MISS BETTY'S ROMPER ROOM

[Greegor]

Dragon's Girl AKA Betty Jean Hammond Wirsen of Springfield MO wrote
> Now, if you have something valid and
> relevant to contribute, that's a different story.

That all depends on your perspective doesn't it Betty?

> Some of us here actually read this group
> for the information we might glean about
> cases that we are currently dealing with.

You are a case.

> And some of us
> post here in hopes of helping others find the information that they
> need.

> All this yapping between the two of you neither gives any info for
> others, nor is done for the purpose of gleaning FROM others.

Business as usual since your pack of system sucks invaded ascps.

> So what's the point in bringing it all here? Why can't you two hash
> that out via private mail,

Betty, with your past involvement with an attack pack
you know very well that it's all about smearing somebody
in public. (Traffic violations??)

> or another relevant group...if there isn't
> one, then start your own...
> may I suggest alt.egomaniacs.support?

Dan Sullivan runs that one, and his buddy Kane
has a monopoly on the Megalomania group as well.

[Ron]

"Greegor" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> Dragon's Girl AKA Betty Jean Hammond Wirsen of Springfield MO wrote
>> Now, if you have something valid and
>> relevant to contribute, that's a different story.
>
> That all depends on your perspective doesn't it Betty?
>
>> Some of us here actually read this group
>> for the information we might glean about
>> cases that we are currently dealing with.
>
> You are a case.
>
>> And some of us
>> post here in hopes of helping others find the information that they
>> need.
>
>> All this yapping between the two of you neither gives any info for
>> others, nor is done for the purpose of gleaning FROM others.
>
> Business as usual since your pack of system sucks invaded ascps.
>
>> So what's the point in bringing it all here? Why can't you two hash
>> that out via private mail,
>
> Betty, with your past involvement with an attack pack
> you know very well that it's all about smearing somebody
> in public. (Traffic violations??)
>
>> or another relevant group...if there isn't
>> one, then start your own...
>> may I suggest alt.egomaniacs.support?
>
> Dan Sullivan runs that one, and his buddy Kane
> has a monopoly on the Megalomania group as well.

So naturally gregg spamms this thread to 3 additional news groups which are
quite unrelated to the topic. Typical.

Is that why you asked ken here (alt.support.child-protective-services)
gregg? To learn his tactics from him? Do you think its going to earn you
some respect in these other news groups? Somehow I dont think thats going
to happen gregg. Not one bit.

Ron

BTW, I am in total agreement with Betty on this one. These two need to find
another playground, we have enough idiots here as it is.

[0:->]

Ron wrote:
> "Greegor" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
> > Dragon's Girl AKA Betty Jean Hammond Wirsen of Springfield MO wrote
> >> Now, if you have something valid and
> >> relevant to contribute, that's a different story.
> >
> > That all depends on your perspective doesn't it Betty?
> >
> >> Some of us here actually read this group
> >> for the information we might glean about
> >> cases that we are currently dealing with.
> >
> > You are a case.
> >
> >> And some of us
> >> post here in hopes of helping others find the information that they
> >> need.
> >
> >> All this yapping between the two of you neither gives any info for
> >> others, nor is done for the purpose of gleaning FROM others.
> >
> > Business as usual since your pack of system sucks invaded ascps.
> >
> >> So what's the point in bringing it all here? Why can't you two hash
> >> that out via private mail,
> >
> > Betty, with your past involvement with an attack pack
> > you know very well that it's all about smearing somebody
> > in public. (Traffic violations??)
> >
> >> or another relevant group...if there isn't
> >> one, then start your own...
> >> may I suggest alt.egomaniacs.support?
> >
> > Dan Sullivan runs that one, and his buddy Kane
> > has a monopoly on the Megalomania group as well.
>
> So naturally gregg spamms this thread to 3 additional news groups which are
> quite unrelated to the topic. Typical.
>
> Is that why you asked ken here (alt.support.child-protective-services)
> gregg? To learn his tactics from him? Do you think its going to earn you
> some respect in these other news groups? Somehow I dont think thats going
> to happen gregg. Not one bit.
>
> Ron
>
> BTW, I am in total agreement with Betty on this one. These two need to find
> another playground, we have enough idiots here as it is.

I believe on a couple of occasions I've mentioned that Greg was, and of
course still is, on a downward spiral.

It's a bit like watching a time lapse film running in reverse, very
fast.

At first he was nothing but a boyfriend that admitted to some rather
inappropriate behavior. Spanking someone else's kid, a little six year
old girl. Probably five at the time.

Then we find that he was punishing her for wetting herself, and forcing
her to take a cold shower.

Of course what comes to mind in such an admitted situation is that to
ensure she did in fact shower in cold water, he'd have had to monitor
the shower. Doubtful she'd have been clothed.

This bit of strangeness, devolved over time to more, on down through
learning he'd been smacked in the face so hard it broke a bone or two
by the little girl's grandfather, to the child having been removed, to
discovering things like "clutter" he claimed the child was removed for
(sort of forgetting the shower scenes with shampoo nazi pushing the
child's head under the shower, beach cabana towel boy make periodic
delivery of towels because the little girl couldn't remember them).

To demands the state or the child support payments go to storing his
crap that created the clutter.

Then we seem him moving into the nutso anti government ranter's camp,
writing impossibly and delusionally wild rants about everyone out to
get 'him.' when it was Lisa and her child that got 'got.'

Day after day, year after year of insinuations, claims without proofs,
rhetorical innuendo questions, engaging an admitted mentally ill person
in conversation to keep her wound up, and now this.

The invitation of a pack of liars, jackass trolls, flame queens,
****ants.

Anything, anything at all to disrupt this newsgroup from it's original
purpose: to both discuss CPS issues, and help families engaged with
CPS.

Mr. Destructo now is claiming that there is an attack pack out to get
him.

Not for a moment remembering, or even bothering to answer questions
concerning that he himself has been a source of constant attack of
people trying to do the two things this group is for....discuss CPS,
and help families.

His attacks against family is the most egregious of his babbling
vicious nonsense.

Kane

[krp]

"Ron" > wrote in message
...

> Is that why you asked ken here (alt.support.child-protective-services)
> gregg?

He didn't ask me here Ron. I came in here as a response to tip@ cotse's
posts here and anonymous forgeries.

[0:-]]

0:-> wrote:
> Ron wrote:
>> "Greegor" > wrote in message
>> ps.com...
>>> Dragon's Girl AKA Betty Jean Hammond Wirsen of Springfield MO wrote
>>>> Now, if you have something valid and
>>>> relevant to contribute, that's a different story.
>>> That all depends on your perspective doesn't it Betty?
>>>
>>>> Some of us here actually read this group
>>>> for the information we might glean about
>>>> cases that we are currently dealing with.
>>> You are a case.
>>>
>>>> And some of us
>>>> post here in hopes of helping others find the information that they
>>>> need.
>>>> All this yapping between the two of you neither gives any info for
>>>> others, nor is done for the purpose of gleaning FROM others.
>>> Business as usual since your pack of system sucks invaded ascps.
>>>
>>>> So what's the point in bringing it all here? Why can't you two hash
>>>> that out via private mail,
>>> Betty, with your past involvement with an attack pack
>>> you know very well that it's all about smearing somebody
>>> in public. (Traffic violations??)
>>>
>>>> or another relevant group...if there isn't
>>>> one, then start your own...
>>>> may I suggest alt.egomaniacs.support?
>>> Dan Sullivan runs that one, and his buddy Kane
>>> has a monopoly on the Megalomania group as well.
>> So naturally gregg spamms this thread to 3 additional news groups which are
>> quite unrelated to the topic. Typical.
>>
>> Is that why you asked ken here (alt.support.child-protective-services)
>> gregg? To learn his tactics from him? Do you think its going to earn you
>> some respect in these other news groups? Somehow I dont think thats going
>> to happen gregg. Not one bit.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> BTW, I am in total agreement with Betty on this one. These two need to find
>> another playground, we have enough idiots here as it is.
>
> I believe on a couple of occasions I've mentioned that Greg was, and of
> course still is, on a downward spiral.

Hi Don,

Speaking of downward spirals - when you took it upon yourself to spam
those kids to alt.adoption did you realize you had sunk lower than
anyone in internet history?

Were any of those vulnerable children raped and murdered because of your
narcissistic bumbling?

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

[Dragon's Girl]

Greegor wrote:
> Dragon's Girl AKA Betty Jean Hammond Wirsen of Springfield MO wrote
> > Now, if you have something valid and
> > relevant to contribute, that's a different story.
>
> That all depends on your perspective doesn't it Betty?

Nah, not really.
It seems to me that EVERYONE in this group has expressed a desire to
see their agenda met, and no one's agenda is troll behavior or off
topic warring.
Or, am I wrong about that Greg?

>
> > Some of us here actually read this group
> > for the information we might glean about
> > cases that we are currently dealing with.
>
> You are a case.

TYVM. And living quite well.
Say, how about yourself?
Spend a lot of time posting to usenet: No job as of late?
Oh yeah, and how IS your lawsuit and return of your paramour's
daughter coming along?

>
> > And some of us
> > post here in hopes of helping others find the information that they
> > need.
>
> > All this yapping between the two of you neither gives any info for
> > others, nor is done for the purpose of gleaning FROM others.
>
> Business as usual since your pack of system sucks invaded ascps.

Mine? I own other posters here?
Love ya Greg. You are just too simple not to love...like a puppy that
everyone else wants to drown.

>
> > So what's the point in bringing it all here? Why can't you two hash
> > that out via private mail,
>
> Betty, with your past involvement with an attack pack
> you know very well that it's all about smearing somebody
> in public. (Traffic violations??)

Did I say ANYTHING WHAT SO EVER about any traffic violations?
You conveniently do NOT take notice when I PURPOSELY stay out of a
conversation.
Right?

>
> > or another relevant group...if there isn't
> > one, then start your own...
> > may I suggest alt.egomaniacs.support?
>
> Dan Sullivan runs that one, and his buddy Kane
> has a monopoly on the Megalomania group as well.

If that is fact, then it is also fact that you, as well, fit the same
bill.

[Dan Sullivan]

Greegor wrote:
> Dragon's Girl AKA Betty Jean Hammond Wirsen of Springfield MO wrote
> > Now, if you have something valid and
> > relevant to contribute, that's a different story.
>
> That all depends on your perspective doesn't it Betty?
>
> > Some of us here actually read this group
> > for the information we might glean about
> > cases that we are currently dealing with.
>
> You are a case.
>
> > And some of us
> > post here in hopes of helping others find the information that they
> > need.
>
> > All this yapping between the two of you neither gives any info for
> > others, nor is done for the purpose of gleaning FROM others.
>
> Business as usual since your pack of system sucks invaded ascps.

As opposed to when king sh*t was running the place?

> > So what's the point in bringing it all here? Why can't you two hash
> > that out via private mail,
>
> Betty, with your past involvement with an attack pack
> you know very well that it's all about smearing somebody
> in public. (Traffic violations??)

Just jokin, Greg!

A child perv like you is worried about being smeared by traffic
violations?

HILARIOUS!!!!

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[Dan Sullivan]

Dan Sullivan wrote:
> Greegor wrote:
> > Dragon's Girl AKA Betty Jean Hammond Wirsen of Springfield MO wrote
> > > Now, if you have something valid and
> > > relevant to contribute, that's a different story.
> >
> > That all depends on your perspective doesn't it Betty?
> >
> > > Some of us here actually read this group
> > > for the information we might glean about
> > > cases that we are currently dealing with.
> >
> > You are a case.
> >
> > > And some of us
> > > post here in hopes of helping others find the information that they
> > > need.
> >
> > > All this yapping between the two of you neither gives any info for
> > > others, nor is done for the purpose of gleaning FROM others.
> >
> > Business as usual since your pack of system sucks invaded ascps.
>
> As opposed to when king sh*t was running the place?
>
> > > So what's the point in bringing it all here? Why can't you two hash
> > > that out via private mail,
> >
> > Betty, with your past involvement with an attack pack
> > you know very well that it's all about smearing somebody
> > in public. (Traffic violations??)
>
> Just jokin, Greg!
>
> A child perv like you is worried about being smeared by traffic
> violations?

HILARIOUS!!!!

[Greegor]

Dan, Why DID you harp on old traffic violations then genius?
Hoping you could hit paydirt and find a JAYWALKING ticket??

[Dan Sullivan]

Greegor wrote:
> Dan, Why DID you harp on old traffic violations then genius?
> Hoping you could hit paydirt and find a JAYWALKING ticket??

[krp]

"Dan Sullivan" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Greegor wrote:
>> Dan, Why DID you harp on old traffic violations then genius?
>> Hoping you could hit paydirt and find a JAYWALKING ticket??


(NO ANSWER NOTED)

Yeah why did you? Was that your best shot at Greg? WOW! Bad muffler????
WOW! THAT is sure a BIGGIE Ron! But more than that I really liked the
"burned out tail light" now THAT certainly proves Greg is on the FBI's 10
most wanted list!!!

[Greegor]

It's Dan that posted the 10 year old traffic tickets.

Even after being ridiculed for that, Dan wrote:
> A child perv like you is worried about being smeared by traffic
> violations? > HILARIOUS!!!!

Greegor wrote:
> Dan, Why DID you harp on old traffic violations then genius?
> Hoping you could hit paydirt and find a JAYWALKING ticket??

Dan quoted the above with no answer

krp wrote:
> Yeah why did you? Was that your best shot at Greg? WOW! Bad muffler????
> WOW! THAT is sure a BIGGIE Ron! But more than that I really liked the
> "burned out tail light" now THAT certainly proves Greg is on the FBI's 10
> most wanted list!!!

Ron didn't do this one. It's all Dan Sullivan's doing.

I have two 12 year old domestics but notice how Dan
says I'm a child perv. Iowa's Sex Offender registry
is very easy to use and Dan has my real name,
even my birthday thanks to an ""anonymous"" poster.
WHY hasn't Dan posted my page from there?

[0:->]

Greegor wrote:
> It's Dan that posted the 10 year old traffic tickets.
>
> Even after being ridiculed for that, Dan wrote:
>> A child perv like you is worried about being smeared by traffic
>> violations? > HILARIOUS!!!!
>
> Greegor wrote:
>> Dan, Why DID you harp on old traffic violations then genius?
>> Hoping you could hit paydirt and find a JAYWALKING ticket??
>
> Dan quoted the above with no answer
>
> krp wrote:
>> Yeah why did you? Was that your best shot at Greg? WOW! Bad muffler????
>> WOW! THAT is sure a BIGGIE Ron! But more than that I really liked the
>> "burned out tail light" now THAT certainly proves Greg is on the FBI's 10
>> most wanted list!!!
>
> Ron didn't do this one. It's all Dan Sullivan's doing.
>
> I have two 12 year old domestics but notice how Dan
> says I'm a child perv. Iowa's Sex Offender registry
> is very easy to use and Dan has my real name,
> even my birthday thanks to an ""anonymous"" poster.
> WHY hasn't Dan posted my page from there?

You were living in another state? Or, maybe you "bargained it down to a
neglect listing on the Child Abuse registry?" (ring a bell, Greg?)

RR R R R R

Your birth date was available in the court records on your domestic
abuse convictions most likely.

What nym did this "anonymous poster" use as their name here, Greg?

[Dan Sullivan]

Greegor wrote:
> It's Dan that posted the 10 year old traffic tickets.
>
> Even after being ridiculed for that, Dan wrote:
> > A child perv like you is worried about being smeared by traffic
> > violations? > HILARIOUS!!!!
>
> Greegor wrote:
> > Dan, Why DID you harp on old traffic violations then genius?
> > Hoping you could hit paydirt and find a JAYWALKING ticket??
>
> Dan quoted the above with no answer

The answer was in the change of the subject, Greg.

> krp wrote:
> > Yeah why did you? Was that your best shot at Greg? WOW! Bad muffler????
> > WOW! THAT is sure a BIGGIE Ron! But more than that I really liked the
> > "burned out tail light" now THAT certainly proves Greg is on the FBI's 10
> > most wanted list!!!
>
> Ron didn't do this one. It's all Dan Sullivan's doing.
>
> I have two 12 year old domestics but notice how Dan
> says I'm a child perv.

So?

> Iowa's Sex Offender registry
> is very easy to use and Dan has my real name,
> even my birthday thanks to an ""anonymous"" poster.
> WHY hasn't Dan posted my page from there?

You can post it, dingleberry.

[Greegor]

Greg wrote
> Iowa's Sex Offender registry
> is very easy to use and Dan has my real name,
> even my birthday thanks to an ""anonymous"" poster.
> WHY hasn't Dan posted my page from there?

Dan posted > You can post it, dingleberry.

You want ME to prove what isn't so about myself?
Isn't that YOUR territory Anonymous Dan?

[krp]

"Greegor" > wrote in message
oups.com...

> Ron didn't do this one. It's all Dan Sullivan's doing.

> I have two 12 year old domestics but notice how Dan
> says I'm a child perv. Iowa's Sex Offender registry
> is very easy to use and Dan has my real name,
> even my birthday thanks to an ""anonymous"" poster.
> WHY hasn't Dan posted my page from there?


Mr. Moore has posted claims that I am a registered sex offender in both
Wisconsin and Florida. Here is a challenge to Ron and Kane who BELIEVE
absolutely everything Moore claims. Both states have ON LINE registries.
EVERYONE who is on the registry in either state is listed. My name does NOT
appear on either state's registry. Mr. Moore claims that I had the listing
"NUKED." Just like he claims that some of those non-existent posts he claims
are form me, that don't appear in the Google or ANY OTHER archive - I had
"NUKED."

I challenge Ron and Kane to ask ANY of the people responsible for sex
offender registries IF an offender's listing can be "NUKED" by the offender.
Then I challenge them further, to contact the keepers of the registries in
Wisconsin and Florida and ask IF my name was EVER on the registry nuked or
not. Nice off net way to verify the truth of Moore or I.

Moore has made many specific allegations about me. Why don't you see if
they hold up? Call the registries. Of course if you refuse (I expect that)
then you have tied your credibility to that of David Moore. Good luck!

Greg and anyone else, feel FREE to check with the registries. You can do
it by phone or by e-mail. If you do it by e-mail feel free to share the
answer with the world.

GREAT OPPORTUNITY there Ron and Kane. You could really nail my ass to
the outhouse wall. Of course if Moore's claims are false you can also make
an ass of yourselves.

[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
news:drKdndwRqKsu0zjYnZ2dnUVZ_t3inZ2d@scnresearch. com...
> Greegor wrote:

>> Ron didn't do this one. It's all Dan Sullivan's doing.

>> I have two 12 year old domestics but notice how Dan
>> says I'm a child perv. Iowa's Sex Offender registry
>> is very easy to use and Dan has my real name,
>> even my birthday thanks to an ""anonymous"" poster.
>> WHY hasn't Dan posted my page from there?

> You were living in another state? Or, maybe you "bargained it down to a
> neglect listing on the Child Abuse registry?" (ring a bell, Greg?)

Got some proof of that wild allegation Kane?

[Greegor]

Kane wrote
> You were living in another state? Or, maybe you "bargained it down to a
> neglect listing on the Child Abuse registry?" (ring a bell, Greg?)

krp wrote > Got some proof of that wild allegation Kane?

Watch Kane post a long "filibuster" message.

[krp]

"Greegor" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Kane wrote
>> You were living in another state? Or, maybe you "bargained it down to a
>> neglect listing on the Child Abuse registry?" (ring a bell, Greg?)
>
> krp wrote > Got some proof of that wild allegation Kane?
>
> Watch Kane post a long "filibuster" message.


My bet is he won't even try to answer.

[0:->]

Greegor wrote:
> Kane wrote
>> You were living in another state? Or, maybe you "bargained it down to a
>> neglect listing on the Child Abuse registry?" (ring a bell, Greg?)
>
> krp wrote > Got some proof of that wild allegation Kane?
>
> Watch Kane post a long "filibuster" message.

See the question marks in my comment attributed above?

Remember the case you harped on here incessantly about a CPS worker
child molester?

Short enough for you stupid?

R R R R R R RR R R R R

Aren't you glad you have a playmate?

R R R R R R R R

You just make each other look stupid.

[Greegor]

Kane wrote
> Remember the case you harped on here
> incessantly about a CPS worker child molester?

You feel kinship to Geoffrey Rantz, the man from France
who now sits in a Colorado prison??

Or Stephen King in England the child abuse expert who was himself a
molester?

You hate that I'm "incessant" about mentioning them?

WHY would that be, Oh self proclaimed ""protector of children""?

[0:->]

Greegor wrote:
> Kane wrote
>> Remember the case you harped on here
>> incessantly about a CPS worker child molester?
>
> You feel kinship to Geoffrey Rantz, the man from France
> who now sits in a Colorado prison??

"Kinship?

> Or Stephen King in England the child abuse expert who was himself a
> molester?
>
> You hate that I'm "incessant" about mentioning them?

Nope. Just pointing it out.

When you run out of argument in a debate you can be trusted to bring
them up again....even if they are not relevant to the subject.
>
> WHY would that be, Oh self proclaimed ""protector of children""?
>
"Fell kinship?"

I don't. Why would you ask such an obviously rhetorical lie, Greg?

And why, again, <sigh> snip those attributions that shows the context
was nothing like what you just posted?

0:-]

[Dan Sullivan]

Greegor wrote:
> Kane wrote
> > Remember the case you harped on here
> > incessantly about a CPS worker child molester?
>
> You feel kinship to Geoffrey Rantz, the man from France
> who now sits in a Colorado prison??
>
> Or Stephen King in England the child abuse expert who was himself a
> molester?
>
> You hate that I'm "incessant" about mentioning them?
>
> WHY would that be, Oh self proclaimed ""protector of children""?

What you did to Lisa Watkins' little girl is no different than what
Rantz and King did to their victims, Greg.

You bring up what Rantz and King did in an attempt to diminish what you
did.

[Greegor]

Isn't there at least one NATIONAL Sex Offender registry?
I noticed hints of such..


krp wrote:
> "Greegor" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
> > Ron didn't do this one. It's all Dan Sullivan's doing.
>
> > I have two 12 year old domestics but notice how Dan
> > says I'm a child perv. Iowa's Sex Offender registry
> > is very easy to use and Dan has my real name,
> > even my birthday thanks to an ""anonymous"" poster.
> > WHY hasn't Dan posted my page from there?
>
>
> Mr. Moore has posted claims that I am a registered sex offender in both
> Wisconsin and Florida. Here is a challenge to Ron and Kane who BELIEVE
> absolutely everything Moore claims. Both states have ON LINE registries.
> EVERYONE who is on the registry in either state is listed. My name does NOT
> appear on either state's registry. Mr. Moore claims that I had the listing
> "NUKED." Just like he claims that some of those non-existent posts he claims
> are form me, that don't appear in the Google or ANY OTHER archive - I had
> "NUKED."
>
> I challenge Ron and Kane to ask ANY of the people responsible for sex
> offender registries IF an offender's listing can be "NUKED" by the offender.
> Then I challenge them further, to contact the keepers of the registries in
> Wisconsin and Florida and ask IF my name was EVER on the registry nuked or
> not. Nice off net way to verify the truth of Moore or I.
>
> Moore has made many specific allegations about me. Why don't you see if
> they hold up? Call the registries. Of course if you refuse (I expect that)
> then you have tied your credibility to that of David Moore. Good luck!
>
> Greg and anyone else, feel FREE to check with the registries. You can do
> it by phone or by e-mail. If you do it by e-mail feel free to share the
> answer with the world.
>
> GREAT OPPORTUNITY there Ron and Kane. You could really nail my ass to
> the outhouse wall. Of course if Moore's claims are false you can also make
> an ass of yourselves.

[Dan Sullivan]

Greegor wrote:
> Isn't there at least one NATIONAL Sex Offender registry?
> I noticed hints of such..

Greg: I noticed hints... I heard.... I read.... I know of.... I'm aware
of....

All your BS, Greg.

[krp]

"Greegor" > wrote in message
ups.com...

> Isn't there at least one NATIONAL Sex Offender registry? I noticed hints
> of such..

Yeah but it isn't 100%. The two states in question, Wisconsin and
Florida have full registries on line. I see Ron and Kane are avoiding this
subject. One need not wonder why.

>> Mr. Moore has posted claims that I am a registered sex offender in
>> both
>> Wisconsin and Florida. Here is a challenge to Ron and Kane who BELIEVE
>> absolutely everything Moore claims. Both states have ON LINE
>> registries.
>> EVERYONE who is on the registry in either state is listed. My name does
>> NOT
>> appear on either state's registry. Mr. Moore claims that I had the
>> listing
>> "NUKED." Just like he claims that some of those non-existent posts he
>> claims
>> are form me, that don't appear in the Google or ANY OTHER archive - I had
>> "NUKED."
>>
>> I challenge Ron and Kane to ask ANY of the people responsible for sex
>> offender registries IF an offender's listing can be "NUKED" by the
>> offender.
>> Then I challenge them further, to contact the keepers of the registries
>> in
>> Wisconsin and Florida and ask IF my name was EVER on the registry nuked
>> or
>> not. Nice off net way to verify the truth of Moore or I.
>>
>> Moore has made many specific allegations about me. Why don't you see
>> if
>> they hold up? Call the registries. Of course if you refuse (I expect
>> that)
>> then you have tied your credibility to that of David Moore. Good luck!
>>
>> Greg and anyone else, feel FREE to check with the registries. You can
>> do
>> it by phone or by e-mail. If you do it by e-mail feel free to share the
>> answer with the world.
>>
>> GREAT OPPORTUNITY there Ron and Kane. You could really nail my ass to
>> the outhouse wall. Of course if Moore's claims are false you can also
>> make
>> an ass of yourselves.
>

[Ron]

" krp" > wrote in message
news:vgNph.5$E35.1@trnddc02...
>
> "Greegor" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>
>> Isn't there at least one NATIONAL Sex Offender registry? I noticed hints
>> of such..
>
> Yeah but it isn't 100%. The two states in question, Wisconsin and
> Florida have full registries on line. I see Ron and Kane are avoiding this
> subject. One need not wonder why.

No gregg, there is not a National Sex Offender Registry. Each state
currently maintains its own registry. There are efforts underway to
establish a National Registry, but those efforts are being blocked or
stalled by some advocacy groups and quasi-judicial action groups.

Now there is a cause you could get behind gregg. The only bad part (for
you) is that your name might appear on such a list.

Ron


>>> Mr. Moore has posted claims that I am a registered sex offender in
>>> both
>>> Wisconsin and Florida. Here is a challenge to Ron and Kane who BELIEVE
>>> absolutely everything Moore claims. Both states have ON LINE
>>> registries.
>>> EVERYONE who is on the registry in either state is listed. My name does
>>> NOT
>>> appear on either state's registry. Mr. Moore claims that I had the
>>> listing
>>> "NUKED." Just like he claims that some of those non-existent posts he
>>> claims
>>> are form me, that don't appear in the Google or ANY OTHER archive - I
>>> had
>>> "NUKED."
>>>
>>> I challenge Ron and Kane to ask ANY of the people responsible for
>>> sex
>>> offender registries IF an offender's listing can be "NUKED" by the
>>> offender.
>>> Then I challenge them further, to contact the keepers of the registries
>>> in
>>> Wisconsin and Florida and ask IF my name was EVER on the registry nuked
>>> or
>>> not. Nice off net way to verify the truth of Moore or I.
>>>
>>> Moore has made many specific allegations about me. Why don't you see
>>> if
>>> they hold up? Call the registries. Of course if you refuse (I expect
>>> that)
>>> then you have tied your credibility to that of David Moore. Good luck!
>>>
>>> Greg and anyone else, feel FREE to check with the registries. You
>>> can do
>>> it by phone or by e-mail. If you do it by e-mail feel free to share the
>>> answer with the world.
>>>
>>> GREAT OPPORTUNITY there Ron and Kane. You could really nail my ass
>>> to
>>> the outhouse wall. Of course if Moore's claims are false you can also
>>> make
>>> an ass of yourselves.
>>
>
>

[Sherman]

Try these:

http://www.nsopr.gov/
and
http://www.familywatchdog.us/Default.asp

Watchdog is doing an impressive job. It will notify you if an offender
moves OUT of your area too. Sherman.



"Ron" > wrote in message
...
>
> " krp" > wrote in message
> news:vgNph.5$E35.1@trnddc02...
>>
>> "Greegor" > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>>
>>> Isn't there at least one NATIONAL Sex Offender registry? I noticed hints
>>> of such..
>>
>> Yeah but it isn't 100%. The two states in question, Wisconsin and
>> Florida have full registries on line. I see Ron and Kane are avoiding
>> this subject. One need not wonder why.
>
> No gregg, there is not a National Sex Offender Registry. Each state
> currently maintains its own registry. There are efforts underway to
> establish a National Registry, but those efforts are being blocked or
> stalled by some advocacy groups and quasi-judicial action groups.
>
> Now there is a cause you could get behind gregg. The only bad part (for
> you) is that your name might appear on such a list.
>
> Ron
>
>
>>>> Mr. Moore has posted claims that I am a registered sex offender in
>>>> both
>>>> Wisconsin and Florida. Here is a challenge to Ron and Kane who BELIEVE
>>>> absolutely everything Moore claims. Both states have ON LINE
>>>> registries.
>>>> EVERYONE who is on the registry in either state is listed. My name does
>>>> NOT
>>>> appear on either state's registry. Mr. Moore claims that I had the
>>>> listing
>>>> "NUKED." Just like he claims that some of those non-existent posts he
>>>> claims
>>>> are form me, that don't appear in the Google or ANY OTHER archive - I
>>>> had
>>>> "NUKED."
>>>>
>>>> I challenge Ron and Kane to ask ANY of the people responsible for
>>>> sex
>>>> offender registries IF an offender's listing can be "NUKED" by the
>>>> offender.
>>>> Then I challenge them further, to contact the keepers of the registries
>>>> in
>>>> Wisconsin and Florida and ask IF my name was EVER on the registry nuked
>>>> or
>>>> not. Nice off net way to verify the truth of Moore or I.
>>>>
>>>> Moore has made many specific allegations about me. Why don't you
>>>> see if
>>>> they hold up? Call the registries. Of course if you refuse (I expect
>>>> that)
>>>> then you have tied your credibility to that of David Moore. Good luck!
>>>>
>>>> Greg and anyone else, feel FREE to check with the registries. You
>>>> can do
>>>> it by phone or by e-mail. If you do it by e-mail feel free to share the
>>>> answer with the world.
>>>>
>>>> GREAT OPPORTUNITY there Ron and Kane. You could really nail my ass
>>>> to
>>>> the outhouse wall. Of course if Moore's claims are false you can also
>>>> make
>>>> an ass of yourselves.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Ron]

krp wrote:
> "Greegor" > wrote in message
> oups.com...

(snip)

> GREAT OPPORTUNITY there Ron and Kane. You could really nail my ass to
> the outhouse wall. Of course if Moore's claims are false you can also make
> an ass of yourselves.

Assuming that Ken Pangborn is your real name, that you have not changed it
legally or illegally, here is what I found.

Wisconsin: No listings for Ken Pangborn
Florida: No listings for Ken Pangborn

Happy now?

Ron

[Greegor]

http://www.nsopr.gov/
SULLIVAN, DANIEL MICHAEL ME N/A NORTH BERWICK 03906
SULLIVAN, DANIEL PATRICK MI BARAGA LANSE 49946
SULLIVAN, DANIEL R ME N/A PORTLAND 04103
SULLIVAN, DANIEL THOMAS AL CHILTON CALERA 35040
SULLIVAN, DANIEL JACKSON KY JEFFERSON LOUISVILLE 40218

HANSON, GREGORY IL LAKE ROUND LAKE PARK 60073

HANSEN, GREGG BENNETT CA SACRAMENTO CITRUS HEIGHTS 95621

FISHER, DONALD BUFORD IN ELKHART ELKHART 46516
FISHER, DONALD D MO DUNKLIN KENNETT 63857
FISHER, DONALD E TN DAVIDSON NASHVILLE 37216
FISHER, DONALD J MO CLAY GLADSTONE 64118
FISHER, DONALD L OH CLERMONT PLEASANT PLAINS 45162
FISHER, DONALD LEE CA SACRAMENTO SACRAMENTO 95829
FISHER, DONALD LEE JR SC BAMBERG DENMARK 29042

No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ list




Ron wrote:
> krp wrote:
> > "Greegor" > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
>
> (snip)
>
> > GREAT OPPORTUNITY there Ron and Kane. You could really nail my ass to
> > the outhouse wall. Of course if Moore's claims are false you can also make
> > an ass of yourselves.
>
> Assuming that Ken Pangborn is your real name, that you have not changed it
> legally or illegally, here is what I found.
>
> Wisconsin: No listings for Ken Pangborn
> Florida: No listings for Ken Pangborn
>
> Happy now?
>
> Ron

[0:->]

Greegor wrote:
> http://www.nsopr.gov/
> SULLIVAN, DANIEL MICHAEL ME N/A NORTH BERWICK 03906
> SULLIVAN, DANIEL PATRICK MI BARAGA LANSE 49946
> SULLIVAN, DANIEL R ME N/A PORTLAND 04103
> SULLIVAN, DANIEL THOMAS AL CHILTON CALERA 35040
> SULLIVAN, DANIEL JACKSON KY JEFFERSON LOUISVILLE 40218
>
> HANSON, GREGORY IL LAKE ROUND LAKE PARK 60073
>
> HANSEN, GREGG BENNETT CA SACRAMENTO CITRUS HEIGHTS 95621
>
> FISHER, DONALD BUFORD IN ELKHART ELKHART 46516
> FISHER, DONALD D MO DUNKLIN KENNETT 63857
> FISHER, DONALD E TN DAVIDSON NASHVILLE 37216
> FISHER, DONALD J MO CLAY GLADSTONE 64118
> FISHER, DONALD L OH CLERMONT PLEASANT PLAINS 45162
> FISHER, DONALD LEE CA SACRAMENTO SACRAMENTO 95829
> FISHER, DONALD LEE JR SC BAMBERG DENMARK 29042
>
> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ list

It is my opinion that Pangborn himself forged that accusation.

It's a well known technique to garner sympathy for the "victim," one's
self, and raise indignation against the actual target...in this case
those that disagree with him.

It may well be that Moore never made such a claim at all.

Have you asked Moore, and if he made the claim upon what he bases that
claim?

Don't you know how to focus and step your way through even a simple two
dimensional fact finding, Greg?

Or would you rather play krp's lapdog because it better suits your
purpose of disrupting the ascps newsgroup?

You don't want the truth, any more than you want to improve CPS
operations, and for the same reason as this little truth avoidance game
you are playing.

In a sicko like you only a chaotic environment makes you feel
comfortable because your own shortcomings, moral and otherwise, are
harder to see against the complex background such an environment affords.

Why did you make that little girl take cold showers, Greg? Really.

0:-|



>
>
>
>
> Ron wrote:
>> krp wrote:
>>> "Greegor" > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>> (snip)
>>
>>> GREAT OPPORTUNITY there Ron and Kane. You could really nail my ass to
>>> the outhouse wall. Of course if Moore's claims are false you can also make
>>> an ass of yourselves.
>> Assuming that Ken Pangborn is your real name, that you have not changed it
>> legally or illegally, here is what I found.
>>
>> Wisconsin: No listings for Ken Pangborn
>> Florida: No listings for Ken Pangborn
>>
>> Happy now?
>>
>> Ron
>

[krp]

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
>
> (snip)
>
>> GREAT OPPORTUNITY there Ron and Kane. You could really nail my ass to
>> the outhouse wall. Of course if Moore's claims are false you can also
>> make
>> an ass of yourselves.
>
> Assuming that Ken Pangborn is your real name, that you have not changed it
> legally or illegally, here is what I found.

