Todd Gastaldo
March 7th 05, 04:05 PM
DAGNY'S BRAVERY
....and Anne's post - they've opened a new vista!
See the very end of this post...
"MAD WOMAN" - LOL!
"Anne Rogers" > wrote in message
...
>
>>
>> PS Dagny had no professional attendant at her birth - no midwife - no
>> OB -
>> "just" her mom.
>
> yeah I know, I don't think my mum would quite be up for that, but then it
> is
> her who is encouraging me to go and stay with her from when I am 37+5 for
> about a week, when DS came at 37+4, if I did go into labour then, I doubt
> I'd get a midwife by the time the baby arrived which I pointed out and she
> didn't seem bothered. Mad woman! I am not going to stay with her then,
> particularly not without my DH, her idea was Dad and DH did some male
> bonding (=decorating).
>
Anne,
"Mad woman" - LOL!
After reading of your mum's keen interest in birth (your previous post), it
got me to thinking that maybe she is a midwife at heart.
It makes sense to me that some women (and some men I guess) are "called" to
be midwives.
No doubt every culture needs midwives and some women are naturally
inclined - or so I say.
I am not necessarily talking about the "processed" nurse-type midwives that
our culture is currently cranking out thanks in large part to the corrupt
influence of medical "science."
Rather, I am talking about women who just seem to have a natural knack for
assisting women in birth.
Todd
PS TODD'S BIRTH EXPERIENCE
Years ago, the mother of my eldest children - over my objections - decided
to have me assist her second birth - with the assistance of our 2-year-old
daughter. Her first birth, two years previous, was also a homebirth - with
one of the last chiropractic obstetricians in attendance. I had just
graduated chiropractic college - and there were still chiropractic
obstetricians practicing - but I myself was NOT thinking myself a qualified
birth attendant . The mother of my eldest children was really thinking
UNASSISTED birth - sort of like Dagny's birth. I think she read about the
concept of unassisted birth in Susan Arms' Immaculate Deception. I was
quite nervous. First of all, this was BIRTH - I had only been present at
one other birth; and second, the notion of whether doctors of chiropractic
could attend births was then a legal grey area. After the birth, the mother
of my newborn son told me she had left a note on top of the refrigerator
saying it was all her idea - just in case...
Dr. DD Palmer, the Founder of chiropractic wrote:
"Obstetrics is the art of midwifery...Mothers and their babes are liable to
be injured at childbirth...If the accoucheur is a Chiropractor, he can
adjust such, thereby preventing disease." [1910:789]
No - I don't think California DCs - or DCs anywhere else need to start
attending births again - there are plenty of homebirth midwives for that....
But there IS plenty of disease to prevent!
Although some California doctors of chiropractic attended homebirths for
many years, Attorney Michael Schroeder's Rule 302 put an end to chiropractic
obstetrics in California - explicitly making it illegal for California
doctors of chiropractic to so much as sever the umbilical cord. Because of
this latter explicit umbilical-cord-severing prohibition, it is my
suspicion that Rule 302 was ENGINEERED into existence - to get doctors of
chiropractic out of birth because medical doctors were about to begin
routinely committing the obvious felony of immediately clamping/immediately
cutting umbilical cords, thereby temporarily asphyxiating babies and robbing
massive amounts of blood from them. The fewer legal birth attendants around
available AND QUALIFIED TO TESTIFTY IN COURT to protest this bizarre medical
behavior the better - from organized medicine's perspective - hence Attorney
Michael Schroeder's Rule 302.
Incidentally, at about the time Attorney Michael Schroeder's Rule 302 was,
in effect, being judicially-rubberstamped by 10-MD-obstetricians, a man
calling himself Michael Schroeder, attorney for the California Board of
Chiropractic Examiners told me it was outside my scope of practice to inform
pregnant women that OBs are closing birth canals up to 30%.
