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Ilena Rose

August 15th 06, 04:30 AM

Opinion
A tragedy in our imperfect nation
By Michael Simonson

http://www.diamondbackonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/08/12/44dc4ab133004

August 12, 2006

A tragedy is occurring right this instant in the United States, right
in Virginia, and it can be stopped. It involves a young man, by the
name of Abraham Cherrix, 16, of Chincoteague, Va., who is being taken
advantage of by the government and medical system of this country.
Unfortunately, Abraham has a deadly form of cancer. The tragedy that
has ensued since his diagnosis of Hodgkin's disease goes like this: He
voluntarily underwent chemotherapy, a physically punishing procedure
that can treat, but not cure, the cancer. After being physically
crushed, but temporarily relieved of the cancer, Abraham decided he
would not undergo the therapy again, with his parents' wishes, even if
it meant dying.

The cancer did come back, and he stuck with his choice of not going
through with the chemo. Instead, with the help of his parents and
others, he discovered a legitimate, well-researched organic process of
treating Hodgkin's. But the government and medical establishment of
the United States adamantly opposed his choice. The impersonal powers
that be are saying that, at age 16, Abraham is unduly influenced by
his "unknowledgeable" parents, and that the treatment plan he wants to
be on is "deadly," compared with the chemotherapy.

While it is not wrong that our government wants to protect minors that
are harmfully influenced by their parents, this case does not fall
under such circumstances. In fact, this case involving this boy has
nothing to do with bad parenting. This case is about our government
wielding its power in a dangerous and immoral way. This case is about
a boy being physically dominated and beaten by what many consider, and
rightfully so, the greatest country in world history. But our homeland
is not acting in a great way. It is acting in a way that better
conjures images of a totalitarian society such as the ones that exist
in stories such as 1984 by George Orwell, or the recent movie V for
Vendetta .

The chemotherapy the government is forcing on Abraham does not cure
the cancer, and it treats it for only a short period of time, if at
all, in many instances. Most important, though, are the chemotherapy's
brutal side effects, which could take from Abraham the ability to
fully enjoy life ever again. In addition to these resounding facts of
the procedure's ineffectiveness (it already failed once for Abraham),
there is the reaction of Abraham himself. Another round, at higher
doses, "would kill me, literally. No joke about it," Abraham said to
USA Today . "The first round of chemo almost killed me in itself.
There were some nights I didn't know if I would make it." The current
treatment he and his family have come up with is logical and
well-researched, and above all, it gives him the physical, mental, and
emotional quality of life that chemotherapy has, and will, destroy.

Just recently Abraham and his family took the government to court,
hoping and praying they would be given a reprieve on Abraham's
persecution. The court upheld the government's decree, though. Abraham
and his family may not have anyone else, or any other place, to turn.
It could be days before he undergoes the chemo again.

But this tragedy can be stopped. Abe has not gone through the chemo,
yet. Not only can his life be saved, but a powerfully important
message can be sent. Here is our chance to be like the heroes we see
in the movies. Let's rescue Abe, and change the world. Contact anyone
with a voice, and tell them this story. Tell them you want the
government to free Abraham. Here's a website with further information,
http://www.abrahamsjourney.com/my_story.html.

Michael Simonson is a senior American studies major. He can be reached
at msimonso @ umd.edu.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

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August 15th 06, 04:52 AM

Ilena Rose wrote:
> Opinion
> A tragedy in our imperfect nation
> By Michael Simonson
>
> http://www.diamondbackonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/08/12/44dc4ab133004
>
> August 12, 2006
>
> A tragedy is occurring right this instant in the United States, right
> in Virginia, and it can be stopped. It involves a young man, by the
> name of Abraham Cherrix, 16, of Chincoteague, Va., who is being taken
> advantage of by the government and medical system of this country.
> Unfortunately, Abraham has a deadly form of cancer. The tragedy that
> has ensued since his diagnosis of Hodgkin's disease goes like this: He
> voluntarily underwent chemotherapy, a physically punishing procedure
> that can treat, but not cure, the cancer. After being physically
> crushed, but temporarily relieved of the cancer, Abraham decided he
> would not undergo the therapy again, with his parents' wishes, even if
> it meant dying.
>
> The cancer did come back, and he stuck with his choice of not going
> through with the chemo. Instead, with the help of his parents and
> others, he discovered a legitimate, well-researched organic process of
> treating Hodgkin's. But the government and medical establishment of
> the United States adamantly opposed his choice. The impersonal powers
> that be are saying that, at age 16, Abraham is unduly influenced by
> his "unknowledgeable" parents, and that the treatment plan he wants to
> be on is "deadly," compared with the chemotherapy.
>
> While it is not wrong that our government wants to protect minors that
> are harmfully influenced by their parents, this case does not fall
> under such circumstances. In fact, this case involving this boy has
> nothing to do with bad parenting. This case is about our government
> wielding its power in a dangerous and immoral way. This case is about
> a boy being physically dominated and beaten by what many consider, and
> rightfully so, the greatest country in world history. But our homeland
> is not acting in a great way. It is acting in a way that better
> conjures images of a totalitarian society such as the ones that exist
> in stories such as 1984 by George Orwell, or the recent movie V for
> Vendetta .
>
> The chemotherapy the government is forcing on Abraham does not cure
> the cancer, and it treats it for only a short period of time, if at
> all, in many instances. Most important, though, are the chemotherapy's
> brutal side effects, which could take from Abraham the ability to
> fully enjoy life ever again. In addition to these resounding facts of
> the procedure's ineffectiveness (it already failed once for Abraham),
> there is the reaction of Abraham himself. Another round, at higher
> doses, "would kill me, literally. No joke about it," Abraham said to
> USA Today . "The first round of chemo almost killed me in itself.
> There were some nights I didn't know if I would make it." The current
> treatment he and his family have come up with is logical and
> well-researched, and above all, it gives him the physical, mental, and
> emotional quality of life that chemotherapy has, and will, destroy.
>
> Just recently Abraham and his family took the government to court,
> hoping and praying they would be given a reprieve on Abraham's
> persecution. The court upheld the government's decree, though. Abraham
> and his family may not have anyone else, or any other place, to turn.
> It could be days before he undergoes the chemo again.
>
> But this tragedy can be stopped. Abe has not gone through the chemo,
> yet. Not only can his life be saved, but a powerfully important
> message can be sent. Here is our chance to be like the heroes we see
> in the movies. Let's rescue Abe, and change the world. Contact anyone
> with a voice, and tell them this story. Tell them you want the
> government to free Abraham. Here's a website with further information,
> http://www.abrahamsjourney.com/my_story.html.
>
> Michael Simonson is a senior American studies major. He can be reached
> at msimonso @ umd.edu.

That's it in a nutshell. It's totally insane to give chemo to someone
who truly believes it will kill him and has had the prior experience of
nearly dying from it already.

Revici v. Schneider: people have the right to decide for themselves if
they wish to go outside mainstream medicine.

The parents believe it's well researched. They are making a decision
based on their reasonable beliefs. Meanwhile, according to the article,
Abraham is apparently doing well on the Hoxey/organic program.

Any attempt to butt in ought to be derided and crushed.

Peter Moran

August 15th 06, 07:37 AM

"Ilena Rose" > wrote in message
...
> Opinion
> A tragedy in our imperfect nation
> By Michael Simonson
>
> http://www.diamondbackonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/08/12/44dc4ab133004
>
> August 12, 2006
>
> A tragedy is occurring right this instant in the United States, right
> in Virginia, and it can be stopped. It involves a young man, by the
> name of Abraham Cherrix, 16, of Chincoteague, Va., who is being taken
> advantage of by the government and medical system of this country.
> Unfortunately, Abraham has a deadly form of cancer. The tragedy that
> has ensued since his diagnosis of Hodgkin's disease goes like this: He
> voluntarily underwent chemotherapy, a physically punishing procedure
> that can treat, but not cure, the cancer. After being physically
> crushed, but temporarily relieved of the cancer, Abraham decided he
> would not undergo the therapy again, with his parents' wishes, even if
> it meant dying.
>
> The cancer did come back, and he stuck with his choice of not going
> through with the chemo. Instead, with the help of his parents and
> others, he discovered a legitimate, well-researched organic process of
> treating Hodgkin's. But the government and medical establishment of
> the United States adamantly opposed his choice. The impersonal powers
> that be are saying that, at age 16, Abraham is unduly influenced by
> his "unknowledgeable" parents, and that the treatment plan he wants to
> be on is "deadly," compared with the chemotherapy.
>
> While it is not wrong that our government wants to protect minors that
> are harmfully influenced by their parents, this case does not fall
> under such circumstances. In fact, this case involving this boy has
> nothing to do with bad parenting. This case is about our government
> wielding its power in a dangerous and immoral way. This case is about
> a boy being physically dominated and beaten by what many consider, and
> rightfully so, the greatest country in world history. But our homeland
> is not acting in a great way. It is acting in a way that better
> conjures images of a totalitarian society such as the ones that exist
> in stories such as 1984 by George Orwell, or the recent movie V for
> Vendetta .
>
> The chemotherapy the government is forcing on Abraham does not cure
> the cancer, and it treats it for only a short period of time, if at
> all, in many instances.

