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Doan

March 5th 07, 05:17 AM

What were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they look
at non-cp alternatives?

Doan

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:

> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/11/051114110820.htm
>
> Source: Society for Research in Child Development
>
> The study grew out of existing controversies over whether parents
> should spank their children or use other forms of physical discipline.
> While some experts argue that physical discipline should never be used
> because of evidence that it is related to more, rather than fewer,
> child behavior problems and might escalate into physical abuse, others
> argue that the effects of physical discipline might depend on
> characteristics of children and families and the circumstances in which
> physical discipline is used.
>
> To find out if the latter theory was valid, researchers from Duke
> University in North Carolina, Chinese University of Hong Kong,
> Göteborg University in Sweden, the University of Naples, the
> University of Rome and the Istituto Universitario di Scienze Motorie in
> Italy, Chiang Mai University in Thailand, the University of Delhi in
> India, the University of Oregon and California State University-Long
> Beach questioned 336 mothers and their children in China, India, Italy,
> Kenya, the Philippines, and Thailand about cultural norms surrounding
> the use of physical discipline and how it affects children's aggression
> and anxiety.
>
> They first asked mothers how often they physically disciplined their
> children, and then asked mothers and children how often they thought
> other parents in their country physically disciplined their children.
> Finally, they asked mothers and children how often the child worries,
> is fearful, gets in fights, bullies others and other questions to
> measure children's aggression and anxiety.
>
> The researchers found differences in how often mothers used physical
> discipline and the mothers' perceptions of how often other parents used
> physical discipline. Specifically:
>
> * Mothers in Thailand were least likely to physically discipline
> their children, followed by mothers in China, the Philippines, Italy,
> India, and Kenya, with mothers in Kenya most likely to physically
> discipline their children.
> * More frequent use of physical discipline was less strongly
> associated with child aggression and anxiety when it was perceived as
> being more culturally accepted, but physical discipline was also
> associated with more aggression and anxiety regardless of the
> perception of cultural acceptance.
> * In countries in which physical discipline was more common and
> culturally accepted, children who were physically disciplined were less
> aggressive and less anxious than children who were physically
> disciplined in countries where physical discipline was rarely used.
> * In all countries, however, higher use of physical discipline was
> associated with more child aggression and anxiety.
>
> "One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
> recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
> groups," said lead researcher Jennifer Lansford, Ph.D., a research
> scientist at the Center for Child and Family Policy at Duke University.
> "A particular parenting practice may become a problem only if parents
> use it in a cultural context that does not support the practice (for
> example, if they migrate from one country to another)."
>
> However, she notes, some practices that were condoned historically
> (e.g., child labor) are now condemned, at least in certain countries.
> "A larger question is whether a parenting practice is acceptable,
> regardless of whether it occurs commonly within a cultural group."
>
> ###
>
> Summarized from Child Development, Vol. 76, Issue 6, Physical
> Discipline and Children's Adjustment: Cultural Normativeness as a
> Moderator by Lansford JE. Dodge KA Malone PS and Quinn N. (Duke
> University), Chang L (Chinese University of Hong Kong), Oburu P and
> Palmérus K (Göteborg University), Bacchini D (University of Naples),
> Pastorelli C and Bombi AS (Rome University), Zelli A (Istituto
> Universitario di Scienze Motorie), Tapanya S(Chiang Mai University),
> Chaudhary N (University of Delhi), Deater-Deckard K (University of
> Oregon), and Manke B (California State University, Long Beach).
> Copyright 2005 The Society for Research in Child Development, Inc. All
> rights reserved.
>
> Note: This story has been adapted from a news release issued by Society
> for Research in Child Development.
>
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/11/051114110820.htm
> ...
>

Doan

March 5th 07, 05:18 AM

Where were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they find
the same CORRELATIONS with non-cp alternatives?

