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Kath

May 19th 06, 04:29 PM

Hi all,

I posted this in infertility too but I have so many dear friends here
so I wanted to share the good news:

Well, it was great news all the way. Thanks to you all for your
prayers and help! I have 6 good size ones and 10 in total and I have
to do two more floistim shots, then the ovidrel and we go in for the
IUI on Tus. They also gave me a prescription for a progesterone
vaginal med. to support a potential pregnancy (I start those after the
IUI).

My linning is good too. :)

Please keep me still in your prayers. It has been so long and so many
losses. This time all looks good. My heart needed to hear this so
much.

Kath

Welches

May 19th 06, 04:40 PM

"Kath" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I posted this in infertility too but I have so many dear friends here
> so I wanted to share the good news:
>
> Well, it was great news all the way. Thanks to you all for your
> prayers and help! I have 6 good size ones and 10 in total and I have
> to do two more floistim shots, then the ovidrel and we go in for the
> IUI on Tus. They also gave me a prescription for a progesterone
> vaginal med. to support a potential pregnancy (I start those after the
> IUI).
>
> My linning is good too. :)
>
> Please keep me still in your prayers. It has been so long and so many
> losses. This time all looks good. My heart needed to hear this so
> much.
>
> Kath
>
Hope it continues looking good all the way.
Debbie

rangitotogirl

May 20th 06, 06:21 AM

Kath

May 20th 06, 02:00 PM

I don't know. My RE anted to just go step by step and they let me know
as we went. The hope was to try IUI first once and then the next cycle
go to IVF. It would be all we could afford.

Best
Kath

taylormadeinjaxfl

May 20th 06, 03:33 PM

My prayers are w/you. God Bless.
Lisa

Joybelle

May 24th 06, 05:58 PM

"Kath" > wrote in message
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> Please keep me still in your prayers. It has been so long and so many
> losses. This time all looks good. My heart needed to hear this so
> much.

I hope all is going well, Kath. You're in my thoughts!

--
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taylormadeinjaxfl

June 23rd 06, 06:39 AM

Has anyone here ever had a blood test come back positive for downs
syndrome, but the ultra sound at 20wks says everything looks like a normal
baby? I have a healthy 7yr old, and a 4 yr old that has mild spinal
bifida, (it closed before birth) both are girls. I am healthy 28 yr old,
except for a back injury, and noone in either side of the family has a
history of birthdefects. This baby is a boy, what I was praying for.
Please help, I do not know what to think....

Jamie Clark

June 23rd 06, 07:45 AM

taylormadeinjaxfl wrote:
> Has anyone here ever had a blood test come back positive for downs
> syndrome, but the ultra sound at 20wks says everything looks like a
> normal baby? I have a healthy 7yr old, and a 4 yr old that has mild
> spinal bifida, (it closed before birth) both are girls. I am healthy
> 28 yr old, except for a back injury, and noone in either side of the
> family has a history of birthdefects. This baby is a boy, what I was
> praying for. Please help, I do not know what to think....

Family history doesn't mean much, in relation to DS. Most cases of DS are
just a fluke. The fact that you have 2 other children that are healthy is
great, but again, since most cases of DS are a fluke, doesn't have much
affect on whether or not this child does.

As we told you before, the only way to know for sure is to have an amnio.
There are many soft markers for DS, that along with a "positive" risk factor
on the AFP or nuchal scan, can be indicators of DS. There are also lots of
incidents of people having a negative blood screen, no soft markers on the
u/s, and no family history, and the baby still has Downs.

Do you know exactly what your risk factor was for DS based on the original
blood test, your age, and whatever else they factor in?

For example, based on age alone, a woman who is 30 has a risk factor of 1 in
1,000. If she then had the triplescreen/AFP test done, and her new risk
factor came back at 1 in 900, technically speaking, she would have a
"positive" screen for DS, because the new number is lower than the old one.
But the chances of her baby having DS are still very VERY slim. She would
have a 899 chance out of 900 of her baby being perfectly healthy. And then
if that woman had a very good normal u/s at 20 weeks, I would tell her not
to worry too much. Only an amnio will tell for sure, but the odds would be
very in her favor. Of course, sadly, **** still happens, but in all
likelihood, her baby will be fine.

Now, if that same woman's recalculated risk factor came back at 1 in 50
after her triple screen/AFP test, that's a different story. Her risk is
much higher, but still, her baby could be healthy. So it's just a matter of
your comfort level. You can wait and see, or you can have an amnio and know
for sure. But you need to think long and hard about what you will do with
the information, once you get it. If your baby does indeed have DS, what
will you do? If you feel sure that you would not end the pregnancy, then it
may not be worth doing, since there is some risk. If you feel strongly that
you might end the pregnancy, then you probably need to get moving on having
the amnio, as it gets more complicated and difficult to end a pregnancy in
the second trimester.