..
The overall results of the treatment of Hodgkin's disease in Canada can be
seen here
http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/Hodgkin'ssurvival.htm Even in
the 1970s the *thirty year* survival was close to fifty per cent, and with
improvements in treatment since then the results will be much better. With
early disease the results are much better again --these figures include the
most advanced and high grade cases.

The results of the treatment of cancer via the Hoxsey treatment have been
looked at by the University of Texas and fail to show definite activity
against any kind of cancer. Their patients are poorly documented and
followed up and they seem to die at the same rate as they would without the
treatment.
http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/cancer/Alternative_studies.htm.
This treatment has been about for over half a century. It is absurd to
think that it is an effective treatment of established cancer, yet has been
unable to produce any body of cured cancer patients in that time.

So let's not confuse let the medical questions with the undoubted legal and
ethical problems. Let's not obscure the fact that he has been lied to
when the Biomedical centre claims over 80% cure rates..

Peter Moran

www.cancerwatcher.com

Jan Drew

August 15th 06, 07:45 AM

"Peter Moran" > wrote in message
u...
>
> "Ilena Rose" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Opinion
>> A tragedy in our imperfect nation
>> By Michael Simonson
>>
>> http://www.diamondbackonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/08/12/44dc4ab133004
>>
>> August 12, 2006
>>
>> A tragedy is occurring right this instant in the United States, right
>> in Virginia, and it can be stopped. It involves a young man, by the
>> name of Abraham Cherrix, 16, of Chincoteague, Va., who is being taken
>> advantage of by the government and medical system of this country.
>> Unfortunately, Abraham has a deadly form of cancer. The tragedy that
>> has ensued since his diagnosis of Hodgkin's disease goes like this: He
>> voluntarily underwent chemotherapy, a physically punishing procedure
>> that can treat, but not cure, the cancer. After being physically
>> crushed, but temporarily relieved of the cancer, Abraham decided he
>> would not undergo the therapy again, with his parents' wishes, even if
>> it meant dying.
>>
>> The cancer did come back, and he stuck with his choice of not going
>> through with the chemo. Instead, with the help of his parents and
>> others, he discovered a legitimate, well-researched organic process of
>> treating Hodgkin's. But the government and medical establishment of
>> the United States adamantly opposed his choice. The impersonal powers
>> that be are saying that, at age 16, Abraham is unduly influenced by
>> his "unknowledgeable" parents, and that the treatment plan he wants to
>> be on is "deadly," compared with the chemotherapy.
>>
>> While it is not wrong that our government wants to protect minors that
>> are harmfully influenced by their parents, this case does not fall
>> under such circumstances. In fact, this case involving this boy has
>> nothing to do with bad parenting. This case is about our government
>> wielding its power in a dangerous and immoral way. This case is about
>> a boy being physically dominated and beaten by what many consider, and
>> rightfully so, the greatest country in world history. But our homeland
>> is not acting in a great way. It is acting in a way that better
>> conjures images of a totalitarian society such as the ones that exist
>> in stories such as 1984 by George Orwell, or the recent movie V for
>> Vendetta .
>>
>> The chemotherapy the government is forcing on Abraham does not cure
>> the cancer, and it treats it for only a short period of time, if at
>> all, in many instances.
>
> .
> The overall results of the treatment of Hodgkin's disease in Canada can be
> seen here
> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/Hodgkin'ssurvival.htm Even in
> the 1970s the *thirty year* survival was close to fifty per cent, and with
> improvements in treatment since then the results will be much better.
> With early disease the results are much better again --these figures
> include the most advanced and high grade cases.
>
> The results of the treatment of cancer via the Hoxsey treatment have been
> looked at by the University of Texas and fail to show definite activity
> against any kind of cancer. Their patients are poorly documented and
> followed up and they seem to die at the same rate as they would without
> the treatment.
> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/cancer/Alternative_studies.htm.
> This treatment has been about for over half a century. It is absurd to
> think that it is an effective treatment of established cancer, yet has
> been unable to produce any body of cured cancer patients in that time.

Alternative Cancer Protocols updated

http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=106

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Hoxsey&btnG=Google...

http://members.aol.com/publicoccurrence/hoxide/ward.html

>
> So let's not confuse let the medical questions with the undoubted legal
> and ethical problems. Let's not obscure the fact that he has been lied
> to when the Biomedical centre claims over 80% cure rates..
>
> Peter Moran
>
> www.cancerwatcher of ONLY alternative.
>
>

JohnDoe

August 15th 06, 07:52 AM

wrote:

> Ilena Rose wrote:
>
>>Opinion
>>A tragedy in our imperfect nation
>>By Michael Simonson
>>
>>http://www.diamondbackonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/08/12/44dc4ab133004
>>
>>August 12, 2006
>>
>>A tragedy is occurring right this instant in the United States, right
>>in Virginia, and it can be stopped. It involves a young man, by the
>>name of Abraham Cherrix, 16, of Chincoteague, Va., who is being taken
>>advantage of by the government and medical system of this country.
>>Unfortunately, Abraham has a deadly form of cancer. The tragedy that
>>has ensued since his diagnosis of Hodgkin's disease goes like this: He
>>voluntarily underwent chemotherapy, a physically punishing procedure
>>that can treat, but not cure, the cancer. After being physically
>>crushed, but temporarily relieved of the cancer, Abraham decided he
>>would not undergo the therapy again, with his parents' wishes, even if
>>it meant dying.
>>
>>The cancer did come back, and he stuck with his choice of not going
>>through with the chemo. Instead, with the help of his parents and
>>others, he discovered a legitimate, well-researched organic process of
>>treating Hodgkin's. But the government and medical establishment of
>>the United States adamantly opposed his choice. The impersonal powers
>>that be are saying that, at age 16, Abraham is unduly influenced by
>>his "unknowledgeable" parents, and that the treatment plan he wants to
>>be on is "deadly," compared with the chemotherapy.
>>
>>While it is not wrong that our government wants to protect minors that
>>are harmfully influenced by their parents, this case does not fall
>>under such circumstances. In fact, this case involving this boy has
>>nothing to do with bad parenting. This case is about our government
>>wielding its power in a dangerous and immoral way. This case is about
>>a boy being physically dominated and beaten by what many consider, and
>>rightfully so, the greatest country in world history. But our homeland
>>is not acting in a great way. It is acting in a way that better
>>conjures images of a totalitarian society such as the ones that exist
>>in stories such as 1984 by George Orwell, or the recent movie V for
>>Vendetta .
>>
>>The chemotherapy the government is forcing on Abraham does not cure
>>the cancer, and it treats it for only a short period of time, if at
>>all, in many instances. Most important, though, are the chemotherapy's
>>brutal side effects, which could take from Abraham the ability to
>>fully enjoy life ever again. In addition to these resounding facts of
>>the procedure's ineffectiveness (it already failed once for Abraham),
>>there is the reaction of Abraham himself. Another round, at higher
>>doses, "would kill me, literally. No joke about it," Abraham said to
>>USA Today . "The first round of chemo almost killed me in itself.
>>There were some nights I didn't know if I would make it." The current
>>treatment he and his family have come up with is logical and
>>well-researched, and above all, it gives him the physical, mental, and
>>emotional quality of life that chemotherapy has, and will, destroy.
>>
>>Just recently Abraham and his family took the government to court,
>>hoping and praying they would be given a reprieve on Abraham's
>>persecution. The court upheld the government's decree, though. Abraham
>>and his family may not have anyone else, or any other place, to turn.
>>It could be days before he undergoes the chemo again.
>>
>>But this tragedy can be stopped. Abe has not gone through the chemo,
>>yet. Not only can his life be saved, but a powerfully important
>>message can be sent. Here is our chance to be like the heroes we see
>>in the movies. Let's rescue Abe, and change the world. Contact anyone
>>with a voice, and tell them this story. Tell them you want the
>>government to free Abraham. Here's a website with further information,
>>http://www.abrahamsjourney.com/my_story.html.
>>
>>Michael Simonson is a senior American studies major. He can be reached
>>at msimonso @ umd.edu.
>
>
> That's it in a nutshell. It's totally insane to give chemo to someone
> who truly believes it will kill him and has had the prior experience of
> nearly dying from it already.
>
> Revici v. Schneider: people have the right to decide for themselves if
> they wish to go outside mainstream medicine.
>
> The parents believe it's well researched. They are making a decision
> based on their reasonable beliefs. Meanwhile, according to the article,
> Abraham is apparently doing well on the Hoxey/organic program.

