[META] Google goofiness

[Bev Brandt]

I know, I know. I should just get a real newsreader.

Anyway, I've noticed that us Googlers can't see our own posts
through...well...Google. There is a thread out there that was started
by a Googler and I can't see the original, plus I've posted myself,
had the post accepted and I can't see the post. I've also had others
respond to my unseen posts.

In my case at least, I've not used x-no-archive. Likely Google has
changed something - again. *sigh* Even though I post only about once
every couple of months, I'd like to be able to see myself. Can the
moderators do anything about this or is there something I can change?
Any input would be helpful.

Thanks!

- Bev - a Usenet vampire, unable to see her reflection

[Penny Gaines]

Bev Brandt wrote in >:

> I know, I know. I should just get a real newsreader.
>
> Anyway, I've noticed that us Googlers can't see our own posts
> through...well...Google. There is a thread out there that was started
> by a Googler and I can't see the original, plus I've posted myself,
> had the post accepted and I can't see the post. I've also had others
> respond to my unseen posts.

If it reassures you at all, I couldn't find the message I'm replying to
in google either, even when I used the exact message-ID. The same
happened when I used other recent messages posted through google, from
other people.

I could display messages from last August.

--
Penny Gaines
UK mum to three

[just me]

"Bev Brandt" > wrote in message
om...
> I know, I know. I should just get a real newsreader.
>
> Anyway, I've noticed that us Googlers can't see our own posts
> through...well...Google. There is a thread out there that was started
> by a Googler and I can't see the original, plus I've posted myself,
> had the post accepted and I can't see the post. I've also had others
> respond to my unseen posts.
>
> In my case at least, I've not used x-no-archive. Likely Google has
> changed something - again. *sigh* Even though I post only about once
> every couple of months, I'd like to be able to see myself. Can the
> moderators do anything about this or is there something I can change?
> Any input would be helpful.
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Bev - a Usenet vampire, unable to see her reflection


Oh no! I can see you, but it is awfully frustrating when you can't see some
of us! I don't have any suggestions for you other than the free german
server, but that may not work for your situation. Hang in there, someone
else is bound to have a suggestion.

-Aula, not googling
--
see my creative works on ebay under http://snurl.com/369o
and on zazzle at http://snurl.com/38oh

[Nick Theodorakis]

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:38:48 EST, (Bev Brandt)
wrote:

>I know, I know. I should just get a real newsreader.
>
>Anyway, I've noticed that us Googlers can't see our own posts
>through...well...Google. There is a thread out there that was started
>by a Googler and I can't see the original, plus I've posted myself,
>had the post accepted and I can't see the post. I've also had others
>respond to my unseen posts.

Crikey, you're right. I just looked at this ng through google and I
don't see your post, either.

FWIW, I also checked on another (unmoderated) ng and I found a
google-post there was visible on google. So maybe it's problem with
this ng, or moderated ngs in general.

Nick

--
Nick Theodorakis

nicholas_theodorakis [at] urmc [dot] rochester [dot] edu

[Bev Brandt]

(Nick Theodorakis) wrote in message >...
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:38:48 EST, (Bev Brandt)
> wrote:
>
> >I know, I know. I should just get a real newsreader.
> >
> >Anyway, I've noticed that us Googlers can't see our own posts
> >through...well...Google. There is a thread out there that was started
> >by a Googler and I can't see the original, plus I've posted myself,
> >had the post accepted and I can't see the post. I've also had others
> >respond to my unseen posts.
>
> Crikey, you're right. I just looked at this ng through google and I
> don't see your post, either.
>
> FWIW, I also checked on another (unmoderated) ng and I found a
> google-post there was visible on google. So maybe it's problem with
> this ng, or moderated ngs in general.
>
> Nick

I can see myself just fine in misc.kids. So I think it's a moderation
thing, but quite likely more a combination of moderation and Google. I
don't know if anyone answers the phone at Google - so to speak - but
the moderation staff might want to look into this. Or not. Considering
it is just Google, it might not be worth it.

I'm vain, you know. I want to see my own work!

- Bev

[Irene]

Penny Gaines > wrote in message >...
> Bev Brandt wrote in >:
>
> > I know, I know. I should just get a real newsreader.
> >
> > Anyway, I've noticed that us Googlers can't see our own posts
> > through...well...Google. There is a thread out there that was started
> > by a Googler and I can't see the original, plus I've posted myself,
> > had the post accepted and I can't see the post. I've also had others
> > respond to my unseen posts.
>
> If it reassures you at all, I couldn't find the message I'm replying to
> in google either, even when I used the exact message-ID. The same
> happened when I used other recent messages posted through google, from
> other people.
>
This makes me feel better - I posted a couple of messages awhile ago,
never saw them, and just assumed that for some reason the moderators
nixed them! (I suppose I'll never see this one, either...)

Irene

[[email protected]]

Bev Brandt > wrote:

>> >Anyway, I've noticed that us Googlers can't see our own posts
>> >through...well...Google...
> I can see myself just fine in misc.kids. So I think it's a moderation
> thing, but quite likely more a combination of moderation and Google. I
> don't know if anyone answers the phone at Google - so to speak - but
> the moderation staff might want to look into this.

We had another poster some time ago who brought this to our attention --
and that person *works* at Google, and still couldn't find a fix. It
doesn't seem to be anything we're doing on our end.

I periodically have to post through Google when my own ISP goes flaky.
Because of the delay, though, I routinely *read* posts on a web-based
server (News2Web) that lets me see what's there (Google and all) even
though I can't post through it. So I can verify that you can see the
Google posts elsewhere. Just not at Google.

--Robin
a moderator, but speaking for myself

[Robyn Kozierok]

In article >,
Bev Brandt > wrote:
>
>I can see myself just fine in misc.kids. So I think it's a moderation
>thing, but quite likely more a combination of moderation and Google.

I think this is probably the case. But I don't think there's much
if anything that can be done about it.

One thing I have noticed is that the NNTP-Posting-Host header that
Google adds to provide a level of poster accountability gets
lost/removed/replaced when the post goes through the (our?) moderation
process, and it's possible that their software objects to this change
when it sees the post arrive to be archived/posted there. I suppose
that *if* this is the problem, there may be some way we can modify our
moderation software to avoid it.

--Robyn
A moderator, speculating for herself :)