Re: head is up, damnit

[Plissken]

"Lee" > wrote in message
...
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Do you have any prenatal yoga classes in your area? I know some people try
to turn the baby around with various yoga poses. Wouldn't hurt to talk to a
yoga instructor, but make sure they are informed about prenatal yoga and
what is safe and what is not.

Nadene

[Clare Elliott]

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:02:20 +1000, "Lee"
> wrote:

>Hiya
>
>Well I've just had my 34 week appointment and am disappointed to announce
>that junior, who has been heads down since week 28, has *now* decided to go
>breech.
>
>If junior doesn't get his/her act together in a fortnight, I've been
>informed I'll have to have a c-section. (Hospital policy for breech
>apparently. My GP also told me she doesn't know anyone who delivers breech
>nowadays because of health risks and legal liability issues) And while she
>said 'there is still room for the baby to move' it had that sort of tone of
>voice normally associated with 'well you *could* still win lotto...'
>On an unrelated note, there is a $19M lotto draw in a fortnight, so I bought
>a ticket today thinking, maybe it's fate! (wry grin)
>
If it's any help, I was in the exact same situation a few weeks back
at 34 weeks (and the hospital wouldn't consider a version due to a
previous c/s), and got the same reaction.

Kiddo decided to flip on the morning of my return visit to hospital at
37 (and a bit) weeks despite the lack of room. I did wonder what on
earth it was trying to do in there at the time, however - just
watching the antics from the outside was pretty amazing! Maybe I
should have bought a lottery ticket too...

Clare

[Stephanie S]

"Lee" > wrote in message
...
> Hiya
>
> Well I've just had my 34 week appointment and am disappointed to announce
> that junior, who has been heads down since week 28, has *now* decided to
go
> breech.
>
> If junior doesn't get his/her act together in a fortnight, I've been
> informed I'll have to have a c-section. (Hospital policy for breech
> apparently. My GP also told me she doesn't know anyone who delivers breech
> nowadays because of health risks and legal liability issues) And while she
> said 'there is still room for the baby to move' it had that sort of tone
of
> voice normally associated with 'well you *could* still win lotto...'
> On an unrelated note, there is a $19M lotto draw in a fortnight, so I
bought
> a ticket today thinking, maybe it's fate! (wry grin)
>
> Apparently I want to be on my hands and knees with my bum in the air a
lot,
> as this has been known to help... Well my mother is visiting from
interstate
> tomorrow, and I was thinking the bathroom floor was filthy, so I'm
guessing
> this a sign I should clean up! So now I have a clean bathroom, laundry,
> kitchen and dining floor and...
> (no, I don't do house calls...)
>
> Apart from the scrubbing floors, and the very attractive pose demonstrated
> by the physio, which involves me being on my hands and knees with my butt
in
> the air, doing a movement best described as something you'd expect to see
a
> constipated duck doing, does anyone have any suggestions about how to get
> the young one focussed on heads down?
>
> Vaguely depressed,
>
> Lee
>
>

Now, I may be terribly mistaken, but as far as I know, there is no
connection between the position of the baby now and later during delivery.
They can even turn on their own in labor AFAIK. Why worry about it? Do you
have a history of breech or something? And why does the baby have to turn
in 2 weeks? If you are 34 weeks now, in 2 weeks you will be 36. Doesn't
that give you 4+ more weeks to wait for onset of labor and turning and all
that?

Sorry if I missed some background I should know about.

Hope that junior turns for you. Have you considered asking him/her to do so?
I may be nuts, but when I ask my little one to stop kicking me in the ribs,
she usually does.


Stephanie

[Larry McMahan]

Lee > writes:
: Hiya

: Well I've just had my 34 week appointment and am disappointed to announce
: that junior, who has been heads down since week 28, has *now* decided to go
: breech.

: If junior doesn't get his/her act together in a fortnight, I've been
: informed I'll have to have a c-section. (Hospital policy for breech
: apparently. My GP also told me she doesn't know anyone who delivers breech
: nowadays because of health risks and legal liability issues) And while she
: said 'there is still room for the baby to move' it had that sort of tone of
: voice normally associated with 'well you *could* still win lotto...'
: On an unrelated note, there is a $19M lotto draw in a fortnight, so I bought
: a ticket today thinking, maybe it's fate! (wry grin)

: Apparently I want to be on my hands and knees with my bum in the air a lot,
: as this has been known to help... Well my mother is visiting from interstate
: tomorrow, and I was thinking the bathroom floor was filthy, so I'm guessing
: this a sign I should clean up! So now I have a clean bathroom, laundry,
: kitchen and dining floor and...
: (no, I don't do house calls...)