Abraham has reported his tumor has grown. Do you considered that 'doing
well'?

> Any attempt to butt in ought to be derided and crushed.
>

cathyb

August 15th 06, 07:52 AM

Peter Moran wrote:
> "Ilena Rose" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Opinion
> > A tragedy in our imperfect nation
> > By Michael Simonson
> >
> > http://www.diamondbackonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/08/12/44dc4ab133004
> >
> > August 12, 2006
> >
> > A tragedy is occurring right this instant in the United States, right
> > in Virginia, and it can be stopped. It involves a young man, by the
> > name of Abraham Cherrix, 16, of Chincoteague, Va., who is being taken
> > advantage of by the government and medical system of this country.
> > Unfortunately, Abraham has a deadly form of cancer. The tragedy that
> > has ensued since his diagnosis of Hodgkin's disease goes like this: He
> > voluntarily underwent chemotherapy, a physically punishing procedure
> > that can treat, but not cure, the cancer. After being physically
> > crushed, but temporarily relieved of the cancer, Abraham decided he
> > would not undergo the therapy again, with his parents' wishes, even if
> > it meant dying.
> >
> > The cancer did come back, and he stuck with his choice of not going
> > through with the chemo. Instead, with the help of his parents and
> > others, he discovered a legitimate, well-researched organic process of
> > treating Hodgkin's. But the government and medical establishment of
> > the United States adamantly opposed his choice. The impersonal powers
> > that be are saying that, at age 16, Abraham is unduly influenced by
> > his "unknowledgeable" parents, and that the treatment plan he wants to
> > be on is "deadly," compared with the chemotherapy.
> >
> > While it is not wrong that our government wants to protect minors that
> > are harmfully influenced by their parents, this case does not fall
> > under such circumstances. In fact, this case involving this boy has
> > nothing to do with bad parenting. This case is about our government
> > wielding its power in a dangerous and immoral way. This case is about
> > a boy being physically dominated and beaten by what many consider, and
> > rightfully so, the greatest country in world history. But our homeland
> > is not acting in a great way. It is acting in a way that better
> > conjures images of a totalitarian society such as the ones that exist
> > in stories such as 1984 by George Orwell, or the recent movie V for
> > Vendetta .
> >
> > The chemotherapy the government is forcing on Abraham does not cure
> > the cancer, and it treats it for only a short period of time, if at
> > all, in many instances.
>
> .
> The overall results of the treatment of Hodgkin's disease in Canada can be
> seen here
> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/Hodgkin'ssurvival.htm Even in
> the 1970s the *thirty year* survival was close to fifty per cent, and with
> improvements in treatment since then the results will be much better. With
> early disease the results are much better again --these figures include the
> most advanced and high grade cases.
>
> The results of the treatment of cancer via the Hoxsey treatment have been
> looked at by the University of Texas and fail to show definite activity
> against any kind of cancer. Their patients are poorly documented and
> followed up and they seem to die at the same rate as they would without the
> treatment.
> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/cancer/Alternative_studies.htm.
> This treatment has been about for over half a century. It is absurd to
> think that it is an effective treatment of established cancer, yet has been
> unable to produce any body of cured cancer patients in that time.
>
> So let's not confuse let the medical questions with the undoubted legal and
> ethical problems. Let's not obscure the fact that he has been lied to
> when the Biomedical centre claims over 80% cure rates..

And let's not bother ascribing any importance to a piece of dishonest
puff that includes such ridiculous statements as "The chemotherapy the
government is forcing on Abraham does not cure the cancer, and it
treats it for only a short period of time, if at all", something that
only a cursory glance at Pubmed shows to be nonsense, and describes
Hoxsey treatment as a "well-researched organic process of treating
Hodgkin's." I suppose we should be grateful he didn't write "curing
Hodgkin's".

The ethical problems are something else again; my instinct is that the
boy should be saved from the ignorance of his duped parents, but it's a
tough one, given that he is 16, not 6. Not old enough to make this sort
of decision, but I can't imagine anyone wanting to physically force
therapy on him, either. The thought is repugnant, even though we do it
all the time with younger kids, at the dentist alone.

Cathy

>
> Peter Moran
>
> www.cancerwatcher.com

Rich

August 15th 06, 08:12 AM

"cathyb" > wrote in message
ps.com...
>
> Peter Moran wrote:
>> "Ilena Rose" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Opinion
>> > A tragedy in our imperfect nation
>> > By Michael Simonson
>> >
>> > http://www.diamondbackonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/08/12/44dc4ab133004
>> >
>> > August 12, 2006
>> >
>> > A tragedy is occurring right this instant in the United States, right
>> > in Virginia, and it can be stopped. It involves a young man, by the
>> > name of Abraham Cherrix, 16, of Chincoteague, Va., who is being taken
>> > advantage of by the government and medical system of this country.
>> > Unfortunately, Abraham has a deadly form of cancer. The tragedy that
>> > has ensued since his diagnosis of Hodgkin's disease goes like this: He
>> > voluntarily underwent chemotherapy, a physically punishing procedure
>> > that can treat, but not cure, the cancer. After being physically
>> > crushed, but temporarily relieved of the cancer, Abraham decided he
>> > would not undergo the therapy again, with his parents' wishes, even if
>> > it meant dying.
>> >
>> > The cancer did come back, and he stuck with his choice of not going
>> > through with the chemo. Instead, with the help of his parents and
>> > others, he discovered a legitimate, well-researched organic process of
>> > treating Hodgkin's. But the government and medical establishment of
>> > the United States adamantly opposed his choice. The impersonal powers
>> > that be are saying that, at age 16, Abraham is unduly influenced by
>> > his "unknowledgeable" parents, and that the treatment plan he wants to
>> > be on is "deadly," compared with the chemotherapy.
>> >
>> > While it is not wrong that our government wants to protect minors that
>> > are harmfully influenced by their parents, this case does not fall
>> > under such circumstances. In fact, this case involving this boy has
>> > nothing to do with bad parenting. This case is about our government
>> > wielding its power in a dangerous and immoral way. This case is about
>> > a boy being physically dominated and beaten by what many consider, and
>> > rightfully so, the greatest country in world history. But our homeland
>> > is not acting in a great way. It is acting in a way that better
>> > conjures images of a totalitarian society such as the ones that exist
>> > in stories such as 1984 by George Orwell, or the recent movie V for
>> > Vendetta .
>> >
>> > The chemotherapy the government is forcing on Abraham does not cure
>> > the cancer, and it treats it for only a short period of time, if at
>> > all, in many instances.
>>
>> .
>> The overall results of the treatment of Hodgkin's disease in Canada can
>> be
>> seen here
>> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/Hodgkin'ssurvival.htm Even in
>> the 1970s the *thirty year* survival was close to fifty per cent, and
>> with
>> improvements in treatment since then the results will be much better.
>> With
>> early disease the results are much better again --these figures include
>> the
>> most advanced and high grade cases.
>>
>> The results of the treatment of cancer via the Hoxsey treatment have
>> been
>> looked at by the University of Texas and fail to show definite activity
>> against any kind of cancer. Their patients are poorly documented and
>> followed up and they seem to die at the same rate as they would without
>> the
>> treatment.
>> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/cancer/Alternative_studies.htm.
>> This treatment has been about for over half a century. It is absurd to
>> think that it is an effective treatment of established cancer, yet has
>> been
>> unable to produce any body of cured cancer patients in that time.
>>
>> So let's not confuse let the medical questions with the undoubted legal
>> and
>> ethical problems. Let's not obscure the fact that he has been lied to
>> when the Biomedical centre claims over 80% cure rates..
>
> And let's not bother ascribing any importance to a piece of dishonest
> puff that includes such ridiculous statements as "The chemotherapy the
> government is forcing on Abraham does not cure the cancer, and it
> treats it for only a short period of time, if at all", something that
> only a cursory glance at Pubmed shows to be nonsense, and describes
> Hoxsey treatment as a "well-researched organic process of treating
> Hodgkin's." I suppose we should be grateful he didn't write "curing
> Hodgkin's".
>
> The ethical problems are something else again; my instinct is that the
> boy should be saved from the ignorance of his duped parents, but it's a
> tough one, given that he is 16, not 6. Not old enough to make this sort
> of decision, but I can't imagine anyone wanting to physically force
> therapy on him, either. The thought is repugnant, even though we do it
> all the time with younger kids, at the dentist alone.