GOOD ONE! GREAT answer! So tell me Ron, what's my CRIMINAL child molester
alias???
>
> Wisconsin: No listings for Ken Pangborn
> Florida: No listings for Ken Pangborn
>
> Happy now?

DO an all 50 search Ron......... But your HERO (Davey Moore claims he has
PROOF that I am a registered sex offender in both states) ASK HIM FOR THAT
PROOF! See IF you ever see it!

Remember Ron YOUR credibility now RESTS on that of DAVID MOORE! That's
right 100% of YOUR credibility is now floating on David Moore's back.
You'd better find some proof to support his claims. Because YOU float or
sink with him now. Ya made your bed. Hope it is COMFY Ron.


OR you could consider an apology? But with your personality type - that is
NEVER going to happen!

[krp]

"Greegor" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> http://www.nsopr.gov/
> SULLIVAN, DANIEL MICHAEL ME N/A NORTH BERWICK 03906
> SULLIVAN, DANIEL PATRICK MI BARAGA LANSE 49946
> SULLIVAN, DANIEL R ME N/A PORTLAND 04103
> SULLIVAN, DANIEL THOMAS AL CHILTON CALERA 35040
> SULLIVAN, DANIEL JACKSON KY JEFFERSON LOUISVILLE 40218
>
> HANSON, GREGORY IL LAKE ROUND LAKE PARK 60073
>
> HANSEN, GREGG BENNETT CA SACRAMENTO CITRUS HEIGHTS 95621
>
> FISHER, DONALD BUFORD IN ELKHART ELKHART 46516
> FISHER, DONALD D MO DUNKLIN KENNETT 63857
> FISHER, DONALD E TN DAVIDSON NASHVILLE 37216
> FISHER, DONALD J MO CLAY GLADSTONE 64118
> FISHER, DONALD L OH CLERMONT PLEASANT PLAINS 45162
> FISHER, DONALD LEE CA SACRAMENTO SACRAMENTO 95829
> FISHER, DONALD LEE JR SC BAMBERG DENMARK 29042
>
> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ list

Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100% of his
allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of Moore's claims.

They embraced Moore as "accurate" about me. ENDORSED his allegations about
me. ALL OF THEM and linked THEIR credibility to his!

[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
news:yYSdnRNfjr4QzjXYnZ2dnUVZ_tSunZ2d@scnresearch. com...
> Greegor wrote:
>>
>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ list
>
> It is my opinion that Pangborn himself forged that accusation.

GOOD ONE, how do you explain the pGP signature Moore claims is his on it???
But GOOD try to escape your fate of a sinking credibility Kane. Desperate,
but a real effort to save your ass.

> It's a well known technique to garner sympathy for the "victim," one's
> self, and raise indignation against the actual target...in this case those
> that disagree with him.

Read what you right RETARD! Then apply it to Moore's allegations.

> It may well be that Moore never made such a claim at all.

Yes he has REPEATEDLY over the years. Under FREEDOM and several of his
other past and present ID's. Good luck trying to wiggle out of this Kane!

> Have you asked Moore, and if he made the claim upon what he bases that
> claim?

Have YOU? LOOk it's all over the net. Just google it.

> Don't you know how to focus and step your way through even a simple two
> dimensional fact finding, Greg?

It's apparent YOU don't.

> Or would you rather play krp's lapdog because it better suits your purpose
> of disrupting the ascps newsgroup?

Maybe it suits him, nice diversion form the FACT that your HERO'S
allegations are BULL**** there Kane. I can understand your desperation for
finding some rationalization for this. It's one of the neat things about
ANONYMOUS REMAILERS - you can always DENY DENY DENY DENY DENY DENY! Good
choice there Kane. Support the ANONYMOUS ACCUSER!

> You don't want the truth, any more than you want to improve CPS
> operations, and for the same reason as this little truth avoidance game
> you are playing.

You don't want the truth, which is why you have never checked out the
claims your hero makes about me.

> In a sicko like you only a chaotic environment makes you feel comfortable
> because your own shortcomings, moral and otherwise, are harder to see
> against the complex background such an environment affords.

I think that diagnosis applies to YOUR motivations in posting here Kane.
Simple look for posts on the subject "KEN PANGBORN REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER"
and while Moore can delete his posts as "Freedom" he can't delete his other
posts or the replied of myself or others QUOTING his allegations.

Sorry Kane, you and Ron are STUCK with what you have endorsed!

[Ron]

" krp" > wrote in message
news:u76qh.155$AG6.143@trnddc06...
>
> "Ron" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>>> GREAT OPPORTUNITY there Ron and Kane. You could really nail my ass
>>> to
>>> the outhouse wall. Of course if Moore's claims are false you can also
>>> make
>>> an ass of yourselves.
>>
>> Assuming that Ken Pangborn is your real name, that you have not changed
>> it
>> legally or illegally, here is what I found.
>
> GOOD ONE! GREAT answer! So tell me Ron, what's my CRIMINAL child molester
> alias???
>>
>> Wisconsin: No listings for Ken Pangborn
>> Florida: No listings for Ken Pangborn
>>
>> Happy now?
>
> DO an all 50 search Ron......... But your HERO (Davey Moore claims he has
> PROOF that I am a registered sex offender in both states) ASK HIM FOR THAT
> PROOF! See IF you ever see it!
>
> Remember Ron YOUR credibility now RESTS on that of DAVID MOORE! That's
> right 100% of YOUR credibility is now floating on David Moore's back.
> You'd better find some proof to support his claims. Because YOU float or
> sink with him now. Ya made your bed. Hope it is COMFY Ron.
>
>
> OR you could consider an apology? But with your personality type - that is
> NEVER going to happen!

My credibility is quite safe and secure ken. Yours on the other hand is
already trashed, so you have nothing to loose by making claims about the
credibility of others. After all, you have taken such pains to trash your
own credibility, it would be a shame to ask you to support any of the claims
that you make in the above post. By doing so I might be considered the
instrument of further trashing of your reputation on the internet, and I
don't think I could bear that.

Ron

[krp]

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
>>> Wisconsin: No listings for Ken Pangborn
>>> Florida: No listings for Ken Pangborn
>>
>> OR you could consider an apology? But with your personality type - that
>> is NEVER going to happen!
>
> My credibility is quite safe and secure ken.

Keep telling yourself that Ron.

[Dan Sullivan]

krp wrote:
> "Greegor" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
> > http://www.nsopr.gov/
> > SULLIVAN, DANIEL MICHAEL ME N/A NORTH BERWICK 03906
> > SULLIVAN, DANIEL PATRICK MI BARAGA LANSE 49946
> > SULLIVAN, DANIEL R ME N/A PORTLAND 04103
> > SULLIVAN, DANIEL THOMAS AL CHILTON CALERA 35040
> > SULLIVAN, DANIEL JACKSON KY JEFFERSON LOUISVILLE 40218
> >
> > HANSON, GREGORY IL LAKE ROUND LAKE PARK 60073
> >
> > HANSEN, GREGG BENNETT CA SACRAMENTO CITRUS HEIGHTS 95621
> >
> > FISHER, DONALD BUFORD IN ELKHART ELKHART 46516
> > FISHER, DONALD D MO DUNKLIN KENNETT 63857
> > FISHER, DONALD E TN DAVIDSON NASHVILLE 37216
> > FISHER, DONALD J MO CLAY GLADSTONE 64118
> > FISHER, DONALD L OH CLERMONT PLEASANT PLAINS 45162
> > FISHER, DONALD LEE CA SACRAMENTO SACRAMENTO 95829
> > FISHER, DONALD LEE JR SC BAMBERG DENMARK 29042
> >
> > No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ list
>
> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100% of his
> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of Moore's claims.

KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the focus off
of him.

And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!

You are in a class by yourself in that regard.

Fromage, Dan

[krp]

"Dan Sullivan" > wrote in message
oups.com...

>> > No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ list

>> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100% of his
>> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of Moore's
>> claims.

> KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the focus off of
> him.

No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here because of
faked message about me and my credentials.

> And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!

I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone else.

[Dan Sullivan]

krp wrote:
> "Dan Sullivan" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
> >> > No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ list
>
> >> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100% of his
> >> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of Moore's
> >> claims.
>
> > KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the focus off of
> > him.
>
> No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here because of
> faked message about me and my credentials.
>
> > And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!
>
> I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone else.

Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than this!!!!

Greg had nothing to do with it????

Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.

Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake diplomas... you
know... the usual.

Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear this
up," which is all about you.

The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???"

Because he's looking for Greg to support his claims.

THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would.

And you've fallen for Greg's ploy and been suckered into asCPS.

How's it feel?

You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass like Greg
can play you like a two dollar violin?

[monkeysgirl]

Dan Sullivan wrote:

Your ot drivel is not welcome.

Are you pangs nephew? Why do you support his ot drivel here on ASCPS?

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

[Dan Sullivan]

Dan Sullivan wrote:
> krp wrote:
> > "Dan Sullivan" > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> >
> > >> > No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ list
> >
> > >> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100% of his
> > >> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of Moore's
> > >> claims.
> >
> > > KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the focus off of
> > > him.
> >
> > No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here because of
> > faked message about me and my credentials.
> >
> > > And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!
> >
> > I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone else.
>
> Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than this!!!!
>
> Greg had nothing to do with it????
>
> Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.
>
> Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake diplomas... you
> know... the usual.
>
> Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear this
> up," which is all about you.
>
> The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???"
>
> Because he's looking for Greg to support his claims.
>
> THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would.
>
> And you've fallen for Greg's ploy and been suckered into asCPS.
>
> How's it feel?
>
> You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass like Greg
> can play you like a two dollar violin???

[monkeysgirl]

Dan Sullivan wrote:

Are you pangs nephew?

Why do you support his ot rants?

--
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[Dan Sullivan]

monkeysgirl wrote:
> Dan Sullivan wrote:
>
> Are you pangs nephew?
>
> Why do you support his ot rants?

I don't.

You're too stupid to know what's going on.

[monkeysgirl]

Dan Sullivan wrote:
> monkeysgirl wrote:
>> Dan Sullivan wrote:
>>
>> Are you pangs nephew?
>>
>> Why do you support his ot rants?

--
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[Dan Sullivan]

Dan Sullivan wrote:
> monkeysgirl wrote:
> > Dan Sullivan wrote:
> >
> > Are you pangs nephew?
> >
> > Why do you support his ot rants?
>
> I don't.
>
> You're too stupid to know what's going on.

Everyone of your posts prove it.

[krp]

"Dan Sullivan" > wrote in message
ups.com...

>> >> > No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ list

>> >> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100% of his
>> >> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of Moore's
>> >> claims.

>> > KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the focus off
>> > of
>> > him.

>> No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here because of
>> faked message about me and my credentials.

>> > And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!

>> I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Greg's or anyone else.

> Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than this!!!!

I know who began the posts and it was not Greg it was my STALKER. Try
again Dan.

> Greg had nothing to do with it????

> Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.

That was AFTER the original post making claims about my education made
by Mr. Moore under one of his varios anonymous ID's.

> Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake diplomas... you
> know... the usual.

I know he took that line for a while. Just like Ron and Kane are taking
one of Moore's lines now.

> Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear this up,"
> which is all about you.

That was a followup flame from Moore.

> The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???" Because he's looking for Greg
> to support his claims.

Greg initially fell for it. As now have Ron and Kane.

> THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would. And you've fallen for
> Greg's ploy and been suckered into asCPS.
> How's it feel?

I'm not suckered into anything Dan. Note how I am not hostile to you?

> You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass like Greg can
> play you like a two dollar violin?

He's not playing anything. Well NOT me.

[krp]

"Dan Sullivan" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
>> > >> > No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ
>> > >> > list
>> >
>> > >> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100% of
>> > >> his
>> > >> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of Moore's
>> > >> claims.
>> >
>> > > KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the focus
>> > > off of
>> > > him.
>> >
>> > No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here because
>> > of
>> > faked message about me and my credentials.
>> >
>> > > And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!
>> >
>> > I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone else.
>>
>> Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than this!!!!
>>
>> Greg had nothing to do with it????
>>
>> Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.
>>
>> Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake diplomas... you
>> know... the usual.
>>
>> Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear this
>> up," which is all about you.
>>
>> The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???"
>>
>> Because he's looking for Greg to support his claims.
>>
>> THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would.
>>
>> And you've fallen for Greg's ploy and been suckered into asCPS.
>>
>> How's it feel?

>> You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass like Greg can
>> play you like a two dollar violin???

Dan - he's not playing me. Only Ron and Kane are trying to. It isn't
working and that is driving the pair bat****.

[monkeysgirl]

Why do you and Don disrupt ASCPS with your off topic rants and personal
attacks?

Sure you and Don got outed as a despicable CPS scumbags - that's no
reason to disrupt the newsgroup - is it?

--
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[Dan Sullivan]

krp wrote:
> "Dan Sullivan" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> >> > >> > No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ
> >> > >> > list
> >> >
> >> > >> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100% of
> >> > >> his
> >> > >> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of Moore's
> >> > >> claims.
> >> >
> >> > > KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the focus
> >> > > off of
> >> > > him.
> >> >
> >> > No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here because
> >> > of
> >> > faked message about me and my credentials.
> >> >
> >> > > And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!
> >> >
> >> > I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone else.
> >>
> >> Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than this!!!!
> >>
> >> Greg had nothing to do with it????
> >>
> >> Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.
> >>
> >> Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake diplomas... you
> >> know... the usual.
> >>
> >> Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear this
> >> up," which is all about you.
> >>
> >> The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???"
> >>
> >> Because he's looking for Greg to support his claims.
> >>
> >> THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would.
> >>
> >> And you've fallen for Greg's ploy and been suckered into asCPS.
> >>
> >> How's it feel?
>
> >> You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass like Greg can
> >> play you like a two dollar violin???
>
> Dan - he's not playing me.

That's not what the evidence demonstrates.

> Only Ron and Kane are trying to. It isn't
> working and that is driving the pair bat****.

You're ****ing up a very long rope, Ken.

[krp]

"Dan Sullivan" > wrote in message
ups.com...


> >> > >> > No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ
>> >> > >> > list
>> >> >
>> >> > >> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100%
>> >> > >> of
>> >> > >> his
>> >> > >> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of
>> >> > >> Moore's
>> >> > >> claims.
>> >> >
>> >> > > KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the focus
>> >> > > off of
>> >> > > him.

>> >> > No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here
>> >> > because of
>> >> > faked message about me and my credentials.

>> >> > > And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!
>> >> >
>> >> > I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone else.
>> >>
>> >> Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than this!!!!
>> >>
>> >> Greg had nothing to do with it????
>> >>
>> >> Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.
>> >>
>> >> Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake diplomas... you
>> >> know... the usual.
>> >>
>> >> Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear this
>> >> up," which is all about you.
>> >>
>> >> The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???"
>> >>
>> >> Because he's looking for Greg to support his claims.

>> >> THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would.
>> >>
>> >> And you've fallen for Greg's ploy and been suckered into asCPS.
>> >>
>> >> How's it feel?
>>
>> >> You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass like Greg
>> >> can
>> >> play you like a two dollar violin???

>> Dan - he's not playing me.

> That's not what the evidence demonstrates.

Apparently you are seeing what you want to see.


>> Only Ron and Kane are trying to. It isn't
>> working and that is driving the pair bat****.

> You're ****ing up a very long rope, Ken.

Well, the two ARE hard cases, I admit. BUT they are also
IDIOTS............. Look at what I got from Mr.. Moore today:

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NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet
ANOTHERgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!

[Dan Sullivan]

krp wrote:
> "Dan Sullivan" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>
>
> > >> > >> > No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ
> >> >> > >> > list
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100%
> >> >> > >> of
> >> >> > >> his
> >> >> > >> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of
> >> >> > >> Moore's
> >> >> > >> claims.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the focus
> >> >> > > off of
> >> >> > > him.
>
> >> >> > No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here
> >> >> > because of
> >> >> > faked message about me and my credentials.
>
> >> >> > > And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone else.
> >> >>
> >> >> Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than this!!!!
> >> >>
> >> >> Greg had nothing to do with it????
> >> >>
> >> >> Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.
> >> >>
> >> >> Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake diplomas... you
> >> >> know... the usual.
> >> >>
> >> >> Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear this
> >> >> up," which is all about you.
> >> >>
> >> >> The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???"
> >> >>
> >> >> Because he's looking for Greg to support his claims.
>
> >> >> THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would.
> >> >>
> >> >> And you've fallen for Greg's ploy and been suckered into asCPS.
> >> >>
> >> >> How's it feel?
> >>
> >> >> You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass like Greg
> >> >> can
> >> >> play you like a two dollar violin???
>
> >> Dan - he's not playing me.
>
> > That's not what the evidence demonstrates.
>
> Apparently you are seeing what you want to see.

The evidence is plain as day.

> >> Only Ron and Kane are trying to. It isn't
> >> working and that is driving the pair bat****.
>
> > You're ****ing up a very long rope, Ken.
>
> Well, the two ARE hard cases, I admit. BUT they are also
> IDIOTS............. Look at what I got from Mr.. Moore today:

You get something from Moore and that proves two other people are hard
case idiots?

[inkspot]

krp wrote:
> "Dan Sullivan" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>
>
>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ
>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100%
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of
>>>>>>>> Moore's
>>>>>>>> claims.
>>>>>>> KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the focus
>>>>>>> off of
>>>>>>> him.
>
>>>>>> No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here
>>>>>> because of
>>>>>> faked message about me and my credentials.
>
>>>>>>> And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!
>>>>>> I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone else.
>>>>> Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than this!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg had nothing to do with it????
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.
>>>>>
>>>>> Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake diplomas... you
>>>>> know... the usual.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear this
>>>>> up," which is all about you.
>>>>>
>>>>> The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???"
>>>>>
>>>>> Because he's looking for Greg to support his claims.
>
>>>>> THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you've fallen for Greg's ploy and been suckered into asCPS.
>>>>>
>>>>> How's it feel?
>>>>> You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass like Greg
>>>>> can
>>>>> play you like a two dollar violin???
>
>>> Dan - he's not playing me.
>
>> That's not what the evidence demonstrates.
>
> Apparently you are seeing what you want to see.
>
>
>>> Only Ron and Kane are trying to. It isn't
>>> working and that is driving the pair bat****.
>
>> You're ****ing up a very long rope, Ken.
>
> Well, the two ARE hard cases, I admit. BUT they are also
> IDIOTS............. Look at what I got from Mr.. Moore today:
>
> ================
>
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> NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
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> ANOTHERgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!
>
>

Congratulations.

Bye.

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[0:->]

krp wrote:
> "Dan Sullivan" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>
>
>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ
>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100%
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of
>>>>>>>> Moore's
>>>>>>>> claims.
>>>>>>> KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the focus
>>>>>>> off of
>>>>>>> him.
>
>>>>>> No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here
>>>>>> because of
>>>>>> faked message about me and my credentials.
>
>>>>>>> And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!
>>>>>> I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone else.
>>>>> Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than this!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg had nothing to do with it????
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.
>>>>>
>>>>> Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake diplomas... you
>>>>> know... the usual.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear this
>>>>> up," which is all about you.
>>>>>
>>>>> The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???"
>>>>>
>>>>> Because he's looking for Greg to support his claims.
>
>>>>> THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you've fallen for Greg's ploy and been suckered into asCPS.
>>>>>
>>>>> How's it feel?
>>>>> You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass like Greg
>>>>> can
>>>>> play you like a two dollar violin???
>
>>> Dan - he's not playing me.
>
>> That's not what the evidence demonstrates.
>
> Apparently you are seeing what you want to see.
>
>
>>> Only Ron and Kane are trying to. It isn't
>>> working and that is driving the pair bat****.
>
>> You're ****ing up a very long rope, Ken.
>
> Well, the two ARE hard cases, I admit. BUT they are also
> IDIOTS............. Look at what I got from Mr.. Moore today:
>
> ================
>
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And the significance of the post with this header would be?

for all we know it was a birthday salutation of good wishes, and many
more years of flatulence. R R RRRRR

You seem to be losing it, Ken.

> NOte the post by Kane today in ascps.

Okay. I've noted all my posts. Relevance to your apparent claim your
credibility is still intact? I can't find it. Maybe you can point to my
post that makes some connection.

> Again I have found a group of
> peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link.

How do they do this helping, precisely?

> Yopu are TRASHED in yet
> ANOTHERgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!

"Yopu,"[sic] as in 'Dan Sullivan,' who you appear to be posting a reply to?

What did you win, and can I have some too?

Please explain.

Thanks, Kane

[krp]

"Dan Sullivan" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>>
>> > >> > >> > No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national
>> > >> > >> > DOJ
>> >> >> > >> > list
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and
>> >> >> > >> 100%
>> >> >> > >> of
>> >> >> > >> his
>> >> >> > >> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of
>> >> >> > >> Moore's
>> >> >> > >> claims.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the
>> >> >> > > focus
>> >> >> > > off of
>> >> >> > > him.
>>
>> >> >> > No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here
>> >> >> > because of
>> >> >> > faked message about me and my credentials.
>>
>> >> >> > > And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone else.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than this!!!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Greg had nothing to do with it????
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake diplomas... you
>> >> >> know... the usual.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear this
>> >> >> up," which is all about you.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Because he's looking for Greg to support his claims.
>>
>> >> >> THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And you've fallen for Greg's ploy and been suckered into asCPS.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> How's it feel?
>> >>
>> >> >> You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass like
>> >> >> Greg
>> >> >> can
>> >> >> play you like a two dollar violin???
>>
>> >> Dan - he's not playing me.
>>
>> > That's not what the evidence demonstrates.
>>
>> Apparently you are seeing what you want to see.
>
> The evidence is plain as day.

Yes and it doesn't support YOU!

[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
news:a42dnceMWPjq2DfYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@scnresearch. com...

>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ
>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100% of
>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of
>>>>>>>>> Moore's
>>>>>>>>> claims.
>>>>>>>> KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the focus
>>>>>>>> off of
>>>>>>>> him.
>>
>>>>>>> No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here
>>>>>>> because of
>>>>>>> faked message about me and my credentials.
>>
>>>>>>>> And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!
>>>>>>> I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone else.
>>>>>> Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than this!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg had nothing to do with it????
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake diplomas... you
>>>>>> know... the usual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear this
>>>>>> up," which is all about you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because he's looking for Greg to support his claims.
>>
>>>>>> THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you've fallen for Greg's ploy and been suckered into asCPS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How's it feel?
>>>>>> You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass like Greg
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> play you like a two dollar violin???
>>
>>>> Dan - he's not playing me.
>>
>>> That's not what the evidence demonstrates.
>>
>> Apparently you are seeing what you want to see.
>>
>>
>>>> Only Ron and Kane are trying to. It isn't
>>>> working and that is driving the pair bat****.
>>
>>> You're ****ing up a very long rope, Ken.
>>
>> Well, the two ARE hard cases, I admit. BUT they are also
>> IDIOTS............. Look at what I got from Mr.. Moore today:
>>
>> ================
>>
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KANE DELETS ALL TEXT

> And the significance of the post with this header would be?

You removed it. Relavence is that he thinks you are an IDIOT Kane.

> for all we know it was a birthday salutation of good wishes, and many more
> years of flatulence. R R RRRRR

SURE.


> You seem to be losing it, Ken.

<chuckle>

>> NOte the post by Kane today in ascps.

> Okay. I've noted all my posts. Relevance to your apparent claim your
> credibility is still intact? I can't find it. Maybe you can point to my
> post that makes some connection.

It is because your own sources prove ME correct and YOU wrong!

[0:->]

krp wrote:
> "0:->" > wrote in message
> news:a42dnceMWPjq2DfYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@scnresearch. com...
>
>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ
>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100% of
>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of
>>>>>>>>>> Moore's
>>>>>>>>>> claims.
>>>>>>>>> KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the focus
>>>>>>>>> off of
>>>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>>> No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here
>>>>>>>> because of
>>>>>>>> faked message about me and my credentials.
>>>>>>>>> And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!
>>>>>>>> I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone else.
>>>>>>> Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than this!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greg had nothing to do with it????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake diplomas... you
>>>>>>> know... the usual.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear this
>>>>>>> up," which is all about you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because he's looking for Greg to support his claims.
>>>>>>> THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And you've fallen for Greg's ploy and been suckered into asCPS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How's it feel?
>>>>>>> You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass like Greg
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> play you like a two dollar violin???
>>>>> Dan - he's not playing me.
>>>> That's not what the evidence demonstrates.
>>> Apparently you are seeing what you want to see.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Only Ron and Kane are trying to. It isn't
>>>>> working and that is driving the pair bat****.
>>>> You're ****ing up a very long rope, Ken.
>>> Well, the two ARE hard cases, I admit. BUT they are also
>>> IDIOTS............. Look at what I got from Mr.. Moore today:
>>>
>>> ================
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> KANE DELETS ALL TEXT

Prove it by returning it to this space, and site the post with active
pointer so we may actually look at it.

I deleted nothing whatsoever.

You are clearly established as a liar unless you can return this
"delets"[sic] for us.


>> And the significance of the post with this header would be?
>
> You removed it. Relavence is that he thinks you are an IDIOT Kane.

I removed nothing. I rarely snip anything, and when I do I mark it with
".....snip....." and sometimes include comments in the snip indicator.

You are mistaken or lying.

>> for all we know it was a birthday salutation of good wishes, and many more
>> years of flatulence. R R RRRRR
>
> SURE.

If it's not there we cannot tell. If someone snipped anything it appears
more likely to be you.

So return my "snipped" comments and prove I snipped.

>
>> You seem to be losing it, Ken.
>
> <chuckle>

Deja Vu

>>> NOte the post by Kane today in ascps.
>
>> Okay. I've noted all my posts. Relevance to your apparent claim your
>> credibility is still intact? I can't find it. Maybe you can point to my
>> post that makes some connection.
>
> It is because your own sources prove ME correct and YOU wrong!

I'd love to see you prove that. I'm all for you, Ken. Just do as I asked
instead of dodging again.

I said above, in the form of a request, "Maybe you can point to my
post that makes some connection."

My post please.

Thanks, Kane

[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
...


SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY - MOORE'S ALLEGATIONS

>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ
>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100%
>>>>>>>>>>> of his
>>>>>>>>>>> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of
>>>>>>>>>>> Moore's claims.

>>>>>>>>>> KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the
>>>>>>>>>> focus off of him.

>>>>>>>>> No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here
>>>>>>>>> because of
>>>>>>>>> faked message about me and my credentials.

>>>>>>>>>> And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!

>>>>>>>>> I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone else.

>>>>>>>> Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than this!!!!

>>>>>>>> Greg had nothing to do with it????

>>>>>>>> Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.

>>>>>>>> Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake diplomas... you
>>>>>>>> know... the usual.

((It wasn't Greg it was David Moore.))

>>>>>>>> Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear this
>>>>>>>> up," which is all about you.

>>>>>>>> The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???"

>>>>>>>> Because he's looking for Greg to support his claims.
>>>>>>>> THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would.

>>>>>>>> And you've fallen for Greg's ploy and been suckered into asCPS.

>>>>>>>> How's it feel?
>>>>>>>> You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass like
>>>>>>>> Greg can
>>>>>>>> play you like a two dollar violin???

>>>>>> Dan - he's not playing me.

>>>>> That's not what the evidence demonstrates.
>>>> Apparently you are seeing what you want to see.

>>>>>> Only Ron and Kane are trying to. It isn't working and that is driving
>>>>>> the pair bat****.

>>>>> You're ****ing up a very long rope, Ken.

>>>> Well, the two ARE hard cases, I admit. BUT they are also
>>>> IDIOTS............. Look at what I got from Mr.. Moore today:

>>>> ================
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>> KANE DELETES ALL TEXT

> Prove it by returning it to this space, and site the post with active
> pointer so we may actually look at it.

It was an E-MAIL Kane. But HERE it is: (text restored)
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NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet
ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!
================================================== =========
> I deleted nothing whatsoever.



Yes, you did. Now, be true to form and delete it again and this time, please
be "OUTRAGED."

> You are clearly established as a liar unless you can return this
> "delets"[sic] for us.

And if I do????? Hmmm wear your decoration with pride.


>>> And the significance of the post with this header would be?

>> You removed it. Relavence is that he thinks you are an IDIOT Kane.

> I removed nothing. I rarely snip anything, and when I do I mark it with
> ".....snip....." and sometimes include comments in the snip indicator.
> You are mistaken or lying.

No Kane you are the one with the problem. Now, tell you what, delete the
text again and then put on a REALLY angry act and call me some names saying
I am lying again and you just proved it. Thump your chest like the Alpha
Male you pretend to be.

>>> for all we know it was a birthday salutation of good wishes, and many
>>> more years of flatulence. R R RRRRR
>>
>> SURE.
>
> If it's not there we cannot tell. If someone snipped anything it appears
> more likely to be you.

> So return my "snipped" comments and prove I snipped.

>>> You seem to be losing it, Ken.

In your dreams Kane. It is restored. Before you bellow - remember
somebody else (the HATED Greg) responded to it.


>> It is because your own sources prove ME correct and YOU wrong!

> I'd love to see you prove that. I'm all for you, Ken. Just do as I asked
> instead of dodging again.

Let's go to MY post. My statement was that "caseworkers" in the main
don't have degrees in any field that would prepare them to make life and
death decisions regarding children's welfare. YOU claimed that most have
degrees in mental health fields. Ron quoted Nebraska's specifications. You
BOTH claim it show that I was "lying." When finally the secondary link was
followed nad quoted it verified what *I* originally said, that while a
degree in social work, psychology or some closely related field is
"PREFERRED" it isn't "REQUIRED." Then seeing THAT you guys quoted another
paragraph and tried to make that float as your "PROOF" I had lied! But that
paragraph applied to "SUPERVISORS" and NOT to "case workers" but you still
tried to insist it DID until it became obvious that was fruitless. Then you
changed gears again and went after my 15 minutes of "in-service training"
comment and TRIED to distort that with a paragraph on TRAINING that does NOT
refer to new hired and field assignments, BUT to later status. And even
then when challenged to prove they ACTUALLY get that training all you could
respond to with me was calling me names and insisting that I am a "liar" and
using the brown fog you created as a shield for the REAL FACT.
It's panic time, Kane, NOBODY is defending you two any more.

Asking me to repost what I originally posted was a mistake Kane. You are
cementing your credibility even with people inclined to take your side which
is why you are now so ALL ALONE. You can THINK it's lonely at the top, but
you need GPS because that AIN'T where you are!

[0:->]

krp wrote:
......either a natural mistake, or a blatant lie.....

Sir, I have checked both the post I responded to, and my reply, that you
now claim "I" deleted portions of.

I was not IN the thread after your post you claim I deleted a portion of
except to respond to a poster flaming sock nym'd "Inkspot."

Let me show you a little trick for finding out if something is missing
from one post to the next in such instances.

If you have a word processor that will sort text by line (WordPerfect
does it nicely).

You take the two documents and past them into a single document and sort
on the first word in a line.

If you find duplicates of ALL lines, then you have a perfect match.

If you find 'leftover' lines, one of the documents failed the test, and
someone removed something from one of the documents, or added something.

I ran this test on your post...the only one you appear to be claiming I
deleted without notice text from, and the post of Inkspot...taking out
ONLY his remarks, which, since he was responding to Dan, would leave
YOUR post to Dan as well. And I was responding to him.

The one I'm supposed to have changed. You know. Your lying claim you
just proved I had NOT done.

Even Inkspot removed NOTHING from your post.

I then ran the same test on my post and his post. Same result perfect
duplicate lines..two each, for every line of the two documents combined.

Then I ran it on YOUR post and MY post, and the only leftovers were MY
remarks. Naturally.

No words of yours failed to show TWO TIMES in the sorted results...thus
I did NOT delete a single word of your post.

Here is the sorted results of your post and mine you respond to with
your claim I deleted text. You will see the ONLY non duplicates are my
remarks.

I removed NOTHING from the post I responded to, or the post I replied
with to Inkspot...the one you claim I deleted text from.

You will see ALL commentary that are NOT mine duplicated.

That means that Dan's are, and YOURS are.

If there is a single line of characters that you can establish is yours,
that has NO duplicate then YOU are correct. I or someone snipped your text.

If there is a single line of Dan's you can identify as not having a
duplicate, then someone has removed some of Dan's comments.

But I have not removed a thing. Not a word, then or now.

It's all there. All YOUR words, All Dan's words.

The only single lines are MINE, since I was replying to the poster
(Inkspot) his are there as well, as single lines.

Do you understand this simple sorting method?

It cannot be faked because the originals are there in archive for anyone
to check.

You can pick any line, and go to both posts, your post attributing my
prior post and see if it's missing or there. If it's there I could not
have deleted the text.

If it's missing then one has to go to MY last message ... the one you
claimed I deleted text from a prior post, and if you cannot find it
there, then it is possible I did delete something. But if you go to the
post I responded to and it's not THERE, then THEY DELETED OR SOMEONE
BEFORE THEM DID, not I.

Here is the sorted run, BY LINE REMEMBER, so remarks are NOT in order by
poster. Do your best:


"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message
ups.com...
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Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken
link.
allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of Moore's
allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of
And you've fallen for Greg's ploy and been suckered into asCPS.
And you've fallen for Greg's ploy and been suckered into asCPS.
And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!
And the significance of the post with this header would be?
And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!
ANOTHERgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!
Apparently you are seeing what you want to see.
Apparently you are seeing what you want to see.
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because of
Because he's looking for Greg to support his claims.
Because he's looking for Greg to support his claims.
can
Cc:
Cc:
claims.
claims.
Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than this!!!!
Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than this!!!!
Dan - he's not playing me.
Dan - he's not playing me.
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:51:44 +0100 (CET)
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faked message about me and my credentials.
faked message about me and my credentials.
for all we know it was a birthday salutation of good wishes, and many
more years of flatulence. R R RRRRR
From: Non scrivetemi
From: Non scrivetemi
Greg had nothing to do with it????
Greg had nothing to do with it????
Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.
Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.
him.
him.
his
his
How do they do this helping, precisely?
How's it feel?
How's it feel?
https://www.winstonsmith.info/pws or https://e-privacy.firenze.linux.it.
I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone else.
I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone else.
IDIOTS............. Look at what I got from Mr.. Moore today:
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know... the usual.
know... the usual.
krp wrote:
KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the focus
KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the focus off of
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No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here
No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here because of
No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ
No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ
NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
NOte the post by Kane today in ascps.
of
off of
Okay. I've noted all my posts. Relevance to your apparent claim your
credibility is still intact? I can't find it. Maybe you can point to my
post that makes some connection.
Only Ron and Kane are trying to. It isn't
Only Ron and Kane are trying to. It isn't
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play you like a two dollar violin???
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Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100% of
Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100%
Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake diplomas... you
Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake diplomas... you
Subject: KEN
Subject: KEN
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Thanks, Kane
That's not what the evidence demonstrates.
That's not what the evidence demonstrates.
The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???"
The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???"
Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear this
Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear this
THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would.
THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would.
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To:
up," which is all about you.
up," which is all about you.
Well, the two ARE hard cases, I admit. BUT they are also
Well, the two ARE hard cases, I admit. BUT they are also
IDIOTS............. Look at what I got from Mr.. Moore today:
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working and that is driving the pair bat****.
working and that is driving the pair bat****.
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Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHERgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!
You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass like Greg
You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass like Greg can
You seem to be losing it, Ken.
You're ****ing up a very long rope, Ken.
You're ****ing up a very long rope, Ken.



Now Ken, what is this significant text I'm supposed to have snipped?