Doan

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:

> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/11/051114110820.htm
>
> Source: Society for Research in Child Development
>
> The study grew out of existing controversies over whether parents
> should spank their children or use other forms of physical discipline.
> While some experts argue that physical discipline should never be used
> because of evidence that it is related to more, rather than fewer,
> child behavior problems and might escalate into physical abuse, others
> argue that the effects of physical discipline might depend on
> characteristics of children and families and the circumstances in which
> physical discipline is used.
>
> To find out if the latter theory was valid, researchers from Duke
> University in North Carolina, Chinese University of Hong Kong,
> Göteborg University in Sweden, the University of Naples, the
> University of Rome and the Istituto Universitario di Scienze Motorie in
> Italy, Chiang Mai University in Thailand, the University of Delhi in
> India, the University of Oregon and California State University-Long
> Beach questioned 336 mothers and their children in China, India, Italy,
> Kenya, the Philippines, and Thailand about cultural norms surrounding
> the use of physical discipline and how it affects children's aggression
> and anxiety.
>
> They first asked mothers how often they physically disciplined their
> children, and then asked mothers and children how often they thought
> other parents in their country physically disciplined their children.
> Finally, they asked mothers and children how often the child worries,
> is fearful, gets in fights, bullies others and other questions to
> measure children's aggression and anxiety.
>
> The researchers found differences in how often mothers used physical
> discipline and the mothers' perceptions of how often other parents used
> physical discipline. Specifically:
>
> * Mothers in Thailand were least likely to physically discipline
> their children, followed by mothers in China, the Philippines, Italy,
> India, and Kenya, with mothers in Kenya most likely to physically
> discipline their children.
> * More frequent use of physical discipline was less strongly
> associated with child aggression and anxiety when it was perceived as
> being more culturally accepted, but physical discipline was also
> associated with more aggression and anxiety regardless of the
> perception of cultural acceptance.
> * In countries in which physical discipline was more common and
> culturally accepted, children who were physically disciplined were less
> aggressive and less anxious than children who were physically
> disciplined in countries where physical discipline was rarely used.
> * In all countries, however, higher use of physical discipline was
> associated with more child aggression and anxiety.
>
> "One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
> recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
> groups," said lead researcher Jennifer Lansford, Ph.D., a research
> scientist at the Center for Child and Family Policy at Duke University.
> "A particular parenting practice may become a problem only if parents
> use it in a cultural context that does not support the practice (for
> example, if they migrate from one country to another)."
>
> However, she notes, some practices that were condoned historically
> (e.g., child labor) are now condemned, at least in certain countries.
> "A larger question is whether a parenting practice is acceptable,
> regardless of whether it occurs commonly within a cultural group."
>
> ###
>
> Summarized from Child Development, Vol. 76, Issue 6, Physical
> Discipline and Children's Adjustment: Cultural Normativeness as a
> Moderator by Lansford JE. Dodge KA Malone PS and Quinn N. (Duke
> University), Chang L (Chinese University of Hong Kong), Oburu P and
> Palmérus K (Göteborg University), Bacchini D (University of Naples),
> Pastorelli C and Bombi AS (Rome University), Zelli A (Istituto
> Universitario di Scienze Motorie), Tapanya S(Chiang Mai University),
> Chaudhary N (University of Delhi), Deater-Deckard K (University of
> Oregon), and Manke B (California State University, Long Beach).
> Copyright 2005 The Society for Research in Child Development, Inc. All
> rights reserved.
>
> Note: This story has been adapted from a news release issued by Society
> for Research in Child Development.
>
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/11/051114110820.htm
> ...
>

0:->

March 5th 07, 05:20 AM

Doan wrote:
> What were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they look
> at non-cp alternatives?

What where they? Did they?

If not why not? What was being studied?

>> * Mothers in Thailand were least likely to physically discipline
>> their children, followed by mothers in China, the Philippines, Italy,
>> India, and Kenya, with mothers in Kenya most likely to physically
>> discipline their children.
>> * More frequent use of physical discipline was less strongly
>> associated with child aggression and anxiety when it was perceived as
>> being more culturally accepted, ===but physical discipline was also
>> associated with more aggression and anxiety regardless of the
>> perception of cultural acceptance.===
>> * In countries in which physical discipline was more common and
>> culturally accepted, children who were physically disciplined were less
>> aggressive and less anxious than children who were physically
>> disciplined in countries where physical discipline was rarely used.
>> === * In all countries, however, higher use of physical
discipline was
>> associated with more child aggression and anxiety. ===

Isn't your claim that spanking works for some ethnicities?