Yes, I do it every day with younger kids at work, though nearly always after
a "consent for treatment" has been signed by a parent. The exception is when
a treatment is deemed necessary to save life or limb, and then a court order
is necessary. In Abraham's case, the ethical issues are nowhere near clear.
It's obvious that the real reason he is refusing the chemotherapy is the
unpleasant side effects. The discomfort of treatment is the very thing we do
not allow to prevent treatment when it becomes necessary to give a child an
injection, force an oral medication, start an IV, suture a wound, or reduce
a fracture. It's also obvious that both Abraham and his parents have bought
into the lies that chemotherapy would kill him and the Hoxsey treatment
offers real hope for recovery. Whether Abraham should be protected by the
court from both his own and his parents' ignorance is a tough call. I'm glad
I'm not the judge for this case.
--

--Rich

Recommended websites:

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/

Jan Drew

August 15th 06, 08:28 AM

Alternative Cancer Protocols updated

http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=106

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Hoxsey&btnG=Google...

http://members.aol.com/publicoccurrence/hoxide/ward.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It is noted--you did NOT reply to IIena.

"cathyb" > wrote in message
ps.com...
>
> Peter Moran wrote:
>> "Ilena Rose" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Opinion
>> > A tragedy in our imperfect nation
>> > By Michael Simonson
>> >
>> > http://www.diamondbackonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/08/12/44dc4ab133004
>> >
>> > August 12, 2006
>> >
>> > A tragedy is occurring right this instant in the United States, right
>> > in Virginia, and it can be stopped. It involves a young man, by the
>> > name of Abraham Cherrix, 16, of Chincoteague, Va., who is being taken
>> > advantage of by the government and medical system of this country.
>> > Unfortunately, Abraham has a deadly form of cancer. The tragedy that
>> > has ensued since his diagnosis of Hodgkin's disease goes like this: He
>> > voluntarily underwent chemotherapy, a physically punishing procedure
>> > that can treat, but not cure, the cancer. After being physically
>> > crushed, but temporarily relieved of the cancer, Abraham decided he
>> > would not undergo the therapy again, with his parents' wishes, even if
>> > it meant dying.
>> >
>> > The cancer did come back, and he stuck with his choice of not going
>> > through with the chemo. Instead, with the help of his parents and
>> > others, he discovered a legitimate, well-researched organic process of
>> > treating Hodgkin's. But the government and medical establishment of
>> > the United States adamantly opposed his choice. The impersonal powers
>> > that be are saying that, at age 16, Abraham is unduly influenced by
>> > his "unknowledgeable" parents, and that the treatment plan he wants to
>> > be on is "deadly," compared with the chemotherapy.
>> >
>> > While it is not wrong that our government wants to protect minors that
>> > are harmfully influenced by their parents, this case does not fall
>> > under such circumstances. In fact, this case involving this boy has
>> > nothing to do with bad parenting. This case is about our government
>> > wielding its power in a dangerous and immoral way. This case is about
>> > a boy being physically dominated and beaten by what many consider, and
>> > rightfully so, the greatest country in world history. But our homeland
>> > is not acting in a great way. It is acting in a way that better
>> > conjures images of a totalitarian society such as the ones that exist
>> > in stories such as 1984 by George Orwell, or the recent movie V for
>> > Vendetta .
>> >
>> > The chemotherapy the government is forcing on Abraham does not cure
>> > the cancer, and it treats it for only a short period of time, if at
>> > all, in many instances.
>>
>> .
>> The overall results of the treatment of Hodgkin's disease in Canada can
>> be
>> seen here
>> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/Hodgkin'ssurvival.htm Even in
>> the 1970s the *thirty year* survival was close to fifty per cent, and
>> with
>> improvements in treatment since then the results will be much better.
>> With
>> early disease the results are much better again --these figures include
>> the
>> most advanced and high grade cases.
>>
>> The results of the treatment of cancer via the Hoxsey treatment have
>> been
>> looked at by the University of Texas and fail to show definite activity
>> against any kind of cancer. Their patients are poorly documented and
>> followed up and they seem to die at the same rate as they would without
>> the
>> treatment.
>> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/cancer/Alternative_studies.htm.
>> This treatment has been about for over half a century. It is absurd to
>> think that it is an effective treatment of established cancer, yet has
>> been
>> unable to produce any body of cured cancer patients in that time.
>>
>> So let's not confuse let the medical questions with the undoubted legal
>> and
>> ethical problems. Let's not obscure the fact that he has been lied to
>> when the Biomedical centre claims over 80% cure rates..
>
> And let's not bother ascribing any importance to a piece of dishonest
> puff that includes such ridiculous statements as "The chemotherapy the
> government is forcing on Abraham does not cure the cancer, and it
> treats it for only a short period of time, if at all", something that
> only a cursory glance at Pubmed shows to be nonsense, and describes
> Hoxsey treatment as a "well-researched organic process of treating
> Hodgkin's." I suppose we should be grateful he didn't write "curing
> Hodgkin's".
>
> The ethical problems are something else again; my instinct is that the
> boy should be saved from the ignorance of his duped parents, but it's a
> tough one, given that he is 16, not 6. Not old enough to make this sort
> of decision, but I can't imagine anyone wanting to physically force
> therapy on him, either. The thought is repugnant, even though we do it
> all the time with younger kids, at the dentist alone.
>
> Cathy
>
>>
>> Peter Moran
>>
>> www.cancerwatcher.com
>

