the Quebec College of Physicians in
its investigation of Gylaine Lanctôt, M.D. following publication
of Lanctôt's controversial book The Medical Mafia. [McFarlane P.
A renegade doctor adds fuel to the childhood-vaccination row.
(Dec16)1995]


McFarlane wrote in The Globe and Mail: 'the questions Dr.
Lanctôt raises over childhood vaccinations have been part of a
more mainstream medical debate that is only now coming into the
open in Canada.' [Emphasis added]


After Dr. Scheibner testified at Dr. Lanctôtâ?Ts hearing, Dr.
Victor Marchessault, vice-president of the Canadian Pediatric
Society, told the Globe and Mail that he hadnâ?Tt seen Dr.
Scheibner's research on SIDS - but assured the newspaper that
"his sources tell him it is 'not based on science...'"


A side bar to the same Globe and Mail article notes that a group
of 180 Swiss doctors oppose mass compulsory measles, mumps and
rubella vaccination (MMR) because, they say, natural infections
with these diseases help the immune system mature; and because,
even with a 95% immunization rate in the U.S., they say, measles
epidemics are increasing - with increasing severity of measles
cases. (The 1996 Report of the U.S. Preventive Services Task
Force, Guide to Clinical Preventive Services, does not mention
increasing severity of measles, but does state that 'because of
immunization failures, a two-dose vaccination protocol...appears
necessary.')


In regard to your rather intemperate claim that it was [male
bovine excrement] for you to have claimed that SIDS
'disappeared' in Japan; it is a fact that you wrote in 1988 that
"The category 'sudden death' is also instructive in that the
entity disappeared following both whole-cell and acellular
vaccines, when immunization was delayed until a child was 24
months of age." [Pediatrics (Suppl) Jun 1988]


You said that 'Japanese secrecy' about SIDS rates made it
impossible for you to ascertain what happened to the Japanese
SIDS rate under 24 months when pertussis immunization was
delayed until age 24 months. If you experienced 'Japanese
secrecy,' then you should have said so in your 1988 report.
That would have been instructive.


When I telephoned Dr. Scheibner regarding your SIDS
'disappeared' statement, she responded by faxing page one of the
Kimura...Cherry 1991 paper supporting the Japanese decision to
lower the age of pertussis immunization from 24 months back to


age 3 months. [Kimura...Cherry. AJDC (Jul)1991;145:734-41;accepted for
publication November 1990]

Dr. Scheibner also faxed a copy of Yomiruri Shimbunâ?Ts 5/13/94
article 'SIDS cases quadruple in last 13 years' from the Daily
Yomiuki (date and newspaper title partially obscured due to poor
fax transmission). This article, from a newspaper for Japanese
living in Australia, tells of a SIDS report released by a
Japanese Health and Welfare Ministry study group led by
Professor Hiroshi Nishida of Tokyo Womenâ?Ts Medical College.
According to the report, the SIDS death rate among babies aged
under 1 year old had sharply increased to 0.33 percent in 1992,
from 0.07 in 1980; with the Japanese SIDS rate still only about
one tenth that of the United States and European countries.


Thus there is evidence that it was indeed [male bovine
excrement] for you to have stated that the sudden death
'disappeared' in Japan when vaccination was moved to age 24
months. (Perhaps you were just stating that SIDS always occurs
under age 24 months; and that this category of death therefore
disappeared in vaccinees when vaccination was moved to 24
months. But why was this 'instructive?' As noted above, it
would have been far more instructive for you either to have
reported the SIDS rate under 24 months - or to have reported
your present claim that 'Japanese secrecy' deprived you of this
data.)


Assuming that you and Dr. Scheibner agree that Japanese children
still die of SIDS, if the Japanese SIDS death rate 'sharply
increased' after the Japanese lowered the age of pertussis
vaccination to age 3 [months] (sometime prior to the November 1990
acceptance date of your 1991 AJDC paper), it would seem
plausible, as Dr. Scheibner avers, that the acellular pertussis
vaccine causes SIDS.


In regard to the possibility that both whole cell and acellular
pertussis vaccines can kill, Dr. Scheibner [1993] quotes
Professor Hans Wigzell, head of the National Bacteriology
Laboratory in Sweden: 'The National Bacteriological Laboratory
now withdraws the application for licensing of a Japanese
pertussis vaccine...The uncertainty about a possible association
with deaths due to serious bacterial infections, which occurred
among vaccinated children, has also contributed to the
recommendation made by the Division of Drugs of comparative
trials between acellular pertussis vaccines and well-known whole-
cell vaccines.' [Wigzell quoted in Scheibner, 1993, from Licence
application for pertussis vaccine withdrawn in Sweden. The
Lancet (14Jan)1989:114]


Dr. Scheibner [1993] writes that, after the Swedes publicly
withdrew their application for the acellular pertussis vaccine,
the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) wrote in 1992 that the
Swedes had applied to license the acellular vaccine - but failed
to note (that is, the AAP failed to note): 1) that the Swedes
had withdrawn their application; and 2) that the Swedes had not
resumed pertussis vaccination.


If the AAP omitted key information in mentioning the Swedish
licensure application; can you see why I am not reassured by
your statement that the AAP 'corrected the IOMâ?Ts mistake?'


I think it would be a mistake for you to ignore Dr. Scheibner
when she comes to Los Angeles. If she is right about pertussis
vaccination causing SIDS - and you are wrong - ultimately, you
may be seen as having been criminally negligent for withholding
your participation in order to keep the press from telling
parents about the dangers of pertussis vaccine.


Kind regards,


Todd D. Gastaldo, D.C.


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