: Apart from the scrubbing floors, and the very attractive pose demonstrated
: by the physio, which involves me being on my hands and knees with my butt in
: the air, doing a movement best described as something you'd expect to see a
: constipated duck doing, does anyone have any suggestions about how to get
: the young one focussed on heads down?

: Vaguely depressed,

: Lee


The following worked for Monika to turn a transverse when she
was 34 weeks. You should drink a glass of orange juice just
before trying it.


Subject: Re: transverse/overdue/good grief, what next?!
Newsgroups: misc.kids.pregnancy
References: >
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I have a few suggestion for yoga postures to turn the baby.
The good news is that at two weeks overdue, you probably won't
have to do this too long!

There are two postures. The first is for turning a breech vertex.
It should also work for a transverse. However, it is difficult to
do, and should only be done until you have the baby turned. The
second is for turning posterior to anterior, and it quite a bit
easier. It should be done 2 to 3 times a day until you give birth.
(It's a lot like the spending time on your hands and knees comment)

Both of these postures are much more effective if the baby is
moving a lot when you start. This is the best time to pick to
do them.

Shoulder stand (assisted if necessary):

Lie on you back on a good carpet or yoga mat. Lift your feet up
and back over your head, then lift your hips off the ground as far
as you can and stick your feet straight up in the air. Have hubby
stand behind you and hold your ankles to balance you. Note that
he is not lifting you up. You have to do that. He is helping you
keep your balance. Really bad ascii art picture follows:


------\ _______________
\ ) | And hold |
/ / <--------------- | ankles here |
/ / _______________
/ /
( \
\ \
| \
\ \
_| \
/ )
/ /
( /
\ |
\ |
\ \
/ |
o |
\ |
_^--a _/____/__ _______________
( / '-------,___ | DH/Helper |
\__--\_________.------._.-- | stand here |
_______________
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Stay in the position at least 5 to 8 minutes. If you feel
the baby moving around while you are in this position, then
so much the better. As you get into this position it is
important to keep your balance and move slowly.


Pelvic rock:

Get on your hands and knees. arch your back up as high as you can
and place your head down between your arms. Then slowly drop you
back, first until it is straight, then keep going until you are
sway backed and your stomach almost touches the floor. At the same
time lift your head up until it is completely back and you are
looking at the ceiling. Do this slowly. Each repetition should
take at least a couple of seconds. Do 25 to 30 repetitions 2 to
3 times a day, until you give birth.


Finally, when you have the baby turned so that it is completely
vertex, sit on the floor in a cross legged position and lean
forward. Hold this position at least 5 to 8 minutes. Do it
2 to 3 times a day when you know the baby is vertex. This
is best done AFTER the pelvic rock.

OK, I lied, I gave you three positions instead of two. :-)

Good luck,
Larry

[Cheryl]

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:02:20 +1000, "Lee"
> wrote:

>Hiya
>
>Well I've just had my 34 week appointment and am disappointed to announce
>that junior, who has been heads down since week 28, has *now* decided to go
>breech.
>
>If junior doesn't get his/her act together in a fortnight, I've been
>informed I'll have to have a c-section. (Hospital policy for breech
>apparently. My GP also told me she doesn't know anyone who delivers breech
>nowadays because of health risks and legal liability issues)

There is an OB who will deliver breech babies somewhere in
Melbourne. Wilbur Wilde's wife had breech twins and she convinced
someone to deliver them vaginally not so long ago. It's definitely
worth looking around, check with hospital midwives rather than your
GP because they'd know more OBs than your GP.


--
Cheryl

DS#1 (Mar 99), DS#2 (Oct 00)
DD born 30 Jul 02

[Lee]

> Now, I may be terribly mistaken, but as far as I know, there is no
> connection between the position of the baby now and later during delivery.
> They can even turn on their own in labor AFAIK. Why worry about it? Do you
> have a history of breech or something? And why does the baby have to turn
> in 2 weeks? If you are 34 weeks now, in 2 weeks you will be 36. Doesn't
> that give you 4+ more weeks to wait for onset of labor and turning and all
> that?

I dont know why the doctor was so concerned about it - I was so surprised to
hear the baby had turned, after so many weeks of being lined up, I didn't
think to ask. I dont have a history of breech - this is my first child...
I am very short - at 4 11, so I was wondering if that was inpacting on why
she felt it was not likely to turn successfully in time - and I must
confess, I am enormous and feeling very tight.

