911 call: Mom makes me do HOMEWORK!

[Greegor]

Mom works Fast Food to buy the kid Nike's and he does this.
At age 10, fully able to call 911 for such crap, is leaving
this kid alone for a few hours really neglect?

Can't 10 year olds be certified for babysitting?

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White Plains boy calls cops on mom who ordered him to do homework
By RICHARD LIEBSON THE JOURNAL NEWS (Original publication: December
28, 2006)

WHITE PLAINS - She insisted her son do his homework the day after
Christmas, so he called the cops on her.

Now, the 10-year-old's mother is due in City Court today to answer to a
child endangerment charge after police responding to the boy's 911 call
discovered that he'd been left home alone.

The 32-year-old mom was arrested Tuesday after her son made the
emergency call and beseeched officers "to come and take his mother away
because she was pressuring him to do his homework,'' according to a
police report.

When police arrived at the Ferris Avenue apartment, they found the
youngster home alone and were informed that his mother was working a 10
a.m. to 2 p.m. shift at a local restaurant. While police were there,
the boy's mother called to check on him.

Mother and child were taken to police headquarters. The mom, whose name
is being withheld by The Journal News to protect the boy's identity,
was charged with endangering the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor. She
does not have a listed telephone number and could not be reached for
comment.

She was arraigned by City Court Judge Brian Hansbury, who released her
without bail after signing an order of protection requiring her not to
leave her son alone or abuse him in any way.

Police said the state's Child Protective Services agency was notified
of the arrest and is conducting its own investigation.

There was no word on whether the boy finished his homework.

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when i was 10 years old i had 2 jobs raking leaves and delivering
newspapers. i lived with foster parents and when i needed money i
worked as they also worked to raise their families. they arrested this
woman for leaving her child alone at home , give me a break, this
spoiled brat did not want to do his homework so he called 911. what
he really needs is a job to keep him busy, to help out his mom who is
doing the best that she can. now some child protection agency will put
her on it's watch list. she will lose her job and go back on welfare.
nice system, in fact her kid needs more than a job. like a good hit in
the rear end. but i guess this would also get her locked up for child
endangerment. sometimes these systems over do it, and cause more harm
than good .

Posted by: thomas j stroh on Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:49 am

[0:->]

Greegor wrote:
> Mom works Fast Food to buy the kid Nike's and he does this.

And you know she spends her money this way how?

Maybe she'd do better having him grub through trash alongside the road,
in park garbage cans, and dumpsters beyind the local Walmart, for
recyclable cans and bottles.

I hear some "parents" might just do that.

Shocking, absolutely shocking.

> At age 10, fully able to call 911 for such crap, is leaving
> this kid alone for a few hours really neglect?

Yeah, those 10 year olds all have their **** together, won't panic, and
for sure won't go out of the house while mom's gone. Yeah, that's it.
>
> Can't 10 year olds be certified for babysitting?

Was he? If not, then what good would it do to know he 'could be?'

And I doubt it. Ten is kinda young to leave a kid on his own all day.

> http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NEWS02/612280344/1018/NEWS02
> http://www.nyjournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NEWS02/612280344
>
> White Plains boy calls cops on mom who ordered him to do homework
> By RICHARD LIEBSON THE JOURNAL NEWS (Original publication: December
> 28, 2006)
>
> WHITE PLAINS - She insisted her son do his homework the day after
> Christmas, so he called the cops on her.
>
> Now, the 10-year-old's mother is due in City Court today to answer to a
> child endangerment charge after police responding to the boy's 911 call
> discovered that he'd been left home alone.
>
> The 32-year-old mom was arrested Tuesday after her son made the
> emergency call and beseeched officers "to come and take his mother away
> because she was pressuring him to do his homework,'' according to a
> police report.
>
> When police arrived at the Ferris Avenue apartment, they found the
> youngster home alone and were informed that his mother was working a 10
> a.m. to 2 p.m. shift at a local restaurant. While police were there,
> the boy's mother called to check on him.
>
> Mother and child were taken to police headquarters. The mom, whose name
> is being withheld by The Journal News to protect the boy's identity,
> was charged with endangering the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor. She
> does not have a listed telephone number and could not be reached for
> comment.
>
> She was arraigned by City Court Judge Brian Hansbury, who released her
> without bail after signing an order of protection requiring her not to
> leave her son alone or abuse him in any way.
>
> Police said the state's Child Protective Services agency was notified
> of the arrest and is conducting its own investigation.
>
> There was no word on whether the boy finished his homework.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> when i was 10 years old i had 2 jobs raking leaves and delivering
> newspapers.

It's 2007, in a couple of days. Things change. Really.

> i lived with foster parents and when i needed money i
> worked as they also worked to raise their families.

Careful. Anything that appears as approving of foster families will get
you savaged in this newsgroup. Here lurk antiCPS crusaders, in capes
and top hats. Honest.

> they arrested this
> woman for leaving her child alone at home , give me a break, this
> spoiled brat did not want to do his homework so he called 911.

Or he got scared. And couldn't think of a better excuse. 10 year olds
get some funny ideas. LIke that someone knocking at the door when they
are home alone might not be up to any good.

> what
> he really needs is a job to keep him busy, to help out his mom who is
> doing the best that she can.

Well, she could do a little better. I understand there are fellows out
there ready to volunteer to move in with momma and take over shower
room duties, spank kids for not hustling at the can and bottle
retreival along the roadsides and in the dumpsters of the nation, and
will buy the kid used Nike's when he gets enough money from refunding.

> now some child protection agency will put
> her on it's watch list.

Well, if you'll leave you kid alone all day, at 10, in these times with
the kinds of people we see, even in this newsgroup, I think that's a
righteous action. I'd be watching her if I was her neighbor.

> she will lose her job and go back on welfare.
> nice system,

She will? How?

> in fact her kid needs more than a job. like a good hit in
> the rear end.

Ah yes. That's helps wonderfully to focus the concentration on those
muliplication tables.

If only the teachers knew that.

> but i guess this would also get her locked up for child
> endangerment.

Naw, spanking is legal in every state, though I've heard Minnesota's
laws on it can be interpreted as it being illegal under certain
circumstances. The rest of you can beat your kids bloody and hope that
some judge like the one a few months ago, will say it's okay,....cause
it's traditional.

> sometimes these systems over do it, and cause more harm
> than good .

Doubtless.

Was that the case here?

> Posted by: thomas j stroh on Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:49 am

How come, Greg, you did not give a citation with link back to his
original message?

You have this passive agressive problem with being terribly anal
retentive, Greg, did you know that?

You hold back the very meat of an issue to get us to beg you to tell us
the truth. It gives you that warm tingly feeling as you let a few bits
of warm **** seep out your anus.

Doesn't it, Greg?

R R R R R RR R R R R RRR

[Carlson LaVonne]

This 10 year old child was left alone. Can 10 year olds be left alone?
Of course. Of course, we also know nothing about this case, nor do
you, Greegor, know anything about how she was spending her money.
Perhaps she wasn't working for Nike's, but for food and shelter for her
child.

The child's call to 911 was possibly a call for help. A call from a
little child who felt alone and abandoned. A little child who needed
the presence of a parent or caring adult? And yes, a 10 year old is a
little child.

LaVonne

Greegor wrote:
> Mom works Fast Food to buy the kid Nike's and he does this.
> At age 10, fully able to call 911 for such crap, is leaving
> this kid alone for a few hours really neglect?
>
> Can't 10 year olds be certified for babysitting?
>
> http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NEWS02/612280344/1018/NEWS02
> http://www.nyjournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NEWS02/612280344
>
> White Plains boy calls cops on mom who ordered him to do homework
> By RICHARD LIEBSON THE JOURNAL NEWS (Original publication: December
> 28, 2006)
>
> WHITE PLAINS - She insisted her son do his homework the day after
> Christmas, so he called the cops on her.
>
> Now, the 10-year-old's mother is due in City Court today to answer to a
> child endangerment charge after police responding to the boy's 911 call
> discovered that he'd been left home alone.
>
> The 32-year-old mom was arrested Tuesday after her son made the
> emergency call and beseeched officers "to come and take his mother away
> because she was pressuring him to do his homework,'' according to a
> police report.
>
> When police arrived at the Ferris Avenue apartment, they found the
> youngster home alone and were informed that his mother was working a 10
> a.m. to 2 p.m. shift at a local restaurant. While police were there,
> the boy's mother called to check on him.
>
> Mother and child were taken to police headquarters. The mom, whose name
> is being withheld by The Journal News to protect the boy's identity,
> was charged with endangering the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor. She
> does not have a listed telephone number and could not be reached for
> comment.
>
> She was arraigned by City Court Judge Brian Hansbury, who released her
> without bail after signing an order of protection requiring her not to
> leave her son alone or abuse him in any way.
>
> Police said the state's Child Protective Services agency was notified
> of the arrest and is conducting its own investigation.
>
> There was no word on whether the boy finished his homework.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> when i was 10 years old i had 2 jobs raking leaves and delivering
> newspapers. i lived with foster parents and when i needed money i
> worked as they also worked to raise their families. they arrested this
> woman for leaving her child alone at home , give me a break, this
> spoiled brat did not want to do his homework so he called 911. what
> he really needs is a job to keep him busy, to help out his mom who is
> doing the best that she can. now some child protection agency will put
> her on it's watch list. she will lose her job and go back on welfare.
> nice system, in fact her kid needs more than a job. like a good hit in
> the rear end. but i guess this would also get her locked up for child
> endangerment. sometimes these systems over do it, and cause more harm
> than good .
>
> Posted by: thomas j stroh on Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:49 am
>

[Greegor]

LaVonne: You're an ""expert"" on babysitting in Minnesota.