MD-obstetricians in California can close birth canals up to 30% and
gruesomely (sometimes fatally) manipulate babies' spines and immediately
clamp umbilical cords/temporarily asphyxiate/rob babies of up to 50% of
their blood volume - and California DCs can't even sever umbilical cords
anymore?
Something is very wrong with this picture.
Again I say - No - I don't think California DCs - or DCs anywhere else need
to start attending births again - there are plenty of homebirth midwives for
that....
HEY! Something I hadn't thought of before just occurred to me!
I'll be working in a new direction I think!
Very excited!
Dagny's bravery - and Anne's post - have just opened a new vista!
(Actually, it's an old vista - now seen again with a new perspective...)
In Oregon, pregnancy and birth are NOT "medical conditions" (in California
they are)...
Also, in Oregon the direct entry midwifery law USED to (may still)
explicitly state that a midwifery license is NOT REQUIRED.
No - I'm not going to be attending births - LOL!
But I've been missing a beat or two.
Birth-wise, California is oppressive; Oregon is not...
Also, I had completely forgotten (till now) an important aspect of my own
birth experience - such as it was (see above)...
Again...DAGNY'S BRAVERY (no OB, no midwife - "just" her mom)...
....and Anne's post - they've opened a new vista!
Thanks Dagny and Anne!
Todd
PS Dagny and Anne's experiences are "just" proximate causes, of course.
EVERYONE HERE - from friendly-friendlies to enemy-friendlies (sometimes
enemies are QUITE friendly in that they will deign to point out what friends
will not) - EVERYONE has helped me grow. I have GOT to mention here some
precious things to me: Daye publicly defending me as a "Champion" (I hope
she does not regret doing that now) - and some of the ladies mentioning me
in their birth stories and mentioning the "extra" up to 30% in discussing
birth - these were/are indeed precious things to me. Thanks. Until OBs and
midwives stop closing birth canals, it is SO important for women to be
discussing the subject. A new vista opened today - or re-opened. I need to
think outside the box called California. We're not in California anymore,
Toto!
....and Anne's post - they've opened a new vista!
See the very end of this post...
"MAD WOMAN" - LOL!
"Anne Rogers" > wrote in message
...
>
>>
>> PS Dagny had no professional attendant at her birth - no midwife - no
>> OB -
>> "just" her mom.
>
> yeah I know, I don't think my mum would quite be up for that, but then it
> is
> her who is encouraging me to go and stay with her from when I am 37+5 for
> about a week, when DS came at 37+4, if I did go into labour then, I doubt
> I'd get a midwife by the time the baby arrived which I pointed out and she
> didn't seem bothered. Mad woman! I am not going to stay with her then,
> particularly not without my DH, her idea was Dad and DH did some male
> bonding (=decorating).
>
Anne,
"Mad woman" - LOL!
After reading of your mum's keen interest in birth (your previous post), it
got me to thinking that maybe she is a midwife at heart.
It makes sense to me that some women (and some men I guess) are "called" to
be midwives.
No doubt every culture needs midwives and some women are naturally
inclined - or so I say.
I am not necessarily talking about the "processed" nurse-type midwives that
our culture is currently cranking out thanks in large part to the corrupt
influence of medical "science."
Rather, I am talking about women who just seem to have a natural knack for
assisting women in birth.
Todd
PS TODD'S BIRTH EXPERIENCE
Years ago, the mother of my eldest children - over my objections - decided
to have me assist her second birth - with the assistance of our 2-year-old
daughter. Her first birth, two years previous, was also a homebirth - with
one of the last chiropractic obstetricians in attendance. I had just
graduated chiropractic college - and there were still chiropractic
obstetricians practicing - but I myself was NOT thinking myself a qualified
birth attendant . The mother of my eldest children was really thinking
UNASSISTED birth - sort of like Dagny's birth. I think she read about the
concept of unassisted birth in Susan Arms' Immaculate Deception. I was
quite nervous. First of all, this was BIRTH - I had only been present at
one other birth; and second, the notion of whether doctors of chiropractic
could attend births was then a legal grey area. After the birth, the mother
of my newborn son told me she had left a note on top of the refrigerator
saying it was all her idea - just in case...