cathyb

August 15th 06, 08:32 AM

Rich wrote:
> "cathyb" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
> >
> > Peter Moran wrote:
> >> "Ilena Rose" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Opinion
> >> > A tragedy in our imperfect nation
> >> > By Michael Simonson
> >> >
> >> > http://www.diamondbackonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/08/12/44dc4ab133004
> >> >
> >> > August 12, 2006
> >> >
> >> > A tragedy is occurring right this instant in the United States, right
> >> > in Virginia, and it can be stopped. It involves a young man, by the
> >> > name of Abraham Cherrix, 16, of Chincoteague, Va., who is being taken
> >> > advantage of by the government and medical system of this country.
> >> > Unfortunately, Abraham has a deadly form of cancer. The tragedy that
> >> > has ensued since his diagnosis of Hodgkin's disease goes like this: He
> >> > voluntarily underwent chemotherapy, a physically punishing procedure
> >> > that can treat, but not cure, the cancer. After being physically
> >> > crushed, but temporarily relieved of the cancer, Abraham decided he
> >> > would not undergo the therapy again, with his parents' wishes, even if
> >> > it meant dying.
> >> >
> >> > The cancer did come back, and he stuck with his choice of not going
> >> > through with the chemo. Instead, with the help of his parents and
> >> > others, he discovered a legitimate, well-researched organic process of
> >> > treating Hodgkin's. But the government and medical establishment of
> >> > the United States adamantly opposed his choice. The impersonal powers
> >> > that be are saying that, at age 16, Abraham is unduly influenced by
> >> > his "unknowledgeable" parents, and that the treatment plan he wants to
> >> > be on is "deadly," compared with the chemotherapy.
> >> >
> >> > While it is not wrong that our government wants to protect minors that
> >> > are harmfully influenced by their parents, this case does not fall
> >> > under such circumstances. In fact, this case involving this boy has
> >> > nothing to do with bad parenting. This case is about our government
> >> > wielding its power in a dangerous and immoral way. This case is about
> >> > a boy being physically dominated and beaten by what many consider, and
> >> > rightfully so, the greatest country in world history. But our homeland
> >> > is not acting in a great way. It is acting in a way that better
> >> > conjures images of a totalitarian society such as the ones that exist
> >> > in stories such as 1984 by George Orwell, or the recent movie V for
> >> > Vendetta .
> >> >
> >> > The chemotherapy the government is forcing on Abraham does not cure
> >> > the cancer, and it treats it for only a short period of time, if at
> >> > all, in many instances.
> >>
> >> .
> >> The overall results of the treatment of Hodgkin's disease in Canada can
> >> be
> >> seen here
> >> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/Hodgkin'ssurvival.htm Even in
> >> the 1970s the *thirty year* survival was close to fifty per cent, and
> >> with
> >> improvements in treatment since then the results will be much better.
> >> With
> >> early disease the results are much better again --these figures include
> >> the
> >> most advanced and high grade cases.
> >>
> >> The results of the treatment of cancer via the Hoxsey treatment have
> >> been
> >> looked at by the University of Texas and fail to show definite activity
> >> against any kind of cancer. Their patients are poorly documented and
> >> followed up and they seem to die at the same rate as they would without
> >> the
> >> treatment.
> >> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/cancer/Alternative_studies.htm.
> >> This treatment has been about for over half a century. It is absurd to
> >> think that it is an effective treatment of established cancer, yet has
> >> been
> >> unable to produce any body of cured cancer patients in that time.
> >>
> >> So let's not confuse let the medical questions with the undoubted legal
> >> and
> >> ethical problems. Let's not obscure the fact that he has been lied to
> >> when the Biomedical centre claims over 80% cure rates..
> >
> > And let's not bother ascribing any importance to a piece of dishonest
> > puff that includes such ridiculous statements as "The chemotherapy the
> > government is forcing on Abraham does not cure the cancer, and it
> > treats it for only a short period of time, if at all", something that
> > only a cursory glance at Pubmed shows to be nonsense, and describes
> > Hoxsey treatment as a "well-researched organic process of treating
> > Hodgkin's." I suppose we should be grateful he didn't write "curing
> > Hodgkin's".
> >
> > The ethical problems are something else again; my instinct is that the
> > boy should be saved from the ignorance of his duped parents, but it's a
> > tough one, given that he is 16, not 6. Not old enough to make this sort
> > of decision, but I can't imagine anyone wanting to physically force
> > therapy on him, either. The thought is repugnant, even though we do it
> > all the time with younger kids, at the dentist alone.
>
> Yes, I do it every day with younger kids at work, though nearly always after
> a "consent for treatment" has been signed by a parent. The exception is when
> a treatment is deemed necessary to save life or limb, and then a court order
> is necessary. In Abraham's case, the ethical issues are nowhere near clear.
> It's obvious that the real reason he is refusing the chemotherapy is the
> unpleasant side effects. The discomfort of treatment is the very thing we do
> not allow to prevent treatment when it becomes necessary to give a child an
> injection, force an oral medication, start an IV, suture a wound, or reduce
> a fracture. It's also obvious that both Abraham and his parents have bought
> into the lies that chemotherapy would kill him and the Hoxsey treatment
> offers real hope for recovery. Whether Abraham should be protected by the
> court from both his own and his parents' ignorance is a tough call. I'm glad
> I'm not the judge for this case.

Me too, although the toughest case I've ever come across was in
Britain:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/937586.stm

This was a case of conjoined twins whose RC parents had refused to
allow the operation to separate them on religious grounds, because one
twin would certainly die (there was only one heart and pair of lungs, I
believe). Both twins would have died without the operation because the
heart would not be able to sustain both bodies.

The judge decided it was morally preferable to have one twin survive,
even if it meant killing the other, because the weaker twin was
essentially a parasite on her sister. He said that although the surgery
was obviously not in her best interests, that:

"Though Mary has a right to life, she has little right to be alive. She
is alive because, and only because, to put it bluntly but nonetheless
accurately she sucks the lifeblood of Jodie and her parasitic living
will soon be the cause of Jodie ceasing to live. Jodie is entitled to
protest that Mary is killing her."

The judgement was really interesting (it's on the site above), and the
judge had a bit of a whine about it being a tough decision, before he
pointed out that's what judges are for.

For what it's worth, I agreed with the decision. I would guess that the
parents were glad to have had it taken out their hands in retrospect;
the responsibility was no longer theirs, and they still have one of
their daughters. But I could easily be wrong.

Cathy

> --
>
>
> --Rich
>
> Recommended websites:
>
> http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
> http://www.acahf.org.au
> http://www.quackwatch.org/
> http://www.skeptic.com/
> http://www.csicop.org/

cathyb

August 15th 06, 09:13 AM

Jan Drew wrote:
> Alternative Cancer Protocols updated
>
> http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=106
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Hoxsey&btnG=Google...
>
> http://members.aol.com/publicoccurrence/hoxide/ward.html
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> It is noted--you did NOT reply to IIena.

It is noted that you have absolutely nothing to say on this topic, Jan,
so you're reduced to posting nonsense again. What are you whiffling
about?

>
>
>
>
> "cathyb" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
> >
> > Peter Moran wrote:
> >> "Ilena Rose" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Opinion
> >> > A tragedy in our imperfect nation
> >> > By Michael Simonson
> >> >
> >> > http://www.diamondbackonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/08/12/44dc4ab133004
> >> >
> >> > August 12, 2006
> >> >
> >> > A tragedy is occurring right this instant in the United States, right
> >> > in Virginia, and it can be stopped. It involves a young man, by the
> >> > name of Abraham Cherrix, 16, of Chincoteague, Va., who is being taken
> >> > advantage of by the government and medical system of this country.
> >> > Unfortunately, Abraham has a deadly form of cancer. The tragedy that
> >> > has ensued since his diagnosis of Hodgkin's disease goes like this: He
> >> > voluntarily underwent chemotherapy, a physically punishing procedure
> >> > that can treat, but not cure, the cancer. After being physically
> >> > crushed, but temporarily relieved of the cancer, Abraham decided he
> >> > would not undergo the therapy again, with his parents' wishes, even if
> >> > it meant dying.
> >> >
> >> > The cancer did come back, and he stuck with his choice of not going
> >> > through with the chemo. Instead, with the help of his parents and
> >> > others, he discovered a legitimate, well-researched organic process of
> >> > treating Hodgkin's. But the government and medical establishment of
> >> > the United States adamantly opposed his choice. The impersonal powers
> >> > that be are saying that, at age 16, Abraham is unduly influenced by
> >> > his "unknowledgeable" parents, and that the treatment plan he wants to
> >> > be on is "deadly," compared with the chemotherapy.
> >> >
> >> > While it is not wrong that our government wants to protect minors that
> >> > are harmfully influenced by their parents, this case does not fall
> >> > under such circumstances. In fact, this case involving this boy has
> >> > nothing to do with bad parenting. This case is about our government
> >> > wielding its power in a dangerous and immoral way. This case is about
> >> > a boy being physically dominated and beaten by what many consider, and
> >> > rightfully so, the greatest country in world history. But our homeland
> >> > is not acting in a great way. It is acting in a way that better
> >> > conjures images of a totalitarian society such as the ones that exist
> >> > in stories such as 1984 by George Orwell, or the recent movie V for
> >> > Vendetta .
> >> >
> >> > The chemotherapy the government is forcing on Abraham does not cure
> >> > the cancer, and it treats it for only a short period of time, if at
> >> > all, in many instances.
> >>
> >> .
> >> The overall results of the treatment of Hodgkin's disease in Canada can
> >> be
> >> seen here
> >> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/Hodgkin'ssurvival.htm Even in
> >> the 1970s the *thirty year* survival was close to fifty per cent, and
> >> with
> >> improvements in treatment since then the results will be much better.
> >> With
> >> early disease the results are much better again --these figures include
> >> the
> >> most advanced and high grade cases.
> >>
> >> The results of the treatment of cancer via the Hoxsey treatment have
> >> been
> >> looked at by the University of Texas and fail to show definite activity
> >> against any kind of cancer. Their patients are poorly documented and
> >> followed up and they seem to die at the same rate as they would without
> >> the
> >> treatment.
> >> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/cancer/Alternative_studies.htm.
> >> This treatment has been about for over half a century. It is absurd to
> >> think that it is an effective treatment of established cancer, yet has
> >> been
> >> unable to produce any body of cured cancer patients in that time.
> >>
> >> So let's not confuse let the medical questions with the undoubted legal
> >> and
> >> ethical problems. Let's not obscure the fact that he has been lied to
> >> when the Biomedical centre claims over 80% cure rates..
> >
> > And let's not bother ascribing any importance to a piece of dishonest
> > puff that includes such ridiculous statements as "The chemotherapy the
> > government is forcing on Abraham does not cure the cancer, and it
> > treats it for only a short period of time, if at all", something that
> > only a cursory glance at Pubmed shows to be nonsense, and describes
> > Hoxsey treatment as a "well-researched organic process of treating
> > Hodgkin's." I suppose we should be grateful he didn't write "curing
> > Hodgkin's".
> >
> > The ethical problems are something else again; my instinct is that the
> > boy should be saved from the ignorance of his duped parents, but it's a
> > tough one, given that he is 16, not 6. Not old enough to make this sort
> > of decision, but I can't imagine anyone wanting to physically force
> > therapy on him, either. The thought is repugnant, even though we do it
> > all the time with younger kids, at the dentist alone.
> >
> > Cathy
> >
> >>
> >> Peter Moran
> >>
> >> www.cancerwatcher.com
> >

Jan Drew

August 15th 06, 07:34 PM

*his parents have bought
into the lies that chemotherapy would kill him and the Hoxsey treatment
offers real hope for recovery.*

Sure glad you are not judging.