A 10 year old can be a licensed babysitter in Minnesota right?

The child felt alone and abandoned while the parent WORKS??
We're not talking about a retarded or mentally ill 10 year old are we?

What's with the rediculous bleeding heart stuff LaVonne?

Don't you think a 10 year old should be ready for some RESPONSIBILITY?

Kids must have fun MANIPULATING you LaVonne, every
manipulative 10 year you encounter must have a field day with you!

Carlson LaVonne wrote:
> This 10 year old child was left alone. Can 10 year olds be left alone?
> Of course. Of course, we also know nothing about this case, nor do
> you, Greegor, know anything about how she was spending her money.
> Perhaps she wasn't working for Nike's, but for food and shelter for her
> child.
>
> The child's call to 911 was possibly a call for help. A call from a
> little child who felt alone and abandoned. A little child who needed
> the presence of a parent or caring adult? And yes, a 10 year old is a
> little child.
>
> LaVonne
>
> Greegor wrote:
> > Mom works Fast Food to buy the kid Nike's and he does this.
> > At age 10, fully able to call 911 for such crap, is leaving
> > this kid alone for a few hours really neglect?
> >
> > Can't 10 year olds be certified for babysitting?
> >
> > http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NEWS02/612280344/1018/NEWS02
> > http://www.nyjournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NEWS02/612280344
> >
> > White Plains boy calls cops on mom who ordered him to do homework
> > By RICHARD LIEBSON THE JOURNAL NEWS (Original publication: December
> > 28, 2006)
> >
> > WHITE PLAINS - She insisted her son do his homework the day after
> > Christmas, so he called the cops on her.
> >
> > Now, the 10-year-old's mother is due in City Court today to answer to a
> > child endangerment charge after police responding to the boy's 911 call
> > discovered that he'd been left home alone.
> >
> > The 32-year-old mom was arrested Tuesday after her son made the
> > emergency call and beseeched officers "to come and take his mother away
> > because she was pressuring him to do his homework,'' according to a
> > police report.
> >
> > When police arrived at the Ferris Avenue apartment, they found the
> > youngster home alone and were informed that his mother was working a 10
> > a.m. to 2 p.m. shift at a local restaurant. While police were there,
> > the boy's mother called to check on him.
> >
> > Mother and child were taken to police headquarters. The mom, whose name
> > is being withheld by The Journal News to protect the boy's identity,
> > was charged with endangering the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor. She
> > does not have a listed telephone number and could not be reached for
> > comment.
> >
> > She was arraigned by City Court Judge Brian Hansbury, who released her
> > without bail after signing an order of protection requiring her not to
> > leave her son alone or abuse him in any way.
> >
> > Police said the state's Child Protective Services agency was notified
> > of the arrest and is conducting its own investigation.
> >
> > There was no word on whether the boy finished his homework.
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > when i was 10 years old i had 2 jobs raking leaves and delivering
> > newspapers. i lived with foster parents and when i needed money i
> > worked as they also worked to raise their families. they arrested this
> > woman for leaving her child alone at home , give me a break, this
> > spoiled brat did not want to do his homework so he called 911. what
> > he really needs is a job to keep him busy, to help out his mom who is
> > doing the best that she can. now some child protection agency will put
> > her on it's watch list. she will lose her job and go back on welfare.
> > nice system, in fact her kid needs more than a job. like a good hit in
> > the rear end. but i guess this would also get her locked up for child
> > endangerment. sometimes these systems over do it, and cause more harm
> > than good .
> >
> > Posted by: thomas j stroh on Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:49 am

[Dragon's Girl]

Greegor wrote:
> LaVonne: You're an ""expert"" on babysitting in Minnesota.
>
> A 10 year old can be a licensed babysitter in Minnesota right?
>
> The child felt alone and abandoned while the parent WORKS??
> We're not talking about a retarded or mentally ill 10 year old are we?
>
> What's with the rediculous bleeding heart stuff LaVonne?
>
> Don't you think a 10 year old should be ready for some RESPONSIBILITY?

Ho-d up. Lemme see, I wanna make sure I got this 'un right!
Greg thinks that a ten year old should be ready for responsibility?
But a SEVEN year old isn't old enough to BATHE herself?

I mean...what in the hell kind of alternate universe are we IN here????


>
> Kids must have fun MANIPULATING you LaVonne, every
> manipulative 10 year you encounter must have a field day with you!
>
> Carlson LaVonne wrote:
> > This 10 year old child was left alone. Can 10 year olds be left alone?
> > Of course. Of course, we also know nothing about this case, nor do
> > you, Greegor, know anything about how she was spending her money.
> > Perhaps she wasn't working for Nike's, but for food and shelter for her
> > child.
> >
> > The child's call to 911 was possibly a call for help. A call from a
> > little child who felt alone and abandoned. A little child who needed
> > the presence of a parent or caring adult? And yes, a 10 year old is a
> > little child.
> >
> > LaVonne
> >
> > Greegor wrote:
> > > Mom works Fast Food to buy the kid Nike's and he does this.
> > > At age 10, fully able to call 911 for such crap, is leaving
> > > this kid alone for a few hours really neglect?
> > >
> > > Can't 10 year olds be certified for babysitting?
> > >
> > > http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NEWS02/612280344/1018/NEWS02
> > > http://www.nyjournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NEWS02/612280344
> > >
> > > White Plains boy calls cops on mom who ordered him to do homework
> > > By RICHARD LIEBSON THE JOURNAL NEWS (Original publication: December
> > > 28, 2006)
> > >
> > > WHITE PLAINS - She insisted her son do his homework the day after
> > > Christmas, so he called the cops on her.
> > >
> > > Now, the 10-year-old's mother is due in City Court today to answer to a
> > > child endangerment charge after police responding to the boy's 911 call
> > > discovered that he'd been left home alone.
> > >
> > > The 32-year-old mom was arrested Tuesday after her son made the
> > > emergency call and beseeched officers "to come and take his mother away
> > > because she was pressuring him to do his homework,'' according to a
> > > police report.
> > >
> > > When police arrived at the Ferris Avenue apartment, they found the
> > > youngster home alone and were informed that his mother was working a 10
> > > a.m. to 2 p.m. shift at a local restaurant. While police were there,
> > > the boy's mother called to check on him.
> > >
> > > Mother and child were taken to police headquarters. The mom, whose name
> > > is being withheld by The Journal News to protect the boy's identity,
> > > was charged with endangering the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor. She
> > > does not have a listed telephone number and could not be reached for
> > > comment.
> > >
> > > She was arraigned by City Court Judge Brian Hansbury, who released her
> > > without bail after signing an order of protection requiring her not to
> > > leave her son alone or abuse him in any way.
> > >
> > > Police said the state's Child Protective Services agency was notified
> > > of the arrest and is conducting its own investigation.
> > >
> > > There was no word on whether the boy finished his homework.
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > when i was 10 years old i had 2 jobs raking leaves and delivering
> > > newspapers. i lived with foster parents and when i needed money i
> > > worked as they also worked to raise their families. they arrested this
> > > woman for leaving her child alone at home , give me a break, this
> > > spoiled brat did not want to do his homework so he called 911. what
> > > he really needs is a job to keep him busy, to help out his mom who is
> > > doing the best that she can. now some child protection agency will put
> > > her on it's watch list. she will lose her job and go back on welfare.
> > > nice system, in fact her kid needs more than a job. like a good hit in
> > > the rear end. but i guess this would also get her locked up for child
> > > endangerment. sometimes these systems over do it, and cause more harm
> > > than good .
> > >
> > > Posted by: thomas j stroh on Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:49 am

[Greegor]

LaVonne wrote
> The child's call to 911 was possibly a call for help. A call from a
> little child who felt alone and abandoned. A little child who needed
> the presence of a parent or caring adult? And yes, a 10 year old is a
> little child.

Instead of trying to change the subject Betty, please try
to address this issue.

Do you find anything odd about LaVonne's statement?

[dragonsgirl]

"Greegor" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> LaVonne wrote
>> The child's call to 911 was possibly a call for help. A call from a
>> little child who felt alone and abandoned. A little child who needed
>> the presence of a parent or caring adult? And yes, a 10 year old is a
>> little child.
>
> Instead of trying to change the subject Betty, please try
> to address this issue.
>
> Do you find anything odd about LaVonne's statement?

Who is changing the subject?
That IS the subject, is it not?
A child of ten capable of being left home alone?
Right?
And it appears to me that you think a ten year old is ready for that
responsibility...so I'm curious to know why you believe THAT, but don't
think a seven year old can take a bath alone without the help of a grown
man.
How DO you justify those two obvious differences in level of responsibility
vs age?

>

[0:->]

Greegor wrote:
> LaVonne: You're an ""expert"" on babysitting in Minnesota.

What makes you say that?

> A 10 year old can be a licensed babysitter in Minnesota right?

The story was out of New York...the last time I heard, that's where
White Plains is.

What would Minnesota have to do with licensing in NY?
>
> The child felt alone and abandoned while the parent WORKS??