I asked you to post it, and to link to the post where I am alleged to
have done this deleting.

You have done neither. Are you then simply lying, or could you have been
mistaken?

Rather than respond you simply choked by blowing hard and placing a
stupid challenge to ME, instead of proving your claim.

That is called lying, Ken.

Support your claim. You made it. YOU prove it.

Show the text word for word I am supposed to have deleted.




> "0:->" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
> SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY - MOORE'S ALLEGATIONS
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ
>>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100%
>>>>>>>>>>>> of his
>>>>>>>>>>>> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Moore's claims.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the
>>>>>>>>>>> focus off of him.
>
>>>>>>>>>> No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here
>>>>>>>>>> because of
>>>>>>>>>> faked message about me and my credentials.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!
>
>>>>>>>>>> I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone else.
>
>>>>>>>>> Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than this!!!!
>
>>>>>>>>> Greg had nothing to do with it????
>
>>>>>>>>> Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.
>
>>>>>>>>> Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake diplomas... you
>>>>>>>>> know... the usual.
>
> ((It wasn't Greg it was David Moore.))
>
>>>>>>>>> Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear this
>>>>>>>>> up," which is all about you.
>
>>>>>>>>> The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???"
>
>>>>>>>>> Because he's looking for Greg to support his claims.
>>>>>>>>> THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would.
>
>>>>>>>>> And you've fallen for Greg's ploy and been suckered into asCPS.
>
>>>>>>>>> How's it feel?
>>>>>>>>> You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass like
>>>>>>>>> Greg can
>>>>>>>>> play you like a two dollar violin???
>
>>>>>>> Dan - he's not playing me.
>
>>>>>> That's not what the evidence demonstrates.
>>>>> Apparently you are seeing what you want to see.
>
>>>>>>> Only Ron and Kane are trying to. It isn't working and that is driving
>>>>>>> the pair bat****.
>
>>>>>> You're ****ing up a very long rope, Ken.
>
>>>>> Well, the two ARE hard cases, I admit. BUT they are also
>>>>> IDIOTS............. Look at what I got from Mr.. Moore today:
>
>>>>> ================
>>>>>
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>
>>> KANE DELETES ALL TEXT
>
>> Prove it by returning it to this space, and site the post with active
>> pointer so we may actually look at it.
>
> It was an E-MAIL Kane. But HERE it is: (text restored)
> ================================================== ============================
>
>
> -------- Original Message -------- From: - Sun Jan 14 09:08:33 2007
> X-UIDL: 218016
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>
>
> NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
> peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet
> ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!
> ================================================== =========
>> I deleted nothing whatsoever.
>
>
>
> Yes, you did. Now, be true to form and delete it again and this time, please
> be "OUTRAGED."

The above text you posted was in fact IN my post. Are you out of your mind?

Show a link to the post of MINE you are referring to that I did this
deletion in.

Allow us to clink on that link and see what it produces.

>> You are clearly established as a liar unless you can return this
>> "delets"[sic] for us.
>
> And if I do????? Hmmm wear your decoration with pride.

Didn't you just DO IT? Didn't you just post that portion of text you
said I deleted?

Does it NOT appear in my post just a few up the thread where I reply to
"Inkspot?"

Have you lost your mind?

>>>> And the significance of the post with this header would be?
>
>>> You removed it. Relavence is that he thinks you are an IDIOT Kane.
>
>> I removed nothing. I rarely snip anything, and when I do I mark it with
>> ".....snip....." and sometimes include comments in the snip indicator.
>> You are mistaken or lying.
>
> No Kane you are the one with the problem. Now, tell you what, delete the
> text again

I didn't delete it in the first place. Going up the thread from YOUR
post accusing me of deleting to MY very next post in the thread, shows
that indeed ALL of what you just pasted here claiming I had deleted it,
EXISTS IN MY POST.

> and then put on a REALLY angry act

I don't do "angry." That's you, Ken.

> and call me some names saying
> I am lying again and you just proved it.

I just did.

> Thump your chest like the Alpha
> Male you pretend to be.

Ranting again?

I am doing nothing of the kind. I am simply posting the evidence clearly
that YOU have lied, or are mistaken.

I posted every single word in my post that was in the one I replied to,
not a single word deleted. You then, referencing MY post, claimed I had
deleted something. Then you paste here what I am supposed to have
deleted by careful avoid providing the link to MY post you claim I
deleted those words from.

And if anyone cares to look at my post they will see what YOU just
pasted as my "deletes" in fact exist there in MY post.

>
>>>> for all we know it was a birthday salutation of good wishes, and many
>>>> more years of flatulence. R R RRRRR
>>> SURE.
>> If it's not there we cannot tell. If someone snipped anything it appears
>> more likely to be you.
>
>> So return my "snipped" comments and prove I snipped.
>
>>>> You seem to be losing it, Ken.
>
> In your dreams Kane. It is restored. Before you bellow - remember
> somebody else (the HATED Greg) responded to it.

Bellow? You are the one with all the screaming CAPTALIZATION.

And you restored nothing. My post had IN it what you claim I deleted.

If I deleted it show the post I responded to that HAD IT, and then mine
that didn't.

I just sorted both for non duplicate lines, and there were NONE other
than my on comment, of which there could only BE one line, and Inkspot.

Nothing of your's, nothing of Dan's, the two correspondents, is deleted.

>>> It is because your own sources prove ME correct and YOU wrong!
>
>> I'd love to see you prove that. I'm all for you, Ken. Just do as I asked
>> instead of dodging again.
>
> Let's go to MY post. My statement was that "caseworkers" in the main
> don't have degrees in any field that would prepare them to make life and
> death decisions regarding children's welfare.

And you have not proven that, Ken. The rest is your blather about
something that was NOT in conflict.

> YOU claimed that most have
> degrees in mental health fields.

Where exactly did I make such a claim? Can you quote me?

> Ron quoted Nebraska's specifications. You
> BOTH claim it show that I was "lying."

Nope. We showed that it did not agree with your claim that "in the main"
etc. THAT was something you had not proven.

> When finally the secondary link was
> followed nad quoted

"Secondary link?" No, he posted the right link the first time. It showed
both worker and worker supervisor hiring criteria.

> it verified what *I* originally said, that while a
> degree in social work, psychology or some closely related field is
> "PREFERRED" it isn't "REQUIRED."

That is NOT what you said, and the proof is but a few lines up. You
said, "in the main." Did you not?

Your current claim, as listed just prior to my comment above, does not
prove that workers are hired with or without the preferred degrees, but
only that they can be.

That tells us nothing about your original claim of "in the main" except
that it's possible. And since you didn't prove your first claim with any
authoritative source material except your questionable personal
experience in court, we still have NO proof that your claim is true.

> Then seeing THAT you guys quoted another
> paragraph and tried to make that float as your "PROOF" I had lied!

No such event happened. The lie we claimed was about YOU claiming Ron
had quoted and link to the job requirements for "counselor," something
that was on the page but did NOT apply to the two entries on safety and
protection workers. CPS workers.

> But that
> paragraph applied to "SUPERVISORS" and NOT to "case workers" but you still
> tried to insist it DID until it became obvious that was fruitless.

The requirements for supers, was of course, higher than that for
workers, and the case worker job listing was just before the supervisor
position.

It read "preferred," which means its possible an accepted applicant
would have the degrees preferred, or not. This still does not prove your
"in the main," claim.

> Then you
> changed gears again and went after my 15 minutes of "in-service training"

You prefer that those who challenge you leave out some of your claims?

> comment and TRIED to distort that with a paragraph on TRAINING that does NOT
> refer to new hired and field assignments, BUT to later status.

Your claim, sir, was about training in service...that IS referring to
later status. And that is what the hiring descriptions mentioned...as to
how to move from new worker trainee to permanent hire.

> And even
> then when challenged to prove they ACTUALLY get that training

That cannot be 'proven.' A worker can skip out on training and no
"proof" you or I could attain in this medium is available. There simply
is no such record kept.

> all you could
> respond to with me was calling me names and insisting that I am a "liar" and
> using the brown fog you created as a shield for the REAL FACT.

The accusation, well founded and proven, was that YOU lied when you said
Ron posted a "counselors" job requirements and pretended they were for
CPS workers.

He did no such thing, as is proven by your argumentation concerning the
entries for supervisor and trainee safety and protection worker and
their in service training or lack. It's obvious you KNEW that was there
to discuss, or you wouldn't have made anything of it.

> It's panic time, Kane, NOBODY is defending you two any more.

I don't recall anyone doing so before.

I don't think either of us need defending. You are managing that quite
well with your bluster to cover your lies, Ken.

You did not successfully defend your claim of 'in the main' workers did
not have the required degrees.

You then mistakenly or deliberately misread Ron's referenced source on
hiring criteria.

You refused to admit you had done so, and tried to foist it off on
'supervisor' requirement complaints...a kind of stupid move on your
part, since that entry had higher requirements.

And the two entries followed in order on the job announcement page.

Everything was there, even including the inservice training for the new
hires, that would make it highly unlikely that your "15 minutes
in-servicie training" was factual.

> Asking me to repost what I originally posted was a mistake Kane.

You think so do you? R R R R R R R

You posted what was IN my post. That IS what you claimed I deleted, did
you not?

The entire thing is there in my post. Go read it again. Show us where my
post lacks what you pasted here.

> You are
> cementing your credibility

I know. Mine is solid as a rock, thanks to you and your stumblebum
bull**** in this post, and prior ones on this subject of 'deletes," and
what Ron did or did not post here on the job requirements for CPS workers.

> even with people inclined to take your side which
> is why you are now so ALL ALONE.

You think those inclined to 'take' my 'side' can't see how you just
blatantly lied and blustered, do you?

> You can THINK it's lonely at the top, but
> you need GPS because that AIN'T where you are!

More bluster and bull****?

There is no "top," here. Just the facts as posted in your own words.

I deleted nothing from the post I replied to in this thread.

It is the rarest of occurances that I snip anything without clear notice
that I have. It would be a pure accident. I hold attribution
abortionists in low esteem, you see.

Greg can attest to that since I call him on his all the time, (I think
of it as his public nose-picking behavior) and he complains that my LACK
of snipping makes for long un-weildy posts.

I 'ramble.' you see.

Though I tend to think of it, as today in this post, as being thorough.

And you continually attempted to change Ron's posting by
reinterpretation and blatant lies...or innocent mistakes on your
part....rrr rr r rr r r r oh dear RRR R R R R R R R R RRRR RR

Sorry.

You **** yourself again, Ken.

Too bad.

0:-]

[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
news:cfmdneQVTtd3CzbYnZ2dnUVZ_q2pnZ2d@scnresearch. com...
> krp wrote:
> .....either a natural mistake, or a blatant lie.....
>
> Sir, I have checked both the post I responded to, and my reply, that you
> now claim "I" deleted portions of.

> I was not IN the thread after your post you claim I deleted a portion of
> except to respond to a poster flaming sock nym'd "Inkspot."

> Let me show you a little trick for finding out if something is missing
> from one post to the next in such instances.

> If you have a word processor that will sort text by line (WordPerfect does
> it nicely).

> You take the two documents and past them into a single document and sort
> on the first word in a line.

> If you find duplicates of ALL lines, then you have a perfect match.

> If you find 'leftover' lines, one of the documents failed the test, and
> someone removed something from one of the documents, or added something.

NICE SMOKESCREEN!

> I ran this test on your post...the only one you appear to be claiming I
> deleted without notice text from, and the post of Inkspot...taking out
> ONLY his remarks, which, since he was responding to Dan, would leave YOUR
> post to Dan as well. And I was responding to him.

> The one I'm supposed to have changed. You know. Your lying claim you just
> proved I had NOT done.

> Even Inkspot removed NOTHING from your post.

MY POST STANDS WITH THE EEXT IN IT. REALLY NICE SMOKESCREEN:

> I then ran the same test on my post and his post. Same result perfect
> duplicate lines..two each, for every line of the two documents combined.

> Then I ran it on YOUR post and MY post, and the only leftovers were MY
> remarks. Naturally.

> No words of yours failed to show TWO TIMES in the sorted results...thus I
> did NOT delete a single word of your post.

'BULL**** you removed everythiong but the headers. ALL the text.

> Here is the sorted results of your post and mine you respond to with your
> claim I deleted text. You will see the ONLY non duplicates are my remarks.

> I removed NOTHING from the post I responded to, or the post I replied with
> to Inkspot...the one you claim I deleted text from.
>
> You will see ALL commentary that are NOT mine duplicated.
>
> That means that Dan's are, and YOURS are.
>
> If there is a single line of characters that you can establish is yours,
> that has NO duplicate then YOU are correct. I or someone snipped your
> text.
>
> If there is a single line of Dan's you can identify as not having a
> duplicate, then someone has removed some of Dan's comments.
>
> But I have not removed a thing. Not a word, then or now.
>
> It's all there. All YOUR words, All Dan's words.
>
> The only single lines are MINE, since I was replying to the poster
> (Inkspot) his are there as well, as single lines.
>
> Do you understand this simple sorting method?
>
> It cannot be faked because the originals are there in archive for anyone
> to check.
>
> You can pick any line, and go to both posts, your post attributing my
> prior post and see if it's missing or there. If it's there I could not
> have deleted the text.
>
> If it's missing then one has to go to MY last message ... the one you
> claimed I deleted text from a prior post, and if you cannot find it there,
> then it is possible I did delete something. But if you go to the post I
> responded to and it's not THERE, then THEY DELETED OR SOMEONE BEFORE THEM
> DID, not I.
>
> Here is the sorted run, BY LINE REMEMBER, so remarks are NOT in order by
> poster. Do your best:


You REPLIED to ME, not Inkspot, NOT Greg not Dan.. TO ME - your response to
ME had the text of the post removed just as you did AGAIN NOW!

[0:->]

freedom wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, " krp" > wrote:
>> "0:->" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>
>> SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY - MOORE'S ALLEGATIONS
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ
>>>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100%
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moore's claims.
>>>>>>>>>>>> KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> focus off of him.
>>>>>>>>>>> No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here
>>>>>>>>>>> because of
>>>>>>>>>>> faked message about me and my credentials.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!
>>>>>>>>>>> I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>> Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than this!!!!
>>>>>>>>>> Greg had nothing to do with it????
>>>>>>>>>> Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.
>>>>>>>>>> Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake diplomas... you
>>>>>>>>>> know... the usual.
>> ((It wasn't Greg it was David Moore.))
>
> I didn't appear in ascps until you did. Google archives confirm that
> someone else mentioned you and the fact that you have fake credentials.
>
>
>>>>>>>>>> Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear this
>>>>>>>>>> up," which is all about you.
>>>>>>>>>> The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???"
>>>>>>>>>> Because he's looking for Greg to support his claims.
>>>>>>>>>> THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would.
>>>>>>>>>> And you've fallen for Greg's ploy and been suckered into asCPS.
>>>>>>>>>> How's it feel?
>>>>>>>>>> You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass like
>>>>>>>>>> Greg can
>>>>>>>>>> play you like a two dollar violin???
>>>>>>>> Dan - he's not playing me.
>>>>>>> That's not what the evidence demonstrates.
>>>>>> Apparently you are seeing what you want to see.
>>>>>>>> Only Ron and Kane are trying to. It isn't working and that is driving
>>>>>>>> the pair bat****.
>>>>>>> You're ****ing up a very long rope, Ken.
>>>>>> Well, the two ARE hard cases, I admit. BUT they are also
>>>>>> IDIOTS............. Look at what I got from Mr.. Moore today:
>>>>>> ================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------- Original Message -------- From: - Sun Jan 14 09:08:33 2007
>>>>>> X-UIDL: 218016
>>>>>> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
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>>>>>> Message: This is a Type II anonymous message, sent to you by the
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>>>>>> Cc:
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>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> ith.info>
>>>>>> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:51:44 +0100 (CET)
>>>>>> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at
>>>>>> mixmaster.it
>>>> KANE DELETES ALL TEXT
>>> Prove it by returning it to this space, and site the post with active
>>> pointer so we may actually look at it.
>> It was an E-MAIL Kane. But HERE it is: (text restored)
>
> It was a post. It appeared in the alt.men.politics newsgroup. It's also
> noted that you altered it between there and here.
>
>
>> ================================================== ============================
>>
>>
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>> "pboxmix.winstonsmith.info", Issuer " (verified OK)) by
>> tank.mixmaster.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B19100176F; Sun, 14 Jan 2007
>> 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
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>> B00534601E; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:51:44 +0100 (CET)
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>> Message: This is a Type II anonymous message, sent to you by the
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>> If you do not want to receive anonymous messages, please contact
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>> To:
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>> Cc:
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>> ith.info>
>> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:51:44 +0100 (CET)
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>>
>>
>>
>> NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
>> peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet
>> ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!
>> ================================================== =========
>>> I deleted nothing whatsoever.
>>
>>
>> Yes, you did. Now, be true to form and delete it again and this time, please
>> be "OUTRAGED."
>>
>>> You are clearly established as a liar unless you can return this
>>> "delets"[sic] for us.
>> And if I do????? Hmmm wear your decoration with pride.
>>
>>
>>>>> And the significance of the post with this header would be?
>>>> You removed it. Relavence is that he thinks you are an IDIOT Kane.
>>> I removed nothing. I rarely snip anything, and when I do I mark it with
>>> ".....snip....." and sometimes include comments in the snip indicator.
>>> You are mistaken or lying.
>> No Kane you are the one with the problem. Now, tell you what, delete the
>> text again and then put on a REALLY angry act and call me some names saying
>> I am lying again and you just proved it. Thump your chest like the Alpha
>> Male you pretend to be.
>>
>>>>> for all we know it was a birthday salutation of good wishes, and many
>>>>> more years of flatulence. R R RRRRR
>>>> SURE.
>>> If it's not there we cannot tell. If someone snipped anything it appears
>>> more likely to be you.
>>> So return my "snipped" comments and prove I snipped.
>>>>> You seem to be losing it, Ken.
>> In your dreams Kane. It is restored. Before you bellow - remember
>> somebody else (the HATED Greg) responded to it.
>>
>>
>>>> It is because your own sources prove ME correct and YOU wrong!
>>> I'd love to see you prove that. I'm all for you, Ken. Just do as I asked
>>> instead of dodging again.
>> Let's go to MY post. My statement was that "caseworkers" in the main
>> don't have degrees in any field that would prepare them to make life and
>> death decisions regarding children's welfare. YOU claimed that most have
>> degrees in mental health fields. Ron quoted Nebraska's specifications. You
>> BOTH claim it show that I was "lying." When finally the secondary link was
>> followed nad quoted it verified what *I* originally said, that while a
>> degree in social work, psychology or some closely related field is
>> "PREFERRED" it isn't "REQUIRED." Then seeing THAT you guys quoted another
>> paragraph and tried to make that float as your "PROOF" I had lied! But that
>> paragraph applied to "SUPERVISORS" and NOT to "case workers" but you still
>> tried to insist it DID until it became obvious that was fruitless. Then you
>> changed gears again and went after my 15 minutes of "in-service training"
>> comment and TRIED to distort that with a paragraph on TRAINING that does NOT
>> refer to new hired and field assignments, BUT to later status. And even
>> then when challenged to prove they ACTUALLY get that training all you could
>> respond to with me was calling me names and insisting that I am a "liar" and
>> using the brown fog you created as a shield for the REAL FACT.
>> It's panic time, Kane, NOBODY is defending you two any more.
>>
>> Asking me to repost what I originally posted was a mistake Kane. You are
>> cementing your credibility even with people inclined to take your side which
>> is why you are now so ALL ALONE. You can THINK it's lonely at the top, but
>> you need GPS because that AIN'T where you are!
>
>
> http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com

If Ken, or anyone else in the sock clone of Ken, should challenge you
with this bull**** of having deleted something in a long convoluted and
character rich post, and you have access to a good word processor that
sorts documents, do what I did.

Take both posts, sort them as a single post, and note what does and does
not come up duplicated.

If there are single lines with no mate (you must sort by 'first word in
line") then that line was not in one of the posts.

It's easy to see if it's relevant to the claim of those such as Ken.

He lied to me and readers on this claim. I sorted and no such missing
deleted text appeared in the mix of my post and the post I replied to.

If there was something missing then someone other than I removed it.

Before the post I replied to. Simple logic.

Have a nice day.

Kane

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[0:->]

krp wrote:
> "0:->" > wrote in message
> news:cfmdneQVTtd3CzbYnZ2dnUVZ_q2pnZ2d@scnresearch. com...
>> krp wrote:
>> .....either a natural mistake, or a blatant lie.....
>>
>> Sir, I have checked both the post I responded to, and my reply, that you
>> now claim "I" deleted portions of.
>
>> I was not IN the thread after your post you claim I deleted a portion of
>> except to respond to a poster flaming sock nym'd "Inkspot."
>
>> Let me show you a little trick for finding out if something is missing
>> from one post to the next in such instances.
>
>> If you have a word processor that will sort text by line (WordPerfect does
>> it nicely).
>
>> You take the two documents and past them into a single document and sort
>> on the first word in a line.
>
>> If you find duplicates of ALL lines, then you have a perfect match.
>
>> If you find 'leftover' lines, one of the documents failed the test, and
>> someone removed something from one of the documents, or added something.
>
> NICE SMOKESCREEN!

Darned hard to use all the words in two posts, one of which is supposed
to not match the other because I have 'deleted' text, Ken. Wouldn't you say?

In fact you comment is a smokescreen to cover that it's a perfect test
and proves you have lied again.

>> I ran this test on your post...the only one you appear to be claiming I
>> deleted without notice text from, and the post of Inkspot...taking out
>> ONLY his remarks, which, since he was responding to Dan, would leave YOUR
>> post to Dan as well. And I was responding to him.
>
>> The one I'm supposed to have changed. You know. Your lying claim you just
>> proved I had NOT done.
>
>> Even Inkspot removed NOTHING from your post.
>
> MY POST STANDS WITH THE EEXT IN IT. REALLY NICE SMOKESCREEN:

Show the post you refer to where I deleted that text. Give me the link.

I notice you failed to upon my last request for it.

It would have to be, of course, my last post prior to your claim I
deleted the text.

That was the one I used for my sort test....and the post I was replying to.

So neither I nor the prior poster deleted a thing, unless you can go to
his post and show where he deleted something.

Which of course relieves me from your accusation of MY having deleted
some of your text.

>> I then ran the same test on my post and his post. Same result perfect
>> duplicate lines..two each, for every line of the two documents combined.
>
>> Then I ran it on YOUR post and MY post, and the only leftovers were MY
>> remarks. Naturally.
>
>> No words of yours failed to show TWO TIMES in the sorted results...thus I
>> did NOT delete a single word of your post.
>
> 'BULL**** you removed everythiong but the headers. ALL the text.

I beg your pardon? When did I do this?

Are you referring to the document that resulted when I sorted?

Why is it not here to prove your claim?

I included headers, narrative, the body of the post, and all...not a
word taken out.

It varied between the two posts only in comments by one of us to the
other, with nothing of yours, if HE quoted you without deletion, deleted
at all.

Ken, are you lying?

Why?

>> Here is the sorted results of your post and mine you respond to with your
>> claim I deleted text. You will see the ONLY non duplicates are my remarks.
>
>> I removed NOTHING from the post I responded to, or the post I replied with
>> to Inkspot...the one you claim I deleted text from.
>>
>> You will see ALL commentary that are NOT mine duplicated.
>>
>> That means that Dan's are, and YOURS are.
>>
>> If there is a single line of characters that you can establish is yours,
>> that has NO duplicate then YOU are correct. I or someone snipped your
>> text.
>>
>> If there is a single line of Dan's you can identify as not having a
>> duplicate, then someone has removed some of Dan's comments.
>>
>> But I have not removed a thing. Not a word, then or now.
>>
>> It's all there. All YOUR words, All Dan's words.
>>
>> The only single lines are MINE, since I was replying to the poster
>> (Inkspot) his are there as well, as single lines.
>>
>> Do you understand this simple sorting method?
>>
>> It cannot be faked because the originals are there in archive for anyone
>> to check.
>>
>> You can pick any line, and go to both posts, your post attributing my
>> prior post and see if it's missing or there. If it's there I could not
>> have deleted the text.
>>
>> If it's missing then one has to go to MY last message ... the one you
>> claimed I deleted text from a prior post, and if you cannot find it there,
>> then it is possible I did delete something. But if you go to the post I
>> responded to and it's not THERE, then THEY DELETED OR SOMEONE BEFORE THEM
>> DID, not I.
>>
>> Here is the sorted run, BY LINE REMEMBER, so remarks are NOT in order by
>> poster. Do your best:
>
>
> You REPLIED to ME, not Inkspot, NOT Greg not Dan.. TO ME - your response to
> ME had the text of the post removed just as you did AGAIN NOW!

No, I didn't reply to you in the post you claim I did deletions in.

Please show us the POST you claim I did these deletions in.

It must be in the thread, not pulled up from somewhere else and not
relevant to the discussion. That would be too much like you to try that
ploy.

Which post is this you are referring to, Ken. I wish to see this post I
am alleged to have deleted your words from.

I don't wish to see YOUR copy of it. Bits and pieces and claims. I wish
to see IT. Link to it. Use google for speed. I'll examine the thread and
if I deleted your text, as you claim and I did NOT note clearly that I
snipped, I will apologize.

Can I assume the same from you if it happens you are mistaken? We all
can make mistakes, of course.

Thanks. 0:-]

[0:->]

freedom wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, "0:->" > wrote:
>> freedom wrote:
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, " krp" > wrote:
>>>> "0:->" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY - MOORE'S ALLEGATIONS
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moore's claims.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focus off of him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> faked message about me and my credentials.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than this!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg had nothing to do with it????
>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake diplomas... you
>>>>>>>>>>>> know... the usual.
>>>> ((It wasn't Greg it was David Moore.))
>>> I didn't appear in ascps until you did. Google archives confirm that
>>> someone else mentioned you and the fact that you have fake credentials.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear this
>>>>>>>>>>>> up," which is all about you.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???"
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because he's looking for Greg to support his claims.
>>>>>>>>>>>> THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And you've fallen for Greg's ploy and been suckered into asCPS.
>>>>>>>>>>>> How's it feel?
>>>>>>>>>>>> You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass like
>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg can
>>>>>>>>>>>> play you like a two dollar violin???
>>>>>>>>>> Dan - he's not playing me.
>>>>>>>>> That's not what the evidence demonstrates.
>>>>>>>> Apparently you are seeing what you want to see.
>>>>>>>>>> Only Ron and Kane are trying to. It isn't working and that is driving
>>>>>>>>>> the pair bat****.
>>>>>>>>> You're ****ing up a very long rope, Ken.
>>>>>>>> Well, the two ARE hard cases, I admit. BUT they are also
>>>>>>>> IDIOTS............. Look at what I got from Mr.. Moore today:
>>>>>>>> ================
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message -------- From: - Sun Jan 14 09:08:33 2007
>>>>>>>> X-UIDL: 218016
>>>>>>>> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
>>>>>>>> X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000
>>>>>>>> Return-Path: >
>>>>>>>> Received: from [62.149.203.80] (HELO tank.mixmaster.it) by
>>>>>>>> mailsys01.intnet.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.4) with ESMTP-TLS id
>>>>>>>> 134773869 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:52:36 -0500
>>>>>>>> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by
>>>>>>>> tank.mixmaster.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85C81001849; Sun, 14 Jan
>>>>>>>> 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>>>>>> Received: from tank.mixmaster.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost
>>>>>>>> (tank.mixmaster.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id
>>>>>>>> 11986-03; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>>>>>> Received: from pboxlevel3.homelinux.net
>>>>>>>> (host61-166-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it [82.60.166.61])
>>>>>>>> (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN
>>>>>>>> "pboxmix.winstonsmith.info", Issuer " (verified
>>>>>>>> OK)) by tank.mixmaster.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B19100176F; Sun, 14
>>>>>>>> Jan 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>>>>>> Received: by pboxlevel3.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 108)
>>>>>>>> id B00534601E; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:51:44 +0100 (CET)
>>>>>>>> From: Non scrivetemi >
>>>>>>>> Message: This is a Type II anonymous message, sent to you by the
>>>>>>>> Winston Smith Project Pboxmix mixmaster server at
>>>>>>>> pboxmix.winstonsmith.info. If you do not want to receive anonymous
>>>>>>>> messages, please contact . For more
>>>>>>>> information about anonymity, see https://www.winstonsmith.info/pws or
>>>>>>>> https://e-privacy.firenze.linux.it.
>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>> Subject: KEN
>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>> Newsgroups: alt.men.politics
>>>>>>>> X-No-Archive: yes
>>>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>>>> ith.info>
>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:51:44 +0100 (CET)
>>>>>>>> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at
>>>>>>>> mixmaster.it
>>>>>> KANE DELETES ALL TEXT
>>>>> Prove it by returning it to this space, and site the post with active
>>>>> pointer so we may actually look at it.
>>>> It was an E-MAIL Kane. But HERE it is: (text restored)
>>> It was a post. It appeared in the alt.men.politics newsgroup. It's also
>>> noted that you altered it between there and here.
>>>
>>>
>>>> ================================================== =====================
>>>> =======
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message -------- From: - Sun Jan 14 09:08:33 2007
>>>> X-UIDL: 218016
>>>> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
>>>> X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000
>>>> Return-Path: >
>>>> Received: from [62.149.203.80] (HELO tank.mixmaster.it) by
>>>> mailsys01.intnet.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.4) with ESMTP-TLS id
>>>> 134773869 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:52:36 -0500
>>>> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tank.mixmaster.it
>>>> (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85C81001849; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>> Received: from tank.mixmaster.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost
>>>> (tank.mixmaster.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id
>>>> 11986-03; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>> Received: from pboxlevel3.homelinux.net
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>>>> TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN
>>>> "pboxmix.winstonsmith.info", Issuer " (verified
>>>> OK)) by
>>>> tank.mixmaster.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B19100176F; Sun, 14 Jan 2007
>>>> 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>> Received: by pboxlevel3.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 108) id
>>>> B00534601E; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:51:44 +0100 (CET)
>>>> From: Non scrivetemi >
>>>> Message: This is a Type II anonymous message, sent to you by the
>>>> Winston Smith Project Pboxmix mixmaster server at
>>>> pboxmix.winstonsmith.info.
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>>>> . For more information about anonymity, see
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>>>> To:
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>>>> Cc:
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>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>
>>>> ith.info>
>>>> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:51:44 +0100 (CET)
>>>> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at mixmaster.it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
>>>> peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet
>>>> ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!
>>>> ================================================== =========
>>>>> I deleted nothing whatsoever.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you did. Now, be true to form and delete it again and this time,
>>>> please
>>>> be "OUTRAGED."
>>>>
>>>>> You are clearly established as a liar unless you can return this
>>>>> "delets"[sic] for us.
>>>> And if I do????? Hmmm wear your decoration with pride.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> And the significance of the post with this header would be?
>>>>>> You removed it. Relavence is that he thinks you are an IDIOT Kane.
>>>>> I removed nothing. I rarely snip anything, and when I do I mark it with
>>>>> ".....snip....." and sometimes include comments in the snip indicator.
>>>>> You are mistaken or lying.
>>>> No Kane you are the one with the problem. Now, tell you what, delete the
>>>> text again and then put on a REALLY angry act and call me some names saying
>>>> I am lying again and you just proved it. Thump your chest like the Alpha
>>>> Male you pretend to be.
>>>>
>>>>>>> for all we know it was a birthday salutation of good wishes, and many
>>>>>>> more years of flatulence. R R RRRRR
>>>>>> SURE.
>>>>> If it's not there we cannot tell. If someone snipped anything it appears
>>>>> more likely to be you.
>>>>> So return my "snipped" comments and prove I snipped.
>>>>>>> You seem to be losing it, Ken.
>>>> In your dreams Kane. It is restored. Before you bellow - remember
>>>> somebody else (the HATED Greg) responded to it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> It is because your own sources prove ME correct and YOU wrong!
>>>>> I'd love to see you prove that. I'm all for you, Ken. Just do as I asked
>>>>> instead of dodging again.
>>>> Let's go to MY post. My statement was that "caseworkers" in the main
>>>> don't have degrees in any field that would prepare them to make life and
>>>> death decisions regarding children's welfare. YOU claimed that most have
>>>> degrees in mental health fields. Ron quoted Nebraska's specifications. You
>>>> BOTH claim it show that I was "lying." When finally the secondary link was
>>>> followed nad quoted it verified what *I* originally said, that while a
>>>> degree in social work, psychology or some closely related field is
>>>> "PREFERRED" it isn't "REQUIRED." Then seeing THAT you guys quoted another
>>>> paragraph and tried to make that float as your "PROOF" I had lied! But
>>>> that
>>>> paragraph applied to "SUPERVISORS" and NOT to "case workers" but you still
>>>> tried to insist it DID until it became obvious that was fruitless.
>>>> Then you
>>>> changed gears again and went after my 15 minutes of "in-service training"
>>>> comment and TRIED to distort that with a paragraph on TRAINING that
>>>> does NOT
>>>> refer to new hired and field assignments, BUT to later status. And even
>>>> then when challenged to prove they ACTUALLY get that training all you could
>>>> respond to with me was calling me names and insisting that I am a
>>>> "liar" and
>>>> using the brown fog you created as a shield for the REAL FACT.
>>>> It's panic time, Kane, NOBODY is defending you two any more.
>>>>
>>>> Asking me to repost what I originally posted was a mistake Kane. You are
>>>> cementing your credibility even with people inclined to take your side
>>>> which
>>>> is why you are now so ALL ALONE. You can THINK it's lonely at the top, but
>>>> you need GPS because that AIN'T where you are!
>>>
>>> http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
>> If Ken, or anyone else in the sock clone of Ken, should challenge you
>> with this bull**** of having deleted something in a long convoluted and
>> character rich post, and you have access to a good word processor that
>> sorts documents, do what I did.
>>
>> Take both posts, sort them as a single post, and note what does and does
>> not come up duplicated.
>>
>> If there are single lines with no mate (you must sort by 'first word in
>> line") then that line was not in one of the posts.
>>
>> It's easy to see if it's relevant to the claim of those such as Ken.
>>
>> He lied to me and readers on this claim. I sorted and no such missing
>> deleted text appeared in the mix of my post and the post I replied to.
>>
>> If there was something missing then someone other than I removed it.
>>
>> Before the post I replied to. Simple logic.
>>
>> Have a nice day.
>>
>> Kane
>>
>
> Probably won't do much good...he'll simply turn right around and continue
> lying about it, two minutes after being outted on it. He does this sort of
> thing all the time...for example, claiming that someone else started or
> crossposted a discussion, when the proof that he did so is right there for
> all to see. Or the "sock puppet" aliases which are always blatantly
> obvious, even without him screwing up and posting under the wrong IDs.

Yes, I've seen the evidence.

I've also watched here the blatant lies, subterfuge, adjective jockeying
to change the posters actual comment and intent. The impotent bluster
and implied threats.

The apparent, or possible, "Christ Complex" need to be 'The Victim,'
with claims of being attacked when simply challenged on his claims.

Quite a case.

I can see some reasons for becoming engaged with him over the long term,
but your attachment seems a bit obsessive.

Do you think that people can't, on their own, catch on to him quickly
enough?

He's not that clever that he can hide what he is, and what he actually
does, after all? 0:->

He didn't last long here. It didn't even really take your arrival after
his. This isn't a naive group. This is a tough newsgroup for frauds to
get away with much. You can tell by how quickly they are forced to go to
donning a sock, in fact one right after another in many instances, and
flaming with lies and nonsense.

Many a compulsive liar has been exposed as such here. He wouldn't have
lasted long...and of course didn't.