"Rich" > wrote in message
...
>
> "cathyb" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
>>
>> Peter Moran wrote:
>>> "Ilena Rose" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > Opinion
>>> > A tragedy in our imperfect nation
>>> > By Michael Simonson
>>> >
>>> > http://www.diamondbackonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/08/12/44dc4ab133004
>>> >
>>> > August 12, 2006
>>> >
>>> > A tragedy is occurring right this instant in the United States, right
>>> > in Virginia, and it can be stopped. It involves a young man, by the
>>> > name of Abraham Cherrix, 16, of Chincoteague, Va., who is being taken
>>> > advantage of by the government and medical system of this country.
>>> > Unfortunately, Abraham has a deadly form of cancer. The tragedy that
>>> > has ensued since his diagnosis of Hodgkin's disease goes like this: He
>>> > voluntarily underwent chemotherapy, a physically punishing procedure
>>> > that can treat, but not cure, the cancer. After being physically
>>> > crushed, but temporarily relieved of the cancer, Abraham decided he
>>> > would not undergo the therapy again, with his parents' wishes, even if
>>> > it meant dying.
>>> >
>>> > The cancer did come back, and he stuck with his choice of not going
>>> > through with the chemo. Instead, with the help of his parents and
>>> > others, he discovered a legitimate, well-researched organic process of
>>> > treating Hodgkin's. But the government and medical establishment of
>>> > the United States adamantly opposed his choice. The impersonal powers
>>> > that be are saying that, at age 16, Abraham is unduly influenced by
>>> > his "unknowledgeable" parents, and that the treatment plan he wants to
>>> > be on is "deadly," compared with the chemotherapy.
>>> >
>>> > While it is not wrong that our government wants to protect minors that
>>> > are harmfully influenced by their parents, this case does not fall
>>> > under such circumstances. In fact, this case involving this boy has
>>> > nothing to do with bad parenting. This case is about our government
>>> > wielding its power in a dangerous and immoral way. This case is about
>>> > a boy being physically dominated and beaten by what many consider, and
>>> > rightfully so, the greatest country in world history. But our homeland
>>> > is not acting in a great way. It is acting in a way that better
>>> > conjures images of a totalitarian society such as the ones that exist
>>> > in stories such as 1984 by George Orwell, or the recent movie V for
>>> > Vendetta .
>>> >
>>> > The chemotherapy the government is forcing on Abraham does not cure
>>> > the cancer, and it treats it for only a short period of time, if at
>>> > all, in many instances.
>>>
>>> .
>>> The overall results of the treatment of Hodgkin's disease in Canada can
>>> be
>>> seen here
>>> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/Hodgkin'ssurvival.htm Even
>>> in
>>> the 1970s the *thirty year* survival was close to fifty per cent, and
>>> with
>>> improvements in treatment since then the results will be much better.
>>> With
>>> early disease the results are much better again --these figures include
>>> the
>>> most advanced and high grade cases.
>>>
>>> The results of the treatment of cancer via the Hoxsey treatment have
>>> been
>>> looked at by the University of Texas and fail to show definite activity
>>> against any kind of cancer. Their patients are poorly documented and
>>> followed up and they seem to die at the same rate as they would without
>>> the
>>> treatment.
>>> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/cancer/Alternative_studies.htm.
>>> This treatment has been about for over half a century. It is absurd to
>>> think that it is an effective treatment of established cancer, yet has
>>> been
>>> unable to produce any body of cured cancer patients in that time.
>>>
>>> So let's not confuse let the medical questions with the undoubted legal
>>> and
>>> ethical problems. Let's not obscure the fact that he has been lied to
>>> when the Biomedical centre claims over 80% cure rates..
>>
>> And let's not bother ascribing any importance to a piece of dishonest
>> puff that includes such ridiculous statements as "The chemotherapy the
>> government is forcing on Abraham does not cure the cancer, and it
>> treats it for only a short period of time, if at all", something that
>> only a cursory glance at Pubmed shows to be nonsense, and describes
>> Hoxsey treatment as a "well-researched organic process of treating
>> Hodgkin's." I suppose we should be grateful he didn't write "curing
>> Hodgkin's".
>>
>> The ethical problems are something else again; my instinct is that the
>> boy should be saved from the ignorance of his duped parents, but it's a
>> tough one, given that he is 16, not 6. Not old enough to make this sort
>> of decision, but I can't imagine anyone wanting to physically force
>> therapy on him, either. The thought is repugnant, even though we do it
>> all the time with younger kids, at the dentist alone.
>
> Yes, I do it every day with younger kids at work, though nearly always
> after a "consent for treatment" has been signed by a parent. The exception
> is when a treatment is deemed necessary to save life or limb, and then a
> court order is necessary. In Abraham's case, the ethical issues are
> nowhere near clear. It's obvious that the real reason he is refusing the
> chemotherapy is the unpleasant side effects. The discomfort of treatment
> is the very thing we do not allow to prevent treatment when it becomes
> necessary to give a child an injection, force an oral medication, start an
> IV, suture a wound, or reduce a fracture. It's also obvious that both
> Abraham and his parents have bought into the lies that chemotherapy would
> kill him and the Hoxsey treatment offers real hope for recovery. Whether
> Abraham should be protected by the court from both his own and his
> parents' ignorance is a tough call. I'm glad I'm not the judge for this
> case.
> --
>
>
> --Rich

Jan Drew

August 15th 06, 07:37 PM

"cathyb" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Jan Drew wrote:
>> Alternative Cancer Protocols updated
>>
>> http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=106
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Hoxsey&btnG=Google...
>>
>> http://members.aol.com/publicoccurrence/hoxide/ward.html
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> It is noted--you did NOT reply to IIena.
>
> It is noted that you have absolutely nothing to say on this topic, Jan,
> so you're reduced to posting nonsense again. What are you whiffling
> about?

That would be *another LIE*.