Ten year olds are real hip on what "working" really means for an adult.


> We're not talking about a retarded or mentally ill 10 year old are we?

Hard to say. That wasn't discussed in the article. Ten year olds can be
as mercurial as any adult, even more if they are feeling not quite up
to par.

>
> What's with the rediculous bleeding heart stuff LaVonne?
>

Worry about a ten year old home alone is "bleeding hear stuff?"

Well we can see where your heart is concerning children and their
safety.

> Don't you think a 10 year old should be ready for some RESPONSIBILITY?

Yep. An hour here, an hour there. But not all day. All that has to
happen is some crook casing the neighborhood get the idea this kid is
home alone and might just know where the goodies are hidden....you get
the idea?

And then again, according to you the world is jammed with "homos"
looking for little boys to futter.

You seem to have such a double standard, Greg. We are to protect our
children from homos, but it's okay to leave them home alone all
day...mmmmmhmmmm....

>
> Kids must have fun MANIPULATING you LaVonne, every
> manipulative 10 year you encounter must have a field day with you!

I'll betcha you are far more easily manipulated, Greg. Control freaks
are pushovers for kids. Why they have been known to call their grandpas
and get boyfriends of their mom face punched in, you know. Really, un
huh, happens. Trust me.

You just can't help being ascps and aps largest asshole, can you Greg?




>
> Carlson LaVonne wrote:
> > This 10 year old child was left alone. Can 10 year olds be left alone?
> > Of course. Of course, we also know nothing about this case, nor do
> > you, Greegor, know anything about how she was spending her money.
> > Perhaps she wasn't working for Nike's, but for food and shelter for her
> > child.
> >
> > The child's call to 911 was possibly a call for help. A call from a
> > little child who felt alone and abandoned. A little child who needed
> > the presence of a parent or caring adult? And yes, a 10 year old is a
> > little child.
> >
> > LaVonne
> >
> > Greegor wrote:
> > > Mom works Fast Food to buy the kid Nike's and he does this.
> > > At age 10, fully able to call 911 for such crap, is leaving
> > > this kid alone for a few hours really neglect?
> > >
> > > Can't 10 year olds be certified for babysitting?
> > >
> > > http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NEWS02/612280344/1018/NEWS02
> > > http://www.nyjournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NEWS02/612280344
> > >
> > > White Plains boy calls cops on mom who ordered him to do homework
> > > By RICHARD LIEBSON THE JOURNAL NEWS (Original publication: December
> > > 28, 2006)
> > >
> > > WHITE PLAINS - She insisted her son do his homework the day after
> > > Christmas, so he called the cops on her.
> > >
> > > Now, the 10-year-old's mother is due in City Court today to answer to a
> > > child endangerment charge after police responding to the boy's 911 call
> > > discovered that he'd been left home alone.
> > >
> > > The 32-year-old mom was arrested Tuesday after her son made the
> > > emergency call and beseeched officers "to come and take his mother away
> > > because she was pressuring him to do his homework,'' according to a
> > > police report.
> > >
> > > When police arrived at the Ferris Avenue apartment, they found the
> > > youngster home alone and were informed that his mother was working a 10
> > > a.m. to 2 p.m. shift at a local restaurant. While police were there,
> > > the boy's mother called to check on him.
> > >
> > > Mother and child were taken to police headquarters. The mom, whose name
> > > is being withheld by The Journal News to protect the boy's identity,
> > > was charged with endangering the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor. She
> > > does not have a listed telephone number and could not be reached for
> > > comment.
> > >
> > > She was arraigned by City Court Judge Brian Hansbury, who released her
> > > without bail after signing an order of protection requiring her not to
> > > leave her son alone or abuse him in any way.
> > >
> > > Police said the state's Child Protective Services agency was notified
> > > of the arrest and is conducting its own investigation.
> > >
> > > There was no word on whether the boy finished his homework.
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > when i was 10 years old i had 2 jobs raking leaves and delivering
> > > newspapers. i lived with foster parents and when i needed money i
> > > worked as they also worked to raise their families. they arrested this
> > > woman for leaving her child alone at home , give me a break, this
> > > spoiled brat did not want to do his homework so he called 911. what
> > > he really needs is a job to keep him busy, to help out his mom who is
> > > doing the best that she can. now some child protection agency will put
> > > her on it's watch list. she will lose her job and go back on welfare.
> > > nice system, in fact her kid needs more than a job. like a good hit in
> > > the rear end. but i guess this would also get her locked up for child
> > > endangerment. sometimes these systems over do it, and cause more harm
> > > than good .
> > >
> > > Posted by: thomas j stroh on Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:49 am

[0:->]

dragonsgirl wrote:
> "Greegor" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> LaVonne wrote
>>> The child's call to 911 was possibly a call for help. A call from a
>>> little child who felt alone and abandoned. A little child who needed
>>> the presence of a parent or caring adult? And yes, a 10 year old is a
>>> little child.
>> Instead of trying to change the subject Betty, please try
>> to address this issue.
>>
>> Do you find anything odd about LaVonne's statement?
>
> Who is changing the subject?
> That IS the subject, is it not?
> A child of ten capable of being left home alone?
> Right?
> And it appears to me that you think a ten year old is ready for that
> responsibility...so I'm curious to know why you believe THAT, but don't
> think a seven year old can take a bath alone without the help of a grown
> man.
> How DO you justify those two obvious differences in level of responsibility
> vs age?

No connection whatsoever. You don't seem to understand the Perv mind,
Betty.

Well, I guess you are lucky at that. Having worked with them in mental
health I understand them and their denial quite well.

0:->

[Greegor]

Is this the nature of Childrens Rights?
Empowerment to call the Cops rather than doing HOMEWORK?

[0:->]

Greegor wrote:
> Is this the nature of Childrens Rights?
> Empowerment to call the Cops rather than doing HOMEWORK?

Why must it be "rather than do HOMEWORK?"

Do you really think that's why he called?

Explain your exquisitely fine understanding of children and their
development that would support that he maliciously called the cops on
him mom over homework, rather than because he was frightened at being
alone.

You might want to return the attributions you aborted, so that we can
understand your thinking by comparing it to the story itself.

It's interesting to watch you and Michael falling apart.

At one time there was a semblance, at least, of some kind of vaguely
logical response or an attempt to come up with something.

Now it's just blatant bald faced lies, and all out attack.

And oddly enough, it seems to be coming at a time I'm questioning you
about you being a CPS agent sent here to disrupt this newsgroup and
divert people from finding help to get and keep their children out of
CPS clutches.

You two have gone after just about everyone that has proven capable in
fighting CPS successfully. Or newcomers seeking information.

Interesting, isn't it. Odd. Weird. Strange. ... You getting my drift
here, boy?

To an honest person that can think for themselves certain questions
about your behavior -- you, Michael and assorted socks of yours, come to
mind, such as, just why all this thrashing about you are doing?

All it does, Greg, when people see this blatant lying of yours, is lend
myself, Dan, Kim, Betty, far more credibility than we could manage to
gain alone.

You drive people right to us, Greg.

As an agent you aren't earning your pay, but you do get a raspberry for
trying real real hard.

Don't take down any airplanes, old boy.

0:->

[Dragon's Girl]

0:-> wrote:
> dragonsgirl wrote:
> > "Greegor" > wrote in message
> > ups.com...
> >> LaVonne wrote
> >>> The child's call to 911 was possibly a call for help. A call from a
> >>> little child who felt alone and abandoned. A little child who needed
> >>> the presence of a parent or caring adult? And yes, a 10 year old is a
> >>> little child.
> >> Instead of trying to change the subject Betty, please try
> >> to address this issue.
> >>
> >> Do you find anything odd about LaVonne's statement?
> >
> > Who is changing the subject?
> > That IS the subject, is it not?
> > A child of ten capable of being left home alone?
> > Right?
> > And it appears to me that you think a ten year old is ready for that
> > responsibility...so I'm curious to know why you believe THAT, but don't
> > think a seven year old can take a bath alone without the help of a grown
> > man.
> > How DO you justify those two obvious differences in level of responsibility
> > vs age?
>
> No connection whatsoever. You don't seem to understand the Perv mind,
> Betty.
>
> Well, I guess you are lucky at that. Having worked with them in mental
> health I understand them and their denial quite well.
>
> 0:->

Well, I guess I'm lucky in that.
Wouldn't want to understand.

[Dan Sullivan]

Greegor wrote:
> Is this the nature of Childrens Rights?
> Empowerment to call the Cops rather than doing HOMEWORK?

It's not empowerment. It's a phone call.

If the kid can pick up the phone and dial... he's there!

I know of a kid who called the police because his parents told him to
go to bed.

After the tongue lashing he got from the cops, he never tried anything
as stupid as that again.

There was a man on FightCPS who was under investigation because CPS
accepted a report that his daughter was afraid to go home with a bad
report card. $8,000 he paid to an attny. I was the one who told him a
child being afraid to go home with a bad report card didn't rise to the
level of maltreatment. It never should have been accepted as a report.

Case closed.

[Dan Sullivan]

Carlson LaVonne wrote:
> This 10 year old child was left alone. Can 10 year olds be left alone?
> Of course.

I wouldn't go that far.

It all depends on the maturity of the child.

It's possible a ten year old could, but a thirteen year old shouldn't.