Ken couldn't have sold anyone here dying of thirst in the desert a cube
of ice.

I'll cut him lose pretty soon as just one more impotent slob that can't
debate and of course won't.

Best wishes to you. Kane




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[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
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> freedom wrote:
>>>
>>> SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY - MOORE'S ALLEGATIONS
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOJ list

David Moore dodge:

>> I didn't appear in ascps until you did. Google archives confirm that
>> someone else mentioned you and the fact that you have fake credentials.

(It was Moore under one of his anonymous postings.)


>>>>>>>> You're ****ing up a very long rope, Ken.

>>>>>>> Well, the two ARE hard cases, I admit. BUT they are also
>>>>>>> IDIOTS............. Look at what I got from Mr.. Moore today:
>>>>>>> ================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------- Original Message -------- From: - Sun Jan 14 09:08:33 2007
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>>>>>>> >
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>>>>> KANE DELETES ALL TEXT
>>>> Prove it by returning it to this space, and site the post with active
>>>> pointer so we may actually look at it.
>>> It was an E-MAIL Kane. But HERE it is: (text restored)
>>
>> It was a post. It appeared in the alt.men.politics newsgroup. It's also
>> noted that you altered it between there and here.


LIAR!It was a DIRECT QUOTE FROM AN E-MAIL SENT TO ME BY MOORE. RTEAD IT!!
READ IT MORON! READ IT!

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Do you have ANY ability KANE ANY at all to read a header? Or are they
merely a swirl of letters and numbers to you? Do they confuse you so you
start drolling dfown your front?

See where it was sent to? To MY BUSINESS account just as I am gettiung a
FLOOD of them today from your HERO the man you WORSHIP!


>>> ================================================== ============================
>>>
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>>>
>>> Note the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
>>> peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet
>>> ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!
>>> ================================================== =========
>>>> I deleted nothing whatsoever.


>>> Yes, you did. Now, be true to form and delete it again and this time,
>>> please be "OUTRAGED."
>>>
>>>> You are clearly established as a liar unless you can return this
>>>> delets"[sic] for us.
>>> And if I do????? Hmmm wear your decoration with pride.
>
>>>>>> And the significance of the post with this header would be?
>>>>> You removed it. Relavence is that he thinks you are an IDIOT Kane.
>>>> I removed nothing. I rarely snip anything, and when I do I mark it with
>>>> ".....snip....." and sometimes include comments in the snip indicator.
>>>> You are mistaken or lying.
>>> No Kane you are the one with the problem. Now, tell you what, delete
>>> the text again and then put on a REALLY angry act and call me some names
>>> saying I am lying again and you just proved it. Thump your chest like
>>> the Alpha Male you pretend to be.
>>>
>>>>>> for all we know it was a birthday salutation of good wishes, and many
>>>>>> more years of flatulence. R R RRRRR
>>>>> SURE.
>>>> If it's not there we cannot tell. If someone snipped anything it
>>>> appears more likely to be you.
>>>> So return my "snipped" comments and prove I snipped.
>>>>>> You seem to be losing it, Ken.
>>> In your dreams Kane. It is restored. Before you bellow - remember
>>> somebody else (the HATED Greg) responded to it.
>>> Asking me to repost what I originally posted was a mistake Kane. You
>>> are cementing your credibility even with people inclined to take your
>>> side which is why you are now so ALL ALONE. You can THINK it's lonely at
>>> the top, but you need GPS because that AIN'T where you are!


>> http://www.aboutken

> If Ken, or anyone else in the sock clone of Ken, should challenge you with
> this bull**** of having deleted something in a long convoluted and
> character rich post, and you have access to a good word processor that
> sorts documents, do what I did.

> Take both posts, sort them as a single post, and note what does and does
> not come up duplicated.

Which means WHAT dork? The entire TEXT of the post was removed only the
headers left. NICE TRY. BTW, I was sent almost 100 copies of that threat.
They all vary slightly since they go through several remailers.

> If there are single lines with no mate (you must sort by 'first word in
> line") then that line was not in one of the posts.

> It's easy to see if it's relevant to the claim of those such as Ken.

> He lied to me and readers on this claim. I sorted and no such missing
> deleted text appeared in the mix of my post and the post I replied to.

You removed the ACTUAL TEXT

AGAIN I RESTORE THE ENTIRE MESSAGE

===========================================



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NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet
ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!===================\And what you REMOVED was THIS
TEXT:NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet
ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I
have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu
are TRASHED in yet ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the post by Kane today in
ascps. Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the
aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the
post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP
me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHEgroup.I
WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a
group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED
in yet ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the post by Kane today in ascps.
Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken
link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the post by
Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by
posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHEgroup.I
WIN!!!!!!!!!!

[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
news:g_qdnUW5TqLCUDbYnZ2dnUVZ_qunnZ2d@scnresearch. com...
> krp wrote:
>> "0:->" > wrote in message
>> news:cfmdneQVTtd3CzbYnZ2dnUVZ_q2pnZ2d@scnresearch. com...
>>> krp wrote:
>>> .....either a natural mistake, or a blatant lie.....
>>>
>>> Sir, I have checked both the post I responded to, and my reply, that you
>>> now claim "I" deleted portions of.
>>
>>> I was not IN the thread after your post you claim I deleted a portion of
>>> except to respond to a poster flaming sock nym'd "Inkspot."
>>
>>> Let me show you a little trick for finding out if something is missing
>>> from one post to the next in such instances.
>>
>>> If you have a word processor that will sort text by line (WordPerfect
>>> does it nicely).
>>
>>> You take the two documents and past them into a single document and sort
>>> on the first word in a line.
>>
>>> If you find duplicates of ALL lines, then you have a perfect match.
>>
>>> If you find 'leftover' lines, one of the documents failed the test, and
>>> someone removed something from one of the documents, or added something.
>>
>> NICE SMOKESCREEN!
>
> Darned hard to use all the words in two posts, one of which is supposed to
> not match the other because I have 'deleted' text, Ken. Wouldn't you say?
>
> In fact you comment is a smokescreen to cover that it's a perfect test and
> proves you have lied again.

HERE is the text you have now REMOVED several times:

"NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of people
who HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHE
group."

I WIN!!!!!!!!!!"

And you desperately keep removing it again and again and try to SMOKE
the issue by again and again referring to counting characters in WORD
PERFECT as IF it had some relavence AT ALL to the post as I made it and as
you SNIPPED it.

SPECIFICALLY REMOVING THE FOLLOWING TEXT:

"NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of people
who HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHE
group."

I WIN!!!!!!!!!!"

[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
...
> freedom wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>
>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, "0:->" > wrote:
>>> freedom wrote:
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>> SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY - MOORE'S ALLEGATIONS
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOJ list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100% of his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moore's claims.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focus off of him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faked message about me and my credentials.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg had nothing to do with it????
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake
>>>>>>>>>>>>> diplomas... you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know... the usual.
>>>>> ((It wasn't Greg it was David Moore.))
>>>> I didn't appear in ascps until you did. Google archives confirm that
>>>> someone else mentioned you and the fact that you have fake credentials.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> up," which is all about you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because he's looking for Greg to support his claims.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you've fallen for Greg's ploy and been suckered into
>>>>>>>>>>>>> asCPS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How's it feel?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like Greg can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> play you like a two dollar violin???
>>>>>>>>>>> Dan - he's not playing me.
>>>>>>>>>> That's not what the evidence demonstrates.
>>>>>>>>> Apparently you are seeing what you want to see.
>>>>>>>>>>> Only Ron and Kane are trying to. It isn't working and that is
>>>>>>>>>>> driving the pair bat****.
>>>>>>>>>> You're ****ing up a very long rope, Ken.
>>>>>>>>> Well, the two ARE hard cases, I admit. BUT they are also
>>>>>>>>> IDIOTS............. Look at what I got from Mr.. Moore today:
>>>>>>>>> ================
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message -------- From: - Sun Jan 14 09:08:33
>>>>>>>>> 2007
>>>>>>>>> X-UIDL: 218016
>>>>>>>>> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
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>>>>>>>>> 02:52:36 -0500
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>>>>>>>>> Jan 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
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>>>>>>>>> From: Non scrivetemi
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> Message: This is a Type II anonymous message, sent to you
>>>>>>>>> by the Winston Smith Project Pboxmix mixmaster server at
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>>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>>> Subject: KEN
>>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>>> Newsgroups: alt.men.politics
>>>>>>>>> X-No-Archive: yes
>>>>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>>>>> ith.info>
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>>>>>>>>> mixmaster.it
>>>>>>> KANE DELETES ALL TEXT
>>>>>> Prove it by returning it to this space, and site the post with active
>>>>>> pointer so we may actually look at it.
>>>>> It was an E-MAIL Kane. But HERE it is: (text restored)
>>>> It was a post. It appeared in the alt.men.politics newsgroup. It's
>>>> also
>>>> noted that you altered it between there and here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ================================================== =====================
>>>>> =======
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original Message -------- From: - Sun Jan 14 09:08:33 2007
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
>>>>> peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in
>>>>> yet ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>> ================================================== =========
>>>>>> I deleted nothing whatsoever.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, you did. Now, be true to form and delete it again and this time,
>>>>> please be "OUTRAGED."
>>>>>
>>>>>> You are clearly established as a liar unless you can return this
>>>>>> "delets"[sic] for us.
>>>>> And if I do????? Hmmm wear your decoration with pride.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And the significance of the post with this header would be?
>>>>>>> You removed it. Relavence is that he thinks you are an IDIOT
>>>>>>> Kane.
>>>>>> I removed nothing. I rarely snip anything, and when I do I mark it
>>>>>> with ".....snip....." and sometimes include comments in the snip
>>>>>> indicator.
>>>>>> You are mistaken or lying.
>>>>> No Kane you are the one with the problem. Now, tell you what,
>>>>> delete the text again and then put on a REALLY angry act and call me
>>>>> some names saying I am lying again and you just proved it. Thump your
>>>>> chest like the Alpha Male you pretend to be.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> for all we know it was a birthday salutation of good wishes, and
>>>>>>>> many more years of flatulence. R R RRRRR
>>>>>>> SURE.
>>>>>> If it's not there we cannot tell. If someone snipped anything it
>>>>>> appears more likely to be you.
>>>>>> So return my "snipped" comments and prove I snipped.
>>>>>>>> You seem to be losing it, Ken.
>>>>> In your dreams Kane. It is restored. Before you bellow - remember
>>>>> somebody else (the HATED Greg) responded to it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is because your own sources prove ME correct and YOU wrong!
>>>>>> I'd love to see you prove that. I'm all for you, Ken. Just do as I
>>>>>> asked instead of dodging again.
>>>>> Let's go to MY post. My statement was that "caseworkers" in the
>>>>> main don't have degrees in any field that would prepare them to make
>>>>> life and death decisions regarding children's welfare. YOU claimed
>>>>> that most have degrees in mental health fields. Ron quoted Nebraska's
>>>>> specifications. You BOTH claim it show that I was "lying." When
>>>>> finally the secondary link was followed nad quoted it verified what
>>>>> *I* originally said, that while a degree in social work, psychology or
>>>>> some closely related field is "PREFERRED" it isn't "REQUIRED." Then
>>>>> seeing THAT you guys quoted another paragraph and tried to make that
>>>>> float as your "PROOF" I had lied! But
>>>>> that paragraph applied to "SUPERVISORS" and NOT to "case workers" but
>>>>> you still tried to insist it DID until it became obvious that was
>>>>> fruitless.
>>>>> Then you changed gears again and went after my 15 minutes of
>>>>> "in-service training" comment and TRIED to distort that with a
>>>>> paragraph on TRAINING that
>>>>> does NOT refer to new hired and field assignments, BUT to later
>>>>> status. And even then when challenged to prove they ACTUALLY get that
>>>>> training all you could respond to with me was calling me names and
>>>>> insisting that I am a
>>>>> "liar" and using the brown fog you created as a shield for the REAL
>>>>> FACT.
>>>>> It's panic time, Kane, NOBODY is defending you two any more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Asking me to repost what I originally posted was a mistake Kane.
>>>>> You are cementing your credibility even with people inclined to take
>>>>> your side
>>>>> which is why you are now so ALL ALONE. You can THINK it's lonely at
>>>>> the top, but you need GPS because that AIN'T where you are!

>>>> http://www.aboutken

>>> If Ken, or anyone else in the sock clone of Ken, should challenge you
>>> with this bull**** of having deleted something in a long convoluted and
>>> character rich post, and you have access to a good word processor that
>>> sorts documents, do what I did.
>>>
>>> Take both posts, sort them as a single post, and note what does and does
>>> not come up duplicated.
>>>
>>> If there are single lines with no mate (you must sort by 'first word in
>>> line") then that line was not in one of the posts.
>>>
>>> It's easy to see if it's relevant to the claim of those such as Ken.
>>>
>>> He lied to me and readers on this claim. I sorted and no such missing
>>> deleted text appeared in the mix of my post and the post I replied to.
>>>
>>> If there was something missing then someone other than I removed it.
>>>
>>> Before the post I replied to. Simple logic.
>>>
>>> Have a nice day.
>>>
>>> Kane
>>>
>>
>> Probably won't do much good...he'll simply turn right around and continue
>> lying about it, two minutes after being outted on it. He does this sort
>> of
>> thing all the time...for example, claiming that someone else started or
>> crossposted a discussion, when the proof that he did so is right there
>> for
>> all to see. Or the "sock puppet" aliases which are always blatantly
>> obvious, even without him screwing up and posting under the wrong IDs.
>
> Yes, I've seen the evidence.

AND YOU SWALLOW IT WHOLE!

> He didn't last long here. It didn't even really take your arrival after
> his. This isn't a naive group. This is a tough newsgroup for frauds to get
> away with much. You can tell by how quickly they are forced to go to
> donning a sock, in fact one right after another in many instances, and
> flaming with lies and nonsense.


Do you REALLY think you have won Kane? Really?

[Ron]

" krp" > wrote in message
news:8O2rh.2666$hi7.1017@trnddc08...
>
> "0:->" > wrote in message
> news:l_udndSrzvM5VzbYnZ2dnUVZ_rGinZ2d@scnresearch. com...
>> freedom wrote:
>>>>
>>>> SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY - MOORE'S ALLEGATIONS
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOJ list
>
> David Moore dodge:
>
>>> I didn't appear in ascps until you did. Google archives confirm that
>>> someone else mentioned you and the fact that you have fake credentials.
>
> (It was Moore under one of his anonymous postings.)

Or you under one of yours.

Ron

>
>>>>>>>>> You're ****ing up a very long rope, Ken.
>
>>>>>>>> Well, the two ARE hard cases, I admit. BUT they are also
>>>>>>>> IDIOTS............. Look at what I got from Mr.. Moore today:
>>>>>>>> ================
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message -------- From: - Sun Jan 14 09:08:33
>>>>>>>> 2007
>>>>>>>> X-UIDL: 218016
>>>>>>>> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
>>>>>>>> X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000
>>>>>>>> Return-Path: >
>>>>>>>> Received: from [62.149.203.80] (HELO tank.mixmaster.it) by
>>>>>>>> mailsys01.intnet.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.4) with ESMTP-TLS id
>>>>>>>> 134773869 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:52:36 -0500
>>>>>>>> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by
>>>>>>>> tank.mixmaster.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85C81001849; Sun, 14 Jan
>>>>>>>> 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>>>>>> Received: from tank.mixmaster.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost
>>>>>>>> (tank.mixmaster.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with
>>>>>>>> ESMTP id 11986-03; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>>>>>> Received: from pboxlevel3.homelinux.net
>>>>>>>> (host61-166-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it [82.60.166.61])
>>>>>>>> (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client
>>>>>>>> CN "pboxmix.winstonsmith.info", Issuer "
>>>>>>>> (verified OK)) by tank.mixmaster.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id
>>>>>>>> A1B19100176F; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>>>>>> Received: by pboxlevel3.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid
>>>>>>>> 108) id B00534601E; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:51:44 +0100 (CET)
>>>>>>>> From: Non scrivetemi
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> Message: This is a Type II anonymous message, sent to you by
>>>>>>>> the Winston Smith Project Pboxmix mixmaster server at
>>>>>>>> pboxmix.winstonsmith.info. If you do not want to receive anonymous
>>>>>>>> messages, please contact . For more
>>>>>>>> information about anonymity, see https://www.winstonsmith.info/pws
>>>>>>>> or https://e-privacy.firenze.linux.it.
>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>> Subject: KEN
>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>> Newsgroups: alt.men.politics
>>>>>>>> X-No-Archive: yes
>>>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>>>> ith.info>
>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:51:44 +0100 (CET)
>>>>>>>> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at
>>>>>>>> mixmaster.it
>>>>>> KANE DELETES ALL TEXT
>>>>> Prove it by returning it to this space, and site the post with active
>>>>> pointer so we may actually look at it.
>>>> It was an E-MAIL Kane. But HERE it is: (text restored)
>>>
>>> It was a post. It appeared in the alt.men.politics newsgroup. It's
>>> also
>>> noted that you altered it between there and here.
>
>
> LIAR!It was a DIRECT QUOTE FROM AN E-MAIL SENT TO ME BY MOORE. RTEAD IT!!
> READ IT MORON! READ IT!
>
>>>> Received: from [62.149.203.80] (HELO tank.mixmaster.it) by
>>>> mailsys01.intnet.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.4) with ESMTP-TLS id
>>>> 134773869 for
>
> Do you have ANY ability KANE ANY at all to read a header? Or are they
> merely a swirl of letters and numbers to you? Do they confuse you so you
> start drolling dfown your front?
>
> See where it was sent to? To MY BUSINESS account just as I am gettiung a
> FLOOD of them today from your HERO the man you WORSHIP!
>
>
>>>> ================================================== ============================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message -------- From: - Sun Jan 14 09:08:33 2007
>>>> X-UIDL: 218016
>>>> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
>>>> X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000
>>>> Return-Path: >
>>>> Received: from [62.149.203.80] (HELO tank.mixmaster.it) by
>>>> mailsys01.intnet.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.4) with ESMTP-TLS id
>>>> 134773869 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:52:36 -0500
>>>> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by
>>>> tank.mixmaster.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85C81001849; Sun, 14 Jan
>>>> 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>> Received: from tank.mixmaster.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost
>>>> (tank.mixmaster.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id
>>>> 11986-03; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>> Received: from pboxlevel3.homelinux.net
>>>> (host61-166-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it [82.60.166.61])
>>>> (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN
>>>> "pboxmix.winstonsmith.info", Issuer " (verified
>>>> OK)) by tank.mixmaster.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B19100176F; Sun, 14
>>>> Jan 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>> Received: by pboxlevel3.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 108)
>>>> id B00534601E; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:51:44 +0100 (CET)
>>>> From: Non scrivetemi >
>>>> Message: This is a Type II anonymous message, sent to you by the
>>>> Winston Smith Project Pboxmix mixmaster server at
>>>> pboxmix.winstonsmith.info. If you do not want to receive anonymous
>>>> messages, please contact . For more
>>>> information about anonymity, see https://www.winstonsmith.info/pws or
>>>> https://e-privacy.firenze.linux.it.
>>>> To:
>>>> Subject: KEN
>>>> Cc:
>>>> Newsgroups: alt.men.politics
>>>> X-No-Archive: yes
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> ith.info>
>>>> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:51:44 +0100 (CET)
>>>> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at
>>>> mixmaster.it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Note the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
>>>> peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in
>>>> yet ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!
>>>> ================================================== =========
>>>>> I deleted nothing whatsoever.
>
>
>>>> Yes, you did. Now, be true to form and delete it again and this time,
>>>> please be "OUTRAGED."
>>>>
>>>>> You are clearly established as a liar unless you can return this
>>>>> delets"[sic] for us.
>>>> And if I do????? Hmmm wear your decoration with pride.
>>
>>>>>>> And the significance of the post with this header would be?
>>>>>> You removed it. Relavence is that he thinks you are an IDIOT
>>>>>> Kane.
>>>>> I removed nothing. I rarely snip anything, and when I do I mark it
>>>>> with ".....snip....." and sometimes include comments in the snip
>>>>> indicator.
>>>>> You are mistaken or lying.
>>>> No Kane you are the one with the problem. Now, tell you what, delete
>>>> the text again and then put on a REALLY angry act and call me some
>>>> names saying I am lying again and you just proved it. Thump your chest
>>>> like the Alpha Male you pretend to be.
>>>>
>>>>>>> for all we know it was a birthday salutation of good wishes, and
>>>>>>> many more years of flatulence. R R RRRRR
>>>>>> SURE.
>>>>> If it's not there we cannot tell. If someone snipped anything it
>>>>> appears more likely to be you.
>>>>> So return my "snipped" comments and prove I snipped.
>>>>>>> You seem to be losing it, Ken.
>>>> In your dreams Kane. It is restored. Before you bellow - remember
>>>> somebody else (the HATED Greg) responded to it.
>>>> Asking me to repost what I originally posted was a mistake Kane. You
>>>> are cementing your credibility even with people inclined to take your
>>>> side which is why you are now so ALL ALONE. You can THINK it's lonely
>>>> at the top, but you need GPS because that AIN'T where you are!
>
>
>>> http://www.aboutken
>
>> If Ken, or anyone else in the sock clone of Ken, should challenge you
>> with this bull**** of having deleted something in a long convoluted and
>> character rich post, and you have access to a good word processor that
>> sorts documents, do what I did.
>
>> Take both posts, sort them as a single post, and note what does and does
>> not come up duplicated.
>
> Which means WHAT dork? The entire TEXT of the post was removed only
> the headers left. NICE TRY. BTW, I was sent almost 100 copies of that
> threat.
> They all vary slightly since they go through several remailers.
>
>> If there are single lines with no mate (you must sort by 'first word in
>> line") then that line was not in one of the posts.
>
>> It's easy to see if it's relevant to the claim of those such as Ken.
>
>> He lied to me and readers on this claim. I sorted and no such missing
>> deleted text appeared in the mix of my post and the post I replied to.
>
> You removed the ACTUAL TEXT
>
> AGAIN I RESTORE THE ENTIRE MESSAGE
>
> ===========================================
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message -------- From: - Sun Jan 14 09:08:32 2007
> X-UIDL: 218014
> X-Mozilla-Status: 1001
> X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000
> Return-Path: >
> Received: from [62.149.203.80] (HELO tank.mixmaster.it) by
> mailsys01.intnet.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.4) with ESMTP-TLS id
> 134773530 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:44:09 -0500
> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by
> tank.mixmaster.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26022100185E; Sun, 14 Jan 2007
> 08:43:55 +0100 (CET)
> Received: from tank.mixmaster.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost
> (tank.mixmaster.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id
> 10118-06; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:43:55 +0100 (CET)
> Received: from pboxlevel3.homelinux.net
> (host61-166-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it [82.60.166.61]) (using
> TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN
> "pboxmix.winstonsmith.info", Issuer " (verified OK))
> by tank.mixmaster.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A031001762; Sun, 14 Jan
> 2007 08:43:54 +0100 (CET)
> Received: by pboxlevel3.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 108) id
> 231C44603E; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:43:17 +0100 (CET)
> From: Non scrivetemi >
> Message: This is a Type II anonymous message, sent to you by the
> Winston Smith Project Pboxmix mixmaster server at
> pboxmix.winstonsmith.info. If you do not want to receive anonymous
> messages, please contact . For more
> information about anonymity, see https://www.winstonsmith.info/pws or
> https://e-privacy.firenze.linux.it.
> To:
> Subject: KEN
> Cc:
> Newsgroups: alt.men.politics
> X-No-Archive: yes
> Message-ID:
> ith.info>
> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:43:17 +0100 (CET)
> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at
> mixmaster.it
>
>
>
> NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
> peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet
> ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!===================\And what you REMOVED was
> THIS TEXT:NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a
> group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED
> in yet ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the post by Kane today in ascps.
> Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken
> link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the post by
> Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by
> posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHEgroup.I
> WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a
> group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED
> in yet ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the post by Kane today in ascps.
> Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken
> link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the post by
> Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by
> posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHEgroup.I
> WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a
> group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED
> in yet ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!
>

[krp]

"Ron" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>
>>>>> SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY - MOORE'S ALLEGATIONS
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOJ list
>>
>> David Moore dodge:
>>
>>>> I didn't appear in ascps until you did. Google archives confirm that
>>>> someone else mentioned you and the fact that you have fake credentials.
>>
>> (It was Moore under one of his anonymous postings.)
>
> Or you under one of yours.

Ron it's over. Give it up.

[0:->]

krp wrote:
> "Ron" > wrote in message
> ...
>>>>>> SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY - MOORE'S ALLEGATIONS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOJ list
>>> David Moore dodge:
>>>
>>>>> I didn't appear in ascps until you did. Google archives confirm that
>>>>> someone else mentioned you and the fact that you have fake credentials.
>>> (It was Moore under one of his anonymous postings.)
>> Or you under one of yours.
>
> Ron it's over.

That is moore than obvious.

Give it up.

"It?"

Ron doesn't have an "it."

You do.

As long as you post here your "it" will be a necessary subject of
discussion.

Smile and the whole world smiles with you....

Post lies, bull****, bluster, dodges, and other fallacious nonsense and
it smiles at you.

[0:->]

krp wrote:
> "0:->" > wrote in message
> news:l_udndSrzvM5VzbYnZ2dnUVZ_rGinZ2d@scnresearch. com...
>> freedom wrote:
>>>> SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY - MOORE'S ALLEGATIONS
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOJ list
>
> David Moore dodge:
>
>>> I didn't appear in ascps until you did. Google archives confirm that
>>> someone else mentioned you and the fact that you have fake credentials.
>
> (It was Moore under one of his anonymous postings.)

Can you link us to that post please?

I've not seen it. I saw only Greg, Moore, then Pangborn.

Are you suggesting Greg is Moore, or that you could not have responded
to Greg's post here with an anonymous posting of your own?

Refresh our memories.

>>>>>>>>> You're ****ing up a very long rope, Ken.
>
>>>>>>>> Well, the two ARE hard cases, I admit. BUT they are also
>>>>>>>> IDIOTS............. Look at what I got from Mr.. Moore today:
>>>>>>>> ================
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message -------- From: - Sun Jan 14 09:08:33 2007
>>>>>>>> X-UIDL: 218016
>>>>>>>> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
>>>>>>>> X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000
>>>>>>>> Return-Path: >
>>>>>>>> Received: from [62.149.203.80] (HELO tank.mixmaster.it) by
>>>>>>>> mailsys01.intnet.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.4) with ESMTP-TLS id
>>>>>>>> 134773869 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:52:36 -0500
>>>>>>>> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by
>>>>>>>> tank.mixmaster.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85C81001849; Sun, 14 Jan
>>>>>>>> 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>>>>>> Received: from tank.mixmaster.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost
>>>>>>>> (tank.mixmaster.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP
>>>>>>>> id 11986-03; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>>>>>> Received: from pboxlevel3.homelinux.net
>>>>>>>> (host61-166-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it [82.60.166.61])
>>>>>>>> (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client
>>>>>>>> CN "pboxmix.winstonsmith.info", Issuer "
>>>>>>>> (verified OK)) by tank.mixmaster.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id
>>>>>>>> A1B19100176F; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>>>>>> Received: by pboxlevel3.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid
>>>>>>>> 108) id B00534601E; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:51:44 +0100 (CET)
>>>>>>>> From: Non scrivetemi
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> Message: This is a Type II anonymous message, sent to you by
>>>>>>>> the Winston Smith Project Pboxmix mixmaster server at
>>>>>>>> pboxmix.winstonsmith.info. If you do not want to receive anonymous
>>>>>>>> messages, please contact . For more
>>>>>>>> information about anonymity, see https://www.winstonsmith.info/pws
>>>>>>>> or https://e-privacy.firenze.linux.it.
>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>> Subject: KEN
>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>> Newsgroups: alt.men.politics
>>>>>>>> X-No-Archive: yes
>>>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>>>> ith.info>
>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:51:44 +0100 (CET)
>>>>>>>> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at
>>>>>>>> mixmaster.it
>>>>>> KANE DELETES ALL TEXT
>>>>> Prove it by returning it to this space, and site the post with active
>>>>> pointer so we may actually look at it.
>>>> It was an E-MAIL Kane. But HERE it is: (text restored)
>>> It was a post. It appeared in the alt.men.politics newsgroup. It's also
>>> noted that you altered it between there and here.
>
>
> LIAR!It was a DIRECT QUOTE FROM AN E-MAIL SENT TO ME BY MOORE. RTEAD IT!!
> READ IT MORON! READ IT!

I still haven't found that post I'm supposed to have replied to and
deleted text from.

I'm personally not much invested in another diversionary goose chase
until you clear that accusation of me up, with proof. Or admission you
erred. Those you may herd the goose all you wish.

>
>>>> Received: from [62.149.203.80] (HELO tank.mixmaster.it) by
>>>> mailsys01.intnet.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.4) with ESMTP-TLS id
>>>> 134773869 for
>
> Do you have ANY ability KANE ANY at all to read a header?

Sure. Where does it show that I've snipped anything without notice (or
with for that matter) as you accuse me of?

> Or are they
> merely a swirl of letters and numbers to you? Do they confuse you so you
> start drolling dfown your front?

I get the idea that you are now projecting mightily.

> See where it was sent to? To MY BUSINESS account just as I am gettiung a
> FLOOD of them today from your HERO the man you WORSHIP!

I wasn't debating this with you. You are really into Straw, aren't you,
Ken.

My issue was that you accused me of deleting of text. I said I didn't. I
accessed the post you were making the accusation concerning..my post,
and the post I was replying to, which I fully attributed, as it turns out.

Hence, Ken, I could not have, nor did I, delete any text.

I would be happy to graciously and with compliment, accept your
admission of a simple error, and your apology for the tone of your
accusation, your false accusation, as it turns out.

>
>>>> ================================================== ============================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message -------- From: - Sun Jan 14 09:08:33 2007
>>>> X-UIDL: 218016
>>>> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
>>>> X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000
>>>> Return-Path: >
>>>> Received: from [62.149.203.80] (HELO tank.mixmaster.it) by
>>>> mailsys01.intnet.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.4) with ESMTP-TLS id
>>>> 134773869 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:52:36 -0500
>>>> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by
>>>> tank.mixmaster.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85C81001849; Sun, 14 Jan 2007
>>>> 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>> Received: from tank.mixmaster.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost
>>>> (tank.mixmaster.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id
>>>> 11986-03; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>> Received: from pboxlevel3.homelinux.net
>>>> (host61-166-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it [82.60.166.61])
>>>> (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN
>>>> "pboxmix.winstonsmith.info", Issuer " (verified
>>>> OK)) by tank.mixmaster.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B19100176F; Sun, 14
>>>> Jan 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>> Received: by pboxlevel3.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 108)
>>>> id B00534601E; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:51:44 +0100 (CET)
>>>> From: Non scrivetemi >
>>>> Message: This is a Type II anonymous message, sent to you by the
>>>> Winston Smith Project Pboxmix mixmaster server at
>>>> pboxmix.winstonsmith.info. If you do not want to receive anonymous
>>>> messages, please contact . For more
>>>> information about anonymity, see https://www.winstonsmith.info/pws or
>>>> https://e-privacy.firenze.linux.it.
>>>> To:
>>>> Subject: KEN
>>>> Cc:
>>>> Newsgroups: alt.men.politics
>>>> X-No-Archive: yes
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> ith.info>
>>>> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:51:44 +0100 (CET)
>>>> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at
>>>> mixmaster.it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Note the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
>>>> peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet
>>>> ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!
>>>> ================================================== =========
>>>>> I deleted nothing whatsoever.
>
>
>>>> Yes, you did. Now, be true to form and delete it again and this time,
>>>> please be "OUTRAGED."
>>>>
>>>>> You are clearly established as a liar unless you can return this
>>>>> delets"[sic] for us.
>>>> And if I do????? Hmmm wear your decoration with pride.
>>>>>>> And the significance of the post with this header would be?
>>>>>> You removed it. Relavence is that he thinks you are an IDIOT Kane.
>>>>> I removed nothing. I rarely snip anything, and when I do I mark it with
>>>>> ".....snip....." and sometimes include comments in the snip indicator.
>>>>> You are mistaken or lying.
>>>> No Kane you are the one with the problem. Now, tell you what, delete
>>>> the text again and then put on a REALLY angry act and call me some names
>>>> saying I am lying again and you just proved it. Thump your chest like
>>>> the Alpha Male you pretend to be.
>>>>
>>>>>>> for all we know it was a birthday salutation of good wishes, and many
>>>>>>> more years of flatulence. R R RRRRR
>>>>>> SURE.
>>>>> If it's not there we cannot tell. If someone snipped anything it
>>>>> appears more likely to be you.
>>>>> So return my "snipped" comments and prove I snipped.
>>>>>>> You seem to be losing it, Ken.
>>>> In your dreams Kane. It is restored. Before you bellow - remember
>>>> somebody else (the HATED Greg) responded to it.
>>>> Asking me to repost what I originally posted was a mistake Kane. You
>>>> are cementing your credibility even with people inclined to take your
>>>> side which is why you are now so ALL ALONE. You can THINK it's lonely at
>>>> the top, but you need GPS because that AIN'T where you are!
>
>
>>> http://www.aboutken
>
>> If Ken, or anyone else in the sock clone of Ken, should challenge you with
>> this bull**** of having deleted something in a long convoluted and
>> character rich post, and you have access to a good word processor that
>> sorts documents, do what I did.
>
>> Take both posts, sort them as a single post, and note what does and does
>> not come up duplicated.
>
> Which means WHAT dork?

It means I could not have deleted anything since both posts produce
duplicate lines when sorted together. The only ones it fails to
duplicate on sort are those of my own remarks and the poster I responded
to.

All of YOUR post that was attributed by both our posts remains as
duplicate lines.

Is this beyond your capacity to understand? Too complex a concept and
operation?

Try it some time. Take to similar, but slightly different documents.
Copy and paste so they are in one document. Do a "first word in line"
sort using Word Perfect or other wp software and you'll find what I did.
Only those things added in one, or missing from one, will come up as
single lines.

All that are the same in both documents will produce, if there are two
of them, two lines that are duplicates.

There are a number of these kinds of techniques to do research and
examination of documents. I'd share others with you, but I've a hunch
you might abuse them to ....oh, let's say, "debate."

The entire TEXT of the post was removed only the
> headers left.

Please link to my post where I removed all the text and left only the
headers. If I did so, I'm prepared to apologize for my error, and even
do so in advance, if it turns out to be true.

I can't imagine why I would od such a thing, but possibly I made some
argument based on header comparisons, and was not arguing to the text
narrative at all.

Would you be so kind as to give us a link to my post where I'm alleged
to have done this so I might explain the reason for actions...if it
turns out I did indeed do as you claim.

> NICE TRY. BTW, I was sent almost 100 copies of that threat.
> They all vary slightly since they go through several remailers.

I'm not sure what "NICE TRY" is meant to convey. I've no reason to be
deceptive. I'd rather get to the bottom of this and if I've erred
apologize to you and explain my error or my reasons for the action I'm
alleged to have taken.

By the way, I don't use, nor have I ever, anonymous remailers. I'm
familiar with them. I have used proxies on occasion, but they are kind
of obvious. And don't really conceal the source. And I've done so to
conceal my identity as Kane.

>> If there are single lines with no mate (you must sort by 'first word in
>> line") then that line was not in one of the posts.
>
>> It's easy to see if it's relevant to the claim of those such as Ken.
>
>> He lied to me and readers on this claim. I sorted and no such missing
>> deleted text appeared in the mix of my post and the post I replied to.
>
> You removed the ACTUAL TEXT

Please provide a link to my post. I do not know where you are obtaining
this pasted material from. If it's from a post of mine, let me have
access by link, not copy and paste.

