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Jan Drew
March 21st 06, 08:38 PM
http://www.bestsyndication.com/Articles/2006/p/pringle_evelyn/031906_adhd_pharma.htm

ADHD - Cash Cow For Pharma - Possible Lawsuits Involving Drugs - Ritalin
and Adderall and Other Treatments Questioned
Excerpts:
According to Dr Mosholder, since March 2002, prescriptions written for
adults rose by 90%, to about 1 million a month as of June 2005, and to about
2 million a month for children.

If the three million people are on the lowest priced Ritalin, a round number
of $30 per month times 3 million would create over $1 billion a year for the
drug company alone. Then add in the medical and psychological professional
fees and the grand total easily exceeds $2 billion per year. And if the
patients are on Adderall, the cost of the drug triples to over $3 billion a
year.

The money earned by prescribing shrinks is nothing to sneeze at either. A
2003 American Psychological Association study on "financial disincentives"
for psychotherapy found that doctors could earn about $263 an hour for doing
three 15-minute "medication management" sessions, verses about $156 for a
single 45 to 50-minute therapy session. That represents a pay cut of 41% an
hour for doing therapy only, the study determined.

Mark Probert
March 21st 06, 11:07 PM
Jan Drew wrote:
> http://www.bestsyndication.com/Articles/2006/p/pringle_evelyn/031906_adhd_pharma.htm
>
> ADHD - Cash Cow For Pharma - Possible Lawsuits Involving Drugs - Ritalin
> and Adderall and Other Treatments Questioned
> Excerpts:

You cut out the crap from good old, and very discredited (even more than
Barrett) Dr. Breggin.

Oh, and you forgot to mention that this is sales hype from a lawyer
referral service also promoted by Evelyn Dingle.

> According to Dr Mosholder, since March 2002, prescriptions written for
> adults rose by 90%, to about 1 million a month as of June 2005, and to about
> 2 million a month for children.
>
> If the three million people are on the lowest priced Ritalin, a round number
> of $30 per month times 3 million would create over $1 billion a year for the
> drug company alone. Then add in the medical and psychological professional
> fees and the grand total easily exceeds $2 billion per year. And if the
> patients are on Adderall, the cost of the drug triples to over $3 billion a
> year.
>
> The money earned by prescribing shrinks is nothing to sneeze at either. A
> 2003 American Psychological Association study on "financial disincentives"
> for psychotherapy found that doctors could earn about $263 an hour for doing
> three 15-minute "medication management" sessions, verses about $156 for a
> single 45 to 50-minute therapy session. That represents a pay cut of 41% an
> hour for doing therapy only, the study determined.
>
>

Jan Drew
March 22nd 06, 01:31 AM
"Mark Probert
> Jan Drew wrote:
>> http://www.bestsyndication.com/Articles/2006/p/pringle_evelyn/031906_adhd_pharma.htm
>>
>> ADHD - Cash Cow For Pharma - Possible Lawsuits Involving Drugs -
>> Ritalin and Adderall and Other Treatments Questioned

>> Excerpts:
>
> You cut
> Oh, and you forgot

Poor Mark.

Excerpts:

[Oh and he forgot to comment on the below]


>> According to Dr Mosholder, since March 2002, prescriptions written for
>> adults rose by 90%, to about 1 million a month as of June 2005, and to
>> about 2 million a month for children.
>>
>> If the three million people are on the lowest priced Ritalin, a round
>> number of $30 per month times 3 million would create over $1 billion a
>> year for the drug company alone. Then add in the medical and
>> psychological professional fees and the grand total easily exceeds $2
>> billion per year. And if the patients are on Adderall, the cost of the
>> drug triples to over $3 billion a year.
>>
>> The money earned by prescribing shrinks is nothing to sneeze at either. A
>> 2003 American Psychological Association study on "financial
>> disincentives" for psychotherapy found that doctors could earn about $263
>> an hour for doing three 15-minute "medication management" sessions,
>> verses about $156 for a single 45 to 50-minute therapy session. That
>> represents a pay cut of 41% an hour for doing therapy only, the study
>> determined.
>>

James
March 22nd 06, 02:51 AM
Actually the "rose by 90%" bit is not the correct way to say anything
like this. Do they mean (in the case of adults) that it rose from a bit
over 500,000 to 1 million? The problem is that it can be read to mean a
much larger or smaller increase than actual. Please supply proper
figures.