[Ron]

"Dan Sullivan" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Carlson LaVonne wrote:
>> This 10 year old child was left alone. Can 10 year olds be left alone?
>> Of course.
>
> I wouldn't go that far.
>
> It all depends on the maturity of the child.
>
> It's possible a ten year old could, but a thirteen year old shouldn't.

It also depends on the laws of the individual state. Here in Nebraska it is
not allowed, not until the child reaches the age of 12, and then only for
short periods of time.

Ron

[AnneF->]

Carlson LaVonne wrote:
> This 10 year old child was left alone. Can 10 year olds be left alone?
> Of course. Of course, we also know nothing about this case, nor do
> you, Greegor, know anything about how she was spending her money.
> Perhaps she wasn't working for Nike's, but for food and shelter for her
> child.
>
> The child's call to 911 was possibly a call for help. A call from a
> little child who felt alone and abandoned. A little child who needed
> the presence of a parent or caring adult? And yes, a 10 year old is a
> little child.
>
> LaVonne
>
So will CPS provide free child care to single parents like this mother?
Or would CPS
rather spend 40-60 thousand dollars a year once a child like one is in
foster care?

AF

[Turin]

IOW, a case of "Supermom" blaming her kid instead of taking
responsibility as the adult, but still managing to hide
behind tradition like one.


"What this kid needs is a good kick in the rear end, to make
him do his homework" - oh, such a quaint and traditional
sounding line for a liberal to take to excuse a mother.

Yeah. Now that society has conveniently forgotten that most
"single mothers" are really just bimbos and that everyone
had to argue against traditional families in order to
accommodate their lifestyles - yeah - why NOT cherrypick
from that set of "values" that you rejected and blame the
kid? The whole point is to make others share the blame for
HER decisions. Let's break a young back, too.


Forget poor mommy's plight for a minute. Maybe THE BOY
actually lives in a ****ty unstructured environment - of HER
making. One which interferes with his ability to do some of
this deified "homework" which she can't be bothered doing
herself by going to college and getting a real job to
support her lifestyle.

Maybe SHE's got HIM living in a ****ing concrete jungle that
doesn't give him any opportunity to have two leave-raking
jobs, or any other picturesque guilt-trip which spoiled
two-parent liberals love to throw in the faces of poor boys
(so that they can exploit them as soon as they reach a ripe
age).


Maybe HIS young overly pressured mind was actually
accurately pinpointing one source of the problem that was
interfering with the demands being placed upon HIM, and he
did the only thing he could think of.

Maybe our virtuous widow was bringing home strange men all
the time - to the point that the old "are you going to be my
new dad" (or first), wore so thin that it wasn't even worth
thinking. Just maybe, this is a perfidious reversal and all
he WANTED was to do his homework. Maybe because it would
give him a point of reference away from the ugliness in the
whorehouse that he lives in, toward society's real rules,
because he knew he couldn't depend on her for anything more
than to play mom for other eyes to see. Maybe he was
getting so many mixed signals that calling the police was
just his way trying to tell someone that she wasn't really
being a parent.


Back to mommy. Yeah, Jr. should do his homework so that SHE
can keep living off of those setasides. Someday he'll need
to earn enough to pay his own child support to another
absentee wife, just like "Mom". Now that her youth is going
on her, and she's not one of the cute young thing getting
her perpetual "start", it's probably not fun doing floozy
work anymore.

In fact, it's probably downright unglamorous,
and that is often when even bigger problems start building
up in the single-mommy home. So, in the meantime, Jr. had
better be a model child who doesn't force her to stop to be
a parent. It cuts into her stay-young pursuits, as well as
her other whore's pursuits.


Why didn't our saintly, struggling "Mom" plan ahead by going
on to college, first, when doing so would have made it less
of a struggle? Lots of other women do.


Nobody told her?

Yeah, Right. Lying skank.


She "trusted" some guy (to pay her bills for her, for doing
30 minutes of meal preparation "work" a day), who then
"abandoned" her?

Yeah, right. If SHE does the walking out, and hurts
everyone in the wake of her actions, then NO ONE criticizes
her. It's up to everyone else to adapt. "**** all of you
people. It's MY life, MY body, MY decision ...MY
EVERYTHING."

Rather, she's cheered - making the whole rationale behind
"abandonment" meaningless. All she needs is a few lousy
excuses (lies) to justify her selfishness and she's in the
clear - for everything short of murder in front of 100
witnesses.


What's the real reason?

She was young. She knew how to get payment and prerogatives
by using her pussy. She didn't think about the future. She
was having a good time. Now, she's two years over the hill
and not so many guys look twice at her, anymore.


"Uh-oh!" "Better start putting on a fine 'mom' act!"

"Let's act like I give this kid everything!"

"Here: I work fast-food, but I'll buy him one pair of Nikes.
(Or, maybe I'll just have my mom buy them and tell
everyone it was me). Then, every time somebody is looking
critically at me, I'll bring up my one token effort and
stand back and watch while the world dumps my **** and shame
onto him. I deserve a break!

"Besides, isn't he a 'man'? Isn't he supposed to be the
'man' of the family? Isn't he supposed to be strong for me
when I'm abandoned?

"Oh, that's right. He's only ten years old and I did the
abandoning. No problem! I just have to practice my lines
to make sure I don't cross my lies too badly. Lots of
people WANT to believe me, and that's the ticket."


Oh, and which "liberal/commie/pinko media" outfit is it
that's writing this editorialized job, defending a single
mother and "destroying da family" because this kid is
obviously so in control of his environment (and her) that
she needs it? ...hahaha, why it's Gannett Co. Inc., "a
multi-media company serving the Lower Hudson Valley (New
York's Westchester, Rockland and Putnam counties) since 1850"

I'll be damned. I thought it was going to be Pravda. Or,
at least, PBS. ...CONSTANTLY! We're just ping-ponged back
and forth between ****ing liberals and ****ing
conservatives......






"I still lament my father's death;
when I lost my mother, I lit a perfect bonfire from joy."

~ The Marquis de Sade

- - -

Beloved of the Gods:

Turin


I have such sites to show you...
------------------------

http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First

------------------------

"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with,
deleteth, or maketh a lie about these words or causeth them
to not be known shall burn in hell forever and ever...."

-----





Greegor wrote:
> Mom works Fast Food to buy the kid Nike's and he does
> this. At age 10, fully able to call 911 for such crap, is
> leaving this kid alone for a few hours really neglect?
>
> Can't 10 year olds be certified for babysitting?
>
> http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NEWS02/612280344/1018/NEWS02
>
> http://www.nyjournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NEWS02/612280344
>
>
> White Plains boy calls cops on mom who ordered him to do
> homework By RICHARD LIEBSON THE JOURNAL NEWS (Original
> publication: December 28, 2006)
>
> WHITE PLAINS - She insisted her son do his homework the
> day after Christmas, so he called the cops on her.
>
> Now, the 10-year-old's mother is due in City Court today
> to answer to a child endangerment charge after police
> responding to the boy's 911 call discovered that he'd
> been left home alone.
>
> The 32-year-old mom was arrested Tuesday after her son
> made the emergency call and beseeched officers "to come
> and take his mother away because she was pressuring him
> to do his homework,'' according to a police report.
>
> When police arrived at the Ferris Avenue apartment, they
> found the youngster home alone and were informed that his
> mother was working a 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. shift at a local
> restaurant. While police were there, the boy's mother
> called to check on him.
>
> Mother and child were taken to police headquarters. The
> mom, whose name is being withheld by The Journal News to
> protect the boy's identity, was charged with endangering
> the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor. She does not have
> a listed telephone number and could not be reached for
> comment.
>
> She was arraigned by City Court Judge Brian Hansbury, who
> released her without bail after signing an order of
> protection requiring her not to leave her son alone or
> abuse him in any way.
>
> Police said the state's Child Protective Services agency
> was notified of the arrest and is conducting its own
> investigation.
>
> There was no word on whether the boy finished his
> homework.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> when i was 10 years old i had 2 jobs raking leaves and
> delivering newspapers. i lived with foster parents and
> when i needed money i worked as they also worked to raise
> their families. they arrested this woman for leaving her
> child alone at home , give me a break, this spoiled brat
> did not want to do his homework so he called 911. what
> he really needs is a job to keep him busy, to help out
> his mom who is doing the best that she can. now some
> child protection agency will put her on it's watch list.
> she will lose her job and go back on welfare. nice
> system, in fact her kid needs more than a job. like a
> good hit in the rear end. but i guess this would also get
> her locked up for child endangerment. sometimes these
> systems over do it, and cause more harm than good .
>
> Posted by: thomas j stroh on Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:49 am
>

[Greegor]

AnneF-> wrote:
> So will CPS provide free child care to single parents like this mother?
> Or would CPS rather spend 40-60 thousand dollars a
> year once a child like [this] one is in foster care?

40-60 K per year is only a FRACTION of what it costs.

Based on newspaper reports a few years ago it looks
like 160 K per year would even be low.

If a family actually fights the legal costs could
easily push the total package up to $ 230 K per year or more.

All of those "contractors" add up fast.

Probably with big bucks spent on state's attorneys and
$ 200 spent on the public defender
(raised from 50/hour up to 60/Hour in Iowa months ago).