Otherwise it begins to appear as though you are being deceptive for your
own part.


>
> AGAIN I RESTORE THE ENTIRE MESSAGE

Link please. Clickable if you don't mind. My wrist is a bit sore from
doing so much wood splitting. The weather is just terrible. I've had to
run my generator over 7 hours already, and I don't post unless it's
running, so I might not be able to respond as quickly as I'd like.

Darn this wrist. Help me out here, thanks. 0:->

Please continue.


>
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> NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
> peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet
> ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!===================\And what you REMOVED was THIS
> TEXT:NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
> peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet
> ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I
> have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu
> are TRASHED in yet ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the post by Kane today in
> ascps. Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the
> aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the
> post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP
> me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHEgroup.I
> WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a
> group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED
> in yet ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the post by Kane today in ascps.
> Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken
> link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the post by
> Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by
> posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHEgroup.I
> WIN!!!!!!!!!!

What portion of the above did I delete please? Or what is missing that I
deleted?

And link me to the actual message so I can see if it is mine, or if
yours to my post where I'm supposed to have deleted text from.

I see only ONE post of mine above YOURS first accusing me of deletion.
And I used only MINE, and the poster I replied to for my duplication
analysis. Where IS this post you refer to?

To what post of mine is the poster referring, and who IS this poster above?

By LINK please. Not by copy and paste, thank you.

Ken, anyone can take another's post, or even someone else's, and make a
claim about it, but without direct access to that post the claim is made
about, no reader can be sure the claim is valid.

Provide the link if you don't mind.

And lest you 'forget to' again, I guess I'll have to go back and start
counting the times I've made this request and you've ignored it.

Ken, is it possible you make accusations to distract and misdirect
readers? Would you not have some reservations about the honesty of
others if they did that to you?

I believe the subject is YOUR credibility in this thread at any given
moment, but we seem to have spent a lot of bandwidth discussion an
accusation about mine. Why is that I wonder?

We can carry on such a discussion in another thread if that would help
avoid confusion and any suspicion you might be deliberately throwing out
accusations to take the focus and heat off your credibility.

I prefer to stay on one topic per thread at a time if possible.

Kane

[0:->]

krp wrote:
> "0:->" > wrote in message
> news:g_qdnUW5TqLCUDbYnZ2dnUVZ_qunnZ2d@scnresearch. com...
>> krp wrote:
>>> "0:->" > wrote in message
>>> news:cfmdneQVTtd3CzbYnZ2dnUVZ_q2pnZ2d@scnresearch. com...
>>>> krp wrote:
>>>> .....either a natural mistake, or a blatant lie.....
>>>>
>>>> Sir, I have checked both the post I responded to, and my reply, that you
>>>> now claim "I" deleted portions of.
>>>> I was not IN the thread after your post you claim I deleted a portion of
>>>> except to respond to a poster flaming sock nym'd "Inkspot."
>>>> Let me show you a little trick for finding out if something is missing
>>>> from one post to the next in such instances.
>>>> If you have a word processor that will sort text by line (WordPerfect
>>>> does it nicely).
>>>> You take the two documents and past them into a single document and sort
>>>> on the first word in a line.
>>>> If you find duplicates of ALL lines, then you have a perfect match.
>>>> If you find 'leftover' lines, one of the documents failed the test, and
>>>> someone removed something from one of the documents, or added something.
>>> NICE SMOKESCREEN!
>> Darned hard to use all the words in two posts, one of which is supposed to
>> not match the other because I have 'deleted' text, Ken. Wouldn't you say?
>>
>> In fact you comment is a smokescreen to cover that it's a perfect test and
>> proves you have lied again.
>
> HERE is the text you have now REMOVED several times:

No, I've not removed a thing. Please provide a link to that post of MINE
where I leave out, deleted as you claim, the text below you have copied
and pasted.

>
> "NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of people
> who HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHE
> group."
>
> I WIN!!!!!!!!!!"

Not until you provide that link to my post you claim this text is
missing from due to MY deletion.

In order of posting, your first accusation I deleted something came
after a post of mine that had zero deletions in that could have been
mine, because I fully attributed the poster before me my post was
address in reply to.

Now it's possible HE (inkspot) or someone before him did some deletion,
but I assure you I did none, and so far you have not provided the least
proof, but simply keep copying and pasting something you claim I
deleted...now you are claiming I keep doing it.

Yet there are NO links by you to MY post that you allege contains these
deletions.
>
> And you desperately keep removing it again and again and try to SMOKE
> the issue by again and again referring to counting characters in WORD
> PERFECT as IF it had some relavence AT ALL to the post as I made it and as
> you SNIPPED it.

So far I have deleted nothing. You are attributed in full in every reply
to your posts that I make. This one included.

Please show where I, Kane, am doing these deletions by providing a link
to the posts in question.

You keep making the claim and refusing the simple request for proof I
did this.

>
> SPECIFICALLY REMOVING THE FOLLOWING TEXT:

I've removed nothing.

> "NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of people
> who HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHE
> group."
>
> I WIN!!!!!!!!!!"

Your declarations do not match the facts so far.

I'm waiting for the link, or links (now) that would prove conclusively
that I, Kane, am doing some deletions.

You do appear to be getting kind of wrought up, though.

Maybe a short break, a cup of coffee, a nap, and come back and read your
first post where you make the claim, in reply to a post of MINE, that I
have deleted text.

Then LOOK at my post, and see if that is true but checking out the post
I am replying to, from inkspot, and seeing if I indeed did remove any of
the text of his post.

If I did so, and so far I cannot find that I did, I will happily
apologize to you.

That text you posted above, by the way, appears in both inkspots post,
and my reply to his post. Here are both posts, again, in full.

You, next in line, claim I removed what is actually there.

Inkspot's post:
krp wrote:
> "Dan Sullivan" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
>
>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ
>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100% of
>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of
Moore's
>>>>>>>> claims.
>>>>>>> KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the
focus off of
>>>>>>> him.
>
>>>>>> No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here
because of
>>>>>> faked message about me and my credentials.
>
>>>>>>> And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!
>>>>>> I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone else.
>>>>> Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than this!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg had nothing to do with it????
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.
>>>>>
>>>>> Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake diplomas... you
>>>>> know... the usual.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear this
>>>>> up," which is all about you.
>>>>>
>>>>> The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???"
>>>>>
>>>>> Because he's looking for Greg to support his claims.
>
>>>>> THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you've fallen for Greg's ploy and been suckered into asCPS.
>>>>>
>>>>> How's it feel?
>>>>> You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass like
Greg can
>>>>> play you like a two dollar violin???
>
>>> Dan - he's not playing me.
>
>> That's not what the evidence demonstrates.
>
> Apparently you are seeing what you want to see.
>
>
>>> Only Ron and Kane are trying to. It isn't
>>> working and that is driving the pair bat****.
>
>> You're ****ing up a very long rope, Ken.
>
> Well, the two ARE hard cases, I admit. BUT they are also
IDIOTS............. Look at what I got from Mr.. Moore today:
>
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> NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
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ANOTHERgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!
>

Congratulations.

Bye.

Kane's reply post:

krp wrote:
> "Dan Sullivan" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
>
>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ
>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100% of
>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of
Moore's
>>>>>>>> claims.
>>>>>>> KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the
focus off of
>>>>>>> him.
>
>>>>>> No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here
because of
>>>>>> faked message about me and my credentials.
>
>>>>>>> And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!
>>>>>> I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone else.
>>>>> Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than this!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg had nothing to do with it????
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.
>>>>>
>>>>> Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake diplomas... you
>>>>> know... the usual.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear this
>>>>> up," which is all about you.
>>>>>
>>>>> The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???"
>>>>>
>>>>> Because he's looking for Greg to support his claims.
>
>>>>> THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you've fallen for Greg's ploy and been suckered into asCPS.
>>>>>
>>>>> How's it feel?
>>>>> You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass like
Greg can
>>>>> play you like a two dollar violin???
>
>>> Dan - he's not playing me.
>
>> That's not what the evidence demonstrates.
>
> Apparently you are seeing what you want to see.
>
>
>>> Only Ron and Kane are trying to. It isn't
>>> working and that is driving the pair bat****.
>
>> You're ****ing up a very long rope, Ken.
>
> Well, the two ARE hard cases, I admit. BUT they are also
IDIOTS............. Look at what I got from Mr.. Moore today:
>
> ================
>
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And the significance of the post with this header would be?

for all we know it was a birthday salutation of good wishes, and many
more years of flatulence. R R RRRRR

You seem to be losing it, Ken.

> NOte the post by Kane today in ascps.

Okay. I've noted all my posts. Relevance to your apparent claim your
credibility is still intact? I can't find it. Maybe you can point to my
post that makes some connection.

> Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the
aboutken link.

How do they do this helping, precisely?

> Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHERgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!

"Yopu,"[sic] as in 'Dan Sullivan,' who you appear to be posting a reply to?

What did you win, and can I have some too?

Please explain.

Thanks, Kane
.............

You will note that the text you provided as my having "deleted" appears
in inkspots post above as:

"
>
> NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet
ANOTHERgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!
>"

Then we move on to MY posted reply.

With my interspersed remarks to 'inkspot' as:

> NOte the post by Kane today in ascps.

Okay. I've noted all my posts. Relevance to your apparent claim your
credibility is still intact? I can't find it. Maybe you can point to my
post that makes some connection.

> Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the
aboutken link.

How do they do this helping, precisely?

> Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHERgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!! "

The ONLY difference, Ken, are my remarks. All of yours are there.

Any comment? An apology?

Or yet anther ranting accusation without proof by YOU providing a link
to some mythical post you think I deleted from.

The only posts in question, as far as I can tell from your original
accusation, are those two above.

Both have the same things in them. If you take my comments OUT of that
last piece you end up with YOUR comments I'm supposed to have deleted.

Each is properly attributed with a single ">" mark as yours.

Where ">" does not appear, those are my remarks.

Go ahead, remove all lines that do NOT have the ">" mark.

Try it, you'll like it. I think.

You appear too easily confused by attributions, Ken.

Might it be of help to you, since I think we can see your problem now,
if I didn't do as much of the interspersing I do and confined myself to
responding only at the end of paragraphs when I reply to you? Happy to
do so....but the problem remains that I'm going to continue to post to
others with that richness of interspercing.

I presume, if I don't want to be falsely accused of "delets"[sic] by you
again, that I'll have to come and do this kind of mopping up of detail?

I can only hope your level of service to those that pay you doesn't
falter in this manner, this easily.

Kane

[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
news:Cu2dnagcXufRZDHYnZ2dnUVZ_tfinZ2d@scnresearch. com...
> krp wrote:


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national DOJ list
>>>> David Moore dodge:
>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't appear in ascps until you did. Google archives confirm that
>>>>>> someone else mentioned you and the fact that you have fake
>>>>>> credentials.
>>>> (It was Moore under one of his anonymous postings.)
>>> Or you under one of yours.
>>
>> Ron it's over.
>
> That is moore than obvious.

Remember something when you are next tempted to get into a ****ing contest
Kane, it's necessary to bring along a penis.

[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
news:3MqdnZ6boLidnzDYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@scnresearch. com...

>> freedom wrote:
>>>>> SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY - MOORE'S ALLEGATIONS
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOJ list
>>
>> David Moore dodge:
>>
>>>> I didn't appear in ascps until you did. Google archives confirm that
>>>> someone else mentioned you and the fact that you have fake credentials.
>>
>> (It was Moore under one of his anonymous postings.)

> Can you link us to that post please?

Find it yourself do a google searcg under the word "bogus."
>
> I've not seen it. I saw only Greg, Moore, then Pangborn.

It was one of his cowardly anonymous posts. He was doing the mission
"god" has called him to "warning" you about me!

> Are you suggesting Greg is Moore, or that you could not have responded to
> Greg's post here with an anonymous posting of your own?

Nope.

> Refresh our memories.

>> Do you have ANY ability KANE ANY at all to read a header?

> Sure. Where does it show that I've snipped anything without notice (or
> with for that matter) as you accuse me of?

When you quote my post and the TEXT of the message *I* quoted is
removed.. Guess why did it?


> My issue was that you accused me of deleting of text. I said I didn't. I
> accessed the post you were making the accusation concerning..my post, and
> the post I was replying to, which I fully attributed, as it turns out.

Let me make this simple for you. When I make a post, and I quote verbatim an
e-mail I received from Mr. Moore and then you quote my post berating me for
what I said attacking me for "lying" and you removed the TEXT of the Moore
post I quoted what other conclusion can I make when that text is ABSENT in
YOUR quote???????

[krp]

0:->" > wrote in message
...

>>> In fact you comment is a smokescreen to cover that it's a perfect test
>>> and proves you have lied again.
>
>> HERE is the text you have now REMOVED several times:

> No, I've not removed a thing. Please provide a link to that post of MINE
> where I leave out, deleted as you claim, the text below you have copied
> and pasted.

AGAIN removed and thre ANGRY "I've not removed a thing"rant right after
removing it again and again and again.

Personal insults and ranting removed.

[0:->]

krp wrote:
> "0:->" > wrote in message
> news:Cu2dnagcXufRZDHYnZ2dnUVZ_tfinZ2d@scnresearch. com...
>> krp wrote:
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national DOJ list
>>>>> David Moore dodge:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't appear in ascps until you did. Google archives confirm that
>>>>>>> someone else mentioned you and the fact that you have fake
>>>>>>> credentials.
>>>>> (It was Moore under one of his anonymous postings.)
>>>> Or you under one of yours.
>>> Ron it's over.
>> That is moore than obvious.
>
> Remember something when you are next tempted to get into a ****ing contest
> Kane, it's necessary to bring along a penis.

<yaaaaaawn>

[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
news:1LWdnTf1_4oG0jDYnZ2dnUVZ_vXinZ2d@scnresearch. com...
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national DOJ list
>>>>>> David Moore dodge:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I didn't appear in ascps until you did. Google archives confirm
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> someone else mentioned you and the fact that you have fake
>>>>>>>> credentials.
>>>>>> (It was Moore under one of his anonymous postings.)
>>>>> Or you under one of yours.
>>>> Ron it's over.
>>> That is moore than obvious.
>>
>> Remember something when you are next tempted to get into a ****ing
>> contest Kane, it's necessary to bring along a penis.
>
> <yaaaaaawn>

POST your proof or STFU.

[0:->]

krp wrote:
> "0:->" > wrote in message
> news:3MqdnZ6boLidnzDYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@scnresearch. com...
>
>>> freedom wrote:
>>>>>> SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY - MOORE'S ALLEGATIONS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOJ list
>>> David Moore dodge:
>>>
>>>>> I didn't appear in ascps until you did. Google archives confirm that
>>>>> someone else mentioned you and the fact that you have fake credentials.
>>> (It was Moore under one of his anonymous postings.)
>
>> Can you link us to that post please?
>
> Find it yourself do a google searcg under the word "bogus."

Nope. I didn't claim I deleted part of your post. You did.

>> I've not seen it. I saw only Greg, Moore, then Pangborn.
>
> It was one of his cowardly anonymous posts. He was doing the mission
> "god" has called him to "warning" you about me!

That is your claim. I have no proof one way or the other, nor is it the
subject of you accusation of me that I, Kane, deleted something.

I asked for a link.

Am I going to see one?

Have you looked at my evidence that you are wrong? My post, and the post
I replied to?

Did it not have the same material in it that you pasted here and claimed
I deleted?
>
>> Are you suggesting Greg is Moore, or that you could not have responded to
>> Greg's post here with an anonymous posting of your own?
>
> Nope.
>
>> Refresh our memories.
>
>>> Do you have ANY ability KANE ANY at all to read a header?
>
>> Sure. Where does it show that I've snipped anything without notice (or
>> with for that matter) as you accuse me of?
>
> When you quote my post and the TEXT of the message *I* quoted is
> removed.. Guess why did it?

"Guess why did it?"

Clarify please.

I didn't quote your post and remove anything. And I've posted proof I
didn't. I posted another's post of your quote and interspersed my
comments in amongst the words...which still all remained there, all
correctly attributed to YOUR posted quote.

Unless you were referring to some other post that quote you recently
pasted up came from, I'm unable to clarify this any further for you.
>
>> My issue was that you accused me of deleting of text. I said I didn't. I
>> accessed the post you were making the accusation concerning..my post, and
>> the post I was replying to, which I fully attributed, as it turns out.
>
> Let me make this simple for you. When I make a post, and I quote verbatim an
> e-mail I received from Mr. Moore and then you quote my post berating me for
> what I said attacking me for "lying" and you removed the TEXT of the Moore
> post I quoted what other conclusion can I make when that text is ABSENT in
> YOUR quote???????

But I had not addressed you until you claimed I had deleted the material.

Show a link to the post or posts you are referring to.

I'll be happy, as I told you, to review them and if I can find where in
fact I deleted something then apologize.

I am unable, even by a search on "bogus" to produce a post of mine, that
preceded your post accusing me of deleting, where I deleted anything at
all.

I added to. I did not delete.

Do wish to continue dodging, or are you going to produce the link to the
posts in question?

It's simple enough.

Let me give you the links to the two posts that are involved here. The
one of mine that preceded yours where you accused me of deleting, and
the post I responded to, where I quoted it in full by attributing.

If these are not the posts in question, led us to those that are, by the
same means I politely give you.

Thanks:

This is inkspot's post. I see it has YOUR post as you pasted it here,
fully attributed.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/e4b0d5dc1afe601b?hl=en&

Then there is my post in reply to him, a duplicate, in the attributions,
again of your post he attributed.

I only added, as I've pointed out, and I notice you snipped without
notice or regard from you post I am now replying to. Was that deliberate
or an accident, since it clearly showed that I had not done what you
accused me of? 0:->

Well, here's the link at any rate:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/5c345860517ab377?hl=en&

Now I looked at both. They appear exactly as I previously posted to you
last, with the duplicated remarks you claim I deleted. They are THERE in
both.

And it's what YOU posted by copy and paste claiming I had deleted that
text.

Please explain.

Kane

[0:->]

krp wrote:
> 0:->" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>>> In fact you comment is a smokescreen to cover that it's a perfect test
>>>> and proves you have lied again.
>>> HERE is the text you have now REMOVED several times:
>
>> No, I've not removed a thing. Please provide a link to that post of MINE
>> where I leave out, deleted as you claim, the text below you have copied
>> and pasted.
>
> AGAIN removed

Yes, and as the last time, by you. Not I.

My post is NOT represented fully here, Ken.

Yet I can find it just as I posted it, 8:48am, before you replied to it.
Go and read it.

It's at:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/3a0b3357981990f3?hl=en&


and thre ANGRY "I've not removed a thing"rant

I'm neither angry, nor ranting, Ken. Are you?

> right after
> removing it again and again and again.

I've never removed it. Not the first time, and not subsequently. All
indications are that you in fact removed it. Unless someone is between
myself and your reader that can manipulate your incoming posts.

Try reading it in google groups and see what I and others who look there
see. It there completely. No deletes whatsoever, or ever.

Here is the body of my post, available at the link by browser. This will
be deucedly long, as again, I've deleted nothing. To help isolate it
from this message, I've pasted it as a quotation, which will show on
your reader as attributed.

This is the only post of mine you could be referring to.

(Note: I have a last comment at the end of this very long post. Please
don't delete it or anything in this post.

I am mailing it privately to a couple of sources who will hold it for me
so that my post can't be altered without it being obviously apparent to
them. I may ask them to repost it as I sent it out.

That may help you find the culprit 0;-] that's been doctoring posts
before they get to your reader, eh?

I'd like to see you come out of this with both the culprit caught and
your credibility more intact than this exchange reveals to any viewers
patient or interested enough to be following along.

I wonder what reader you are using. Could it remove things that aren't
attributed to some standard it requires?:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/3a0b3357981990f3?hl=en&

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> krp wrote:
>> "0:->" > wrote in message
>> news:l_udndSrzvM5VzbYnZ2dnUVZ_rGinZ2d@scnresearch. com...
>>> freedom wrote:
>>>>> SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY - MOORE'S ALLEGATIONS
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOJ list
>
>> David Moore dodge:
>
>>>> I didn't appear in ascps until you did. Google archives confirm that
>>>> someone else mentioned you and the fact that you have fake credentials.
>
>> (It was Moore under one of his anonymous postings.)
>
> Can you link us to that post please?
>
> I've not seen it. I saw only Greg, Moore, then Pangborn.
>
> Are you suggesting Greg is Moore, or that you could not have responded
> to Greg's post here with an anonymous posting of your own?
>
> Refresh our memories.
>
>>>>>>>>>> You're ****ing up a very long rope, Ken.
>
>>>>>>>>> Well, the two ARE hard cases, I admit. BUT they are also
>>>>>>>>> IDIOTS............. Look at what I got from Mr.. Moore today:
>>>>>>>>> ================
>
>>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message -------- From: - Sun Jan 14 09:08:33 2007
>>>>>>>>> X-UIDL: 218016
>>>>>>>>> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
>>>>>>>>> X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000
>>>>>>>>> Return-Path: >
>>>>>>>>> Received: from [62.149.203.80] (HELO tank.mixmaster.it) by
>>>>>>>>> mailsys01.intnet.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.4) with ESMTP-TLS id
>>>>>>>>> 134773869 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:52:36 -0500
>>>>>>>>> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by
>>>>>>>>> tank.mixmaster.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85C81001849; Sun, 14 Jan
>>>>>>>>> 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>>>>>>> Received: from tank.mixmaster.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost
>>>>>>>>> (tank.mixmaster.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP
>>>>>>>>> id 11986-03; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>>>>>>> Received: from pboxlevel3.homelinux.net
>>>>>>>>> (host61-166-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it [82.60.166.61])
>>>>>>>>> (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client
>>>>>>>>> CN "pboxmix.winstonsmith.info", Issuer "
>>>>>>>>> (verified OK)) by tank.mixmaster.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id
>>>>>>>>> A1B19100176F; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>>>>>>> Received: by pboxlevel3.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid
>>>>>>>>> 108) id B00534601E; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:51:44 +0100 (CET)
>>>>>>>>> From: Non scrivetemi
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> Message: This is a Type II anonymous message, sent to you by
>>>>>>>>> the Winston Smith Project Pboxmix mixmaster server at
>>>>>>>>> pboxmix.winstonsmith.info. If you do not want to receive anonymous
>>>>>>>>> messages, please contact . For more
>>>>>>>>> information about anonymity, see https://www.winstonsmith.info/pws
>>>>>>>>> or https://e-privacy.firenze.linux.it.
>>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>>> Subject: KEN
>>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>>> Newsgroups: alt.men.politics
>>>>>>>>> X-No-Archive: yes
>>>>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>>>>> ith.info>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:51:44 +0100 (CET)
>>>>>>>>> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at
>>>>>>>>> mixmaster.it
>>>>>>> KANE DELETES ALL TEXT
>>>>>> Prove it by returning it to this space, and site the post with active
>>>>>> pointer so we may actually look at it.
>>>>> It was an E-MAIL Kane. But HERE it is: (text restored)
>>>> It was a post. It appeared in the alt.men.politics newsgroup. It's also
>>>> noted that you altered it between there and here.
>
>> LIAR!It was a DIRECT QUOTE FROM AN E-MAIL SENT TO ME BY MOORE. RTEAD IT!!
>> READ IT MORON! READ IT!
>
> I still haven't found that post I'm supposed to have replied to and
> deleted text from.
>
> I'm personally not much invested in another diversionary goose chase
> until you clear that accusation of me up, with proof. Or admission you
> erred. Those you may herd the goose all you wish.
>
>>>>> Received: from [62.149.203.80] (HELO tank.mixmaster.it) by
>>>>> mailsys01.intnet.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.4) with ESMTP-TLS id
>>>>> 134773869 for
>
>> Do you have ANY ability KANE ANY at all to read a header?
>
> Sure. Where does it show that I've snipped anything without notice (or
> with for that matter) as you accuse me of?
>
>> Or are they
>> merely a swirl of letters and numbers to you? Do they confuse you so you
>> start drolling dfown your front?
>
> I get the idea that you are now projecting mightily.
>
>> See where it was sent to? To MY BUSINESS account just as I am gettiung a
>> FLOOD of them today from your HERO the man you WORSHIP!
>
> I wasn't debating this with you. You are really into Straw, aren't you,
> Ken.
>
> My issue was that you accused me of deleting of text. I said I didn't. I
> accessed the post you were making the accusation concerning..my post,
> and the post I was replying to, which I fully attributed, as it turns out.
>
> Hence, Ken, I could not have, nor did I, delete any text.
>
> I would be happy to graciously and with compliment, accept your
> admission of a simple error, and your apology for the tone of your
> accusation, your false accusation, as it turns out.
>
>>>>> ================================================== ============================
>
>>>>> -------- Original Message -------- From: - Sun Jan 14 09:08:33 2007
>>>>> X-UIDL: 218016
>>>>> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
>>>>> X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000
>>>>> Return-Path: >
>>>>> Received: from [62.149.203.80] (HELO tank.mixmaster.it) by
>>>>> mailsys01.intnet.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.4) with ESMTP-TLS id
>>>>> 134773869 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:52:36 -0500
>>>>> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by
>>>>> tank.mixmaster.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85C81001849; Sun, 14 Jan 2007
>>>>> 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>>> Received: from tank.mixmaster.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost
>>>>> (tank.mixmaster.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id
>>>>> 11986-03; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>>> Received: from pboxlevel3.homelinux.net
>>>>> (host61-166-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it [82.60.166.61])
>>>>> (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN
>>>>> "pboxmix.winstonsmith.info", Issuer " (verified
>>>>> OK)) by tank.mixmaster.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B19100176F; Sun, 14
>>>>> Jan 2007 08:52:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>>> Received: by pboxlevel3.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 108)
>>>>> id B00534601E; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:51:44 +0100 (CET)
>>>>> From: Non scrivetemi >
>>>>> Message: This is a Type II anonymous message, sent to you by the
>>>>> Winston Smith Project Pboxmix mixmaster server at
>>>>> pboxmix.winstonsmith.info. If you do not want to receive anonymous
>>>>> messages, please contact . For more
>>>>> information about anonymity, see https://www.winstonsmith.info/pws or
>>>>> https://e-privacy.firenze.linux.it.
>>>>> To:
>>>>> Subject: KEN
>>>>> Cc:
>>>>> Newsgroups: alt.men.politics
>>>>> X-No-Archive: yes
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> ith.info>
>>>>> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:51:44 +0100 (CET)
>>>>> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at
>>>>> mixmaster.it
>
>>>>> Note the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
>>>>> peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet
>>>>> ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>> ================================================== =========
>>>>>> I deleted nothing whatsoever.
>
>>>>> Yes, you did. Now, be true to form and delete it again and this time,
>>>>> please be "OUTRAGED."
>
>>>>>> You are clearly established as a liar unless you can return this
>>>>>> delets"[sic] for us.
>>>>> And if I do????? Hmmm wear your decoration with pride.
>>>>>>>> And the significance of the post with this header would be?
>>>>>>> You removed it. Relavence is that he thinks you are an IDIOT Kane.
>>>>>> I removed nothing. I rarely snip anything, and when I do I mark it with
>>>>>> ".....snip....." and sometimes include comments in the snip indicator.
>>>>>> You are mistaken or lying.
>>>>> No Kane you are the one with the problem. Now, tell you what, delete
>>>>> the text again and then put on a REALLY angry act and call me some names
>>>>> saying I am lying again and you just proved it. Thump your chest like
>>>>> the Alpha Male you pretend to be.
>
>>>>>>>> for all we know it was a birthday salutation of good wishes, and many
>>>>>>>> more years of flatulence. R R RRRRR
>>>>>>> SURE.
>>>>>> If it's not there we cannot tell. If someone snipped anything it
>>>>>> appears more likely to be you.
>>>>>> So return my "snipped" comments and prove I snipped.
>>>>>>>> You seem to be losing it, Ken.
>>>>> In your dreams Kane. It is restored. Before you bellow - remember
>>>>> somebody else (the HATED Greg) responded to it.
>>>>> Asking me to repost what I originally posted was a mistake Kane. You
>>>>> are cementing your credibility even with people inclined to take your
>>>>> side which is why you are now so ALL ALONE. You can THINK it's lonely at
>>>>> the top, but you need GPS because that AIN'T where you are!
>
>>>> http://www.aboutken
>
>>> If Ken, or anyone else in the sock clone of Ken, should challenge you with
>>> this bull**** of having deleted something in a long convoluted and
>>> character rich post, and you have access to a good word processor that
>>> sorts documents, do what I did.
>
>>> Take both posts, sort them as a single post, and note what does and does
>>> not come up duplicated.
>
>> Which means WHAT dork?
>
> It means I could not have deleted anything since both posts produce
> duplicate lines when sorted together. The only ones it fails to
> duplicate on sort are those of my own remarks and the poster I responded
> to.
>
> All of YOUR post that was attributed by both our posts remains as
> duplicate lines.
>
> Is this beyond your capacity to understand? Too complex a concept and
> operation?
>
> Try it some time. Take to similar, but slightly different documents.
> Copy and paste so they are in one document. Do a "first word in line"
> sort using Word Perfect or other wp software and you'll find what I did.
> Only those things added in one, or missing from one, will come up as
> single lines.
>
> All that are the same in both documents will produce, if there are two
> of them, two lines that are duplicates.
>
> There are a number of these kinds of techniques to do research and
> examination of documents. I'd share others with you, but I've a hunch
> you might abuse them to ....oh, let's say, "debate."
>
> The entire TEXT of the post was removed only the
>
>> headers left.
>
> Please link to my post where I removed all the text and left only the
> headers. If I did so, I'm prepared to apologize for my error, and even
> do so in advance, if it turns out to be true.
>
> I can't imagine why I would od such a thing, but possibly I made some
> argument based on header comparisons, and was not arguing to the text
> narrative at all.
>
> Would you be so kind as to give us a link to my post where I'm alleged
> to have done this so I might explain the reason for actions...if it
> turns out I did indeed do as you claim.
>
> > NICE TRY. BTW, I was sent almost 100 copies of that threat.
>
>> They all vary slightly since they go through several remailers.
>
> I'm not sure what "NICE TRY" is meant to convey. I've no reason to be
> deceptive. I'd rather get to the bottom of this and if I've erred
> apologize to you and explain my error or my reasons for the action I'm
> alleged to have taken.
>
> By the way, I don't use, nor have I ever, anonymous remailers. I'm
> familiar with them. I have used proxies on occasion, but they are kind
> of obvious. And don't really conceal the source. And I've done so to
> conceal my identity as Kane.
>
>>> If there are single lines with no mate (you must sort by 'first word in
>>> line") then that line was not in one of the posts.
>
>>> It's easy to see if it's relevant to the claim of those such as Ken.
>
>>> He lied to me and readers on this claim. I sorted and no such missing
>>> deleted text appeared in the mix of my post and the post I replied to.
>
>> You removed the ACTUAL TEXT
>
> Please provide a link to my post. I do not know where you are obtaining
> this pasted material from. If it's from a post of mine, let me have
> access by link, not copy and paste.
>
> Otherwise it begins to appear as though you are being deceptive for your
> own part.
>
>> AGAIN I RESTORE THE ENTIRE MESSAGE
>
> Link please. Clickable if you don't mind. My wrist is a bit sore from
> doing so much wood splitting. The weather is just terrible. I've had to
> run my generator over 7 hours already, and I don't post unless it's
> running, so I might not be able to respond as quickly as I'd like.
>
> Darn this wrist. Help me out here, thanks. 0:->
>
> Please continue.
>
>> ===========================================
>
>> -------- Original Message -------- From: - Sun Jan 14 09:08:32 2007
>> X-UIDL: 218014
>> X-Mozilla-Status: 1001
>> X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000
>> Return-Path: >
>> Received: from [62.149.203.80] (HELO tank.mixmaster.it) by
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>> From: Non scrivetemi >
>> Message: This is a Type II anonymous message, sent to you by the
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>> If you do not want to receive anonymous messages, please contact
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>> To:
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>> Cc:
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>> ith.info>
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>
>> NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
>> peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet
>> ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!===================\And what you REMOVED was THIS
>> TEXT:NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
>> peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet
>> ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I
>> have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu
>> are TRASHED in yet ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the post by Kane today in
>> ascps. Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the
>> aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the
>> post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP
>> me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHEgroup.I
>> WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a
>> group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED
>> in yet ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the post by Kane today in ascps.
>> Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken
>> link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!NOte the post by
>> Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by
>> posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHEgroup.I
>> WIN!!!!!!!!!!
>
> What portion of the above did I delete please? Or what is missing that I
> deleted?
>
> And link me to the actual message so I can see if it is mine, or if
> yours to my post where I'm supposed to have deleted text from.
>
> I see only ONE post of mine above YOURS first accusing me of deletion.
> And I used only MINE, and the poster I replied to for my duplication
> analysis. Where IS this post you refer to?
>
> To what post of mine is the poster referring, and who IS this poster above?
>
> By LINK please. Not by copy and paste, thank you.
>
> Ken, anyone can take another's post, or even someone else's, and make a
> claim about it, but without direct access to that post the claim is made
> about, no reader can be sure the claim is valid.
>
> Provide the link if you don't mind.
>
> And lest you 'forget to' again, I guess I'll have to go back and start
> counting the times I've made this request and you've ignored it.
>
> Ken, is it possible you make accusations to distract and misdirect
> readers? Would you not have some reservations about the honesty of
> others if they did that to you?
>
> I believe the subject is YOUR credibility in this thread at any given
> moment, but we seem to have spent a lot of bandwidth discussion an
> accusation about mine. Why is that I wonder?
>
> We can carry on such a discussion in another thread if that would help
> avoid confusion and any suspicion you might be deliberately throwing out
> accusations to take the focus and heat off your credibility.
>
> I prefer to stay on one topic per thread at a time if possible.
>
> Kane





>
> Personal insults and ranting removed.

No, Ken, YOUR removal was of all the proof needed to show that I indeed
had not deleted a single thing, now or in past posts.

And you removed a perfectly reasonable discussion of the issue, and
reasonable request to provide a LINK, or links, which you as yet still
have not done.

Why would you do that? Remove the proof, and the requests for links to
clear this issue up?

You could not only prove I deleted something, but enjoy my public
apology if you'd just provide the link, if you are correct. Now is that
not true?

Or do you consider this an insult and plan to delete it as well?

Kane

[0:->]

krp wrote:
> "0:->" > wrote in message
> news:1LWdnTf1_4oG0jDYnZ2dnUVZ_vXinZ2d@scnresearch. com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national DOJ list
>>>>>>> David Moore dodge:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I didn't appear in ascps until you did. Google archives confirm
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> someone else mentioned you and the fact that you have fake
>>>>>>>>> credentials.
>>>>>>> (It was Moore under one of his anonymous postings.)
>>>>>> Or you under one of yours.
>>>>> Ron it's over.
>>>> That is moore than obvious.
>>> Remember something when you are next tempted to get into a ****ing
>>> contest Kane, it's necessary to bring along a penis.
>> <yaaaaaawn>
>
> POST your proof or STFU.

Of what?

I've done so. It's your turn to show us a link that takes us to this
post of mine where I'm supposed to have deleted some of your text.

Any chance of ever seeing that link, Ken?

