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Daye
March 14th 05, 07:13 AM
This was in the local newspaper about an adoption gone wrong. It is
disgusting to say the least:

Source:
<http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,12535348%255E2862,00.html>

Couple conned in internet baby deal
Shelley Hodgson and Nick Papps in Los Angeles
14mar05

A MELBOURNE woman has been caught in an international baby scam on the
internet.

Allyson Ball-Rizvi and Arshad Rizvi were expecting a newborn girl this
week after promises from a Californian woman.

But the devastated Melbourne couple discovered a week ago that the
child, born in late February, was a surrogate always intended for a
United States couple.

Becky Limbrick, of California, claimed she was helping them adopt from
a pregnant woman in Alabama. But Ms Ball-Rizvi believes she has been
duped.

The Reservoir couple were supposed to hand over $US4500 and have
already paid $1600 for bills and an airfare for Ms Limbrick's husband
to collect the baby.

They had already named the child Brianna Amisha and had bought
clothes, a cot, bouncer, bassinet, a pram, bottles and nappies.

"This is just so sick," Ms Ball-Rizvi said.

"There's people out there that see someone's this desperate and they
think, 'I can sucker someone'."

Ms Ball-Rizvi began speaking to Ms Limbrick through Surrogate Mothers
Online about a year ago.

Last month, Ms Limbrick told Ms Ball-Rizvi that she could help her
adopt a baby for US$4500 ($5700).

The adoption would be illegitimate under Victorian law, but Ms
Ball-Rizvi said she was unaware of this.

Ms Limbrick told her to come up with a name for the birth certificate
and she would get adoption paperwork drawn up.

In ensuing weeks, arrangements were made for Ms Limbrick's husband,
Leon, to fly from California to Alabama to collect "Brianna".

Ms Limbrick sent Ms Ball-Rizvi photos of the pregnant woman's stomach,
an ultrasound photo marked with the name Catherine Bell and a photo of
the pregnant woman and her young son.

s Ball-Rizvi transferred $1270 to Ms Limbrick and paid for Mr
Limbrick's airfare to Alabama to pick up Brianna on March 4, when Ms
Bell was to be induced. Ms Limbrick claimed she met other costs,
including paying Ms Bell's bills and birth expenses and the fare to
Australia.

Ms Ball-Rizvi was to give Mr Limbrick a further $3500 when he arrived
in Australia and the rest on a payment plan. "I thought it was a
miracle come true," she said.

But on March 5, Ms Ball-Rizvi received an email from Ms Limbrick
saying her husband was at the hospital and could not find "Cat".

The Brookwood Medical Inn in Alabama confirmed that a Leon Limbrick
stayed on March 4.

The scam was uncovered when Ms Ball-Rizvi forwarded the ultrasound
photograph to a woman she met on Surrogate Mothers Online.

Ms Bell's ultrasound picture and other photographs of her had been
posted on the internet, and her pregnancy and surrogacy agreement with
another couple was on the message board.

Ms Bell believes her identity and photos were stolen and used to lure
Ms Ball-Rizvi.

"I have been online for almost two years now and been very open about
everything and that was a big mistake," Ms Bell said. "I have never
been shy about putting any of my information out there."

Ms Bell said the first she heard of Ms Ball-Rizvi and the adoption
plan was on the internet a week ago.

"I thoroughly believe that she has been scammed," Ms Bell said.

"It's really sad."

"There's been a lot of holes in her (Ms Limbrick's) story and she
changes her story a lot."

Ms Limbrick forwarded an email from a Tracey Blackburn to Australia,
with an ultrasound photograph attached.

It listed Ms Bell's expenses to be paid. Two of the bills are on Ms
Bell's online billpay.

Ms Limbrick has repeatedly claimed that she has done nothing wrong.

Under the username "sydnee", Ms Limbrick has posted a message on SMO
warning other parents to beware of Catherine Bell: "This baby was
promised to my family and only this weekend we found out that there
was no baby . . . after staying at the hospital through the weekend
waiting for our daughter to be born."

Ms Limbrick told the Herald Sun she had not ripped off Ms Ball-Rizvi.

The 32-year-old from Murrieta, southeast of Los Angeles, said she too
was a victim of "Cat".

"She (Ms Ball-Rizvi) is blaming the wrong person," Ms Limbrick said.

"I didn't do anything wrong."

Ms Limbrick said she had planned to adopt a child from Ms Bell, but
found a baby earlier. She then helped Ms Ball-Rizvi to adopt Ms Bell's
baby.

"We are not adoption facilitators," she said. "We were just trying to
help a friend."

Ms Limbrick said she and her husband were owed some $6300 by Ms
Ball-Rizvi.

She admitted Ms Ball-Rizvi sent US$900 to her, but said when the baby
did not materialise, she offered to repay it. "She said, 'You keep
it," Ms Limbrick said.