[jd]

so a kid finally calls the cops to let them know that he's being left home
alone. OK, so maybe at 10 that is a little unreasonable (but that really
depends on the kid). The real question is how long has this been going on? I
know of single moms that leave their small (like 5 year old) kids home alone
every day while they go to "work" (hang out at the gym, and go have a liquid
lunch). The local child protection folks won't even bother checking up on
this type of report. In the rare case where they do, what they do is call
the mom, and leave a message telling her when they will be coming to check
on her - usually at least a week or so away, so mom has plenty of time to
clean the dump, buy groceries, and make sure her dope stash is gone. When
the social worker shows up, the kid has been fed a script, and everything
looks fine. If the poor kids dad was the one that called social services, he
can count on counter charges, an investigation of abuse (of the ex and the
kids), a domestic violence restraining order, and loss of any custody or
visitation he may have with his kid(s).

this has happened a number of times to people I know. Face it folks: if
you're a man, you are guaranteed to be wrong in any divorce/custody case.
Your ex can walk into court and say anything she wants, and she will be
believed, regardless of eveidence, conflicting testimony (including her
own), or anything else that would suggest or prove that she is lying. face
it, men are screwed.




>>
>> White Plains boy calls cops on mom who ordered him to do
>> homework By RICHARD LIEBSON THE JOURNAL NEWS (Original
>> publication: December 28, 2006)
>>
>> WHITE PLAINS - She insisted her son do his homework the
>> day after Christmas, so he called the cops on her.
>>
>> Now, the 10-year-old's mother is due in City Court today
>> to answer to a child endangerment charge after police
>> responding to the boy's 911 call discovered that he'd
>> been left home alone.
>>
>> The 32-year-old mom was arrested Tuesday after her son
>> made the emergency call and beseeched officers "to come
>> and take his mother away because she was pressuring him
>> to do his homework,'' according to a police report.
>>
>> When police arrived at the Ferris Avenue apartment, they
>> found the youngster home alone and were informed that his
>> mother was working a 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. shift at a local
>> restaurant. While police were there, the boy's mother
>> called to check on him.
>>
>> Mother and child were taken to police headquarters. The
>> mom, whose name is being withheld by The Journal News to
>> protect the boy's identity, was charged with endangering
>> the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor. She does not have
>> a listed telephone number and could not be reached for comment.
>>
>> She was arraigned by City Court Judge Brian Hansbury, who
>> released her without bail after signing an order of
>> protection requiring her not to leave her son alone or
>> abuse him in any way.
>>
>> Police said the state's Child Protective Services agency
>> was notified of the arrest and is conducting its own
>> investigation.
>>
>> There was no word on whether the boy finished his
>> homework.
>>

[AnneF->]

Greegor wrote:
> AnneF-> wrote:
> > So will CPS provide free child care to single parents like this mother?
> > Or would CPS rather spend 40-60 thousand dollars a
> > year once a child like [this] one is in foster care?
>
> 40-60 K per year is only a FRACTION of what it costs.
>
> Based on newspaper reports a few years ago it looks
> like 160 K per year would even be low.
>
> If a family actually fights the legal costs could
> easily push the total package up to $ 230 K per year or more.
>
> All of those "contractors" add up fast.
>
> Probably with big bucks spent on state's attorneys and
> $ 200 spent on the public defender
> (raised from 50/hour up to 60/Hour in Iowa months ago).

If that is true than that's sad! Truly the money is not spending in
the right place.
A babysitter would have cost less than 20K.

AF

[Turin]

IOW, a case of "Supermom" blaming her kid instead of taking
responsibility as the adult, but still managing to hide
behind tradition like one.


"What this kid needs is a good kick in the rear end, to make
him do his homework" - oh, such a quaint and traditional
sounding line for a liberal to take to excuse a mother.

Yeah. Now that society has conveniently forgotten that most
"single mothers" are really just bimbos and that everyone
had to argue against traditional families in order to
accommodate their lifestyles - yeah - why NOT cherrypick
from that set of "values" that you rejected and blame the
kid? The whole point is to make others share the blame for
HER decisions. Let's break a young back, too.


Forget poor mommy's plight for a minute. Maybe THE BOY
actually lives in a ****ty unstructured environment - of HER
making. One which interferes with his ability to do some of
this deified "homework" which she can't be bothered doing
herself by going to college and getting a real job to
support her lifestyle.

Maybe SHE's got HIM living in a ****ing concrete jungle that
doesn't give him any opportunity to have two leave-raking
jobs, or any other picturesque guilt-trip which spoiled
two-parent liberals love to throw in the faces of poor boys
(so that they can exploit them as soon as they reach a ripe
age).


Maybe HIS young overly pressured mind was actually
accurately pinpointing one source of the problem that was
interfering with the demands being placed upon HIM, and he
did the only thing he could think of.

Maybe our virtuous widow was bringing home strange men all
the time - to the point that the old "are you going to be my
new dad" (or first), wore so thin that it wasn't even worth
thinking. Just maybe, this is a perfidious reversal and all
he WANTED was to do his homework. Maybe because it would
give him a point of reference away from the ugliness in the
whorehouse that he lives in, toward society's real rules,
because he knew he couldn't depend on her for anything more
than to play mom for other eyes to see. Maybe he was
getting so many mixed signals that calling the police was
just his way trying to tell someone that she wasn't really
being a parent.


Back to mommy. Yeah, Jr. should do his homework so that SHE
can keep living off of those setasides. Someday he'll need
to earn enough to pay his own child support to another
absentee wife, just like "Mom". Now that her youth is going
on her, and she's not one of the cute young thing getting
her perpetual "start", it's probably not fun doing floozy
work anymore.

In fact, it's probably downright unglamorous,
and that is often when even bigger problems start building
up in the single-mommy home. So, in the meantime, Jr. had
better be a model child who doesn't force her to stop to be
a parent. It cuts into her stay-young pursuits, as well as
her other whore's pursuits.


Why didn't our saintly, struggling "Mom" plan ahead by going
on to college, first, when doing so would have made it less
of a struggle? Lots of other women do.


Nobody told her?

Yeah, Right. Lying skank.


She "trusted" some guy (to pay her bills for her, for doing
30 minutes of meal preparation "work" a day), who then
"abandoned" her?

Yeah, right. If SHE does the walking out, and hurts
everyone in the wake of her actions, then NO ONE criticizes
her. It's up to everyone else to adapt. "**** all of you
people. It's MY life, MY body, MY decision ...MY
EVERYTHING."

Rather, she's cheered - making the whole rationale behind
"abandonment" meaningless. All she needs is a few lousy
excuses (lies) to justify her selfishness and she's in the
clear - for everything short of murder in front of 100
witnesses.


What's the real reason?

She was young. She knew how to get payment and prerogatives
by using her pussy. She didn't think about the future. She
was having a good time. Now, she's two years over the hill
and not so many guys look twice at her, anymore.


"Uh-oh!" "Better start putting on a fine 'mom' act!"

"Let's act like I give this kid everything!"

"Here: I work fast-food, but I'll buy him one pair of Nikes.
(Or, maybe I'll just have my mom buy them and tell
everyone it was me). Then, every time somebody is looking
critically at me, I'll bring up my one token effort and
stand back and watch while the world dumps my **** and shame
onto him. I deserve a break!

"Besides, isn't he a 'man'? Isn't he supposed to be the
'man' of the family? Isn't he supposed to be strong for me
when I'm abandoned?

"Oh, that's right. He's only ten years old and I did the
abandoning. No problem! I just have to practice my lines
to make sure I don't cross my lies too badly. Lots of
people WANT to believe me, and that's the ticket."


Oh, and which "liberal/commie/pinko media" outfit is it
that's writing this editorialized job, defending a single
mother and "destroying da family" because this kid is
obviously so in control of his environment (and her) that
she needs it? ...hahaha, why it's Gannett Co. Inc., "a
multi-media company serving the Lower Hudson Valley (New
York's Westchester, Rockland and Putnam counties) since 1850"

I'll be damned. I thought it was going to be Pravda. Or,
at least, PBS. ...CONSTANTLY! We're just ping-ponged back
and forth between ****ing liberals and ****ing
conservatives......






"I still lament my father's death;
when I lost my mother, I lit a perfect bonfire from joy."

~ The Marquis de Sade

- - -

Beloved of the Gods:

Turin


I have such sites to show you...
------------------------

http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First

------------------------

"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with,
deleteth, or maketh a lie about these words or causeth them
to not be known shall burn in hell forever and ever...."