>
> Doan
>
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>
>> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/11/051114110820.htm
>>
>> Source: Society for Research in Child Development
>>
>> The study grew out of existing controversies over whether parents
>> should spank their children or use other forms of physical discipline.
>> While some experts argue that physical discipline should never be used
>> because of evidence that it is related to more, rather than fewer,
>> child behavior problems and might escalate into physical abuse, others
>> argue that the effects of physical discipline might depend on
>> characteristics of children and families and the circumstances in which
>> physical discipline is used.
>>
>> To find out if the latter theory was valid, researchers from Duke
>> University in North Carolina, Chinese University of Hong Kong,
>> Gï¿½teborg University in Sweden, the University of Naples, the
>> University of Rome and the Istituto Universitario di Scienze Motorie in
>> Italy, Chiang Mai University in Thailand, the University of Delhi in
>> India, the University of Oregon and California State University-Long
>> Beach questioned 336 mothers and their children in China, India, Italy,
>> Kenya, the Philippines, and Thailand about cultural norms surrounding
>> the use of physical discipline and how it affects children's aggression
>> and anxiety.
>>
>> They first asked mothers how often they physically disciplined their
>> children, and then asked mothers and children how often they thought
>> other parents in their country physically disciplined their children.
>> Finally, they asked mothers and children how often the child worries,
>> is fearful, gets in fights, bullies others and other questions to
>> measure children's aggression and anxiety.
>>
>> The researchers found differences in how often mothers used physical
>> discipline and the mothers' perceptions of how often other parents used
>> physical discipline. Specifically:
>>
>> * Mothers in Thailand were least likely to physically discipline
>> their children, followed by mothers in China, the Philippines, Italy,
>> India, and Kenya, with mothers in Kenya most likely to physically
>> discipline their children.
>> * More frequent use of physical discipline was less strongly
>> associated with child aggression and anxiety when it was perceived as
>> being more culturally accepted, but physical discipline was also
>> associated with more aggression and anxiety regardless of the
>> perception of cultural acceptance.
>> * In countries in which physical discipline was more common and
>> culturally accepted, children who were physically disciplined were less
>> aggressive and less anxious than children who were physically
>> disciplined in countries where physical discipline was rarely used.
>> * In all countries, however, higher use of physical discipline was
>> associated with more child aggression and anxiety.
>>
>> "One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
>> recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
>> groups," said lead researcher Jennifer Lansford, Ph.D., a research
>> scientist at the Center for Child and Family Policy at Duke University.
>> "A particular parenting practice may become a problem only if parents
>> use it in a cultural context that does not support the practice (for
>> example, if they migrate from one country to another)."
>>
>> However, she notes, some practices that were condoned historically
>> (e.g., child labor) are now condemned, at least in certain countries.
>> "A larger question is whether a parenting practice is acceptable,
>> regardless of whether it occurs commonly within a cultural group."
>>
>> ###
>>
>> Summarized from Child Development, Vol. 76, Issue 6, Physical
>> Discipline and Children's Adjustment: Cultural Normativeness as a
>> Moderator by Lansford JE. Dodge KA Malone PS and Quinn N. (Duke
>> University), Chang L (Chinese University of Hong Kong), Oburu P and
>> Palmï¿½rus K (Gï¿½teborg University), Bacchini D (University of Naples),
>> Pastorelli C and Bombi AS (Rome University), Zelli A (Istituto
>> Universitario di Scienze Motorie), Tapanya S(Chiang Mai University),
>> Chaudhary N (University of Delhi), Deater-Deckard K (University of
>> Oregon), and Manke B (California State University, Long Beach).
>> Copyright 2005 The Society for Research in Child Development, Inc. All
>> rights reserved.
>>
>> Note: This story has been adapted from a news release issued by Society
>> for Research in Child Development.
>>
>> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/11/051114110820.htm
>> ...
>>
>

Doan

March 5th 07, 05:22 AM

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:

> Doan wrote:
> > What were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they look
> > at non-cp alternatives?
>
> What where they? Did they?
>
> If not why not? What was being studied?
>
I didn't get an answer to my question, Kane. Why is that? You dind't
read the study in full, did you, Kane? Hihihi!

Doan

0:->

March 5th 07, 05:25 AM

Doan wrote:
> Where were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they find
> the same CORRELATIONS with non-cp alternatives?

What was the study premise, Doan. Read the first two paragraphs. And
then go back to your original claim about Black children and CP with
this in mind:

* In all countries, however, higher use of physical discipline was
associated with more child aggression and anxiety.

Why do you think that was, Doan? nonCP alternatives?

Provide a study, if that's what you believe, that shows in these
countries that that is so.

Or answer the challenge that confounds your claims about Black children:

* In all countries, however, higher use of physical discipline was
associated with more child aggression and anxiety.

What about that, Doan?

And what about this?

"but physical discipline was also associated with more aggression and
anxiety regardless of the perception of cultural acceptance."