[0:->]

freedom wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007, " krp" > wrote:
>> "0:->" > wrote in message
>> news:Cu2dnagcXufRZDHYnZ2dnUVZ_tfinZ2d@scnresearch. com...
>>> krp wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national DOJ list
>>>>>> David Moore dodge:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I didn't appear in ascps until you did. Google archives confirm that
>>>>>>>> someone else mentioned you and the fact that you have fake
>>>>>>>> credentials.
>>>>>> (It was Moore under one of his anonymous postings.)
>>>>> Or you under one of yours.
>>>> Ron it's over.
>>> That is moore than obvious.
>> Remember something when you are next tempted to get into a ****ing contest
>> Kane, it's necessary to bring along a penis.
>
> Gotta love it, when Ken Pangborn receives an ass-kicking and follows it up
> with a declaration of victory. Fathers of America, don't you want this man
> representing you in court?

Brrrrrrrrr...please. I just had lunch.

0:->

>
> http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
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[0:->]

krp wrote:
> "0:->" > wrote in message
> news:1LWdnTf1_4oG0jDYnZ2dnUVZ_vXinZ2d@scnresearch. com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national DOJ list
>>>>>>> David Moore dodge:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I didn't appear in ascps until you did. Google archives confirm
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> someone else mentioned you and the fact that you have fake
>>>>>>>>> credentials.
>>>>>>> (It was Moore under one of his anonymous postings.)
>>>>>> Or you under one of yours.
>>>>> Ron it's over.
>>>> That is moore than obvious.
>>> Remember something when you are next tempted to get into a ****ing
>>> contest Kane, it's necessary to bring along a penis.
>> <yaaaaaawn>
>
> POST your proof or STFU.

The S T F U'S a bird
Without loss for a clever turned word

If you say you said "seek"
It's, "YOU CALLED ME A 'FREAK!'"

From his beak flow the lies on a turd.
2007, Kane

0:-]

[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
...

>>>>> That is moore than obvious.
>>>> Remember something when you are next tempted to get into a ****ing
>>>> contest Kane, it's necessary to bring along a penis.
>>> <yaaaaaawn>
>>
>> POST your proof or STFU.

> Of what?


Start with your PROOF that spanking makes children aggressive. Nit some
OP ED Parade Magazine opinion piece but in a recognized scientific journal
that is peer reviewed.

> I've done so.

That's pure horse ****. You made the original claim based on a OPINION
article in a NON professsional NON peer reviewed publication. It's HORSE
**** Kane! I refuted it with primaty sources IN peer reviewed publications.
Such as the Journal of Orthopsychology.

> It's your turn to show us a link that takes us to this post of mine where
> I'm supposed to have deleted some of your text.

LINK LINK LINK LINK LINK!!!! PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS Kane. Not
INTERNET BULL****!

I gave references to articles by Steinmetz etc. On it isn't a DAVID
MOORE website that YOU give vastly moore credit to because it has an
INTERNET LINK.... LINK LINK LINK LINK... Get off your fat ass and go to the
library Kane.

Gotta tell you Kane, I have dealth with asshole like you in court cases
(the lawyers have) who have tried to make the INTERNET BULL**** sail at a
trial. It doesn't work Kane.

You blew it on the spanking issue and the SAC dolls.


Now let me AGAIN Quote Dr. Neuman on your SAC doll BULL****.

Among Dr. Neuman's comments is the following outline:

The so-called "anatomically correct doll." widely used by social agencies
and police, are an anomaly, if not a menace, for a number of reasons:
1. They totally lack scientific validity -- There is not a shred of evidence
(in the scientific
literature) that the dolls are a valid means for obtaining the truth.
2. Psychologists in Europe and America did try for many years, but never
succeeded in
making dolls or their use into a reliable assessment approach.
3. The so-called "anatomically correct dolls." with their oversized and
conspicuous genital
parts, are definitely not "anatomically correct."
=======================
CHILDREN'S USE OF ANATOMICALY
DETAILED DOLLS TO REPORT GENITAL
TOUCHING IN A MEDICAL EXAMINATION:
DEVELOPMENTAL AND GENDER
COMPARISONS
By Steven Ceci
Cornell University.

Anatomically detailed dolls are frequently used by professionals when they
interview young children about suspected sexual abuse. It is thought that
the
dolls facilitate disclosure by providing props that help young children
describe
complex and embarrassing events as well as providing them with the
appropriate nonverbal cues to facilitate memory retrieval (Boat & Everson,
1988).
However, a number of recent studies have raised concerns about the use of
dolls in eliciting accurate information from young children. One area of
concern focuses on young children's difficulty with symbolic
representations.
Deloache and her colleagues have argued that because young children exhibit
general problems in symbol-referent relations, they therefore may have
difficulty in using dolls as symbols of self and others. Some of Deloache's
work
confirms this prediction. In these studies (Deloache, Anderson & Smith,
1995;
Deloache & Marzolf, 1995), a sticker was first placed on a child or on a
researcher, then the child was asked to use a doll to show where the sticker
was
placed. Children between the ages of 2.5 and 3.5 years made many errors when
they used a doll to show where the sticker was placed on their own body;
however, they were much more accurate when a sticker was placed on one doll
and they used another doll to show where it had been placed than when they
============================
I'm about to eat your lunch Sphinterboy. Tell me which subjkect do you
wish your ass kicked inn First? SAC Dolls or spanking?

UNLIKE YOU - I have GOOD PDF files of the journal articles. I don't have a
wallet full of EXCUSES.

[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
...
> freedom wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national DOJ list
>>>>>>> David Moore dodge:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I didn't appear in ascps until you did. Google archives confirm
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> someone else mentioned you and the fact that you have fake
>>>>>>>>> credentials.
>>>>>>> (It was Moore under one of his anonymous postings.)
>>>>>> Or you under one of yours.
>>>>> Ron it's over.
>>>> That is moore than obvious.
>>> Remember something when you are next tempted to get into a ****ing
>>> contest Kane, it's necessary to bring along a penis.
>>
>> Gotta love it, when Ken Pangborn receives an ass-kicking and follows it
>> up
>> with a declaration of victory. Fathers of America, don't you want this
>> man
>> representing you in court?


Where is your PROOF Kane? BTW, I just sent the Journal article to your arch
nemesis Greg. You know the guy you WHINE to that you CAN'T send him a PDF
file because on your computer PDF doesn't work and it's all busted etc etc
yada yada yada yada!

Others have requested it and I will send it to them as well.

I think it is HILARIOUS that you have allied yourself with David Moore.
And don't play your "LINKS" bull**** with me. I work with scientific
journals.
Such as in the article in Question:

Journal of Experimental Psychology: Applied
c 1999 American Psychological Association
March 1999, Vol 5. No. 1, 89 -106

NOT http:www.ravingidiotdavidmoore.com

[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
news:tZCdnRylpsMk8jDYnZ2dnUVZ_sSmnZ2d@scnresearch. com...

>> POST your proof or STFU.

> The S T F U'S a bird Without loss for a clever turned word
>
> If you say you said "seek"It's, "YOU CALLED ME A 'FREAK!'"
>
> From his beak flow the lies on a turd.

I see you remain full of excuses. My PDF is broke! My PDF is bad. Use
my LINK to a MANUFACTURER . . .
Kane you are more full of **** than A Christmas goose. You toss out an OP-ED
piece on spanking and believe it to the the be-all and end-all on the issue.
At best it was a "survey" berefcyt of ANY semblence of scientific method
to determine CAUSATION.

Debate not only demands support - it demands VALID support. It demands
using sources that actually SUPPORT what you say.

Now let me kick your ASS yet again on the SAC dolls... Beside that I CAN and
HAVE supplied actual PDF files of peer reviewed Journal articles (PLURAL
now) And SAY sonny boy, I can drop a bunch of them on your head. I can fill
several CD's with them BULL****TER!

Let me go to the case YOU strut as PROVING the validity and court acceptance
of the SAC dolls.

YOUR CITE: Ohio v. Boston 46 Ohio St. 3rd , 108 545 NE 2nd 1220

RULES OF EVIDENCE: Rule 702

The court commenting on your INFALLIBLE SAC DOLLS:

n8 We recognize that many professionals
criticize the use of SAC dolls in the diagnosis of
sexual abuse. They assert that there is no consistent
interview format associated with the use of SAC
dolls. Also, they claim that there is little or no
comparison data describing the response of nonabused
children to SAC dolls as compared to the
response of abused children. In this case, since Dr.
Lord had other evidence of the alleged abuse, we
need not decide whether an expert opinion based
only on the child's manipulation of SAC dolls is
reliable.

This you offer as PROOF thast the SAC dolls have been proven absolutely
reliable AN D accepted into evidence in a court. That AIN'T what it says
BUBBA! Not by a longshot!

First it reconizes that many (actually MOST) professionals criticoze the
use of the dolls, THEN it says that "we need NOT (emphasis mine) decide
whether an expert opinion based only on the child's manipulation of SAC
dolls is reliable."

Notice the word NOT there? Need I parse the word NOT for you Kane? Do
you know what NOT means?

[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>> SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY - MOORE'S ALLEGATIONS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national DOJ list
>>>> David Moore dodge:
>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't appear in ascps until you did. Google archives confirm that
>>>>>> someone else mentioned you and the fact that you have fake
>>>>>> credentials.
>>>> (It was Moore under one of his anonymous postings.)
>>
>>> Can you link us to that post please?
>>
>> Find it yourself do a google searcg under the word "bogus."
>
> Nope. I didn't claim I deleted part of your post. You did.
>
>>> I've not seen it. I saw only Greg, Moore, then Pangborn.
>>
>> It was one of his cowardly anonymous posts. He was doing the mission
>> "god" has called him to "warning" you about me!
>
> That is your claim. I have no proof one way or the other, nor is it the
> subject of you accusation of me that I, Kane, deleted something.
>
> I asked for a link.
>
> Am I going to see one?
>
> Have you looked at my evidence that you are wrong? My post, and the post I
> replied to?
>
> Did it not have the same material in it that you pasted here and claimed I
> deleted?
>>
>>> Are you suggesting Greg is Moore, or that you could not have responded
>>> to Greg's post here with an anonymous posting of your own?
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>> Refresh our memories.
>>
>>>> Do you have ANY ability KANE ANY at all to read a header?
>>
>>> Sure. Where does it show that I've snipped anything without notice (or
>>> with for that matter) as you accuse me of?
>>
>> When you quote my post and the TEXT of the message *I* quoted is
>> removed.. Guess why did it?
>
> "Guess why did it?"
>
> Clarify please.
>
> I didn't quote your post and remove anything. And I've posted proof I
> didn't. I posted another's post of your quote and interspersed my comments
> in amongst the words...which still all remained there, all correctly
> attributed to YOUR posted quote.
>
> Unless you were referring to some other post that quote you recently
> pasted up came from, I'm unable to clarify this any further for you.
>>
>>> My issue was that you accused me of deleting of text. I said I didn't. I
>>> accessed the post you were making the accusation concerning..my post,
>>> and the post I was replying to, which I fully attributed, as it turns
>>> out.
>>
>> Let me make this simple for you. When I make a post, and I quote verbatim
>> an e-mail I received from Mr. Moore and then you quote my post berating
>> me for what I said attacking me for "lying" and you removed the TEXT of
>> the Moore post I quoted what other conclusion can I make when that text
>> is ABSENT in YOUR quote???????
>
> But I had not addressed you until you claimed I had deleted the material.
>
> Show a link to the post or posts you are referring to.


I did better than post a LINK - I REPOSTED the quoted E-MAIL.. YOU keep
deleting it.

[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>>> In fact you comment is a smokescreen to cover that it's a perfect test
>>>>> and proves you have lied again.
>>>> HERE is the text you have now REMOVED several times:
>>
>>> No, I've not removed a thing. Please provide a link to that post of MINE
>>> where I leave out, deleted as you claim, the text below you have copied
>>> and pasted.
>>
>> AGAIN removed
>
> Yes, and as the last time, by you. Not I.
>
> My post is NOT represented fully here, Ken.

Your quote of MY post removed the TEXT of the message Moore sent me. You
didn't include it until I posed it numerous times.
Again, you create a smokescreen rather than address the issue that you are a
PERFECT FOIL for Moore. He rings the bell and you attack.
Like Doug Berry a totally Pavlovian response.

[0:->]

krp wrote:
> "0:->" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>>>>> That is moore than obvious.
>>>>> Remember something when you are next tempted to get into a ****ing
>>>>> contest Kane, it's necessary to bring along a penis.
>>>> <yaaaaaawn>
>>> POST your proof or STFU.
>
>> Of what?

To be able to avoid being caught at your lies you just, without note or
comment or indicator, snipped my full question, that related to your
claim I deleted some text....a charge I have successfully refuted and
you have not only refused to acknowledge but continue abort from any
replies even going so far as to claim I DID the abortion. Tsk, Ken, you
are just too easy to catch.


Here's what I said in my post prior to your reply above:

"Of what?

I've done so. It's your turn to show us a link that takes us to this
post of mine where I'm supposed to have deleted some of your text.

Any chance of ever seeing that link, Ken? "

You go on to ignore my request, thus compounding your lie, Ken.
>
> Start with your PROOF that spanking makes children aggressive.

I didn't make such a claim, and you are in the wrong thread, and
apparently, to further support your own lies you are now dodging by
doing this. This one is about your credibility and it's lack.

And your claim I deleted text, which I have not and expect your apology
for insisting I did while looking at the proof I provided.

Tell me, do you have to lie to your own self and maintain a delusion
rather than do the gentlemanly responsible thing and simply admit to an
error?

It's far more damaging to credibility to deny an error persistently than
to admit to one immediately upon being shown it. Evan a belated
acknowledgment now would lend you considerable clout. But you won't.

Errors are human. In fact being always right is impossible, and a sure
sign one is prone to thinking error.

> Nit some
> OP ED Parade Magazine opinion piece but in a recognized scientific journal
> that is peer reviewed.

The document I posted was published by a respected scientific
periodical, and its content drawn from and quoted came out of a well
known peer reviewed scientific journal. You are lying.

>
>> I've done so.
>
> That's pure horse ****. You made the original claim based on a OPINION
> article in a NON professsional NON peer reviewed publication.

You are lying again.

> It's HORSE
> **** Kane! I refuted it with primaty sources IN peer reviewed publications.
> Such as the Journal of Orthopsychology.

You did no such thing. Nothing addressed the article quoting the authors
of the study. Not one word.

>> It's your turn to show us a link that takes us to this post of mine where
>> I'm supposed to have deleted some of your text.
>
> LINK LINK LINK LINK LINK!!!! PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS Kane. Not
> INTERNET BULL****!

Mixing from another thread is lying to evade, Ken. Don't do it. It's way
to obvious a dodge.

I asked, staying in this thread, on this topic, to show the source by
accessible link to the post of mine where I am supposed to have deleted
some text.

You have not done so, and shouting and ranting and screaming and evading
isn't going to cover that you are lying and have been since the
start...when you were caught, I believe, in just a simple error.

You missed the presence of your own text, interspersed by my commentary,
because you are lazy, and you are stupid, and you are a liar whose
practice of lying has trained you to be sloppy.

Every word you posted and that appeared in the post I was responding to
was still there.

When I pointed this out to you, rather than admit your mistake you
instead compounded your error, showing you were either too sloppy or
stupid to see it, and continued to claim I was still deleting it...this
time from copies of my message that had both my comments and your
material mixed together.

You even deleted THAT yourself and claimed I did.

At that point, approximately, you compounded an error by you, into a lie
by you...and from that time to this, you have continued to compound your
lie.

This time by a blatant and rather stupid diversion by injecting another
subject from another thread...the article in International research on
spanking.

> I gave references to articles by Steinmetz etc. On it isn't a DAVID
> MOORE website that YOU give vastly moore credit to because it has an
> INTERNET LINK.... LINK LINK LINK LINK... Get off your fat ass and go to the
> library Kane.

You gave nothing. I posted the material. I expect any material you wish
considered you will post in return.

If you do not, there is not debate, and none possible.

Referring to sources not available immediately to both of us and to any
interested reader is unacceptable. I won't reply by trying to defend my
claim against missing source material you claim refutes me and it.

> Gotta tell you Kane, I have dealth with asshole like you in court cases
> (the lawyers have) who have tried to make the INTERNET BULL**** sail at a
> trial. It doesn't work Kane.

I doubt you ever won a single case that didn't fall into your lap
because someone was caught at lies larger than your own.
>
> You blew it on the spanking issue and the SAC dolls.

Now another subject?

Another evasion?

The subject here is your claim that I deleted text from a post of yours
attributed by another poster, inkspot. The fact is I deleted nothing and
only added to it...as is automatic when one comments while attributing
the correspondent fully -- exactly what I did.
>
>
> Now let me AGAIN Quote Dr. Neuman on your SAC doll BULL****.

I have no SAC doll argument with you. You were given more information by
Ron that in fact supported some of your claim...not all, of course.

You took it as being an attempt to rebut your claim. That would be only
partially true. I added little and care less.

The controversy is unsettled at this time, with both sides not bringing
enough research to the table to determine conclusively the validity of
doll based interviewing, or not.

>
> Among Dr. Neuman's comments is the following outline:
>
> The so-called "anatomically correct doll." widely used by social agencies
> and police, are an anomaly, if not a menace, for a number of reasons:
> 1. They totally lack scientific validity -- There is not a shred of evidence
> (in the scientific
> literature) that the dolls are a valid means for obtaining the truth.
> 2. Psychologists in Europe and America did try for many years, but never
> succeeded in
> making dolls or their use into a reliable assessment approach.
> 3. The so-called "anatomically correct dolls." with their oversized and
> conspicuous genital
> parts, are definitely not "anatomically correct."
> =======================
> CHILDREN'S USE OF ANATOMICALY
> DETAILED DOLLS TO REPORT GENITAL
> TOUCHING IN A MEDICAL EXAMINATION:
> DEVELOPMENTAL AND GENDER
> COMPARISONS
> By Steven Ceci
> Cornell University.
>
> Anatomically detailed dolls are frequently used by professionals when they
> interview young children about suspected sexual abuse. It is thought that
> the
> dolls facilitate disclosure by providing props that help young children
> describe
> complex and embarrassing events as well as providing them with the
> appropriate nonverbal cues to facilitate memory retrieval (Boat & Everson,
> 1988).
> However, a number of recent studies have raised concerns about the use of
> dolls in eliciting accurate information from young children. One area of
> concern focuses on young children's difficulty with symbolic
> representations.
> Deloache and her colleagues have argued that because young children exhibit
> general problems in symbol-referent relations, they therefore may have
> difficulty in using dolls as symbols of self and others. Some of Deloache's
> work
> confirms this prediction. In these studies (Deloache, Anderson & Smith,
> 1995;
> Deloache & Marzolf, 1995), a sticker was first placed on a child or on a
> researcher, then the child was asked to use a doll to show where the sticker
> was
> placed. Children between the ages of 2.5 and 3.5 years made many errors when
> they used a doll to show where the sticker was placed on their own body;
> however, they were much more accurate when a sticker was placed on one doll
> and they used another doll to show where it had been placed than when they
> ============================
> I'm about to eat your lunch Sphinterboy. Tell me which subjkect do you
> wish your ass kicked inn First? SAC Dolls or spanking?
>
> UNLIKE YOU - I have GOOD PDF files of the journal articles. I don't have a
> wallet full of EXCUSES.

I believe the above was supply by link to you by Ron. Is that not correct?

And as I said, I hold this to be an unresolved controversy. Some points
of reference for interview must come from sources other than simply
asking a question and getting an answer.

Children cannot understand many abstract intellectual ideas. And as in
other questioning of children props, models, and examples are used
routinely. Suddenly, because this one is about sex, it's invalidated, as
a concept?

Nope. There will have to be some kind of workable paradigm use to
question. Hell, even adults are afforded that kind of information to
help them better understand and then to better express their
understanding to a questioner.

Now that we have all your diversions commented on, I will make this very
clear to you.

I will no longer discuss in this thread anything that is not on the
subject we were discussing.

It was that you accused me of deleting your text without note, and
denying it, and continuing to delete it, when in fact I've proven that I
did no such thing. Not once.

YOU in fact did deletions of that very "missing" text that I recovered
for you an put right before your eyes on the monitor.

I can't guess, beyond my earlier speculation of you ass covering an
error, what your motivations might be.

You are, however, carrying it to serious extremes.

You would not last ten minutes in a courtroom with me, krp.

And you know it, so now it's all bluster and blowing smoke from you.

No one is fooled, except possibly you, by cultivation of the delusion
that you are clever, intelligent, and skilled at "argument."

You are none of those.

You don't understand this medium and I doubt you understand the courtroom.

I'd like to see your record. A list of the cases...not just the ones
that were won, but the ones that were lost as well.

Your failure to provide this simple request, after attacking MY
credibility falsely would indicate you are a bag of wind with no wins to
your credit whatsoever.

Your blow hard references to any can be considered lies until you prove
otherwise.

I base that on the proof of you lying on every single subject thread you
have injected yourself into here.

Kane

[0:->]

krp wrote:
> "0:->" > wrote in message
> ...
>> freedom wrote:
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national DOJ list
>>>>>>>> David Moore dodge:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I didn't appear in ascps until you did. Google archives confirm
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> someone else mentioned you and the fact that you have fake
>>>>>>>>>> credentials.
>>>>>>>> (It was Moore under one of his anonymous postings.)
>>>>>>> Or you under one of yours.
>>>>>> Ron it's over.
>>>>> That is moore than obvious.
>>>> Remember something when you are next tempted to get into a ****ing
>>>> contest Kane, it's necessary to bring along a penis.
>>> Gotta love it, when Ken Pangborn receives an ass-kicking and follows it
>>> up
>>> with a declaration of victory. Fathers of America, don't you want this
>>> man
>>> representing you in court?
>
>
> Where is your PROOF Kane?

Of what? My subject, and yours, was your accusation that I deleted text.
This isn't about that.

I didn't change the subject.

> BTW, I just sent the Journal article to your arch
> nemesis Greg.

What Journal article?

> You know the guy you WHINE to that you CAN'T send him a PDF
> file

I don't recall him asking me for one.

> because on your computer PDF doesn't work and it's all busted etc etc

"computer PDF?"

It software used by a scanner to create a document that Acrobat creates
a PDF file from. It's common for poor copy that will not scan clearly
enough for OCR to convert to readable text to cause Acrobat to turn out
a on-readable...and error commented PDF file.

Ask anyone that does it regularly. As I do.

> yada yada yada yada!

Meaning you are lying again? Or that you can't remember what I said to
who about what?

>
> Others have requested it and I will send it to them as well.
>

Requested what?

> I think it is HILARIOUS that you have allied yourself with David Moore.

In fact I refused to take his posting as proof of what you are. I simply
looked at the sources he referred to, found enough that was as he
claimed, to motivate me to play with you and see if you would continue
to do the same kind of thing.

You are consistent. 0:-]

It seems I'll have to admit to Moore that his claims appear founded
based on evidence he provided PLUS what you have provided in these
threads on these newsgroups since you came here at Greg's
invitation...something else you lied about.

> And don't play your "LINKS" bull**** with me. I work with scientific
> journals.

You do? Which ones? And what work do you do with them?

> Such as in the article in Question:

It wasn't in question by me.

>
> Journal of Experimental Psychology: Applied
> c 1999 American Psychological Association
> March 1999, Vol 5. No. 1, 89 -106

What relevance to our discussion in this thread is this to your claim,
you accusation, that I deleted text from a post of yours?

I posted the proof I have not. You deleted my proof a number of times,
now you have changed the subject, twice I believe, and seem to be
refusing to complete the argument on whether or not I deleted your text.

All of the above not on that topic is superfluous to me, Ken.

Fit for other threads, or new ones, if you like, but does not resolve
your accusation and your error, or possibly lie.

What text did I delete?

Show the original actual post where I'm alleged to have done this
deletion, and provide a link to it. Feel free to quote it fully (no
snips please), and do not remove my comments ... these ... from any
reply to this post.

I have shown you in the post in question that you have yourself
referenced once, that the words are all still there.

Possibly you have erred?

Thank you.

Kane



>
> NOT http:www.ravingidiotdavidmoore.com

[0:->]

krp wrote:
> "0:->" > wrote in message
> news:tZCdnRylpsMk8jDYnZ2dnUVZ_sSmnZ2d@scnresearch. com...
>
>>> POST your proof or STFU.
>
>> The S T F U'S a bird Without loss for a clever turned word
>>
>> If you say you said "seek"It's, "YOU CALLED ME A 'FREAK!'"
>>
>> From his beak flow the lies on a turd.
>
> I see you remain full of excuses.

I posted the proof that I had not deleted a single word of your post.

You, in fact, and I thank you, did finally quote yourself, and the
material you gave to us I showed still existing in my original post and
in the post I was replying to from inkspot.

> My PDF is broke! My PDF is bad.

No, Acrobat worked just fine. I simply couldn't produce a readable PDF
file from the poor production of the OCR caused by the old "courier"
copy machine hard copy I was working with.

Nothing unusual in that.

> Use
> my LINK to a MANUFACTURER . . .

I'm not sure what you are suggesting or why.

> Kane you are more full of **** than A Christmas goose. You toss out an OP-ED
> piece on spanking

You don't even know what an op-ed piece is?

It means the right hand page in the editorial section of a newspaper,
where the opinions of others, often the general public, are displayed by
the paper.

I posted an article from a respected scientific periodical which was
reporting, by quoting and abstracting, the report from the research
results of an international group of academics...respected researchers
all, stating their findings from a five or six nation study on spanking
practices.

> and believe it to the the be-all and end-all on the issue.

Actually as it actually appeared, and was peer reviewed, it carries
considerable weight...at least enough to have a discussion and debate.

Hopefully with some counter arguments of at least as good a quality as
itself. I see nothing from you that offers that.

Do you have a similar article you'd like to quote? A current piece of
research on spanking practices in and from different countries?

The subject was, in case you lost track, a claim that spanking ... and I
emphasis ... LEADS TO aggression in children even where spanking is an
accepted cultural practice.

Ken, I'm curious. Did you actually read the article I posted?

> At best it was a "survey" berefcyt of ANY semblence of scientific method
> to determine CAUSATION.

Surveys are valid research tools in social science.

You don't know what their 'method' was unless you have a copy of the
original publication. I doubt you do. So your judgment is not valid.

And Ken, we have established, I by pointing it out, and you by
concurring to someone else in another post, that social science
research, and more especially with children, cannot be the rigorous
destruction of the sample for forensic examination, that the medical
model entails.

All social science research with humans (and a great deal with animals
these days) is limited to a level that can make only correlation
connections.

It's valid research. It's useful to expand our knowledge on the subject
of learning, and it's accepted by the entire social science community,
including that part that goes over into medicine, psychiatry.

If you reject it on the basis it's not "causal" then you are in a rather
isolated position common to the lay public, but not to science.
>
> Debate not only demands support - it demands VALID support. It demands
> using sources that actually SUPPORT what you say.

Are you suggesting that the source I provided is not valid?

You haven't even stayed in the thread this belongs in.

And you have departed from, even changing the subject field title a bit,
the actual subject we have not resolved: your claim, accusation, that I
deleted text you had placed in a post that was quoted by inkspot that I
commented on.

Where is this post of mine that shows missing text of yours?

If you wish to discuss the International study on cross cultural views
and practices on spanking and the conclusions, correlative, that indeed
spanking appears to LEAD TO aggression in children, don't you think we
should be in the thread, at least, where that was the discussion?

The point might get lost <chuckle> if we leave all the prior discussion
behind somewhere else.

You wouldn't want to do that, now would you?
>
> Now let me kick your ASS yet again on the SAC dolls... Beside that I CAN and
> HAVE supplied actual PDF files of peer reviewed Journal articles (PLURAL
> now) And SAY sonny boy, I can drop a bunch of them on your head. I can fill
> several CD's with them BULL****TER!

You are free to believe whatever you wish. My review of the available
comments, claims, conflicts, findings, and arguments on SAC doll use
leaves me believing that it's an unresolved issue for the field of child
sexual abuse investigation.

I simply don't have a dog in your fight as you present it.

I am not arguing one way or the other as to their use. And it's off
topic to our discussion in any case.

> Let me go to the case YOU strut as PROVING the validity and court acceptance
> of the SAC dolls.

I don't recall citing any case at all.

> YOUR CITE: Ohio v. Boston 46 Ohio St. 3rd , 108 545 NE 2nd 1220
>
> RULES OF EVIDENCE: Rule 702
>
> The court commenting on your INFALLIBLE SAC DOLLS:
>
> n8 We recognize that many professionals
> criticize the use of SAC dolls in the diagnosis of
> sexual abuse. They assert that there is no consistent
> interview format associated with the use of SAC
> dolls. Also, they claim that there is little or no
> comparison data describing the response of nonabused
> children to SAC dolls as compared to the
> response of abused children. In this case, since Dr.
> Lord had other evidence of the alleged abuse, we
> need not decide whether an expert opinion based
> only on the child's manipulation of SAC dolls is
> reliable.
>
> This you offer as PROOF thast the SAC dolls have been proven absolutely
> reliable AN D accepted into evidence in a court. That AIN'T what it says
> BUBBA! Not by a longshot!

That's not my argument. You seem extraordinarily creative today.

> First it reconizes that many (actually MOST) professionals criticoze the
> use of the dolls, THEN it says that "we need NOT (emphasis mine) decide
> whether an expert opinion based only on the child's manipulation of SAC
> dolls is reliable."

Many times the entire professional field in some discipline is shown to
have been wrong. Try physics, for instance.

Your argument on that basis does not hold water.

> Notice the word NOT there? Need I parse the word NOT for you Kane? Do
> you know what NOT means?

You might start with explaining the significance.

This thread is not about either SAC dolls or International studies on
spanking.

The last subject here, with me, was in fact that you had claimed I
deleted text from a post of yours.

I've proven I haven't.

Last I saw, unless I missed a post of yours to this thread, you had not
acknowledged my proof, the evidence being your own words in that very
post of mine, and appear to be dancing away from that proof as fast as
you can by bringing up as many other things as possible, in a flurry of
screeching and ranting.

Would you please resolve the issue of my being accused by you of
deletion of text?

Thanks, Kane

[0:->]

krp wrote:
> "0:->" > wrote in message
> ...
>>>>>>>> SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY - MOORE'S ALLEGATIONS
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national DOJ list
>>>>> David Moore dodge:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't appear in ascps until you did. Google archives confirm that
>>>>>>> someone else mentioned you and the fact that you have fake
>>>>>>> credentials.
>>>>> (It was Moore under one of his anonymous postings.)
>>>> Can you link us to that post please?
>>> Find it yourself do a google searcg under the word "bogus."
>> Nope. I didn't claim I deleted part of your post. You did.
>>
>>>> I've not seen it. I saw only Greg, Moore, then Pangborn.
>>> It was one of his cowardly anonymous posts. He was doing the mission
>>> "god" has called him to "warning" you about me!
>> That is your claim. I have no proof one way or the other, nor is it the
>> subject of you accusation of me that I, Kane, deleted something.
>>
>> I asked for a link.
>>
>> Am I going to see one?
>>
>> Have you looked at my evidence that you are wrong? My post, and the post I
>> replied to?
>>
>> Did it not have the same material in it that you pasted here and claimed I
>> deleted?
>>>> Are you suggesting Greg is Moore, or that you could not have responded
>>>> to Greg's post here with an anonymous posting of your own?
>>> Nope.
>>>
>>>> Refresh our memories.
>>>>> Do you have ANY ability KANE ANY at all to read a header?
>>>> Sure. Where does it show that I've snipped anything without notice (or
>>>> with for that matter) as you accuse me of?
>>> When you quote my post and the TEXT of the message *I* quoted is
>>> removed.. Guess why did it?
>> "Guess why did it?"
>>
>> Clarify please.
>>
>> I didn't quote your post and remove anything. And I've posted proof I
>> didn't. I posted another's post of your quote and interspersed my comments
>> in amongst the words...which still all remained there, all correctly
>> attributed to YOUR posted quote.
>>
>> Unless you were referring to some other post that quote you recently
>> pasted up came from, I'm unable to clarify this any further for you.
>>>> My issue was that you accused me of deleting of text. I said I didn't. I
>>>> accessed the post you were making the accusation concerning..my post,
>>>> and the post I was replying to, which I fully attributed, as it turns
>>>> out.
>>> Let me make this simple for you. When I make a post, and I quote verbatim
>>> an e-mail I received from Mr. Moore and then you quote my post berating
>>> me for what I said attacking me for "lying" and you removed the TEXT of
>>> the Moore post I quoted what other conclusion can I make when that text
>>> is ABSENT in YOUR quote???????
>> But I had not addressed you until you claimed I had deleted the material.
>>
>> Show a link to the post or posts you are referring to.
>
>
> I did better than post a LINK - I REPOSTED the quoted E-MAIL.. YOU keep
> deleting it.

No, actually you do in reply. I quoted it fully. Your replies lack it.
And you do not acknowledge with a ".....snip....." that you did so,
though I did see a single attempt to hide that you had by claiming you
were snipping "ad hom" that of course did not exist.

You snipped my proof that I had indeed not removed your text, but simply
added to it, leaving your text correctly attributed by the standard
marks ">" in their correct place.

I'll put it here again. Note only is it the post in question, but if you
read it you will find I not only didn't remove the text you claim I did,
but in fact I quoted you in reply IN THIS VERY POST.

In other words I SAW your words, I left your words, and I even repeated
your words by asking you what certain words meant and quoted them even
in your typographical errors.

Ken, you have lied, and you have been caught. How much longer are you
going to make a fool of yourself when you have a chance to salvage at
least a bit of credibility (the subject here) by simply admitting you
erred when you accused me?

Please do not delete this again.. as I've said I've lodged copies with
others. They can attest to it's existence:

krp wrote:
> "Dan Sullivan" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
>
>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the national DOJ
>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>> Ron and Kane firmly affixed their credibility to Moore and 100% of
>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>> allegations about me. They float or sink on the accuracy of
Moore's
>>>>>>>> claims.
>>>>>>> KRP, Greg Hanson suckered you into asCPS to take some of the
focus off of
>>>>>>> him.
>
>>>>>> No Greg had nothing to do with it. I was dragged in here
because of
>>>>>> faked message about me and my credentials.
>
>>>>>>> And you've fallen for his ploy to the max!
>>>>>> I have not fallen for anyone's ploy. Gregs or anyone else.
>>>>> Come on, Ken, you HAVE to be better at investigationg than this!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg had nothing to do with it????
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg started raising your name on this ng on Dec 11,2006.
>>>>>
>>>>> Something along the lines of fake credentials, fake diplomas... you
>>>>> know... the usual.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then on Dec 18th someone crossposts to asCPS with "I can clear this
>>>>> up," which is all about you.
>>>>>
>>>>> The guy's third post gets renamed "Greg???"
>>>>>
>>>>> Because he's looking for Greg to support his claims.
>
>>>>> THEN you respond, just the way Greg hoped you would.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you've fallen for Greg's ploy and been suckered into asCPS.
>>>>>
>>>>> How's it feel?
>>>>> You can beat CPS up and down the street, but a horse's ass like
Greg can
>>>>> play you like a two dollar violin???
>
>>> Dan - he's not playing me.
>
>> That's not what the evidence demonstrates.
>
> Apparently you are seeing what you want to see.
>
>
>>> Only Ron and Kane are trying to. It isn't
>>> working and that is driving the pair bat****.
>
>> You're ****ing up a very long rope, Ken.
>
> Well, the two ARE hard cases, I admit. BUT they are also
IDIOTS............. Look at what I got from Mr.. Moore today:
>
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And the significance of the post with this header would be?

for all we know it was a birthday salutation of good wishes, and many
more years of flatulence. R R RRRRR

You seem to be losing it, Ken.

> NOte the post by Kane today in ascps.