-----





Greegor wrote:
> Mom works Fast Food to buy the kid Nike's and he does
> this. At age 10, fully able to call 911 for such crap, is
> leaving this kid alone for a few hours really neglect?
>
> Can't 10 year olds be certified for babysitting?
>
> http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NEWS02/612280344/1018/NEWS02
>
> http://www.nyjournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NEWS02/612280344
>
>
> White Plains boy calls cops on mom who ordered him to do
> homework By RICHARD LIEBSON THE JOURNAL NEWS (Original
> publication: December 28, 2006)
>
> WHITE PLAINS - She insisted her son do his homework the
> day after Christmas, so he called the cops on her.
>
> Now, the 10-year-old's mother is due in City Court today
> to answer to a child endangerment charge after police
> responding to the boy's 911 call discovered that he'd
> been left home alone.
>
> The 32-year-old mom was arrested Tuesday after her son
> made the emergency call and beseeched officers "to come
> and take his mother away because she was pressuring him
> to do his homework,'' according to a police report.
>
> When police arrived at the Ferris Avenue apartment, they
> found the youngster home alone and were informed that his
> mother was working a 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. shift at a local
> restaurant. While police were there, the boy's mother
> called to check on him.
>
> Mother and child were taken to police headquarters. The
> mom, whose name is being withheld by The Journal News to
> protect the boy's identity, was charged with endangering
> the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor. She does not have
> a listed telephone number and could not be reached for
> comment.
>
> She was arraigned by City Court Judge Brian Hansbury, who
> released her without bail after signing an order of
> protection requiring her not to leave her son alone or
> abuse him in any way.
>
> Police said the state's Child Protective Services agency
> was notified of the arrest and is conducting its own
> investigation.
>
> There was no word on whether the boy finished his
> homework.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> when i was 10 years old i had 2 jobs raking leaves and
> delivering newspapers. i lived with foster parents and
> when i needed money i worked as they also worked to raise
> their families. they arrested this woman for leaving her
> child alone at home , give me a break, this spoiled brat
> did not want to do his homework so he called 911. what
> he really needs is a job to keep him busy, to help out
> his mom who is doing the best that she can. now some
> child protection agency will put her on it's watch list.
> she will lose her job and go back on welfare. nice
> system, in fact her kid needs more than a job. like a
> good hit in the rear end. but i guess this would also get
> her locked up for child endangerment. sometimes these
> systems over do it, and cause more harm than good .
>
> Posted by: thomas j stroh on Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:49 am
>

[Dan Sullivan]

AnneF-> wrote:
> Greegor wrote:
> > AnneF-> wrote:
> > > So will CPS provide free child care to single parents like this mother?
> > > Or would CPS rather spend 40-60 thousand dollars a
> > > year once a child like [this] one is in foster care?
> >
> > 40-60 K per year is only a FRACTION of what it costs.
> >
> > Based on newspaper reports a few years ago it looks
> > like 160 K per year would even be low.
> >
> > If a family actually fights the legal costs could
> > easily push the total package up to $ 230 K per year or more.
> >
> > All of those "contractors" add up fast.
> >
> > Probably with big bucks spent on state's attorneys and
> > $ 200 spent on the public defender
> > (raised from 50/hour up to 60/Hour in Iowa months ago).
>
> If that is true than that's sad!

That info is from Greg Hanson.

His girlfriend's seven year old daughter was removed SIX YEARS ago
because of (he claims) "clutter."

Reunification with the mother is nowhere in sight.

If you think the figures Greg threw out were high, you should know he's
planning on suing Iowa DFS for millions because the removal lasted so
long.

Not that he's married to the mother or he's the little girl's real
father, just that he figures it's a cash cow looking to be milked.

Greg says he'll marry the mother when her daughter can attend the
ceremony.

Should be sometime in 2012.

I've got my tux reserved. ;-P

[anti-everything-bad]

Still around, huh greaser? You're getting
weak in your old age and piles of spew.

[0:->]

AnneF-> wrote:
> Carlson LaVonne wrote:
> > This 10 year old child was left alone. Can 10 year olds be left alone?
> > Of course. Of course, we also know nothing about this case, nor do
> > you, Greegor, know anything about how she was spending her money.
> > Perhaps she wasn't working for Nike's, but for food and shelter for her
> > child.
> >
> > The child's call to 911 was possibly a call for help. A call from a
> > little child who felt alone and abandoned. A little child who needed
> > the presence of a parent or caring adult? And yes, a 10 year old is a
> > little child.
> >
> > LaVonne
> >
> So will CPS provide free child care to single parents like this mother?

No. That's not their mandate. In other words, the legislature and the
people they represent won't allow CPS to do that. Take up lobbying,
Doan.

> Or would CPS
> rather spend 40-60 thousand dollars a year once a child like one is in
> foster care?

CPS doesn't make the call. My guess is that if you asked a worker and
let them know it would reduce their caseload, as well as meet the
dictates of conscience that led them originally to child protection and
family work, they'd go for the free daycare.

You have to remember (or maybe you don't since it won't service your
disruptive agenda) the both free daycare and spending a lot of the
citizens money are "liberal" agendas.

It's claimed that most child protection workers are socialists, or
liberals.

Get the connect here?

So, then, are YOU advocating that the CPS budget be spent on free day
care?

And if so, how that might lower child abuse and neglect?

In most cases children left home alone is not about "going to work,"
but going to Vegas or Atlantic City, Doan.
>
> AF ...
.... Silly boy.

Thanks for playing, Kane

[anti-everything-bad]

Ol' pole-hak-qu is still kanin', thinking it
can write, huh? Poor, poor THING!

[lostintranslation]

>
> I've got my tux reserved. ;-P

Hey Dan! Can I hitch a ride with ya to the wedding? I just got a
lovely Ren gown for my bday that would be most appropriate for such an
event! Greg, do you have a DJ lined up for the wedding that will
happen when Lisa's daughter comes home? If not, I'll bring along my
mixing table and all my CDs.

[0:->]

Greegor wrote:
> AnneF-> wrote:
>> So will CPS provide free child care to single parents like this mother?

Was this child removed?

>> Or would CPS rather spend 40-60 thousand dollars a
>> year once a child like [this] one is in foster care?

If the child wasn't removed the argument is specious.
>
> 40-60 K per year is only a FRACTION of what it costs.

Show your source, and your work product to support this claim.

>
> Based on newspaper reports a few years ago it looks
> like 160 K per year would even be low.

Which newspaper reports? Your ratio of errors to facts in such matters
is about 99%.

> If a family actually fights the legal costs could
> easily push the total package up to $ 230 K per year or more.

Wonderful blather, but based in this case on a specious argument.

> All of those "contractors" add up fast.

I doubt there's be a contractor involved in this case even IF the child
had been removed. Do you know for a fact he was?

> Probably with big bucks spent on state's attorneys and
> $ 200 spent on the public defender
> (raised from 50/hour up to 60/Hour in Iowa months ago).


Yep....those that file frivolous lawsuits, that they arranged the
circumstances to create do in fact, GREG, cost the taxpayers a lot of
money in insurance costs.

Know, GREG, that insurance companies are consulting on ALL such cases,
and if they take a notion, their investigations are far more vigorous
than even the state's AG office.

They are remorseless. My bet is they look everywhere there is any chance
of finding out about the frivolous lawsuit miscreant...even places like
this, simply by googling his or her name.


Now, you boys, though you have had fun peddling your propaganda offal,
just based it on an assumption not in evidence.

From the article YOU posted, Greg:

"She was arraigned by City Court Judge Brian Hansbury, who released her
without bail after signing an order of protection requiring her not to
leave her son alone or abuse him in any way. "

Gee, now what did that cost the people, eh?

Blame the child, for calling, or blame the parent for leaving a ten year
old, whose judgment is obviously that of less than a normal ten year
old, "come take my mom away" because she's making him do his homework?
The kid could have been retarded given that level of cause and effect
thinking.

So, what parent with a child that limited in his thinking capacity
SHOULD be leaving him alone?

He's likely to open the door to strangers because he's bored with
homework, or go skipping out and going who knows where.

You boys get stupider by the day, if that's possible.

Can't you come up with something better than spreading your nonsense
starting with a non sequitur?

R R R R R R R R

[0:->]

AnneF-> wrote:
> Greegor wrote:
>> AnneF-> wrote:
>>> So will CPS provide free child care to single parents like this mother?
>>> Or would CPS rather spend 40-60 thousand dollars a
>>> year once a child like [this] one is in foster care?
>> 40-60 K per year is only a FRACTION of what it costs.
>>
>> Based on newspaper reports a few years ago it looks
>> like 160 K per year would even be low.
>>
>> If a family actually fights the legal costs could
>> easily push the total package up to $ 230 K per year or more.
>>
>> All of those "contractors" add up fast.
>>
>> Probably with big bucks spent on state's attorneys and
>> $ 200 spent on the public defender
>> (raised from 50/hour up to 60/Hour in Iowa months ago).
>
> If that is true than that's sad! Truly the money is not spending in
> the right place.

See the public. See your legislator. Fix it then.

Surely you have a solution to the problem that feminist liberals
(socialists) have been trying for decades to resolve...cheap or free
child care.

> A babysitter would have cost less than 20K.

And who would that be? Greg?

This child, by the way, dummy Doan, was not removed. Remember, or can't
you read a cut and paste article?

Whatsamattah, USC catch up with your misuse of their servers? You
reduced to using anon remailers, or anon proxies?
>
> AF
>

[AnneF->]

0:-> wrote:
> AnneF-> wrote:
> > Greegor wrote:
> >> AnneF-> wrote:
> >>> So will CPS provide free child care to single parents like this mother?
> >>> Or would CPS rather spend 40-60 thousand dollars a
> >>> year once a child like [this] one is in foster care?
> >> 40-60 K per year is only a FRACTION of what it costs.
> >>
> >> Based on newspaper reports a few years ago it looks
> >> like 160 K per year would even be low.
> >>
> >> If a family actually fights the legal costs could
> >> easily push the total package up to $ 230 K per year or more.
> >>
> >> All of those "contractors" add up fast.
> >>
> >> Probably with big bucks spent on state's attorneys and
> >> $ 200 spent on the public defender
> >> (raised from 50/hour up to 60/Hour in Iowa months ago).
> >
> > If that is true than that's sad! Truly the money is not spending in
> > the right place.
>
> See the public. See your legislator. Fix it then.
>
Gee! If only I were the Emperor.