Even so. If those figures are correct. They don't seem that excessive.
I assume this is in the USA only? Population a bit under 300 million.
1% of the population.

Still the way the figures in the article are given it's hard to
believe. They aren't even consistant within the article. "the grand
total easily exceeds $2 billion per year. And if the patients are on
Adderall, the cost of the drug triples to over $3 billion a year".

Since when does 3 times 2 = 3

Somebody has no idea of figures or is just making them up. So a
challenge. If this is real. Please post the real figures and the source
of such figures. So far for grade school arithmetic you get 3 out of
10. Needs work.

James

Mark Probert
March 22nd 06, 03:13 PM
James wrote:
> Actually the "rose by 90%" bit is not the correct way to say anything
> like this. Do they mean (in the case of adults) that it rose from a bit
> over 500,000 to 1 million? The problem is that it can be read to mean a
> much larger or smaller increase than actual. Please supply proper
> figures.
>
> Even so. If those figures are correct. They don't seem that excessive.
> I assume this is in the USA only? Population a bit under 300 million.
> 1% of the population.
>
> Still the way the figures in the article are given it's hard to
> believe. They aren't even consistant within the article. "the grand
> total easily exceeds $2 billion per year. And if the patients are on
> Adderall, the cost of the drug triples to over $3 billion a year".
>
> Since when does 3 times 2 = 3
>
> Somebody has no idea of figures or is just making them up. So a
> challenge. If this is real. Please post the real figures and the source
> of such figures. So far for grade school arithmetic you get 3 out of
> 10. Needs work.

Are you assuming that it is anything other than promotional material for
a lawyer referral service which promotes class action law suits?

Why expect anything to be remotely correct when all that money is at stake?

Mark Probert
March 22nd 06, 03:18 PM
James wrote:
> Actually the "rose by 90%" bit is not the correct way to say anything
> like this. Do they mean (in the case of adults) that it rose from a bit
> over 500,000 to 1 million? The problem is that it can be read to mean a
> much larger or smaller increase than actual. Please supply proper
> figures.
>
> Even so. If those figures are correct. They don't seem that excessive.
> I assume this is in the USA only? Population a bit under 300 million.
> 1% of the population.
>
> Still the way the figures in the article are given it's hard to
> believe. They aren't even consistant within the article. "the grand
> total easily exceeds $2 billion per year. And if the patients are on
> Adderall, the cost of the drug triples to over $3 billion a year".
>
> Since when does 3 times 2 = 3
>
> Somebody has no idea of figures or is just making them up. So a
> challenge. If this is real. Please post the real figures and the source
> of such figures. So far for grade school arithmetic you get 3 out of
> 10. Needs work.

Needs a serious infusion of facts and logical analysis.

From the sales pitch:

"In 1980, the so-called Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), which amounts
to little more than a list of behaviors, was voted into existence as a
mental illness by the American Psychiatric Association, so it could be
included in the psychiatric billing Bible known as the Diagnostic &
Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders, DSM.

In 1987, an H was added to the label and the illness became, "Attention
Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder." Within one year, 500,000 children in
the US were diagnosed with this cash-cow disorder."

I dealt with ADHD for a child for 24/7/365/16+years. AD/HD was first
identified, under other names, over a century ago.

The article attempts to resuscitate the five lawsuits of several years
ago which alleged the same thing. Two were dismissed for failure to
state a claim, and the other three were withdrawn, as the lawyers were
smart enough to see that the cash cow died.

Jan relies on this type of bull**** for information. She is afraid of
facts, and afraid of peace.