I'm sorry you are dealing with this. I wish there was an easy answer. I
wish you the best.
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June 23rd 06, 12:08 PM

taylormadeinjaxfl wrote:
> Has anyone here ever had a blood test come back positive for downs
> syndrome, but the ultra sound at 20wks says everything looks like a normal
> baby? I have a healthy 7yr old, and a 4 yr old that has mild spinal
> bifida, (it closed before birth) both are girls. I am healthy 28 yr old,
> except for a back injury, and noone in either side of the family has a
> history of birthdefects. This baby is a boy, what I was praying for.
> Please help, I do not know what to think....

Hi there,

I'm 34, so I had the maternal serum testing done while I was pregnant.
The bloodwork came back and said I had an 'elevated risk' for Downs.
Scary to be sure!

I went for an ultrasound, where they looked for soft markers. They
found none for Downs, but a choroid plexus cyst in the baby's brain
which *could* have been an indicator for another abnormality.

Another ultrasound a few weeks later, and the odds came back at 1 in
294 or something like that for DS. We decided the amnio was a higher
risk, so we didn't do it. And in April we had a perfectly healthy 10
pound 8 ounce boy. :) He's nearly 12 weeks old now, and tipping the
scales at about 20 pounds. Big parents make big babies I guess!

Good luck to you!

KD & G

Ericka Kammerer

June 23rd 06, 02:02 PM

taylormadeinjaxfl wrote:
> Has anyone here ever had a blood test come back positive for downs
> syndrome, but the ultra sound at 20wks says everything looks like a normal
> baby? I have a healthy 7yr old, and a 4 yr old that has mild spinal
> bifida, (it closed before birth) both are girls. I am healthy 28 yr old,
> except for a back injury, and noone in either side of the family has a
> history of birthdefects.

The overwhelming majority of people who get a positive
triple- or quad-screen have perfectly healthy babies. That is
the nature of screening tests. They do not positively diagnose
any condition. They only identify a sub-group of people who
have an elevated risk and who might benefit from further testing.
Your caregivers should have told you not just that
you had a "positive," but what the actual calculated odds
were (results should be something like "a 1 in 300 risk of
Downs Syndrome"). They should also be able to tell you what
your age related risk is (should be about 1 in 1290 at your
age). Because your age-related risk is so very low, the
screening test could have still had a very low risk
(like 1 in 1000) and still be considered "positive" because
it was higher than your expected age-related risk.
Once you know what your risk is based on the
screening test, you can evaluate whether or not it would
be worth it to you to consider accepting the risk of
more invasive testing (amnio) to get a definitive diagnosis.
Amnio carries a risk somewhere between 1 in 100 and 1 in 200
of causing a miscarriage. You have to weigh that against
the value of the information it provides, and how valuable
that information is to you depends a lot on what you would
do with the information.

Best wishes,
Ericka

taylormadeinjaxfl

June 24th 06, 06:14 AM

My odds, after blood tests(triple screen) were 1 in 166, my husband was
against the amnio. He believes we are going to have a healthy baby boy, I
left it up to him to have it done(this is his first child). He is now
reconsidering after seeing how worried I am. I don't know if I could
terminate a child I feel moving inside of me as I type either way. If I do
have the amnio and it comes back negative for everything, and lose the
child, then what would I think of myself. Your right there is no easy
answer to this. I just wish they would have told me before I was 20 wks...

Dave {Reply Address In.sig}

June 24th 06, 10:35 AM

taylormadeinjaxfl wrote:
> My odds, after blood tests(triple screen) were 1 in 166, my husband was
> against the amnio. He believes we are going to have a healthy baby boy, I
> left it up to him to have it done(this is his first child). He is now
> reconsidering after seeing how worried I am. I don't know if I could
> terminate a child I feel moving inside of me as I type either way. If I do
> have the amnio and it comes back negative for everything, and lose the
> child, then what would I think of myself. Your right there is no easy
> answer to this. I just wish they would have told me before I was 20 wks...
>
If you wouldn't terminate even for a bad result then there's no point in
having the test in the first place. If termination was a definite option
then you have to think long and hard. It's a bit easier to opt for the
test when they tell you it's 1 in 10 from other factors though.

Note also that Downs is pretty much the mildest of the genetic problems,
most of others don't survive to term or much beyond it (thinking of T13
and T18 as the other main ones)

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cjra

June 24th 06, 02:19 PM

taylormadeinjaxfl wrote:
> My odds, after blood tests(triple screen) were 1 in 166, my husband was
> against the amnio. He believes we are going to have a healthy baby boy, I
> left it up to him to have it done(this is his first child). He is now
> reconsidering after seeing how worried I am. I don't know if I could
> terminate a child I feel moving inside of me as I type either way. If I do
> have the amnio and it comes back negative for everything, and lose the
> child, then what would I think of myself. Your right there is no easy
> answer to this. I just wish they would have told me before I was 20 wks...