> Surely you have a solution to the problem that feminist liberals
> (socialists) have been trying for decades to resolve...cheap or free
> child care.
>
So you would rather spend 40K instead.

> > A babysitter would have cost less than 20K.
>
> And who would that be? Greg?
>
I heard there is alot of immigrants willing to do the job.

> This child, by the way, dummy Doan, was not removed. Remember, or can't
> you read a cut and paste article?
>
Now where in the post did I said that the child was removed?

> Whatsamattah, USC catch up with your misuse of their servers? You
> reduced to using anon remailers, or anon proxies?

What makes you think that? Are you exposing your stupidity in public
again?

AF
> >
> > AF
> >

[0:->]

AnneF-> wrote:
> 0:-> wrote:
> > AnneF-> wrote:
> > > Greegor wrote:
> > >> AnneF-> wrote:
> > >>> So will CPS provide free child care to single parents like this mother?
> > >>> Or would CPS rather spend 40-60 thousand dollars a
> > >>> year once a child like [this] one is in foster care?
> > >> 40-60 K per year is only a FRACTION of what it costs.
> > >>
> > >> Based on newspaper reports a few years ago it looks
> > >> like 160 K per year would even be low.
> > >>
> > >> If a family actually fights the legal costs could
> > >> easily push the total package up to $ 230 K per year or more.
> > >>
> > >> All of those "contractors" add up fast.
> > >>
> > >> Probably with big bucks spent on state's attorneys and
> > >> $ 200 spent on the public defender
> > >> (raised from 50/hour up to 60/Hour in Iowa months ago).
> > >
> > > If that is true than that's sad! Truly the money is not spending in
> > > the right place.
> >
> > See the public. See your legislator. Fix it then.
> >
> Gee! If only I were the Emperor.

Only Emperor's can speak out publicly, and to their legislator?

I must be in some other country....or you are.

> > Surely you have a solution to the problem that feminist liberals
> > (socialists) have been trying for decades to resolve...cheap or free
> > child care.
> >
> So you would rather spend 40K instead.

Now where did I say that?

> > > A babysitter would have cost less than 20K.
> >
> > And who would that be? Greg?
> >
> I heard there is alot of immigrants willing to do the job.

You looking for something more than dog food for dinner?

> > This child, by the way, dummy Doan, was not removed. Remember, or can't
> > you read a cut and paste article?
> >
> Now where in the post did I said that the child was removed?

Well, you'd have a hard time arguing that this child could have been
given a baby sitter base on the argument that otherwise it would cost
thousands to remove him...as you see, he was't removed.

Now were you referring to some other children? Like those who are
removed?

Most of those are removed for cause far more serious than leaving them
home alone at 10 years old.

> > Whatsamattah, USC catch up with your misuse of their servers? You
> > reduced to using anon remailers, or anon proxies?
>
> What makes you think that?

Cause you are a stupid asshole.

> Are you exposing your stupidity in public
> again?

Nope, just yours.

>
> AF

No class, Doan. Stupid, clumsy, crude, and half asleep.

Go back to your dogmeat dinner, dummy.

0:->

> > >
> > > AF
> > >

[Dragon's Girl]

AnneF-> wrote:
> Greegor wrote:
> > AnneF-> wrote:
> > > So will CPS provide free child care to single parents like this mother?
> > > Or would CPS rather spend 40-60 thousand dollars a
> > > year once a child like [this] one is in foster care?
> >
> > 40-60 K per year is only a FRACTION of what it costs.
> >
> > Based on newspaper reports a few years ago it looks
> > like 160 K per year would even be low.
> >
> > If a family actually fights the legal costs could
> > easily push the total package up to $ 230 K per year or more.
> >
> > All of those "contractors" add up fast.
> >
> > Probably with big bucks spent on state's attorneys and
> > $ 200 spent on the public defender
> > (raised from 50/hour up to 60/Hour in Iowa months ago).
>
> If that is true than that's sad! Truly the money is not spending in
> the right place.
> A babysitter would have cost less than 20K.
>
> AF

That $20K is also money that is paid by taxpayers...some surely people
who can't afford a $20K year babysitter.
Why should our tax money go to ongoing high expenses such as this for
parents who demonstrate an inability to responsibly care for their
children?

Why didn't this mom seek out alternatives?

I used to clean businesses at night and take my kids with me because I
could not pay for a babysitter...I don't mean that I could not AFFORD a
babysitter, I mean there was NO money for such a luxury. My children
were too old to qualify for state paid child care, and my only option
was to take them with me to work.

I know other parents who have done the same thing.

No one depended on the state to pay their child care. It's rediculous
to think that they should.

If you have kids take care of them or expect the state to 'help' you
take care of them.

[AnneF->]

0:-> wrote:
> AnneF-> wrote:
> > 0:-> wrote:
> > > AnneF-> wrote:
> > > > Greegor wrote:
> > > >> AnneF-> wrote:
> > > >>> So will CPS provide free child care to single parents like this mother?
> > > >>> Or would CPS rather spend 40-60 thousand dollars a
> > > >>> year once a child like [this] one is in foster care?
> > > >> 40-60 K per year is only a FRACTION of what it costs.
> > > >>
> > > >> Based on newspaper reports a few years ago it looks
> > > >> like 160 K per year would even be low.
> > > >>
> > > >> If a family actually fights the legal costs could
> > > >> easily push the total package up to $ 230 K per year or more.
> > > >>
> > > >> All of those "contractors" add up fast.
> > > >>
> > > >> Probably with big bucks spent on state's attorneys and
> > > >> $ 200 spent on the public defender
> > > >> (raised from 50/hour up to 60/Hour in Iowa months ago).
> > > >
> > > > If that is true than that's sad! Truly the money is not spending in
> > > > the right place.
> > >
> > > See the public. See your legislator. Fix it then.
> > >
> > Gee! If only I were the Emperor.
>
> Only Emperor's can speak out publicly, and to their legislator?
>
Fix it then!

> I must be in some other country....or you are.
>
I am in dreamland! ;-)

> > > Surely you have a solution to the problem that feminist liberals
> > > (socialists) have been trying for decades to resolve...cheap or free
> > > child care.
> > >
> > So you would rather spend 40K instead.
>
> Now where did I say that?
>
How much does it cost to care for a foster child?

> > > > A babysitter would have cost less than 20K.
> > >
> > > And who would that be? Greg?
> > >
> > I heard there is alot of immigrants willing to do the job.
>
> You looking for something more than dog food for dinner?
>
I am looking for a baby-sittier. How much doest it cost?

> > > This child, by the way, dummy Doan, was not removed. Remember, or can't
> > > you read a cut and paste article?
> > >
> > Now where in the post did I said that the child was removed?
>
> Well, you'd have a hard time arguing that this child could have been
> given a baby sitter base on the argument that otherwise it would cost
> thousands to remove him...as you see, he was't removed.
>
> Now were you referring to some other children? Like those who are
> removed?
>
> Most of those are removed for cause far more serious than leaving them
> home alone at 10 years old.
>
Really? Like being spanked?

> > > Whatsamattah, USC catch up with your misuse of their servers? You
> > > reduced to using anon remailers, or anon proxies?
> >
> > What makes you think that?
>
> Cause you are a stupid asshole.
>
Hahaha! From all the **** that came from your mouth, the asshole is
YOU!

> > Are you exposing your stupidity in public
> > again?
>
> Nope, just yours.
>
Hihihi! You were the one that claimed I used "anon remailers, or anon
proxies"!
You are the stupid one!
> >
> > AF
>
> No class, Doan. Stupid, clumsy, crude, and half asleep.
>
> Go back to your dogmeat dinner, dummy.
>
Hihihi! Your mom must be proud.

AF

> 0:->
>
> > > >
> > > > AF
> > > >

[Greegor]

http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061230/OPINION/612300316/1151

Lower Hudson area of New York

A kid's 911 call reminds us parents dodge many a bullet

(Original publication: December 30, 2006)

OK, we're going to say something that we don't really mean, just to get
it out of our system: Had "our" kid called 911 because we made him do
his homework, he would likely need the combined services of the
district attorney's office, the police department and child protective
services. And maybe the witness-protection program as well, because
they would have to let us out of the penitentiary eventually.

That was our unfiltered response to the story of the 10-year-old boy
who called police, asking that officers "come and take his mother
away," as police said, because she was pressuring him to do his
homework. Kids do say the most incriminating things. Yet we know there
is more to such a story than an overburdened 10-year-old and the police
who jumped to his 911 entreaties.

The mother on Thursday pleaded not guilty to a charge of child
endangerment, which was brought after responding officers discovered
the boy was home alone; his mother was working the 10 a.m. to 2 p.m.
shift at a local restaurant. She apparently gambled, as so many parents
do, that no calamity would intervene in her absence. During a call home
to check on her son, she discovered that the boy had company - White
Plains police.

A lesson learned

New York has no bright-line rule on how old a child should be before
she can be left alone; the answer is subjective, based upon the
maturity of the individual child. The instant case offers some
guidance, albeit it tautological: If a child calls the authorities
because mom cracks down on homework, the child probably isn't old
enough to be home alone. That said, we know next to nothing about this
mother, this 10-year-old, or any other relevant circumstances, or about
the authorities who have pressed the matter so far.