>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "cathyb" > wrote in message
>> ps.com...
>> >
>> > Peter Moran wrote:
>> >> "Ilena Rose" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > Opinion
>> >> > A tragedy in our imperfect nation
>> >> > By Michael Simonson
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.diamondbackonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/08/12/44dc4ab133004
>> >> >
>> >> > August 12, 2006
>> >> >
>> >> > A tragedy is occurring right this instant in the United States,
>> >> > right
>> >> > in Virginia, and it can be stopped. It involves a young man, by the
>> >> > name of Abraham Cherrix, 16, of Chincoteague, Va., who is being
>> >> > taken
>> >> > advantage of by the government and medical system of this country.
>> >> > Unfortunately, Abraham has a deadly form of cancer. The tragedy that
>> >> > has ensued since his diagnosis of Hodgkin's disease goes like this:
>> >> > He
>> >> > voluntarily underwent chemotherapy, a physically punishing procedure
>> >> > that can treat, but not cure, the cancer. After being physically
>> >> > crushed, but temporarily relieved of the cancer, Abraham decided he
>> >> > would not undergo the therapy again, with his parents' wishes, even
>> >> > if
>> >> > it meant dying.
>> >> >
>> >> > The cancer did come back, and he stuck with his choice of not going
>> >> > through with the chemo. Instead, with the help of his parents and
>> >> > others, he discovered a legitimate, well-researched organic process
>> >> > of
>> >> > treating Hodgkin's. But the government and medical establishment of
>> >> > the United States adamantly opposed his choice. The impersonal
>> >> > powers
>> >> > that be are saying that, at age 16, Abraham is unduly influenced by
>> >> > his "unknowledgeable" parents, and that the treatment plan he wants
>> >> > to
>> >> > be on is "deadly," compared with the chemotherapy.
>> >> >
>> >> > While it is not wrong that our government wants to protect minors
>> >> > that
>> >> > are harmfully influenced by their parents, this case does not fall
>> >> > under such circumstances. In fact, this case involving this boy has
>> >> > nothing to do with bad parenting. This case is about our government
>> >> > wielding its power in a dangerous and immoral way. This case is
>> >> > about
>> >> > a boy being physically dominated and beaten by what many consider,
>> >> > and
>> >> > rightfully so, the greatest country in world history. But our
>> >> > homeland
>> >> > is not acting in a great way. It is acting in a way that better
>> >> > conjures images of a totalitarian society such as the ones that
>> >> > exist
>> >> > in stories such as 1984 by George Orwell, or the recent movie V for
>> >> > Vendetta .
>> >> >
>> >> > The chemotherapy the government is forcing on Abraham does not cure
>> >> > the cancer, and it treats it for only a short period of time, if at
>> >> > all, in many instances.
>> >>
>> >> .
>> >> The overall results of the treatment of Hodgkin's disease in Canada
>> >> can
>> >> be
>> >> seen here
>> >> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/Hodgkin'ssurvival.htm Even
>> >> in
>> >> the 1970s the *thirty year* survival was close to fifty per cent, and
>> >> with
>> >> improvements in treatment since then the results will be much better.
>> >> With
>> >> early disease the results are much better again --these figures
>> >> include
>> >> the
>> >> most advanced and high grade cases.
>> >>
>> >> The results of the treatment of cancer via the Hoxsey treatment have
>> >> been
>> >> looked at by the University of Texas and fail to show definite
>> >> activity
>> >> against any kind of cancer. Their patients are poorly documented and
>> >> followed up and they seem to die at the same rate as they would
>> >> without
>> >> the
>> >> treatment.
>> >> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/cancer/Alternative_studies.htm.
>> >> This treatment has been about for over half a century. It is absurd
>> >> to
>> >> think that it is an effective treatment of established cancer, yet
>> >> has
>> >> been
>> >> unable to produce any body of cured cancer patients in that time.
>> >>
>> >> So let's not confuse let the medical questions with the undoubted
>> >> legal
>> >> and
>> >> ethical problems. Let's not obscure the fact that he has been lied
>> >> to
>> >> when the Biomedical centre claims over 80% cure rates..
>> >
>> > And let's not bother ascribing any importance to a piece of dishonest
>> > puff that includes such ridiculous statements as "The chemotherapy the
>> > government is forcing on Abraham does not cure the cancer, and it
>> > treats it for only a short period of time, if at all", something that
>> > only a cursory glance at Pubmed shows to be nonsense, and describes
>> > Hoxsey treatment as a "well-researched organic process of treating
>> > Hodgkin's." I suppose we should be grateful he didn't write "curing
>> > Hodgkin's".
>> >
>> > The ethical problems are something else again; my instinct is that the
>> > boy should be saved from the ignorance of his duped parents, but it's a
>> > tough one, given that he is 16, not 6. Not old enough to make this sort
>> > of decision, but I can't imagine anyone wanting to physically force
>> > therapy on him, either. The thought is repugnant, even though we do it
>> > all the time with younger kids, at the dentist alone.
>> >
>> > Cathy
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Peter Moran
>> >>
>> >> www.cancerwatcher.com
>> >
>

Mark Probert

August 15th 06, 09:36 PM

Rich wrote:
> "cathyb" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
>> Peter Moran wrote:
>>> "Ilena Rose" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Opinion
>>>> A tragedy in our imperfect nation
>>>> By Michael Simonson
>>>>
>>>> http://www.diamondbackonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/08/12/44dc4ab133004
>>>>
>>>> August 12, 2006
>>>>
>>>> A tragedy is occurring right this instant in the United States, right
>>>> in Virginia, and it can be stopped. It involves a young man, by the
>>>> name of Abraham Cherrix, 16, of Chincoteague, Va., who is being taken
>>>> advantage of by the government and medical system of this country.
>>>> Unfortunately, Abraham has a deadly form of cancer. The tragedy that
>>>> has ensued since his diagnosis of Hodgkin's disease goes like this: He
>>>> voluntarily underwent chemotherapy, a physically punishing procedure
>>>> that can treat, but not cure, the cancer. After being physically
>>>> crushed, but temporarily relieved of the cancer, Abraham decided he
>>>> would not undergo the therapy again, with his parents' wishes, even if
>>>> it meant dying.
>>>>
>>>> The cancer did come back, and he stuck with his choice of not going
>>>> through with the chemo. Instead, with the help of his parents and
>>>> others, he discovered a legitimate, well-researched organic process of
>>>> treating Hodgkin's. But the government and medical establishment of
>>>> the United States adamantly opposed his choice. The impersonal powers
>>>> that be are saying that, at age 16, Abraham is unduly influenced by
>>>> his "unknowledgeable" parents, and that the treatment plan he wants to
>>>> be on is "deadly," compared with the chemotherapy.
>>>>
>>>> While it is not wrong that our government wants to protect minors that
>>>> are harmfully influenced by their parents, this case does not fall
>>>> under such circumstances. In fact, this case involving this boy has
>>>> nothing to do with bad parenting. This case is about our government
>>>> wielding its power in a dangerous and immoral way. This case is about
>>>> a boy being physically dominated and beaten by what many consider, and
>>>> rightfully so, the greatest country in world history. But our homeland
>>>> is not acting in a great way. It is acting in a way that better
>>>> conjures images of a totalitarian society such as the ones that exist
>>>> in stories such as 1984 by George Orwell, or the recent movie V for
>>>> Vendetta .
>>>>
>>>> The chemotherapy the government is forcing on Abraham does not cure
>>>> the cancer, and it treats it for only a short period of time, if at
>>>> all, in many instances.
>>> .
>>> The overall results of the treatment of Hodgkin's disease in Canada can
>>> be
>>> seen here
>>> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/Hodgkin'ssurvival.htm Even in
>>> the 1970s the *thirty year* survival was close to fifty per cent, and
>>> with
>>> improvements in treatment since then the results will be much better.
>>> With
>>> early disease the results are much better again --these figures include
>>> the
>>> most advanced and high grade cases.
>>>
>>> The results of the treatment of cancer via the Hoxsey treatment have
>>> been
>>> looked at by the University of Texas and fail to show definite activity
>>> against any kind of cancer. Their patients are poorly documented and
>>> followed up and they seem to die at the same rate as they would without
>>> the
>>> treatment.
>>> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/cancer/Alternative_studies.htm.
>>> This treatment has been about for over half a century. It is absurd to
>>> think that it is an effective treatment of established cancer, yet has
>>> been
>>> unable to produce any body of cured cancer patients in that time.
>>>
>>> So let's not confuse let the medical questions with the undoubted legal
>>> and
>>> ethical problems. Let's not obscure the fact that he has been lied to
>>> when the Biomedical centre claims over 80% cure rates..
>> And let's not bother ascribing any importance to a piece of dishonest
>> puff that includes such ridiculous statements as "The chemotherapy the
>> government is forcing on Abraham does not cure the cancer, and it
>> treats it for only a short period of time, if at all", something that
>> only a cursory glance at Pubmed shows to be nonsense, and describes
>> Hoxsey treatment as a "well-researched organic process of treating
>> Hodgkin's." I suppose we should be grateful he didn't write "curing
>> Hodgkin's".
>>
>> The ethical problems are something else again; my instinct is that the
>> boy should be saved from the ignorance of his duped parents, but it's a
>> tough one, given that he is 16, not 6. Not old enough to make this sort
>> of decision, but I can't imagine anyone wanting to physically force
>> therapy on him, either. The thought is repugnant, even though we do it
>> all the time with younger kids, at the dentist alone.
>
> Yes, I do it every day with younger kids at work, though nearly always after
> a "consent for treatment" has been signed by a parent. The exception is when
> a treatment is deemed necessary to save life or limb, and then a court order
> is necessary. In Abraham's case, the ethical issues are nowhere near clear.
> It's obvious that the real reason he is refusing the chemotherapy is the
> unpleasant side effects. The discomfort of treatment is the very thing we do
> not allow to prevent treatment when it becomes necessary to give a child an
> injection, force an oral medication, start an IV, suture a wound, or reduce
> a fracture. It's also obvious that both Abraham and his parents have bought
> into the lies that chemotherapy would kill him and the Hoxsey treatment
> offers real hope for recovery. Whether Abraham should be protected by the
> court from both his own and his parents' ignorance is a tough call. I'm glad
> I'm not the judge for this case.