Dr. DD Palmer, the Founder of chiropractic wrote:
"Obstetrics is the art of midwifery...Mothers and their babes are liable to
be injured at childbirth...If the accoucheur is a Chiropractor, he can
adjust such, thereby preventing disease." [1910:789]
No - I don't think California DCs - or DCs anywhere else need to start
attending births again - there are plenty of homebirth midwives for that....
But there IS plenty of disease to prevent!
Although some California doctors of chiropractic attended homebirths for
many years, Attorney Michael Schroeder's Rule 302 put an end to chiropractic
obstetrics in California - explicitly making it illegal for California
doctors of chiropractic to so much as sever the umbilical cord. Because of
this latter explicit umbilical-cord-severing prohibition, it is my
suspicion that Rule 302 was ENGINEERED into existence - to get doctors of
chiropractic out of birth because medical doctors were about to begin
routinely committing the obvious felony of immediately clamping/immediately
cutting umbilical cords, thereby temporarily asphyxiating babies and robbing
massive amounts of blood from them. The fewer legal birth attendants around
available AND QUALIFIED TO TESTIFTY IN COURT to protest this bizarre medical
behavior the better - from organized medicine's perspective - hence Attorney
Michael Schroeder's Rule 302.
Incidentally, at about the time Attorney Michael Schroeder's Rule 302 was,
in effect, being judicially-rubberstamped by 10-MD-obstetricians, a man
calling himself Michael Schroeder, attorney for the California Board of
Chiropractic Examiners told me it was outside my scope of practice to inform
pregnant women that OBs are closing birth canals up to 30%.
MD-obstetricians in California can close birth canals up to 30% and
gruesomely (sometimes fatally) manipulate babies' spines and immediately
clamp umbilical cords/temporarily asphyxiate/rob babies of up to 50% of
their blood volume - and California DCs can't even sever umbilical cords
anymore?
Something is very wrong with this picture.
Again I say - No - I don't think California DCs - or DCs anywhere else need
to start attending births again - there are plenty of homebirth midwives for
that....
HEY! Something I hadn't thought of before just occurred to me!
I'll be working in a new direction I think!
Very excited!
Dagny's bravery - and Anne's post - have just opened a new vista!
(Actually, it's an old vista - now seen again with a new perspective...)
In Oregon, pregnancy and birth are NOT "medical conditions" (in California
they are)...
Also, in Oregon the direct entry midwifery law USED to (may still)
explicitly state that a midwifery license is NOT REQUIRED.
No - I'm not going to be attending births - LOL!
But I've been missing a beat or two.
Birth-wise, California is oppressive; Oregon is not...
Also, I had completely forgotten (till now) an important aspect of my own
birth experience - such as it was (see above)...
Again...DAGNY'S BRAVERY (no OB, no midwife - "just" her mom)...
....and Anne's post - they've opened a new vista!
Thanks Dagny and Anne!
Todd
PS Dagny and Anne's experiences are "just" proximate causes, of course.
EVERYONE HERE - from friendly-friendlies to enemy-friendlies (sometimes
enemies are QUITE friendly in that they will deign to point out what friends
will not) - EVERYONE has helped me grow. I have GOT to mention here some
precious things to me: Daye publicly defending me as a "Champion" (I hope
she does not regret doing that now) - and some of the ladies mentioning me
in their birth stories and mentioning the "extra" up to 30% in discussing
birth - these were/are indeed precious things to me. Thanks. Until OBs and
midwives stop closing birth canals, it is SO important for women to be
discussing the subject. A new vista opened today - or re-opened. I need to
think outside the box called California. We're not in California anymore,
Toto!