>From tragic experience, however, we do know that "home alone" can be
quite unfunny in real life, inasmuch as fires, poisonings, medical
emergencies and related calamities do not come with "advance" notice.
We can only hope, in any case, that the authorities investigating
"homework mom" exercise sound judgment; we suspect at this point that a
hard lesson has been learned, by her and no doubt countless others.

Rare is the parent - and by parent we mostly mean "mom" because that's
who typically is in charge of the kids - who doesn't roll the dice on
child care from time to time, praying their address won't end up in the
next day's police blotter. According to an October study by the
National Center for Children in Poverty, anywhere from 11 percent to 13
percent of children in grades kindergarten through eighth engaged in
"self-care" after school, meaning the kids are babysitting themselves.

Parents like us

The percentages are about the same at different income levels, a bit
higher for blacks, one-parent households and households where the
mother works 35 hours or more a week. That's legions of kids being left
to their own devices, whether for a few hours or sometimes longer. More
child-care alternatives - such as more affordable and accessible care,
and more after-school and community-based programs - would, of course,
free more parents of the "gamble" referenced above. Indeed, employers
and government certainly could do more to make such care more
available. (We bet if more bosses and elected officials were moms,
child-care would be as plentiful and accessible as mall parking spaces.

But in this age of two-income households, long commutes, busy schedules
and frequent surprises . . . let's just say there isn't much more than
grace separating many of us from the occasional "home alone" gamble and
an appearance in Family Court. We should cross our fingers that that
doesn't translate into more 911 calls and real emergencies.

[jd]

so if "mom" (or in rare cases dad) is incapable of providing appropraite
care, we should have pity on them? Maybe the kid should be with somone who
*can* provide the proper care..... Or maybe mom should spend the child
support (welfare) money she gets on day care or a babysitter.
-JD




"Greegor" > wrote in message
s.com...
> http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061230/OPINION/612300316/1151
>
> Lower Hudson area of New York
>
> A kid's 911 call reminds us parents dodge many a bullet
>
> (Original publication: December 30, 2006)
>
> OK, we're going to say something that we don't really mean, just to get
> it out of our system: Had "our" kid called 911 because we made him do
> his homework, he would likely need the combined services of the
> district attorney's office, the police department and child protective
> services. And maybe the witness-protection program as well, because
> they would have to let us out of the penitentiary eventually.
>
> That was our unfiltered response to the story of the 10-year-old boy
> who called police, asking that officers "come and take his mother
> away," as police said, because she was pressuring him to do his
> homework. Kids do say the most incriminating things. Yet we know there
> is more to such a story than an overburdened 10-year-old and the police
> who jumped to his 911 entreaties.
>
> The mother on Thursday pleaded not guilty to a charge of child
> endangerment, which was brought after responding officers discovered
> the boy was home alone; his mother was working the 10 a.m. to 2 p.m.
> shift at a local restaurant. She apparently gambled, as so many parents
> do, that no calamity would intervene in her absence. During a call home
> to check on her son, she discovered that the boy had company - White
> Plains police.
>
> A lesson learned
>
> New York has no bright-line rule on how old a child should be before
> she can be left alone; the answer is subjective, based upon the
> maturity of the individual child. The instant case offers some
> guidance, albeit it tautological: If a child calls the authorities
> because mom cracks down on homework, the child probably isn't old
> enough to be home alone. That said, we know next to nothing about this
> mother, this 10-year-old, or any other relevant circumstances, or about
> the authorities who have pressed the matter so far.
>
>>From tragic experience, however, we do know that "home alone" can be
> quite unfunny in real life, inasmuch as fires, poisonings, medical
> emergencies and related calamities do not come with "advance" notice.
> We can only hope, in any case, that the authorities investigating
> "homework mom" exercise sound judgment; we suspect at this point that a
> hard lesson has been learned, by her and no doubt countless others.
>
> Rare is the parent - and by parent we mostly mean "mom" because that's
> who typically is in charge of the kids - who doesn't roll the dice on
> child care from time to time, praying their address won't end up in the
> next day's police blotter. According to an October study by the
> National Center for Children in Poverty, anywhere from 11 percent to 13
> percent of children in grades kindergarten through eighth engaged in
> "self-care" after school, meaning the kids are babysitting themselves.
>
> Parents like us
>
> The percentages are about the same at different income levels, a bit
> higher for blacks, one-parent households and households where the
> mother works 35 hours or more a week. That's legions of kids being left
> to their own devices, whether for a few hours or sometimes longer. More
> child-care alternatives - such as more affordable and accessible care,
> and more after-school and community-based programs - would, of course,
> free more parents of the "gamble" referenced above. Indeed, employers
> and government certainly could do more to make such care more
> available. (We bet if more bosses and elected officials were moms,
> child-care would be as plentiful and accessible as mall parking spaces.
>
> But in this age of two-income households, long commutes, busy schedules
> and frequent surprises . . . let's just say there isn't much more than
> grace separating many of us from the occasional "home alone" gamble and
> an appearance in Family Court. We should cross our fingers that that
> doesn't translate into more 911 calls and real emergencies.
>

[lostintranslation]

jd wrote:
> so if "mom" (or in rare cases dad) is incapable of providing appropraite
> care, we should have pity on them? Maybe the kid should be with somone who
> *can* provide the proper care..... Or maybe mom should spend the child
> support (welfare) money she gets on day care or a babysitter.
> -JD

Call me a cold-hearted bitch if you want but I can't find any reason
why a parent can't find daycare these days. If money is an issue,
there are plenty of programs to help parents pay for daycare. These
programs are usually offered by social services/welfare department
either federally or locally.

In my opinion 10 is an iffy age, at best, to be left alone. I do know
a couple 10 year olds that could handle a couple hours alone at home
but the majority of 10 year olds just don't have the maturity to be
left alone. It's a very hard age. They aren't little kids anymore yet
they aren't teenagers yet either.

My daughter at 10 would have never been able to handle a minute alone
let alone several hours. Yet, my oldest son when he was 10 probably
could have. I never tested the waters in either case though. I even
have trouble leaving my daughter, now a mid-teen, alone for any longer
than a few minutes. It's all subjective as to when a child can be left
home alone.

[Dragon's Girl]

lostintranslation wrote:
> jd wrote:
> > so if "mom" (or in rare cases dad) is incapable of providing appropraite
> > care, we should have pity on them? Maybe the kid should be with somone who
> > *can* provide the proper care..... Or maybe mom should spend the child
> > support (welfare) money she gets on day care or a babysitter.
> > -JD
>
> Call me a cold-hearted bitch if you want but I can't find any reason
> why a parent can't find daycare these days. If money is an issue,
> there are plenty of programs to help parents pay for daycare. These
> programs are usually offered by social services/welfare department
> either federally or locally.
>
> In my opinion 10 is an iffy age, at best, to be left alone. I do know
> a couple 10 year olds that could handle a couple hours alone at home
> but the majority of 10 year olds just don't have the maturity to be
> left alone. It's a very hard age. They aren't little kids anymore yet
> they aren't teenagers yet either.
>
> My daughter at 10 would have never been able to handle a minute alone
> let alone several hours. Yet, my oldest son when he was 10 probably
> could have. I never tested the waters in either case though. I even
> have trouble leaving my daughter, now a mid-teen, alone for any longer
> than a few minutes. It's all subjective as to when a child can be left
> home alone.

I really don't want to fault anyone for their inability to pay for care
for their child from time to time. Things come up.
I had a friend who was working a part time job at night and paying her
sitter very little because the kids were in bed when the sitter was
there so they really didn't have to do anything but be there.
Well, her husband died, and suddenly she could not pay for the sitter
anymore, or the rent, or the food, or anything else.
It was just one of those things that happens in life that throws your
world into a tailspin.
It certainly didn't show that she was not capable of caring for her
kids, just going through a rough spot in life. That's all. It took
months and months for her to finally smooth things out, but she did.
I went through something similar when the kids dad and I were
divorcing, not getting any help from him at all, and he thought that he
owned the house, the cars, the business, everything and I owned
nothing, so there I was trying to support five kids on my income alone
and pay for sitters, I mean, it was a nightmare.
Temporary, but still didn't demonstrate that I could not take care of
my kids, just a little hump in the road full of humps in the road.
So, I understand that people fall on hard times, and that care is
expensive.
There are programs out there that can help, and they aren't all run by
the state or DFS.
The Salvation Army has some before and after school programs, as does
the Boys And Girls club, and in this area I believe that there are
churches that have daycares that are sliding scale fees.
The 'neglect' is in realizing you have problems and NOT looking for the
solution to those problems.

Betty

[Dragon's Girl]

lostintranslation wrote:
> >
> > I've got my tux reserved. ;-P
>
> Hey Dan! Can I hitch a ride with ya to the wedding? I just got a
> lovely Ren gown for my bday that would be most appropriate for such an
> event! Greg, do you have a DJ lined up for the wedding that will
> happen when Lisa's daughter comes home? If not, I'll bring along my
> mixing table and all my CDs.

Wait! I have a friend who runs a 'karaoke on the road' show, I could
get a couple hours for about $300, and I have another friend who
caters...so that could take care of the food.
Not to toot my own horn, but I do wedding decor, flowers, etc and have
for years now for family, friends, and those referred...I could do up
some LOVELY flowers for the wedding party, unity candles, etc.
I'm looking forward to the day :)