Sadly, someone has convinced Abraham that when he dies of the lymphoma,
he will not be sick, it will be benign and peaceful and he will die at
home.

He may have one out of the three correctly.

Those who lied to him have committed murder just assuredly the same as
anyone who picks up a gun and puts a 9 mm into the base of a skull. They
should be prosecuted for homicide.

Peter Moran

August 15th 06, 09:37 PM

"Jan Drew" > wrote in message
...
> *his parents have bought
> into the lies that chemotherapy would kill him and the Hoxsey treatment
> offers real hope for recovery.*
>
> Sure glad you are not judging.
>

Jan, where is *your* evidence that chemotherapy would kill him? How do YOU
know that he was not even being primed up by his parents to be intolerant of
temporary effects that many other cancer patients have gone many times and
found tolerable for the short time that they last?

This time his treatment would not even be the same. It would include
radiotherapy, and this being a very radiosensitive cancer, that alone
should eliminate the glands around his wind pipe that threaten to choke him
if allowed to progress. Any chemotherapy will be directed mainly to deal
with any disease outside the irradiated area.

Peter Moran

www.cancerwatcher.com.

Mark Probert

August 15th 06, 09:46 PM

Peter Moran wrote:

> where is *your* evidence that chemotherapy would kill him?

Good question. PeteyB and others have made the claim, but, no proof that
this is so.

How do YOU
> know that he was not even being primed up by his parents to be intolerant of
> temporary effects that many other cancer patients have gone many times and
> found tolerable for the short time that they last?
>
> This time his treatment would not even be the same. It would include
> radiotherapy, and this being a very radiosensitive cancer, that alone
> should eliminate the glands around his wind pipe that threaten to choke him
> if allowed to progress. Any chemotherapy will be directed mainly to deal
> with any disease outside the irradiated area.

IOW, past experience is not a predictor of future experience. A point I
made, but the pro-death lobby ignored it.

Rich

August 16th 06, 01:06 AM

"Mark Probert" > wrote in message
...
> Rich wrote:
>> "cathyb" > wrote in message
>> ps.com...
>>> Peter Moran wrote:
>>>> "Ilena Rose" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Opinion
>>>>> A tragedy in our imperfect nation
>>>>> By Michael Simonson
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.diamondbackonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/08/12/44dc4ab133004
>>>>>
>>>>> August 12, 2006
>>>>>
>>>>> A tragedy is occurring right this instant in the United States, right
>>>>> in Virginia, and it can be stopped. It involves a young man, by the
>>>>> name of Abraham Cherrix, 16, of Chincoteague, Va., who is being taken
>>>>> advantage of by the government and medical system of this country.
>>>>> Unfortunately, Abraham has a deadly form of cancer. The tragedy that
>>>>> has ensued since his diagnosis of Hodgkin's disease goes like this: He
>>>>> voluntarily underwent chemotherapy, a physically punishing procedure
>>>>> that can treat, but not cure, the cancer. After being physically
>>>>> crushed, but temporarily relieved of the cancer, Abraham decided he
>>>>> would not undergo the therapy again, with his parents' wishes, even if
>>>>> it meant dying.
>>>>>
>>>>> The cancer did come back, and he stuck with his choice of not going
>>>>> through with the chemo. Instead, with the help of his parents and
>>>>> others, he discovered a legitimate, well-researched organic process of
>>>>> treating Hodgkin's. But the government and medical establishment of
>>>>> the United States adamantly opposed his choice. The impersonal powers
>>>>> that be are saying that, at age 16, Abraham is unduly influenced by
>>>>> his "unknowledgeable" parents, and that the treatment plan he wants to
>>>>> be on is "deadly," compared with the chemotherapy.
>>>>>
>>>>> While it is not wrong that our government wants to protect minors that
>>>>> are harmfully influenced by their parents, this case does not fall
>>>>> under such circumstances. In fact, this case involving this boy has
>>>>> nothing to do with bad parenting. This case is about our government
>>>>> wielding its power in a dangerous and immoral way. This case is about
>>>>> a boy being physically dominated and beaten by what many consider, and
>>>>> rightfully so, the greatest country in world history. But our homeland
>>>>> is not acting in a great way. It is acting in a way that better
>>>>> conjures images of a totalitarian society such as the ones that exist
>>>>> in stories such as 1984 by George Orwell, or the recent movie V for
>>>>> Vendetta .
>>>>>
>>>>> The chemotherapy the government is forcing on Abraham does not cure
>>>>> the cancer, and it treats it for only a short period of time, if at
>>>>> all, in many instances.
>>>> .
>>>> The overall results of the treatment of Hodgkin's disease in Canada can
>>>> be
>>>> seen here
>>>> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/Hodgkin'ssurvival.htm Even
>>>> in
>>>> the 1970s the *thirty year* survival was close to fifty per cent, and
>>>> with
>>>> improvements in treatment since then the results will be much better.
>>>> With
>>>> early disease the results are much better again --these figures include
>>>> the
>>>> most advanced and high grade cases.
>>>>
>>>> The results of the treatment of cancer via the Hoxsey treatment have
>>>> been
>>>> looked at by the University of Texas and fail to show definite activity
>>>> against any kind of cancer. Their patients are poorly documented and
>>>> followed up and they seem to die at the same rate as they would without
>>>> the
>>>> treatment.
>>>> http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/cancer/Alternative_studies.htm.
>>>> This treatment has been about for over half a century. It is absurd
>>>> to
>>>> think that it is an effective treatment of established cancer, yet has
>>>> been
>>>> unable to produce any body of cured cancer patients in that time.
>>>>
>>>> So let's not confuse let the medical questions with the undoubted legal
>>>> and
>>>> ethical problems. Let's not obscure the fact that he has been lied
>>>> to
>>>> when the Biomedical centre claims over 80% cure rates..
>>> And let's not bother ascribing any importance to a piece of dishonest
>>> puff that includes such ridiculous statements as "The chemotherapy the
>>> government is forcing on Abraham does not cure the cancer, and it
>>> treats it for only a short period of time, if at all", something that
>>> only a cursory glance at Pubmed shows to be nonsense, and describes
>>> Hoxsey treatment as a "well-researched organic process of treating
>>> Hodgkin's." I suppose we should be grateful he didn't write "curing
>>> Hodgkin's".
>>>
>>> The ethical problems are something else again; my instinct is that the
>>> boy should be saved from the ignorance of his duped parents, but it's a
>>> tough one, given that he is 16, not 6. Not old enough to make this sort
>>> of decision, but I can't imagine anyone wanting to physically force
>>> therapy on him, either. The thought is repugnant, even though we do it
>>> all the time with younger kids, at the dentist alone.
>>
>> Yes, I do it every day with younger kids at work, though nearly always
>> after a "consent for treatment" has been signed by a parent. The
>> exception is when a treatment is deemed necessary to save life or limb,
>> and then a court order is necessary. In Abraham's case, the ethical
>> issues are nowhere near clear. It's obvious that the real reason he is
>> refusing the chemotherapy is the unpleasant side effects. The discomfort
>> of treatment is the very thing we do not allow to prevent treatment when
>> it becomes necessary to give a child an injection, force an oral
>> medication, start an IV, suture a wound, or reduce a fracture. It's also
>> obvious that both Abraham and his parents have bought into the lies that
>> chemotherapy would kill him and the Hoxsey treatment offers real hope for
>> recovery. Whether Abraham should be protected by the court from both his
>> own and his parents' ignorance is a tough call. I'm glad I'm not the
>> judge for this case.
>
> Sadly, someone has convinced Abraham that when he dies of the lymphoma, he
> will not be sick, it will be benign and peaceful and he will die at home.
>
> He may have one out of the three correctly.

Nope, not even that one. Unless he has first-rate hospice care, I predict
that when his airway starts to close and breathing becomes excruciatingly
painful, he and his parents will panic and call 911. In most states, the
medics are not authorized to honor DNR documents, so they will intubate him,
and he will spend his last days on a ventilator in an ICU. If they give him
enough propofol, though, he may succeed in dying "benign and
eaceful." --Rich

>
> Those who lied to him have committed murder just assuredly the same as
> anyone who picks up a gun and puts a 9 mm into the base of a skull. They
> should be prosecuted for homicide.
>