You can get the study without the expense, Doan. Read it and tell us
about the CP alternatives they used and that they were the cause of the
two statements above.

0:]

>
> Doan
>
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>
>> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/11/051114110820.htm
>>
>> Source: Society for Research in Child Development
>>
>> The study grew out of existing controversies over whether parents
>> should spank their children or use other forms of physical discipline.
>> While some experts argue that physical discipline should never be used
>> because of evidence that it is related to more, rather than fewer,
>> child behavior problems and might escalate into physical abuse, others
>> argue that the effects of physical discipline might depend on
>> characteristics of children and families and the circumstances in which
>> physical discipline is used.
>>
>> To find out if the latter theory was valid, researchers from Duke
>> University in North Carolina, Chinese University of Hong Kong,
>> Gï¿½teborg University in Sweden, the University of Naples, the
>> University of Rome and the Istituto Universitario di Scienze Motorie in
>> Italy, Chiang Mai University in Thailand, the University of Delhi in
>> India, the University of Oregon and California State University-Long
>> Beach questioned 336 mothers and their children in China, India, Italy,
>> Kenya, the Philippines, and Thailand about cultural norms surrounding
>> the use of physical discipline and how it affects children's aggression
>> and anxiety.
>>
>> They first asked mothers how often they physically disciplined their
>> children, and then asked mothers and children how often they thought
>> other parents in their country physically disciplined their children.
>> Finally, they asked mothers and children how often the child worries,
>> is fearful, gets in fights, bullies others and other questions to
>> measure children's aggression and anxiety.
>>
>> The researchers found differences in how often mothers used physical
>> discipline and the mothers' perceptions of how often other parents used
>> physical discipline. Specifically:
>>
>> * Mothers in Thailand were least likely to physically discipline
>> their children, followed by mothers in China, the Philippines, Italy,
>> India, and Kenya, with mothers in Kenya most likely to physically
>> discipline their children.
>> * More frequent use of physical discipline was less strongly
>> associated with child aggression and anxiety when it was perceived as
>> being more culturally accepted, but physical discipline was also
>> associated with more aggression and anxiety regardless of the
>> perception of cultural acceptance.
>> * In countries in which physical discipline was more common and
>> culturally accepted, children who were physically disciplined were less
>> aggressive and less anxious than children who were physically
>> disciplined in countries where physical discipline was rarely used.
>> * In all countries, however, higher use of physical discipline was
>> associated with more child aggression and anxiety.
>>
>> "One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
>> recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
>> groups," said lead researcher Jennifer Lansford, Ph.D., a research
>> scientist at the Center for Child and Family Policy at Duke University.
>> "A particular parenting practice may become a problem only if parents
>> use it in a cultural context that does not support the practice (for
>> example, if they migrate from one country to another)."
>>
>> However, she notes, some practices that were condoned historically
>> (e.g., child labor) are now condemned, at least in certain countries.
>> "A larger question is whether a parenting practice is acceptable,
>> regardless of whether it occurs commonly within a cultural group."
>>
>> ###
>>
>> Summarized from Child Development, Vol. 76, Issue 6, Physical
>> Discipline and Children's Adjustment: Cultural Normativeness as a
>> Moderator by Lansford JE. Dodge KA Malone PS and Quinn N. (Duke
>> University), Chang L (Chinese University of Hong Kong), Oburu P and
>> Palmï¿½rus K (Gï¿½teborg University), Bacchini D (University of Naples),
>> Pastorelli C and Bombi AS (Rome University), Zelli A (Istituto
>> Universitario di Scienze Motorie), Tapanya S(Chiang Mai University),
>> Chaudhary N (University of Delhi), Deater-Deckard K (University of
>> Oregon), and Manke B (California State University, Long Beach).
>> Copyright 2005 The Society for Research in Child Development, Inc. All
>> rights reserved.
>>
>> Note: This story has been adapted from a news release issued by Society
>> for Research in Child Development.
>>
>> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/11/051114110820.htm
>> ...
>>
>

0:->

March 5th 07, 05:27 AM

Doan wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>
>> Doan wrote:
>>> What were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they look
>>> at non-cp alternatives?
>> What where they? Did they?
>>
>> If not why not? What was being studied?
>>
> I didn't get an answer to my question, Kane. Why is that? You dind't
> read the study in full, did you, Kane? Hihihi!

Of course not. I can't buy every study out there, Doan. So I read the
abstracts, and trust honest little monkey's to run over to the USC
library and pick up a copy of the full study and tell us all the nice
things in it the support their pet theories about black children
flourishing on CP.