> Hope that junior turns for you. Have you considered asking him/her to do
so?
> I may be nuts, but when I ask my little one to stop kicking me in the
ribs,
> she usually does.

Yes, we have been trying that. In fact we've been trying pretty much
everything!

Fingers crossed!

Lee

[Lee]

Thanks - though since I'm in Sydney, I'm not *really* that keen to go to
Melbourne to deliver (grin).

It was the midwives at my hospital who told us in no uncertain terms that
the breeches will not be delivered vaginally, rather a c-section is the
protocol.

I guess from my point of view, since I'm *very* unkeen to have a c-section
(except in an emergency) I'm going to have to be strong and insist on
actually going into labour before being convinced that junior wont turn.

Still as people point out - quite a few weeks to go. It things don't look
better by say the 37 week, I might have to start looking at more active
intervention, but in the meantime I guess I'll be sticking with the
constipated duck approach.

Lee




"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:02:20 +1000, "Lee"
> > wrote:
>
> >Hiya
> >
> >Well I've just had my 34 week appointment and am disappointed to announce
> >that junior, who has been heads down since week 28, has *now* decided to
go
> >breech.
> >
> >If junior doesn't get his/her act together in a fortnight, I've been
> >informed I'll have to have a c-section. (Hospital policy for breech
> >apparently. My GP also told me she doesn't know anyone who delivers
breech
> >nowadays because of health risks and legal liability issues)
>
> There is an OB who will deliver breech babies somewhere in
> Melbourne. Wilbur Wilde's wife had breech twins and she convinced
> someone to deliver them vaginally not so long ago. It's definitely
> worth looking around, check with hospital midwives rather than your
> GP because they'd know more OBs than your GP.
>
>
> --
> Cheryl
>
> DS#1 (Mar 99), DS#2 (Oct 00)
> DD born 30 Jul 02
>

[Lee]

Daye

As I mentioned earlier, I agree with you on this, Cheryl might know one of
the few that are actually prepared to do it. (And for those overseas,
Melbourne (where Cheryl is talking about) is the capital of VIC, and Sydney
the capital of NSW - different states in Australia. And while possible to
'pop' across to give birth, not really practical) Certainly in Sydney breech
births is a dying art. My GP said she hasn't heard of people doing it for
quite a few years, and it really is a skill (and I guess a risk) that isn't
often willingly undertaken nowadays.

Interestingly, I have shared care with both hospital and GP, and the
practise (and the hospital) I go to is one of the busiest in Sydney, so if
anyone would have heard of practising OBs willing to do breech I guess they
would have.

And from my point of view I wonder if I am being selfish in not wanting a
c-section, and potentially risking the health of my child simply to avoid
what is (unfortunately) a routine procedure here, simply because I don't
like it.

The whole guilt thing about my values/wishes versus the health of my child
is a tricky one.

Sigh.

Lee

"==Daye==" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 20:17:09 +1000, Cheryl
> > wrote:
>
> >There is an OB who will deliver breech babies somewhere in
> >Melbourne.
>
> When I was pregnant with DD, it looked like she might be breech.
> I gave birth to her in Melbourne. I asked a midwife about the
> posibilities of giving birth to a breech vaginally. She said
> that it is truly a dying art for OBs, and I would be hard pressed
> to find one willing, even if they knew *how* to do it.
>
> I am wondering if the OB that you mention is the only one in
> Melbourne then.
>
> --
> ==Daye==
> Momma to Jayan
> #2 EDD 11 Jan 2004
> E-mail: brendana AT labyrinth DOT net DOT au

[Cheryl]

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 05:14:37 +1000, ==Daye== >
wrote:

>On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 20:17:09 +1000, Cheryl
> wrote:
>
>>There is an OB who will deliver breech babies somewhere in
>>Melbourne.
>
>When I was pregnant with DD, it looked like she might be breech.
>I gave birth to her in Melbourne. I asked a midwife about the
>posibilities of giving birth to a breech vaginally. She said
>that it is truly a dying art for OBs, and I would be hard pressed
>to find one willing, even if they knew *how* to do it.
>
>I am wondering if the OB that you mention is the only one in
>Melbourne then.

It could be. I don't live in Melbourne and haven't tried to find an
OB that will deliver breech babies in Sydney. I have heard that
it's hard to find them due to the indemnity issues but they are
definitely still around even if they are rare.


--
Cheryl

DS#1 (Mar 99), DS#2 (Oct 00)
DD born 30 Jul 02