Okay. I've noted all my posts. Relevance to your apparent claim your
credibility is still intact? I can't find it. Maybe you can point to my
post that makes some connection.

> Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the
aboutken link.

How do they do this helping, precisely?

> Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHERgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!

"Yopu,"[sic] as in 'Dan Sullivan,' who you appear to be posting a reply to?

What did you win, and can I have some too?

Please explain.

Thanks, Kane
...................end of the original post where I'm alleged to have
deleted Ken's text...................



Notice, Ken that I am responding to the words from your post that I'm
supposed to have deleted?

Have you anything to say to redeem your error?

In a later post, after your accusation, you finally did post the
paragraph I am supposed to have deleted.

Every single word in that paragraph exists above.
.....and I repeat for you below so that you can see them without my
comments....:

"
> NOte the post by Kane today in ascps.
> Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the
aboutken link.
> Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHERgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!
"

Is that what I was supposed to have deleted Ken?

You say so in another post.

How is it those very words are actually in my post?

They can't be present and deleted at the same time.

Please explain how this can be, or acknowledge your error and at the
very least apologize for all this nonsense you've indulged in.

Thanks, Kane

[0:->]

krp wrote:
> "0:->" > wrote in message
> ...
>>>>>> In fact you comment is a smokescreen to cover that it's a perfect test
>>>>>> and proves you have lied again.
>>>>> HERE is the text you have now REMOVED several times:
>>>> No, I've not removed a thing. Please provide a link to that post of MINE
>>>> where I leave out, deleted as you claim, the text below you have copied
>>>> and pasted.
>>> AGAIN removed
>> Yes, and as the last time, by you. Not I.
>>
>> My post is NOT represented fully here, Ken.
>
> Your quote of MY post removed the TEXT of the message Moore sent me. You
> didn't include it until I posed it numerous times.

No, it was in my original post, Ken.

I've quoted it again and again, and I've asked you to post a link to
that message to determine if we are referring to the same one, and to
show you that indeed your words are all included.

> Again, you create a smokescreen rather than address the issue that you are a
> PERFECT FOIL for Moore.

That is not the subject under consideration at the moment. Since I have
not deleted your text, it cannot be anything...not a smokescreen for
anything, but simply YOUR error and possibly YOUR smokescreen to cover
that I've told you openly here that I did not accept Moore at his word
but instead examined his sources and watch you here.

The latter is my main source of believing you are not credible. Your
behavior here in these newsgroups, not Moore's posts.

> He rings the bell and you attack.
> Like Doug Berry a totally Pavlovian response.

I don't know Doug Berry, and as far as I know the Pavlov dogs did not go
and find their own supper.

I have found you to be, in these newsgroups, a liar, a cheat, a dodger
of facts.

I've seen you manipulate other's statements, outright lie about what
they provided and you are lying now about my post.

In a prior message a few minutes ago I once again posted what you
deleted, my proof by way of my entire original post you made the
accusation about...and damn if you won't delete it again, Ken.

Stop deleting my quoted post in my replies to you on this and you will
see, as do others, that you were mistaken. Every word from your post is
there.

Kane



>
>
>
>

[0:->]

freedom wrote:
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>
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, " krp" > wrote:
>> "0:->" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>>>>> That is moore than obvious.
>
> This line was extremely funny btw...and for "moore" reasons than Ken knows.
>
>>> It's your turn to show us a link that takes us to this post of mine where
>>> I'm supposed to have deleted some of your text.
>> LINK LINK LINK LINK LINK!!!! PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS Kane. Not
>> INTERNET BULL****!
>
> Ok, I'll bite. Which "scientific journal" will have the details about Kane
> supposedly deleting text from one of your posts?
>
> "Palm Harbor Schizophrenic Weekly"?

RRRRR R R RR R RRR R R R ...oh, good'un.


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[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
news:ycmdnQiX5OWozTPYnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@scnresearch. com...

>> Where is your PROOF Kane?

> Of what? My subject, and yours, was your accusation that I deleted text.
> This isn't about that.

On ANY of it.

> I didn't change the subject.

Yeah, you did. Start with SAC Dolls, or Spanking, or the removed text
take your pick. I had to post that quoted e-mails several times before you
addressed it and tried to lose it in your brown fog. It merely said that
Moore has you dancking like an organ grinder's monkey.

> > BTW, I just sent the Journal article to your arch nemesis Greg.

> What Journal article?

To start with one on the SAC dolls. The one by Dr. Steven Ceci. You see
Kane, it is from a REAL peer reviewed Jorunal NOT your PARADE MAGAZINE.

>> You know the guy you WHINE to that you CAN'T send him a PDF file

> I don't recall him asking me for one.

It's back a ways in the archives and you had a longm laundry list of
excused why you couldn't send it because it was "bad" or something to that
effect.

>> because on your computer PDF doesn't work and it's all busted etc etc

> "computer PDF?"

You DO know what a PDF file is, right? Do you have a mor recent copy of
Acrobat newer than verson 1.5?

> It software used by a scanner to create a document that Acrobat creates a
> PDF file from. It's common for poor copy that will not scan clearly enough
> for OCR to convert to readable text to cause Acrobat to turn out a
> on-readable...and error commented PDF file.


BULL****!!! Yopu are so TOTALLY full of **** Kane! COMPLETELY! You can
scan the pages as a JPEG and import them into Acrobat. Jesus man what a
bunch of LAME excuses. THis is worse than "the dog ate my homework" hore
manure kids use.

Here's a clue. Trade in your old Atari computer on a current model. Get
rid of that old Bell fax scanner and get something good from HP. Get a newer
version of Adoble than 1.5!

> Ask anyone that does it regularly. As I do.

Kane I have scanned literally hundreds of documents into PDF files. I
have NO problems with them. I get many Journal articles from the authors
themselves as text files, most frequently WORD... It is a simple one step
process to convert them into a PDF. Just select print and then select PDF
and tell it where you want the file on your system. You DO have a hard drive
don't you? Orf are you still using 8 inch floppies?

>> yada yada yada yada!

> Meaning you are lying again? Or that you can't remember what I said to
> who about what?

No Kane your problem is that I DO.

>> Others have requested it and I will send it to them as well.

> Requested what?

The PDF file on the SAC dolls by Dr. Ceci of Cornell university Actual
REAL research NOT a STGUPID SGTUPID STUP{ID op-ed opinion piece in a NON
professional publication (newspaper).

>> I think it is HILARIOUS that you have allied yourself with David
>> Moore.

> In fact I refused to take his posting as proof of what you are. I simply
> looked at the sources he referred to, found enough that was as he claimed,
> to motivate me to play with you and see if you would continue to do the
> same kind of thing.

Bull**** if Moore takes a sharp corner, the concussion of your nose
popping out of his ass would break windows in 17 states.

> You are consistent. 0:-]

> It seems I'll have to admit to Moore that his claims appear founded based
> on evidence he provided PLUS what you have provided in these threads on
> these newsgroups since you came here at Greg's invitation...something else
> you lied about.

Tell me have youn had a LONG conversation with Will Rainey? How about a
chat with Richard Holkade about me backing up Moore?

>> And don't play your "LINKS" bull**** with me. I work with scientific
journals.

> You do? Which ones? And what work do you do with them?

I USE them DORK! Such as the examples I gave this morning.

>> Such as in the article in Question:

> It wasn't in question by me.

Kane - - - you made FALSZE claims that the SAC dolls ARE "scientific"
and ARE accepted by courts. You TRIED to claim an Ohio case, "Ohio v.
Boston" was a case where the SAC Dolls were admitted into evidence. In FACT
it says the opposite.


>> Journal of Experimental Psychology: Applied
>> c 1999 American Psychological Association
>> March 1999, Vol 5. No. 1, 89 -106

> What relevance to our discussion in this thread is this to your claim,
> you accusation, that I deleted text from a post of yours?

Change the subject from the SAC DOLLS now and CONFUSE IT.. HURRY HURRY
KANE! HURRY! BROWN FOG IT!

> I posted the proof I have not. You deleted my proof a number of times, now
> you have changed the subject, twice I believe, and seem to be refusing to
> complete the argument on whether or not I deleted your text.

Proof of what? Spanking? SAC DOolls? The e-mail I posted?

> All of the above not on that topic is superfluous to me, Ken.

Yeah the truth seems to be irrelevant to you.

> What text did I delete?

The Text where Moore represented to me he has you dancing like a monkey
doing his dirty work for him.

> Show the original actual post where I'm alleged to have done this
> deletion, and provide a link to it. Feel free to quote it fully (no snips
> please), and do not remove my comments ... these ... from any reply to
> this post.

We've gone over this. I posted several times - MOORE'S email to me, and
your response to one where you quoted the headers without the text that the
message contained to the effect you were his private dancing monkey doing
his dirty work against me for him. He LOVES to gloat to me about his willing
stooges like you. He can find MORONS like you at the drop of a hat Kane. He
has a few in the Atheism group. All he needs to do is post one of his
signature Hitler and ovens forgeries and they BARK on command JUST LIKE YOU!
He can forge anyone and they OBEY just as YOU DO! He makes anonymous
listings to Freecycle offering all kinds of crap and MORONS show up at my
door. Why do I say MORONS? Gotta ask you, (waste of time) do you think
that anyone would offer a 2005 Lamborghini for FREE in Freecycle? A Corvette
convertible? How about a Centennial edition Harley Davidson motorcycle? Yes
YOU would Kane, YOU'D be dumb enough to show up at my door expecting to find
that $2.5 million dollar car for FREE! I bet you'd be one of the ****ed
ones that would be angry because I don't have one for you. Kane the more
you yap the more I lower my estimate of your IQ. You're already in the low
teens and dropping fast to negative territory.

[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
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>>>>>>> That is moore than obvious.
>>>>>> Remember something when you are next tempted to get into a ****ing
>>>>>> contest Kane, it's necessary to bring along a penis.
>>>>> <yaaaaaawn>
>>>> POST your proof or STFU.
>>
>>> Of what?

> To be able to avoid being caught at your lies you just, without note or
> comment or indicator, snipped my full question, that related to your claim
> I deleted some text....a charge I have successfully refuted and you have
> not only refused to acknowledge but continue abort from any replies even
> going so far as to claim I DID the abortion. Tsk, Ken, you are just too
> easy to catch.

I proved you deleted the text in my taking you to task for it. I quoted
the FULL text of what I quoted from Moroe and then the full text of your
SNIPPED quote of mine with the message text removed. END OF STORY.

> Here's what I said in my post prior to your reply above:

> "Of what?
>
> I've done so. It's your turn to show us a link that takes us to this post
> of mine where I'm supposed to have deleted some of your text.

> Any chance of ever seeing that link, Ken? "

NO Kane there isn't. I am not an LP record you can keep spinning back to the
brown fog you created. It is simple. I quoted with FULL HEADERS an e-mail
sent to me with him boasting about playing you and having you do his dirty
work. You then quoted my post but removed ALL the Moore text and now you
have engaged in this.

The POINT WAS and IS that Moore bragged to me about manipulating you and
Ron. YOU need to make it something else. You are nothing but a little
mindless marionette!

[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
...


>>>>>>>>> SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY - MOORE'S ALLEGATIONS
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national DOJ list

No listing with DOJ, NO listing with ANY state EVER!

>>> Have you looked at my evidence that you are wrong? My post, and the post
>>> I replied to?
>
>>> Did it not have the same material in it that you pasted here and claimed
>>> I deleted?

You did delete Moore's text and have several times.


>>>> Let me make this simple for you. When I make a post, and I quote
>>>> verbatim an e-mail I received from Mr. Moore and then you quote my post
>>>> berating me for what I said attacking me for "lying" and you removed
>>>> the TEXT of the Moore post I quoted what other conclusion can I make
>>>> when that text is ABSENT in YOUR quote???????

>>> But I had not addressed you until you claimed I had deleted the
>>> material.

You responded to me quoting the HEADERS, absent Moore's text and challenegd
me to show its relavence. What it was suppsoed to prove. What it proves, is
that Moore believes ytou are a MORON, and he's right!

>>> Show a link to the post or posts you are referring to.
>>
>>
>> I did better than post a LINK - I REPOSTED the quoted E-MAIL.. YOU keep
>> deleting it.
>
> No, actually you do in reply. I quoted it fully. Your replies lack it. And
> you do not acknowledge with a ".....snip....." that you did so, though I
> did see a single attempt to hide that you had by claiming you were
> snipping "ad hom" that of course did not exist.

No Kane you only quoted the headers at first and snipped the actual text
where Moore claims he has you doing his dirty work for him. I can understand
that you'd not want the world to be reminded that you are a mere mindless
marionette for David Moore doing his bidding like one of Pavlov's dogs,

> Ken, you have lied, and you have been caught. How much longer are you
> going to make a fool of yourself when you have a chance to salvage at
> least a bit of credibility (the subject here) by simply admitting you
> erred when you accused me?
>
> Please do not delete this again.. as I've said I've lodged copies with
> others. They can attest to it's existence:

Kane you are the proven liar here. You have been nailed on the spanking
thread, on the SAC dolls and the one on the snipping.

[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
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>> Your quote of MY post removed the TEXT of the message Moore sent me. You
>> didn't include it until I posed it numerous times.

> No, it was in my original post, Ken.

No Kane in your rteply to me ONLY the headers were quoted NOT the actual
moore text!

> I've quoted it again and again, and I've asked you to post a link to that
> message to determine if we are referring to the same one, and to show you
> that indeed your words are all included.
>
>> Again, you create a smokescreen rather than address the issue that you
>> are a PERFECT FOIL for Moore.
>
> That is not the subject under consideration at the moment. Since I have
> not deleted your text, it cannot be anything...not a smokescreen for
> anything, but simply YOUR error and possibly YOUR smokescreen to cover
> that I've told you openly here that I did not accept Moore at his word but
> instead examined his sources and watch you here.

Fine pick a single subject. Want to try to revisit the SAC dolls? I bet NOT!
How about spanking? I bet not.

[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
...
> freedom wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, " krp" > wrote:
>>> "0:->" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>>>>> That is moore than obvious.
>>
>> This line was extremely funny btw...and for "moore" reasons than Ken
>> knows.
>>
>>>> It's your turn to show us a link that takes us to this post of mine
>>>> where I'm supposed to have deleted some of your text.
>>> LINK LINK LINK LINK LINK!!!! PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS Kane.
>>> Not INTERNET BULL****!
>>
>> Ok, I'll bite. Which "scientific journal" will have the details about
>> Kane
>> supposedly deleting text from one of your posts?
>>
>> "Palm Harbor Schizophrenic Weekly"?
>
> RRRRR R R RR R RRR R R R ...oh, good'un.

Man - Moore has you well trained doggie!

[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
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>>>> POST your proof or STFU.
>>
>>> The S T F U'S a bird Without loss for a clever turned word
>
>>> If you say you said "seek"It's, "YOU CALLED ME A 'FREAK!'"

>>> From his beak flow the lies on a turd.

>> I see you remain full of excuses.

> I posted the proof that I had not deleted a single word of your post.

Subject changed from the SAC DOLLS to message snipping AGAIN BROWN FOG
PATROL ALERTED!

> You, in fact, and I thank you, did finally quote yourself, and the
> material you gave to us I showed still existing in my original post and
> in the post I was replying >to from inkspot.
>
> > My PDF is broke! My PDF is bad.

> No, Acrobat worked just fine. I simply couldn't produce a readable PDF
> file from the poor production of the OCR caused by the old "courier" copy
> machine hard copy I was working with.

BULL**** EXCUSE!! WHINING LITTE CRY BABY EXCUSE.

> Nothing unusual in that.

Sure there is unless youa re using an Atari computer with dual 8 inch
floppies, a prhistoric Bell scanner-fax and Acrobat version 1.5. Most OCR
software TODAY has better than 95% accuracy. BUT , Kane with your BULL****,
you don't even have to use OCR, you can scan the pages as JEPEGS and fold
them into a PDF as well. STOP THE BULL**** EXCUSES!

>> Use my LINK to a MANUFACTURER . . .

> I'm not sure what you are suggesting or why.

YOU tried to use two links to a MANUFACTURER of SAC dolls to "prove"
your claims,of their "scientific reliabiity" which EVEN IF they made that
argument it would be in the best light "self serving" it's like believing
Phillip Morris's claims that its cigarettes are GOOD for you. The fact is
that the site made NO such claim. THEN yopu had the balls to TRY to use the
case law decision Ohio V. Boston to PROVE that the SAC DOLLS are routinely
accepted as "scientific evidence' when that cas actually says the OPPOSITE!

>> Kane you are more full of **** than A Christmas goose. You toss out an
>> OP-ED piece on spanking

> You don't even know what an op-ed piece is?

It is an OPINION piece that generally appears opposite the editorial
page, mot necessarily in response to the current content of that page. It's
an OPINION by some learned person. In most general area publications, it may
be a General, a Doctor, or other learned individual with an OPINION.

> It means the right hand page in the editorial section of a newspaper,
> where the opinions of others, often the general public, are displayed by
> the paper.

Newspaper or magazine, and often learned people but are OPINIONS.

> I posted an article from a respected scientific periodical which was
> reporting, by quoting and abstracting, the report from the research
> results of an international group of academics...respected researchers
> all, stating their findings from a five or six nation study on spanking
> practices.

Parade Magazine? What JOURNAL?

>> and believe it to the the be-all and end-all on the issue.

> Actually as it actually appeared, and was peer reviewed, it carries
> considerable weight...at least enough to have a discussion and debate.

No it was NOT "peer rievewed" it was a "SURVEY" of OPINIONS. That is NOT
scientific or PEER REVIEWED.

> Hopefully with some counter arguments of at least as good a quality as
> itself. I see nothing from you that offers that.

> Do you have a similar article you'd like to quote? A current piece of
> research on spanking practices in and from different countries?

I actually HAVE.

> The subject was, in case you lost track, a claim that spanking ... and I
> emphasis ... LEADS TO aggression in children even where spanking is an
> accepted cultural practice.
> Ken, I'm curious. Did you actually read the article I posted?

I read the PART of it you quoted but you failed to show WHERE it was
published or offer one of your favortite LINKS you demand of others. I'd be
happy to do so. Post it again. <loud cough>

>> At best it was a "survey" bereft of ANY semblence of scientific method
>> to determine CAUSATION.

> Surveys are valid research tools in social science.

Not for the purposes of correlation much less causatiuon Kane EXCEPT to
social workers who are really the black holes of science.

> You don't know what their 'method' was unless you have a copy of the
> original publication. I doubt you do. So your judgment is not valid.

Is this an admission that I couldn't have because you didn't provide the
information?

> And Ken, we have established, I by pointing itout, and you by concurring
> to someone else in another post, that social science research, and more
> especially with children, cannot be the rigorous destruction of the sample
> for forensic examination, that the medical model entails.

Well NO Kane, we can't slam children into concrete walls at 200 MPH
unprotected to prove they'll be injured. However I listed before an
acceptable scientific model for documenting your claims that Spanking
creates aggression in children. I'll repeat it.

You begin with developing AT LEAST 3 groups of children. One that is
made up of children KNOWN to have been spanked. The second where the
children are known NOT to have been spanked. And the third a control group
where it is not known whether or not they have been spanked before the
study. Usually the studies are best when it is a "double blind." Meaning
that neither the administrators nor the subjects know which group is which
or even what is being tested for. You then administer a broad accepted
testng platform for aggression in this case. NOT DONE! You then
staistically tabulate the results to see IF the rate of agression actually
IS higher in the spanked group. THAT, sirt is a STUDY, not an OPINION piece
as you offer. No matter how many OPINIONS it contains.

> All social science research with humans (and a great deal with animals
> these days) is limited to a level that can make only correlation
> connections.

Read what i wrote above on HOW it is done!

> It's valid research. It's useful to expand our knowledge on the subject of
> learning, and it's accepted by the entire social science community,
> including that part that goes over into medicine, psychiatry.

No dip****, a survey of OPINIONS is NOT "valid research" it is an
INTERESTING ARTICLE. nothing more.

> If you reject it on the basis it's not "causal" then you are in a rather
> isolated position common to the lay public, but not to science.

It's not causal it isn't correlational either. It's OPINIONS and nothing
more.

>> Debate not only demands support - it demands VALID support. It
>> demands using sources that actually SUPPORT what you say.

> Are you suggesting that the source I provided is not valid?

I am saying as plain;y as I can that it does NOT stanbd for the
propisition you atte,mpt to use it to support. PERIOD!

> You haven't even stayed in the thread this belongs in.

YOU haven't the word "NOT" relates to your FALSE claims about the SAC
dolls.

> And you have departed from, even changing the subject field title a bit,
> the actual subject we have not resolved: your claim, accusation, that I
> deleted text you had placed in a post that was quoted by inkspot that I
> commented on.

I addres the "NOT" to the sbject header to make it clear the comments
oin THIS thread were supposed to be about the SAC dolls.

> Where is this post of mine that shows missing text of yours?

Ah more pettifogging.

> If you wish to discuss the International study on cross cultural views nd
> practices on spanking and the conclusions, correlative, that indeed
> spanking appears to LEAD TO aggression in children, don't you think we
> should be in the thread, at least, where that was the discussion?


It is NOT a "study." That's what you are unable to understand. Surveys
are NOT studies! PERIOD. Especially NOT surveys of OPINIONS!

>> Now let me kick your ASS yet again on the SAC dolls... Beside that I CAN
>> and HAVE supplied actual PDF files of peer reviewed Journal articles
>> (PLURAL now) And SAY sonny boy, I can drop a bunch of them on your head.
>> I can fill several CD's with them BULL****TER!

> You are free to believe whatever you wish. My review of the available
> comments, claims, conflicts, findings, and arguments on SAC doll use
> leaves me believing that it's an unresolved issue for the field of child
> sexual abuse investigation.

It isn't but your claim is that you have proof they ARE valid AND your
claim that you were going to "kick my ass" on the issue. Show me your POWER,
as it were, your AWESOME intellect. You TRIED to use 2 links to A
manufacturer (in Utah) of the dolls and one case law descision that you
MISREPRESENTED.

> I simply don't have a dog in your fight as you present it.

Yeah yo wre caught. I accept your surrender on the SAC dolls.

> I am not arguing one way or the other as to their use. And it's off topic
> to our discussion in any case.

You tried to and had your ass handed to you Kane.

>> Let me go to the case YOU strut as PROVING the validity and court
>> acceptance of the SAC dolls.

> I don't recall citing any case at all.

Memory failing? Run rabbitt run.

>> YOUR CITE: Ohio v. Boston 46 Ohio St. 3rd , 108 545 NE 2nd 1220
>
>> RULES OF EVIDENCE: Rule 702

>> The court commenting on your INFALLIBLE SAC DOLLS:

>> n8 We recognize that many professionals
>> criticize the use of SAC dolls in the diagnosis of
>> sexual abuse. They assert that there is no consistent
>> interview format associated with the use of SAC
>> dolls. Also, they claim that there is little or no
>> comparison data describing the response of nonabused
>> children to SAC dolls as compared to the
>> response of abused children. In this case, since Dr.
>> Lord had other evidence of the alleged abuse, we
>> need not decide whether an expert opinion based
>> only on the child's manipulation of SAC dolls is
>> reliable.

>> This you offer as PROOF thast the SAC dolls have been proven
>> absolutely reliable AN D accepted into evidence in a court. That AIN'T
>> what it says BUBBA! Not by a longshot!

> That's not my argument. You seem extraordinarily creative today.


Oh? Whose arguments was it. Don's? Ron's? Greg's?

>> First it reconizes that many (actually MOST) professionals criticize
>> the use of the dolls, THEN it says that "we need NOT (emphasis mine)
>> decide whether an expert opinion based only on the child's manipulation
>> of SAC dolls is reliable."

> Many times the entire professional field in some discipline is shown to
> have been wrong. Try physics, for instance.

Uh huh, think that dodge will save your ass Kane?

> Your argument on that basis does not hold water.

My argument sinks your boat Kane.

>> Notice the word NOT there? Need I parse the word NOT for you Kane?
>> Do you know what NOT means?

> You might start with explaining the significance.

It's simple the court used the word NOT in their decision. Meaning that
they did NOT accept the dolls as evidence.


> This thread is not about either SAC dolls or International studies on
> spanking.

RUN RABBIT RUN.

[0:->]

krp wrote:
> "0:->" > wrote in message
> news:ycmdnQiX5OWozTPYnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@scnresearch. com...
>
>>> Where is your PROOF Kane?
>
>> Of what? My subject, and yours, was your accusation that I deleted text.
>> This isn't about that.
>
> On ANY of it.
>
>> I didn't change the subject.
>
> Yeah, you did. Start with SAC Dolls, or Spanking, or the removed text
> take your pick. I had to post that quoted e-mails several times before you
> addressed it and tried to lose it in your brown fog. It merely said that
> Moore has you dancking like an organ grinder's monkey.

Nope, the subject was, and apparently with more of your dodging still
is, your claim I deleted text. I've proven I didn't.

You refuse to prove I did.

>>> BTW, I just sent the Journal article to your arch nemesis Greg.
>
>> What Journal article?
>
> To start with one on the SAC dolls. The one by Dr. Steven Ceci. You see
> Kane, it is from a REAL peer reviewed Jorunal NOT your PARADE MAGAZINE.

Show where I quoted Parade magazine.

I've told you I'm not interested in discussing SAC dolls. It's a non
subject since it's not resolvable with sufficient research as yet.

A legal decision does not cap a mental health one in this instance. The
law doesn't make facts. It just decides what to do.

>>> You know the guy you WHINE to that you CAN'T send him a PDF file
>
>> I don't recall him asking me for one.
>
> It's back a ways in the archives and you had a longm laundry list of
> excused why you couldn't send it because it was "bad" or something to that
> effect.

Not to Greg. And that's who you named.

Yes, it did not convert properly from the source.

>>> because on your computer PDF doesn't work and it's all busted etc etc
>
>> "computer PDF?"
>
> You DO know what a PDF file is, right? Do you have a mor recent copy of
> Acrobat newer than verson 1.5?

Yes. I don't have a "computer PDF," though. I have software. I run it on
my computer.

>> It software used by a scanner to create a document that Acrobat creates a
>> PDF file from. It's common for poor copy that will not scan clearly enough
>> for OCR to convert to readable text to cause Acrobat to turn out a
>> on-readable...and error commented PDF file.

> BULL****!!! Yopu are so TOTALLY full of **** Kane! COMPLETELY! You can
> scan the pages as a JPEG and import them into Acrobat. Jesus man what a
> bunch of LAME excuses. THis is worse than "the dog ate my homework" hore
> manure kids use.

Really? Read on.

> Here's a clue. Trade in your old Atari computer on a current model. Get
> rid of that old Bell fax scanner and get something good from HP. Get a newer
> version of Adoble than 1.5!

I have all the latest equipment.
>
>> Ask anyone that does it regularly. As I do.
>
> Kane I have scanned literally hundreds of documents into PDF files. I
> have NO problems with them.

That's absolutely wonderful.

I scanned, as I said, from a hard copy that was not up to snuff for any
OCR software to convert to characters Acrobat could successfully
convert. An old copy machine copy of a much handled and worn original in
courier typewriter font.

> I get many Journal articles from the authors
> themselves as text files, most frequently WORD...

Yep. You don't 'scan' text FILES, Ken. You simply run them into Acrobat.

Mine was in hard copy. Do you know what hard copy is?

> It is a simple one step
> process to convert them into a PDF.

Yep. Do it all the time. I PUBLISH in PDF. Professionally.

The document in question was not in an electronic file. Learn to read.

> Just select print and then select PDF
> and tell it where you want the file on your system. You DO have a hard drive
> don't you? Orf are you still using 8 inch floppies?

I likely have better later model equipment than you do, and far more
experience.

You can't even sort out a text file from a hard copy scan.

I told you I was scanning a hard copy that was compromised, that of
course created an OCR file that was not up to being converted by Acrobat.

>>> yada yada yada yada!
>
>> Meaning you are lying again? Or that you can't remember what I said to
>> who about what?
>
> No Kane your problem is that I DO.

No you don't. You just demonstrated you didn't remember I posted that it
was a hard copy in old courier font. And that I scanned it.

Or you are lying again.

Here's my comment, with a typo fixed ('s) from the post you are replying
to, where I refer to OCR used in conjunction with a scanner, as it must be:

[[[ And of course that you unethically snipped...aborted....without
notice so you could make a false fraudulent claim about what I actually
said. Nice debating skill, Ken.]]

"It('s) software used by a scanner to create a document that Acrobat
creates a PDF file from. It's common for poor copy that will not scan
clearly enough for OCR to convert to readable text to cause Acrobat to
turn out a on-readable...and error commented PDF file."

Anyone that actually does produce PDF files and isn't blowing smoke out
his ass, knows that a reference to OCR means hard copy was run through a
scanner. PAPER WITH CHARACTERS ON IT, child.

Not a text file.

OCR isn't used on text files in electronic form, unless you print them
out first...and what would be the point? 0:->

OCR means Optical Character Recognition. The key word being Optical.

>>> Others have requested it and I will send it to them as well.
>
>> Requested what?
>
> The PDF file on the SAC dolls by Dr. Ceci of Cornell university Actual
> REAL research NOT a STGUPID SGTUPID STUP{ID op-ed opinion piece in a NON
> professional publication (newspaper).

I did not reference a newspaper.

In fact, I didn't get into this discussion at the level you are pretending.

Do you drink, sir?

>>> I think it is HILARIOUS that you have allied yourself with David
>>> Moore.
>
>> In fact I refused to take his posting as proof of what you are. I simply
>> looked at the sources he referred to, found enough that was as he claimed,
>> to motivate me to play with you and see if you would continue to do the
>> same kind of thing.
>
> Bull**** if Moore takes a sharp corner, the concussion of your nose
> popping out of his ass would break windows in 17 states.

In other words you don't have a cogent argument for your claim of being
able to read my mind, but you have an "opinion."

That's nice.

>> You are consistent. 0:-]
>
>> It seems I'll have to admit to Moore that his claims appear founded based
>> on evidence he provided PLUS what you have provided in these threads on
>> these newsgroups since you came here at Greg's invitation...something else
>> you lied about.
>
> Tell me have youn had a LONG conversation with Will Rainey? How about a
> chat with Richard Holkade about me backing up Moore?

I have no need to converse with anyone. Nor even to look at Moore's
references. AS I said, very plainly, I look at your own posts for proof
of you credibility or lack.

> >> And don't play your "LINKS" bull**** with me. I work with scientific
> journals.
>
>> You do? Which ones? And what work do you do with them?
>
> I USE them DORK! Such as the examples I gave this morning.

How do you use them?

No, I'm not interested in how you use them HERE, but in how you use them
otherwise, if you do. That seems to be what you are saying.

>>> Such as in the article in Question:
>
>> It wasn't in question by me.
>
> Kane - - - you made FALSZE claims that the SAC dolls ARE "scientific"
> and ARE accepted by courts.

No I didn't.

> You TRIED to claim an Ohio case, "Ohio v.
> Boston" was a case where the SAC Dolls were admitted into evidence. In FACT
> it says the opposite.

No I didn't. Reference my post please, where I claimed that.

>>> Journal of Experimental Psychology: Applied
>>> c 1999 American Psychological Association
>>> March 1999, Vol 5. No. 1, 89 -106
>
>> What relevance to our discussion in this thread is this to your claim,
>> you accusation, that I deleted text from a post of yours?
>
> Change the subject from the SAC DOLLS now and CONFUSE IT.. HURRY HURRY
> KANE! HURRY! BROWN FOG IT!

Well, I have to follow your orders, since this thread held a claim by
you that I deleted text that I didn't.

I've shown I didn't. I've asked you to acknowledge the correction, or to
show, by LINK to my post, that I did indeed delete text.

Put my document up here, put a link to it. Show the text that was
deleted side by side.

I did, it was there in both documents...the one I quoted from inkspot
and the one I posted to him, that you later claimed I deleted text from.

You continued to make that claim even deleting it yourself and claiming
I did.

Very strange behavior indeed.

Do you drink?

>> I posted the proof I have not. You deleted my proof a number of times, now
>> you have changed the subject, twice I believe, and seem to be refusing to
>> complete the argument on whether or not I deleted your text.
>
> Proof of what? Spanking? SAC DOolls? The e-mail I posted?

The e-mail.

There was not claim of deleted material in any discussion about SAC
dolls, or spanking, that I know of.

I am still referring to your claim that I deleted some text from a post
of yours someone else quoted, in my reply to him.

I proved I did no such thing. You have continued to claim I did, while
actually deleting it yourself even NOT indicating your snippage.

That's highly unethical behavior on your part.

Do not snip without notice.

The ONE time you did give notice, you claimed you snipped to remove ad
hom, but in fact my proof that I had NOT deleted your text was in the
portion YOU deleted.

(Caps for emphasis only..not yelling intended.)
>
>> All of the above not on that topic is superfluous to me, Ken.
>
> Yeah the truth seems to be irrelevant to you.

No, it's highly relevant, as you are learning.

I simply do not wish to discuss the SAC dolls at this point. I may take
that up with you later if I find you have contributed something that
interests me. And it's not full of your usual bluster and lies.

>
>> What text did I delete?
> The Text where Moore represented to me he has you dancing like a monkey
> doing his dirty work for him.

This text?

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> NOte the post by Kane today in ascps.

Okay. I've noted all my posts. Relevance to your apparent claim your
credibility is still intact? I can't find it. Maybe you can point to my
post that makes some connection.

> Again I have found a group of peoplewho HELP me by posting the
aboutken link.

How do they do this helping, precisely?

> Yopu are TRASHED in yet ANOTHERgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!! "
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

Or this text?
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet
ANOTHERgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!
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The first is from my post to inkspot in reply to his post, the next you
see above.

If you look and will NOT delete it again in your reply to me, I can
discuss it with you.

For you see, all your text is within MY text, simply with my comments
interspersed.

Why do you keep erasing this when you reply to me?
>
>> Show the original actual post where I'm alleged to have done this
>> deletion, and provide a link to it. Feel free to quote it fully (no snips
>> please), and do not remove my comments ... these ... from any reply to
>> this post.
>
> We've gone over this. I posted several times - MOORE'S email to me, and
> your response to one where you quoted the headers without the text that the
> message contained to the effect you were his private dancing monkey doing
> his dirty work against me for him.

No, I have done no such thing. YOU have deleted my post contents of this
material repeatedly. I suspect you will do so again to this post.

You are without honor or honesty.

> He LOVES to gloat to me about his willing
> stooges like you.

I have zero investment in your conflict with Moore.

I have a slightly greater one with your false, and now lying, accusation
that I keep snipping your text from my posts, both originally, and in
the replies I make to you proving I did not so snip.

YOU are snipping, I am not.

> He can find MORONS like you at the drop of a hat Kane.

I am not a moron.

Do you drink?

> He
> has a few in the Atheism group.

Because I consider my choice of beliefs simply my own and unrelated to
others...and have no need for support for my conclusions that made me
chose to be an atheist, I don't visit there purposefully. I might have
inadvertently crossposted, but I have no interest in the group.

I have never seen Moore's post there, or yours, so I would have been
hard to recruit from there.

> All he needs to do is post one of his
> signature Hitler and ovens forgeries and they BARK on command JUST LIKE YOU!

I've posted a great deal here that has no connection to Moore or his
claims about you.

I draw my conclusions as to your character and credibility from
circumstances such as this, where you lie and delete portions of my post
in your replies claiming I did the deletions.