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Jamie Clark
March 14th 05, 09:27 PM
Who knows what actually happened in this situation. I have a hard time
sympathizing with prospective adoptive parents who don't educate themselves
about the law, and use reputable lawyers or agencies. Even if this baby had
materialized, according to this article, the adoption would have been
illegal in their area. The article is very poorly written (very
sensationalized) and it's hard to tell who scammed who -- did the
"facilitator" steal the identity of the surrogate and "sell" her baby
without her knowledge, or did the surrogate scam both the "facilitator" and
the couple. Who knows. Obviously, in the end, the prospective adoptive
parents lost out, and I'm sorry for that. You do have to be very careful in
the world of adoption -- there are so many scammers out there, looking for
suckers. It's hard not to become one.
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"Daye" > wrote in message
...
> This was in the local newspaper about an adoption gone wrong. It is
> disgusting to say the least:
>
> Source:
> <http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,12535348%255E2862,00.html>
>

Daye
March 14th 05, 11:05 PM
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:27:50 -0800, "Jamie Clark"
> wrote:

>Who knows what actually happened in this situation.

Exactly. I saw a news report on TV about this then went to look up
the article for you guys. The TV report said that the "agency" stole
pics off of the birth mother's website. That is why I posted the
article. I know we share pics of our ultrasounds, etc. I also know
that most of us use a "secret" identity, but I wanted others to be
aware of it.

> I have a hard time
>sympathizing with prospective adoptive parents who don't educate themselves
>about the law, and use reputable lawyers or agencies. Even if this baby had
>materialized, according to this article, the adoption would have been
>illegal in their area.

I live in Victoria. Yep, it isn't legal. However, there are ways
around the law. I know of a couple of stories from here where woman
have used surrogates and got around the law. Basically, the woman
carries the baby, and the mother adopts the baby. So it has 2
mothers. The biological mother (because the woman gave birth to the
baby) and the mother who will raise the child.

>The article is very poorly written (very
>sensationalized) and it's hard to tell who scammed who -- did the
>"facilitator" steal the identity of the surrogate and "sell" her baby
>without her knowledge, or did the surrogate scam both the "facilitator" and
>the couple. Who knows.

I should have added a disclaimer about the "Herald Sun". It is a
somewhat reputable newspaper, but it isn't the most respected. "The
Age" is a better and more reputable newspaper. I should see if they
have an article about this as well.

>Obviously, in the end, the prospective adoptive
>parents lost out, and I'm sorry for that. You do have to be very careful in
>the world of adoption -- there are so many scammers out there, looking for
>suckers. It's hard not to become one.

I feel really sorry for the adoptive parents as well. When I saw her
on TV, you could see real pain in her eyes. It was really sad.

I agree that you have to be careful and do a lot of research before
going into the world of adoption. I know that not every case turns
out like this woman's story, but there are people who take will
advantage.

--
Daye
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Daye
March 14th 05, 11:25 PM
Follow up to the story yesterday. (Source:
<http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,12547219%255E2862,00.html>:

"Minister warns on internet adoption
Shelley Hodgson
15mar05

VICTORIANS have been warned against trying to make backdoor internet
adoption deals.

It comes after the Herald Sun revealed an international baby fraud in
which a Reservoir couple lost $1600.

Allyson Ball-Rizvi claimed she and husband Arshad Rizvi were supposed
to have a baby girl brought out from the US for them this week after
making an agreement on the internet.

But the deal fell through when the baby was exposed as a surrogate who
was always intended for a US family.

A Californian woman caught up in the fraud claimed yesterday she had
made a report to police against the Alabama mother.

Women's Affairs Minister Mary Delahunty criticised paying for babies.

"Children are terribly precious and they are not a commodity," she
said.

Ms Ball-Rizvi warned people to be wary of internet frauds.

"They just need to be careful," she said.

"Unfortunately we are very vulnerable and we believe anyone because we
want to have a child."

It is illegal to make a private adoption agreement in Victoria.

In Australia, overseas adoption programs are the responsibility of
state welfare departments, such as the Department of Human Services in
Victoria.

Victoria Police said that without knowing the specifics of this case
it was difficult to speculate on whether an offence had been
committed.

Australian InterCountry Adoption Network national co-ordinator Ricky
Brisson told people to avoid internet adoptions.

"It's a waste of time, waste of money, waste of emotional resources,"
Ms Brisson said.

"It's not physically possible to bring a child into Australia under
such circumstances. It's really sad that somebody has gone down that
track.

"If she (Ms Ball-Rizvi) would have made inquiries with the right
authorities she would have known you can't do that."

Department of Human Services spokesman Steve Pivetta urged people
considering adoption to seek legal advice.

Californian woman Becky Limbrick has claimed she tried to help Ms
Ball-Rizvi adopt a child from Alabama woman Catherine Bell.

Ms Ball-Rizvi sent Ms Limbrick $1270 to pay for Ms Bell's bills and
medical expenses, awaiting the girl's delivery.

Just over a week ago she discovered the girl was born in late February
and had gone to another family.

Ms Limbrick claims Ms Bell defrauded her.

But Ms Bell claims her identity was stolen on the internet."

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