Ask your doctor about a Level II Ultrasound. Not as effective as an
amino but much safer.

I was against doing the triple screen even tho I'm 36 because I knew
there tends to be a high rate of 'positive risk' and I didn't want to
risk an amino, but would be freaked out. My OB said that rather than an
amino, we could do a level II ultrasound which would likely be able to
detect any problems. I finally gave in and was tested, but all was ok
and I didn't do any more. I would not have consented to be tested if
the level II was not an option. Now, I am not arguing it's as effective
as aminio, but perhaps it would give you some peace of mind without the
risks.

I am sorry you're experiencing this. Most 'positive risk' screens turn
out to be fine.

Leigh Menconi

June 24th 06, 09:56 PM

"taylormadeinjaxfl" > wrote in message
lkaboutparenting.com...
> Has anyone here ever had a blood test come back positive for downs
> syndrome, but the ultra sound at 20wks says everything looks like a normal
> baby? I have a healthy 7yr old, and a 4 yr old that has mild spinal
> bifida, (it closed before birth) both are girls. I am healthy 28 yr old,
> except for a back injury, and noone in either side of the family has a
> history of birthdefects. This baby is a boy, what I was praying for.
> Please help, I do not know what to think....
>

I haven't had a blood test come back positive (I was having twins and the
AFP came out in the normal range) but I do have a little girl with Down
syndrome and it's not the end of the world, life does go on (just like the
TV show). I was 34 when I got pregnant and most of the friends I have now
who have children with Down syndrome were under 35 when they conceived. One
has had two children with Down syndrome and she was 24 the first time she
got pregnant.

Since I'm more attuned to "all things Down syndrome" because of my daughter,
I can tell you that there was a study that showed a family history of spina
bifida *is* related to Down syndrome (and vice versa) because they are both
caused by something going amiss with cells dividing at some point. A family
history of high homocysteine (which is an indicator of possible heart
attacks later on) also seems to be related to both conditions as well as a
genetic condition which keeps folic acid from metabolizing properly, no
matter how much you take prenatally or while pregnant (can't remember the
name of the condition).

Leigh in raLeigh

Tracey

June 25th 06, 12:47 AM

"Dave {Reply Address In.sig}" > wrote in message
...
>> If you wouldn't terminate even for a bad result then there's no point in
> having the test in the first place.

Sure there is. If you find out there is some big problem (or even a
'potential' problem), knowing about it in advance could help you prepare and
plan for it, IE with a specialist at the birth to perform life saving
surgery, etc.

Ericka Kammerer

June 25th 06, 01:29 AM

Tracey wrote:
> "Dave {Reply Address In.sig}" > wrote in message
> ...
>>> If you wouldn't terminate even for a bad result then there's no point in
>> having the test in the first place.
>
> Sure there is. If you find out there is some big problem (or even a
> 'potential' problem), knowing about it in advance could help you prepare and
> plan for it, IE with a specialist at the birth to perform life saving
> surgery, etc.

There are many babies born with DS that was not
diagnosed prenatally, and as far as I know, their outcomes
are not significantly worse than babies whose DS was
diagnosed prenatally. The DS may be associated with
certain problems that need to be addressed; however,
the only way they're going to find out about those
issues is via u/s. For instance, a definitive diagnosis
of DS via amnio does not tell you whether or not there
is a heart defect requiring immediate surgery after
birth. You'd have to do an u/s to discover that. If
you do the u/s anyway, you'd have as good a chance of
knowing about the heart defect as you would with the
amnio. As far as just the general getting used to the
idea or making plans, that's a tough call as well.
There is a *very* wide range of situations with DS.
Some kids are more mildly or severely affected than others.
Even knowing the diagnosis in advance doesn't tell you
all that much about what will be necessary for *your*
particular child. For some people, the worrying about
all the "what ifs" without any clear answers is actually
worse.
I don't have any heartburn with people who
want to know in advance, for whatever reason, and
therefore choose to have the amnio. I do take a little
bit of issue, however, with the notion that getting
a definitive diagnosis is necessary in order to prepare.
Parents who don't feel a need to know otherwise and
don't want to take the risk of amnio shouldn't feel
like they are providing inadequate care for their
babies. As far as I'm aware, not having the amnio
is not an impediment to appropriate care for a baby
with DS.

Best wishes,
Ericka

Dave {Reply Address In.sig}

June 25th 06, 09:04 AM