> He can forge anyone and they OBEY just as YOU DO! He makes anonymous
> listings to Freecycle offering all kinds of crap and MORONS show up at my
> door. Why do I say MORONS? Gotta ask you, (waste of time) do you think
> that anyone would offer a 2005 Lamborghini for FREE in Freecycle? A Corvette
> convertible? How about a Centennial edition Harley Davidson motorcycle? Yes
> YOU would Kane, YOU'D be dumb enough to show up at my door expecting to find
> that $2.5 million dollar car for FREE! I bet you'd be one of the ****ed
> ones that would be angry because I don't have one for you. Kane the more
> you yap the more I lower my estimate of your IQ. You're already in the low
> teens and dropping fast to negative territory.

You build most complex though wobbly Strawman fallacious arguments, Ken.

I'm not the least involved in your problems with Moore.

I do not need his contribution to see what you are.

You are a coward.

You continue to remove alt.dads-rights.unmoderated from the address
fields in this thread.

Why is that, Ken?

I kindly returned them to the crossposting.

0:->

[0:->]

freedom wrote:
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>
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, " krp" > wrote:
>> "0:->" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY - MOORE'S ALLEGATIONS
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national DOJ list
>> No listing with DOJ, NO listing with ANY state EVER!
>>
>>>>> Have you looked at my evidence that you are wrong? My post, and the post
>>>>> I replied to?
>>>>> Did it not have the same material in it that you pasted here and claimed
>>>>> I deleted?
>> You did delete Moore's text and have several times.
>>
>>
>>>>>> Let me make this simple for you. When I make a post, and I quote
>>>>>> verbatim an e-mail I received from Mr. Moore and then you quote my post
>>>>>> berating me for what I said attacking me for "lying" and you removed
>>>>>> the TEXT of the Moore post I quoted what other conclusion can I make
>>>>>> when that text is ABSENT in YOUR quote???????
>>>>> But I had not addressed you until you claimed I had deleted the
>>>>> material.
>> You responded to me quoting the HEADERS, absent Moore's text and challenegd
>> me to show its relavence. What it was suppsoed to prove. What it proves, is
>> that Moore believes ytou are a MORON, and he's right!
>>
>>>>> Show a link to the post or posts you are referring to.
>>>>
>>>> I did better than post a LINK - I REPOSTED the quoted E-MAIL.. YOU keep
>>>> deleting it.
>>> No, actually you do in reply. I quoted it fully. Your replies lack it. And
>>> you do not acknowledge with a ".....snip....." that you did so, though I
>>> did see a single attempt to hide that you had by claiming you were
>>> snipping "ad hom" that of course did not exist.
>> No Kane you only quoted the headers at first and snipped the actual text
>> where Moore claims he has you doing his dirty work for him. I can understand
>> that you'd not want the world to be reminded that you are a mere mindless
>> marionette for David Moore doing his bidding like one of Pavlov's dogs,
>
> 1. I never made any such claim, nor did the post you were referring to come
> from me. Nor have you provided any proof to the contrary.
>
> 2. Here's Kane's post where you claim he "snipped" the actual text:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yp795y
>
> Here's the original post which you falsely attributed to me:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2xvdjf
>
> It can clearly be seen that Kane didn't remove anything.
>
> Next lie, please?
>
> http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com

My prediction?

He'll lie again.

He'll snip to lie if he must.

And further?

When I tire of playing with him and exposing him just like others have
been exposed on this newsgroup by myself and other honest posters, he'll
declare, boisterously, and boastfully, that he has "Won," because I "ran."

Watch. I'll make that come true.

Ken, I will post no longer to you.

It is impossible to debate a liar, so I have to cut you loose now.

You have used, and been used by the other liars in these newsgroups.

YOU have to live with your snipping to abort attributions that prove
your opponent is telling the truth.

YOU have to live with the fact that you unethically misdirected by
change of subject continually.

YOU have to live with the fact that you quoted out of context, actually
changed other's words as well, attributed things to them they did not
say or do.

You have to live with mindless claims by you that you have completely
failed to back up.

And if you cannot see these as true, then YOU have to live with the fact
you are deluded.

It's even possible you are in a condition were you do not know these
things.

If that is the case, that you are unaware, then you have my apology as a
retired mental health professional, to you.

It's not your fault if this is what is happening.

Good day to you, sir, and good by.

Kane



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[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
...
>>>> Where is your PROOF Kane?
>>
>>> Of what? My subject, and yours, was your accusation that I deleted text.
>>> This isn't about that.
>>
>> On ANY of it.
>>
>>> I didn't change the subject.

>> Yeah, you did. Start with SAC Dolls, or Spanking, or the removed text
>> take your pick. I had to post that quoted e-mails several times before
>> you addressed it and tried to lose it in your brown fog. It merely said
>> that Moore has you dancking like an organ grinder's monkey.

> Nope, the subject was, and apparently with more of your dodging still is,
> your claim I deleted text. I've proven I didn't.

No you proved you DID. But that was secondary to the Spanking an SAC
dolls threads you now RUN away from. No wonder why.

> You refuse to prove I did.

Yes I did when I reposted the ENTIRE THREAD several times.
>
>>>> BTW, I just sent the Journal article to your arch nemesis Greg.
>>
>>> What Journal article?

> I've told you I'm not interested in discussing SAC dolls. It's a non
> subject since it's not resolvable with sufficient research as yet.

Yeah after you have had your ass handed to you on it after your
bellowing about it.

> A legal decision does not cap a mental health one in this instance. The
> law doesn't make facts. It just decides what to do.

It decides IF a given piece of evidence has been PROVEN to be reliable.

>>>> You know the guy you WHINE to that you CAN'T send him a PDF file

>>> I don't recall him asking me for one.

>> It's back a ways in the archives and you had a longm laundry list of
>> excused why you couldn't send it because it was "bad" or something to
>> that effect.

> Not to Greg. And that's who you named.

But you gave lame excuses.

> Yes, it did not convert properly from the source.

That's an OPERATOR failure.

>>>> because on your computer PDF doesn't work and it's all busted etc etc
>>
>>> "computer PDF?"

>> You DO know what a PDF file is, right? Do you have a mor recent copy
>> of Acrobat newer than verson 1.5?

> Yes. I don't have a "computer PDF," though. I have software. I run it on
> my computer.

What? Version 1.5 demonstration version? Or maybe Acrobat READER the
FREE thingie.

>>> It software used by a scanner to create a document that Acrobat creates
>>> a PDF file from. It's common for poor copy that will not scan clearly
>>> enough for OCR to convert to readable text to cause Acrobat to turn out
>>> a on-readable...and error commented PDF file.
>
>> BULL****!!! Yopu are so TOTALLY full of **** Kane! COMPLETELY! You
>> can scan the pages as a JPEG and import them into Acrobat. Jesus man what
>> a bunch of LAME excuses. THis is worse than "the dog ate my homework"
>> hore manure kids use.

> Really? Read on.

yeah REALLY I have PDF's with JPEGs in them.

>> Here's a clue. Trade in your old Atari computer on a current model.
>> Get rid of that old Bell fax scanner and get something good from HP. Get
>> a newer version of Adoble than 1.5!

> I have all the latest equipment.

What? Maybe a coco?

>>> Ask anyone that does it regularly. As I do.

>> Kane I have scanned literally hundreds of documents into PDF files. I
>> have NO problems with them.

> That's absolutely wonderful.

> I scanned, as I said, from a hard copy that was not up to snuff for any
> OCR software to convert to characters Acrobat could successfully convert.
> An old copy machine copy of a much handled and worn original in courier
> typewriter font.

ACROBAT doesn't do OCR conversion Kane. OCR sotware does. You seem not
to know that. I have scanned some truly dreadful documents and managed to
fix them with only marginal effort. Try the current version of Omnipage or
one of the even better OCR programs. NOIT one you got in a Cheerios box.

>> I get many Journal articles from the authors themselves as text files,
>> most frequently WORD...

> Yep. You don't 'scan' text FILES, Ken. You simply run them into Acrobat.

No Kane you use Microsoft word - you hit print and then select PDF file
and it does it all by itself and sends it to the directory you want.

> Mine was in hard copy. Do you know what hard copy is?

Yes I do that too. I take the document in my Mocroteck scanner, run it
through Omnipage and get it as a WORD document. I then proofread it and
correct any scanning errors. It WILL not scan documents written with a quill
pen however. If you have somehting THAT bad, take it to a public secretary
and have her or him type it for you in word and save it to a disc. Then
convert it to PDF.

> > It is a simple one step process to convert them into a PDF.

> Yep. Do it all the time. I PUBLISH in PDF. Professionally.

Hmmmm Have lots of problems do ya?

> The document in question was not in an electronic file. Learn to read.

Easy to convert. Try Omipgage's current version.15.

> > Just select print and then select PDF and tell it where you want the
> > file on your system. You DO have a hard drive don't you? Orf are you
> > still using 8 inch floppies?

> I likely have better later model equipment than you do, and far more
> experience.


((SWORD FIGHT)) SWORD FIGHT!!

Mine is very ipdated with the AMD 64 X 2 2.8 ghz chip, 2 gb memory, 2
TB of hard drive, dual combo CD-DVD drives RW (Sony) I have a microtek
scanner, a Cannon color printer, a 23 inch flat panel monitor Monsoon
speaker system (their big ones) my system also has liquid cooling.

My laptop is a HP dual core Intel with 200 gb drives plus external
drive attachments.

> You can't even sort out a text file from a hard copy scan.

Using the right software you CAN.. Try Omnipage 15. Works great.

> I told you I was scanning a hard copy that was compromised, that of course
> created an OCR file that was not up to being converted by Acrobat.

Just a LAME assed excuse. Don't use ACRIBAT to convert it use a REAL OCR
reader like Omnipage and scan it as a WORD file, Correct it and then save it
as PDF. But as the LEADING publisher in thw world using PDF you know that,
don't you Citizen Kane. I have NO lame excuses why I can't produce support
like than. Either i ahve it or I don't, either I have to time to snag it or
I don't. Either i want to or I don't. I state tghe reason I don't make
excuses.


>>>> yada yada yada yada!
>>
>>> Meaning you are lying again? Or that you can't remember what I said to
>>> who about what?
>>
>> No Kane your problem is that I DO.

> No you don't. You just demonstrated you didn't remember I posted that it
> was a hard copy in old courier font. And that I scanned it.

Like that means ****! IF you use an actual OCR reader like Omnipage 15
even version 12, Courier is the EASIEST font to convert EVER! I take
documents done in Courier and have a finished document from 10 source pages
(Courier 12 or Courier 10) done in 15 minutes to a virgin copy in PDF. If it
is REALLY boogered, maybe an hour.

> Or you are lying again.

No you are Kane.

> Here's my comment, with a typo fixed ('s) from the post you are replying
> to, where I refer to OCR used in conjunction with a scanner, as it must
> be:

> [[[ And of course that you unethically snipped...aborted....without notice
> so you could make a false fraudulent claim about what I actually said.
> Nice debating skill, Ken.]]

Your LAME excuses are bull**** Citixen Kane.

> "It('s) software used by a scanner to create a document that Acrobat
> creates a PDF file from. It's common for poor copy that will not scan
> clearly enough for OCR to convert to readable text to cause Acrobat to
> turn out a on-readable...and error commented PDF file."

If you have such horriffic problems upgrade to Omnipage 15 or one of the
better OCR programs. Omnipage is one of the middle of the field OCR
programs. There are better (usually costing 5 times as much) and MUCH worse.

> Anyone that actually does produce PDF files and isn't blowing smoke out
> his ass, knows that a reference to OCR means hard copy was run through a
> scanner. PAPER WITH CHARACTERS ON IT, child.

I have done literally hundreds of such documents. Where it gets to be a
challenge is where it is a printed document in 2 or 3 columns.

> Not a text file.

> OCR isn't used on text files in electronic form, unless you print them
> out first...and what would be the point? 0:->

You CONVERT it to electronic text Kane. Omnipage converts it to a WORD
document. You then run spell check and weed out all the minor recognition
errors, and manyally correct the few that can't be fixed with spell check.
It is NOT the horrible insurmountable task you pretend.

> OCR means Optical Character Recognition. The key word being Optical.

Look asshole I worked with OCR 20 years ago. It's come a LONG LONG LONG
way since the old **** that hit 50 to 60%.. It's damn near 98% accurate now
ESPECIALLY with COURIER as a base font to read. Kane I used to work for a
computer manufacturer as a sales rep.

>>>> Others have requested it and I will send it to them as well.
>
>>> Requested what?
>>
>> The PDF file on the SAC dolls by Dr. Ceci of Cornell university
>> Actual REAL research NOT a STUPID STUPID STUPID op-ed opinion piece in a
>> NON professional publication (newspaper).

> I did not reference a newspaper.

I saw NO Journal reference. I still do NOT you've had many opportunities
to reference it.

> In fact, I didn't get into this discussion at the level you are
> pretending. Do you drink, sir?

Nope - never liked the ****. I also don't use drugs. You?

>>>> I think it is HILARIOUS that you have allied yourself with David
>>>> Moore.

>>> In fact I refused to take his posting as proof of what you are. I simply
>>> looked at the sources he referred to, found enough that was as he
>>> claimed, to motivate me to play with you and see if you would continue
>>> to do the same kind of thing.

>> Bull**** if Moore takes a sharp corner, the concussion of your nose
>> popping out of his ass would break windows in 17 states.

> In other words you don't have a cogent argument for your claim of being
> able to read my mind, but you have an "opinion."

You don't require a mind reader. You are transparent as hell.

[krp]

"0:->" > wrote in message
news:zuOdnT8_S8AvCTPYnZ2dnUVZ_h_inZ2d@scnresearch. com...
> freedom wrote:


>>>>>>>>>>>> SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY - MOORE'S ALLEGATIONS

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No listings for any K PANGBORN in any state on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national DOJ list
>>> No listing with DOJ, NO listing with ANY state EVER!
>>>
>>>>>> Have you looked at my evidence that you are wrong? My post, and the
>>>>>> post I replied to?
>>>>>> Did it not have the same material in it that you pasted here and
>>>>>> claimed I deleted?
>>> You did delete Moore's text and have several times.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Let me make this simple for you. When I make a post, and I quote
>>>>>>> verbatim an e-mail I received from Mr. Moore and then you quote my
>>>>>>> post berating me for what I said attacking me for "lying" and you
>>>>>>> removed the TEXT of the Moore post I quoted what other conclusion
>>>>>>> can I make when that text is ABSENT in YOUR quote???????
>>>>>> But I had not addressed you until you claimed I had deleted the
>>>>>> material.
>>> You responded to me quoting the HEADERS, absent Moore's text and
>>> challenegd me to show its relavence. What it was suppsoed to prove. What
>>> it proves, is that Moore believes ytou are a MORON, and he's right!
>>>
>>>>>> Show a link to the post or posts you are referring to.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did better than post a LINK - I REPOSTED the quoted E-MAIL.. YOU
>>>>> keep deleting it.
>>>> No, actually you do in reply. I quoted it fully. Your replies lack it.
>>>> And you do not acknowledge with a ".....snip....." that you did so,
>>>> though I did see a single attempt to hide that you had by claiming you
>>>> were snipping "ad hom" that of course did not exist.
>>> No Kane you only quoted the headers at first and snipped the actual
>>> text where Moore claims he has you doing his dirty work for him. I can
>>> understand that you'd not want the world to be reminded that you are a
>>> mere mindless marionette for David Moore doing his bidding like one of
>>> Pavlov's dogs,

>> 1. I never made any such claim, nor did the post you were referring to
>> come
>> from me. Nor have you provided any proof to the contrary.

SIMPLE HERE IT IS AGAIN: It stands for itself

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NOte the post by Kane today in ascps. Again I have found a group of
peoplewho HELP me by posting the aboutken link. Yopu are TRASHED in yet
ANOTHEgroup.I WIN!!!!!!!!!!.

[0:->]

freedom wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, " krp" > wrote:
>> "0:->" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>>>> Where is your PROOF Kane?
>>>>> Of what? My subject, and yours, was your accusation that I deleted text.
>>>>> This isn't about that.
>>>> On ANY of it.
>>>>
>>>>> I didn't change the subject.
>>>> Yeah, you did. Start with SAC Dolls, or Spanking, or the removed text
>>>> take your pick. I had to post that quoted e-mails several times before
>>>> you addressed it and tried to lose it in your brown fog. It merely said
>>>> that Moore has you dancking like an organ grinder's monkey.
>>> Nope, the subject was, and apparently with more of your dodging still is,
>>> your claim I deleted text. I've proven I didn't.
>> No you proved you DID. But that was secondary to the Spanking an SAC
>> dolls threads you now RUN away from. No wonder why.
>>
>>> You refuse to prove I did.
>> Yes I did when I reposted the ENTIRE THREAD several times.
>>>>>> BTW, I just sent the Journal article to your arch nemesis Greg.
>>>>> What Journal article?
>>> I've told you I'm not interested in discussing SAC dolls. It's a non
>>> subject since it's not resolvable with sufficient research as yet.
>> Yeah after you have had your ass handed to you on it after your
>> bellowing about it.
>>
>>> A legal decision does not cap a mental health one in this instance. The
>>> law doesn't make facts. It just decides what to do.
>> It decides IF a given piece of evidence has been PROVEN to be reliable.
>>
>>>>>> You know the guy you WHINE to that you CAN'T send him a PDF file
>>>>> I don't recall him asking me for one.
>>>> It's back a ways in the archives and you had a longm laundry list of
>>>> excused why you couldn't send it because it was "bad" or something to
>>>> that effect.
>>> Not to Greg. And that's who you named.
>> But you gave lame excuses.
>>
>>> Yes, it did not convert properly from the source.
>> That's an OPERATOR failure.
>>
>>>>>> because on your computer PDF doesn't work and it's all busted etc etc
>>>>> "computer PDF?"
>>>> You DO know what a PDF file is, right? Do you have a mor recent copy
>>>> of Acrobat newer than verson 1.5?
>>> Yes. I don't have a "computer PDF," though. I have software. I run it on
>>> my computer.
>> What? Version 1.5 demonstration version? Or maybe Acrobat READER the
>> FREE thingie.
>>
>>>>> It software used by a scanner to create a document that Acrobat creates
>>>>> a PDF file from. It's common for poor copy that will not scan clearly
>>>>> enough for OCR to convert to readable text to cause Acrobat to turn out
>>>>> a on-readable...and error commented PDF file.
>>>> BULL****!!! Yopu are so TOTALLY full of **** Kane! COMPLETELY! You
>>>> can scan the pages as a JPEG and import them into Acrobat. Jesus man what
>>>> a bunch of LAME excuses. THis is worse than "the dog ate my homework"
>>>> hore manure kids use.
>>> Really? Read on.
>> yeah REALLY I have PDF's with JPEGs in them.
>>
>>>> Here's a clue. Trade in your old Atari computer on a current model.
>>>> Get rid of that old Bell fax scanner and get something good from HP. Get
>>>> a newer version of Adoble than 1.5!
>>> I have all the latest equipment.
>> What? Maybe a coco?
>>
>>>>> Ask anyone that does it regularly. As I do.
>>>> Kane I have scanned literally hundreds of documents into PDF files. I
>>>> have NO problems with them.
>>> That's absolutely wonderful.
>>> I scanned, as I said, from a hard copy that was not up to snuff for any
>>> OCR software to convert to characters Acrobat could successfully convert.
>>> An old copy machine copy of a much handled and worn original in courier
>>> typewriter font.
>> ACROBAT doesn't do OCR conversion Kane.
>
> Yes, it does. I use Acrobat professionally and just did this for a client
> actually. I have version 7.0, which has an option on the "Document" menu
> called "Recognize Text Using OCR". Next lie, please?
>
>
> OCR sotware does. You seem not
>> to know that. I have scanned some truly dreadful documents and managed to
>> fix them with only marginal effort. Try the current version of Omnipage or
>> one of the even better OCR programs. NOIT one you got in a Cheerios box.
>>
>>>> I get many Journal articles from the authors themselves as text files,
>>>> most frequently WORD...
>>> Yep. You don't 'scan' text FILES, Ken. You simply run them into Acrobat.
>> No Kane you use Microsoft word - you hit print and then select PDF file
>> and it does it all by itself and sends it to the directory you want.
>
> Sure, that's one way, if you're an amateur. I'm sure you fail to realize
> that Word isn't creating the PDF...Acrobat is. Of course, a couple years
> ago you had to have someone explain "cut and paste" to you, so you're not
> exactly what one would call "technically literate".
>
>>> Mine was in hard copy. Do you know what hard copy is?
>> Yes I do that too. I take the document in my Mocroteck scanner, run it
>> through Omnipage and get it as a WORD document. I then proofread it and
>> correct any scanning errors. It WILL not scan documents written with a quill
>> pen however. If you have somehting THAT bad, take it to a public secretary
>> and have her or him type it for you in word and save it to a disc. Then
>> convert it to PDF.
>>
>>>> It is a simple one step process to convert them into a PDF.
>>> Yep. Do it all the time. I PUBLISH in PDF. Professionally.
>> Hmmmm Have lots of problems do ya?
>>
>>> The document in question was not in an electronic file. Learn to read.
>> Easy to convert. Try Omipgage's current version.15.
>>
>>>> Just select print and then select PDF and tell it where you want the
>>>> file on your system. You DO have a hard drive don't you? Orf are you
>>>> still using 8 inch floppies?
>>> I likely have better later model equipment than you do, and far more
>>> experience.
>>
>> ((SWORD FIGHT)) SWORD FIGHT!!
>>
>> Mine is very ipdated with the AMD 64 X 2 2.8 ghz chip, 2 gb memory, 2
>> TB of hard drive, dual combo CD-DVD drives RW (Sony) I have a microtek
>> scanner, a Cannon color printer, a 23 inch flat panel monitor Monsoon
>> speaker system (their big ones) my system also has liquid cooling.
>>
>> My laptop is a HP dual core Intel with 200 gb drives plus external
>> drive attachments.
>>
>>> You can't even sort out a text file from a hard copy scan.
>> Using the right software you CAN.. Try Omnipage 15. Works great.
>>
>>> I told you I was scanning a hard copy that was compromised, that of course
>>> created an OCR file that was not up to being converted by Acrobat.
>> Just a LAME assed excuse. Don't use ACRIBAT to convert it use a REAL OCR
>> reader like Omnipage and scan it as a WORD file, Correct it and then save it
>> as PDF. But as the LEADING publisher in thw world using PDF you know that,
>> don't you Citizen Kane. I have NO lame excuses why I can't produce support
>> like than. Either i ahve it or I don't, either I have to time to snag it or
>> I don't. Either i want to or I don't. I state tghe reason I don't make
>> excuses.
>>
>>
>>>>>> yada yada yada yada!
>>>>> Meaning you are lying again? Or that you can't remember what I said to
>>>>> who about what?
>>>> No Kane your problem is that I DO.
>>> No you don't. You just demonstrated you didn't remember I posted that it
>>> was a hard copy in old courier font. And that I scanned it.
>> Like that means ****! IF you use an actual OCR reader like Omnipage 15
>> even version 12, Courier is the EASIEST font to convert EVER! I take
>> documents done in Courier and have a finished document from 10 source pages
>> (Courier 12 or Courier 10) done in 15 minutes to a virgin copy in PDF. If it
>> is REALLY boogered, maybe an hour.
>>
>>> Or you are lying again.
>> No you are Kane.
>>
>>> Here's my comment, with a typo fixed ('s) from the post you are replying
>>> to, where I refer to OCR used in conjunction with a scanner, as it must
>>> be:
>>> [[[ And of course that you unethically snipped...aborted....without notice
>>> so you could make a false fraudulent claim about what I actually said.
>>> Nice debating skill, Ken.]]
>> Your LAME excuses are bull**** Citixen Kane.
>>
>>> "It('s) software used by a scanner to create a document that Acrobat
>>> creates a PDF file from. It's common for poor copy that will not scan
>>> clearly enough for OCR to convert to readable text to cause Acrobat to
>>> turn out a on-readable...and error commented PDF file."
>> If you have such horriffic problems upgrade to Omnipage 15 or one of the
>> better OCR programs. Omnipage is one of the middle of the field OCR
>> programs. There are better (usually costing 5 times as much) and MUCH worse.
>>
>>> Anyone that actually does produce PDF files and isn't blowing smoke out
>>> his ass, knows that a reference to OCR means hard copy was run through a
>>> scanner. PAPER WITH CHARACTERS ON IT, child.
>> I have done literally hundreds of such documents. Where it gets to be a
>> challenge is where it is a printed document in 2 or 3 columns.
>>
>>> Not a text file.
>>> OCR isn't used on text files in electronic form, unless you print them
>>> out first...and what would be the point? 0:->
>> You CONVERT it to electronic text Kane. Omnipage converts it to a WORD
>> document. You then run spell check and weed out all the minor recognition
>> errors, and manyally correct the few that can't be fixed with spell check.
>> It is NOT the horrible insurmountable task you pretend.
>>
>>> OCR means Optical Character Recognition. The key word being Optical.
>> Look asshole I worked with OCR 20 years ago. It's come a LONG LONG LONG
>> way since the old **** that hit 50 to 60%.. It's damn near 98% accurate now
>> ESPECIALLY with COURIER as a base font to read. Kane I used to work for a
>> computer manufacturer as a sales rep.
>
> No, you didn't. You sold air and water filters.
>
>
>
>
>>>>>> Others have requested it and I will send it to them as well.
>>>>> Requested what?
>>>> The PDF file on the SAC dolls by Dr. Ceci of Cornell university
>>>> Actual REAL research NOT a STUPID STUPID STUPID op-ed opinion piece in a
>>>> NON professional publication (newspaper).
>>> I did not reference a newspaper.
>> I saw NO Journal reference. I still do NOT you've had many opportunities
>> to reference it.
>>
>>> In fact, I didn't get into this discussion at the level you are
>>> pretending. Do you drink, sir?
>> Nope - never liked the ****. I also don't use drugs. You?
>>
>>>>>> I think it is HILARIOUS that you have allied yourself with David
>>>>>> Moore.
>>>>> In fact I refused to take his posting as proof of what you are. I simply
>>>>> looked at the sources he referred to, found enough that was as he
>>>>> claimed, to motivate me to play with you and see if you would continue
>>>>> to do the same kind of thing.
>>>> Bull**** if Moore takes a sharp corner, the concussion of your nose
>>>> popping out of his ass would break windows in 17 states.
>>> In other words you don't have a cogent argument for your claim of being
>>> able to read my mind, but you have an "opinion."
>> You don't require a mind reader. You are transparent as hell.
>
>
> http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com

You probably know, Dave, what he's doing as he meanders through life and
the Web, and especially Usenet, trying so desperately to sound competent
and knowledgeable, right?

He gives or receives a challenge, and based on quick reads off a search
engine tries hard to come across a knowing something he did not before,
and still doesn't of course.

The babbling confusion over technical or professional terms gives him away.

He can't walk the talk, and as a matter of fact he can't TALK the talk.

Not in this field, of using OCR, scanners, and Acrobat to create PDF
files out of paper based source material.

What he ignores, and too often deletes surreptitiously, from your post,
(mine in this case) are those things he doesn't understand, can't figure
out, and the quick sneak peek at some on line material doesn't tell
him...like how OCR works with PDF.

Hell, he tried to foist off running OCR on a text file...and electronic
text file.

Puuuuuuleeeeeze.

This is consistent with everything he rants about, including his claim
that children who are not spanked are thereby at risk of developing
socio-pathologies. And he has "research" "somewhere" he can't provide,
to prove it.

Now as to that text I "deleted," R R R R R... talk about a bald-faced
liar. Actually deleting my posts correcting him and claim I deleted them.

No wonder he's the laughing stock of so many newsgroups.

Is there a pathology here?

Hmmmm...why, I really can't say.

As I don't have an causal based research.

But I have a ****load now, of correlation material if I want to ever
look at it again. <gag!>

I suspect the only posters he's going to be able to prod into responding
again is his little brother Greg who lives on this kind of deception and
arrogant manipulating lying.

Most of the rest of us are comfortable enough knowing he lies, and
having the proof, to let him do it all by himself.

Greg even, after seeing my proof Ken lied about the delete is still
courting him. Amazing, these thugs, isn't it?

Have a good time with him. And have a good year.

Kane


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You two have a regular romance going, don't you Kane?


>>>> A legal decision does not cap a mental health one in this instance. The
>>>> law doesn't make facts. It just decides what to do.

>>> It decides IF a given piece of evidence has been PROVEN to be
>>> reliable.

A legal decision DOES cap a mental health one.



>> Yes, it does. I use Acrobat professionally and just did this for a
>> client
>> actually. I have version 7.0, which has an option on the "Document" menu
>> called "Recognize Text Using OCR". Next lie, please?

Sure you CAN but while I have to tell this to the Adobe people, Acribat
is a really ****ty OCR reader. Ominpage is much better.

>> Sure, that's one way, if you're an amateur. I'm sure you fail to realize
>> that Word isn't creating the PDF...Acrobat is. Of course, a couple years
>> ago you had to have someone explain "cut and paste" to you, so you're not
>> exactly what one would call "technically literate".

Word exports it to Acrobat as a PDF file.

>>> ((SWORD FIGHT)) SWORD FIGHT!!

>>> Mine is very updated with the AMD 64 X 2 2.8 ghz chip, 2 gb memory,
>>> 2 TB of hard drive, dual combo CD-DVD drives RW (Sony) I have a microtek
>>> scanner, a Cannon color printer, a 23 inch flat panel monitor Monsoon
>>> speaker system (their big ones) my system also has liquid cooling.

>>> My laptop is a HP dual core Intel with 200 gb drives plus external
>>> drive attachments.
>>>
>>>> You can't even sort out a text file from a hard copy scan.
>>> Using the right software you CAN.. Try Omnipage 15. Works great.

>>>> I told you I was scanning a hard copy that was compromised, that of
>>>> course created an OCR file that was not up to being converted by
>>>> Acrobat.
>>> Just a LAME assed excuse. Don't use ACRIBAT to convert it use a REAL
>>> OCR reader like Omnipage and scan it as a WORD file, Correct it and then
>>> save it as PDF. But as the LEADING publisher in thw world using PDF you
>>> know that, don't you Citizen Kane. I have NO lame excuses why I can't
>>> produce support like than. Either i ahve it or I don't, either I have to
>>> time to snag it or I don't. Either i want to or I don't. I state tghe
>>> reason I don't make excuses.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> yada yada yada yada!
>>>>>> Meaning you are lying again? Or that you can't remember what I said
>>>>>> to who about what?
>>>>> No Kane your problem is that I DO.
>>>> No you don't. You just demonstrated you didn't remember I posted that
>>>> it was a hard copy in old courier font. And that I scanned it.
>>> Like that means ****! IF you use an actual OCR reader like Omnipage
>>> 15 even version 12, Courier is the EASIEST font to convert EVER! I take
>>> documents done in Courier and have a finished document from 10 source
>>> pages (Courier 12 or Courier 10) done in 15 minutes to a virgin copy in
>>> PDF. If it is REALLY boogered, maybe an hour.
>>>
>>>> Or you are lying again.
>>> No you are Kane.
>>>
>>>> Here's my comment, with a typo fixed ('s) from the post you are
>>>> replying to, where I refer to OCR used in conjunction with a scanner,
>>>> as it must be:
>>>> [[[ And of course that you unethically snipped...aborted....without
>>>> notice so you could make a false fraudulent claim about what I actually
>>>> said. Nice debating skill, Ken.]]
>>> Your LAME excuses are bull**** Citixen Kane.
>>>
>>>> "It('s) software used by a scanner to create a document that Acrobat
>>>> creates a PDF file from. It's common for poor copy that will not scan
>>>> clearly enough for OCR to convert to readable text to cause Acrobat to
>>>> turn out a on-readable...and error commented PDF file."
>>> If you have such horriffic problems upgrade to Omnipage 15 or one of
>>> the better OCR programs. Omnipage is one of the middle of the field OCR
>>> programs. There are better (usually costing 5 times as much) and MUCH
>>> worse.
>>>
>>>> Anyone that actually does produce PDF files and isn't blowing smoke out
>>>> his ass, knows that a reference to OCR means hard copy was run through
>>>> a scanner. PAPER WITH CHARACTERS ON IT, child.
>>> I have done literally hundreds of such documents. Where it gets to be
>>> a challenge is where it is a printed document in 2 or 3 columns.
>>>
>>>> Not a text file.
>>>> OCR isn't used on text files in electronic form, unless you print them
>>>> out first...and what would be the point? 0:->
>>> You CONVERT it to electronic text Kane. Omnipage converts it to a
>>> WORD document. You then run spell check and weed out all the minor
>>> recognition errors, and manyally correct the few that can't be fixed
>>> with spell check. It is NOT the horrible insurmountable task you
>>> pretend.
>>>
>>>> OCR means Optical Character Recognition. The key word being Optical.
>>> Look asshole I worked with OCR 20 years ago. It's come a LONG LONG
>>> LONG way since the old **** that hit 50 to 60%.. It's damn near 98%
>>> accurate now ESPECIALLY with COURIER as a base font to read. Kane I used
>>> to work for a computer manufacturer as a sales rep.

>> No, you didn't. You sold air and water filters.


More DAVID MOORE PSYCHOTIC BULL****! I was a computer division Rep in
Chicago for the Olivetti Corp and my district was the hospitals in the city.
MUCH later I had a second job selling air and water filters when my ex wife
was very sick and we had HUGE medical bills. SENSITIVE as even Moore. She
was damn near killed by the Epstein Barr virus.


>>>>>>> Others have requested it and I will send it to them as well.
>>>>>> Requested what?
>>>>> The PDF file on the SAC dolls by Dr. Ceci of Cornell university
>>>>> Actual REAL research NOT a STUPID STUPID STUPID op-ed opinion piece in
>>>>> a NON professional publication (newspaper).
>>>> I did not reference a newspaper.
>>> I saw NO Journal reference. I still do NOT you've had many
>>> opportunities to reference it.
>>>
>>>> In fact, I didn't get into this discussion at the level you are
>>>> pretending. Do you drink, sir?
>>> Nope - never liked the ****. I also don't use drugs. You?
>>>
>>>>>>> I think it is HILARIOUS that you have allied yourself with David
>>>>>>> Moore.
>>>>>> In fact I refused to take his posting as proof of what you are. I
>>>>>> simply looked at the sources he referred to, found enough that was as
>>>>>> he claimed, to motivate me to play with you and see if you would
>>>>>> continue to do the same kind of thing.
>>>>> Bull**** if Moore takes a sharp corner, the concussion of your
>>>>> nose popping out of his ass would break windows in 17 states.
>>>> In other words you don't have a cogent argument for your claim of being
>>>> able to read my mind, but you have an "opinion."
>>> You don't require a mind reader. You are transparent as hell.

> You probably know, Dave, what he's doing as he meanders through life and
> the Web, and especially Usenet, trying so desperately to sound competent
> and knowledgeable, right?
>
> He gives or receives a challenge, and based on quick reads off a search
> engine tries hard to come across a knowing something he did not before,
> and still doesn't of course.

HAH! You and ROnny are famous for that, trying to pass off a
MANUFACTURER'S website as "PROOF" of the scientific reliability of the SAC
dolls
when the site doesn't address science in ANY way. And this thy guys TRY to
misrerpresent a court decision you didn't know how to read. Kane you MUST
have ADD! That's the only thing that explains your bull****.

> The babbling confusion over technical or professional terms gives him
> away.

Huh? Like YOU not knowing the difference between causality and
correlation? Not knowing for an example that the statement X leads to Y is
a statement in causation. As in YOUR claim that "spanking leads to
aggression." That is saying "spanking CAUSES aggression" dummy.

> Not in this field, of using OCR, scanners, and Acrobat to create PDF files
> out of paper based source material.

If you're a dumb**** you'll use Acrobat to do that. The rest of us will
use a decicated OCR Program like Ominipage or Priemier etc.