>
> Doan
>
>

Doan

March 5th 07, 05:29 AM

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:

> Doan wrote:
> > Where were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they find
> > the same CORRELATIONS with non-cp alternatives?
>
> What was the study premise, Doan. Read the first two paragraphs. And
> then go back to your original claim about Black children and CP with
> this in mind:
>
The studies wasn't about Black children, STUPID. However the authors
did say:
"One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
groups,"

Do you always like making a fool of yourself, Kane? Hihihi!

Doan

Doan

March 5th 07, 05:35 AM

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:

> Doan wrote:
> > On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >
> >> Doan wrote:
> >>> What were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they look
> >>> at non-cp alternatives?
> >> What where they? Did they?
> >>
> >> If not why not? What was being studied?
> >>
> > I didn't get an answer to my question, Kane. Why is that? You dind't
> > read the study in full, did you, Kane? Hihihi!
>
> Of course not. I can't buy every study out there, Doan. So I read the
> abstracts, and trust honest little monkey's to run over to the USC
> library and pick up a copy of the full study and tell us all the nice
> things in it the support their pet theories about black children
> flourishing on CP.
>
Then you are just Empty Kane making noises. I can send a full copy if
you wish. Now where is the proof that Alina is me? Hihihi!

Doan

0:->

March 5th 07, 05:52 AM

Doan wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>
>> Doan wrote:
>>> Where were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they find
>>> the same CORRELATIONS with non-cp alternatives?
>> What was the study premise, Doan. Read the first two paragraphs. And
>> then go back to your original claim about Black children and CP with
>> this in mind:
>>
> The studies wasn't about Black children, STUPID. However the authors
> did say:
> "One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
> recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
> groups,"

Yep, and you've ignored the rest.

As for black children, what do you usually call African children?
>
> Do you always like making a fool of yourself, Kane? Hihihi!

I couldn't keep up with you doing it to yourself even if I tried, Doan.

>
> Doan
>

Why did you to take to Gregorizing, Doan? Can't argue with the full
information in front of the reader?

They'll see too easily what you really are?

Try reading again, what you quoted above, Doan.

It doesn't say there is a need for caution in making recommendations
about parenting practices.

Just about across different cultural groups.

There are plenty of black people that do not go along with the "spanking
is good for black children," kant.

That would be within the culture and doubtless constitutes a
recommendation.

In fact I see a lot of claims about "the black community" and it's
universal acceptance of spanking, but being made by whites, Doan.

I'd have to say that's a bit of cross cultural intrusion, wouldn't you?

When I want to know what a person of another ethnicity thinks I ask. And
I don't repeat what they say unless I read or hear them say it.

Do you know the name, Poussaint?

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2812/corporal_punishment_hidden_costs/

"Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical
School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long
opposed the use of corporal punishment.

His major argument is simple: “the use of corporal punishment teaches
children that violence is the way to solve problems.” Poussaint, who was
an adviser to the popular program “The Cosby Show,” says corporal
punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
black community.

At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.

“There’s an overuse of beating kids,” he said, breaking a major taboo
among black leadership by raising this issue. “So that you have 80
percent of black parents believing you should beat them—beat the devil
out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
get.”

High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice’s Bureau of
Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.

In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
ten times the white rate.

Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
responsibility and cultural standards.

There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint’s
anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn’t make sense is
that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.

One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment they’re sure to
receive in the Untied States.

But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
doesn’t work. "

Author, Corporal Punishment’s Hidden Costs
By Salim Muwakkil
In These Times, September 8, 2006

I've a hunch he's Black.

Assigning universal attributes to a culture is very tricky business
under any circumstances.

Even the researchers in the International study didn't go for that.

They made plain that cultural beliefs and actual performance
varied...the point of the study.

I suggest YOU stop speaking for the Black community, Doan, as you have
been inclined to do on this issue, making claims
you have been completely unable to support.

Or, go over to "Black Studies," and speak directly to them.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/publications/cat2006/schools/college/amst/african_american.html

Tell them you know their story and their beliefs better than they do.

0:-]

I'd say the following are some fair heavyweights in the Black Community,
wouldn't you? Though not everyone is going to agree with them, of course.

PROCLAMATION signed by African American Leaders
OPPOSING SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT

WHEREAS, corporal punishment is defined as the intentional infliction of
physical pain for purposes of stopping or preventing misbehavior, and

WHEREAS, corporal punishment in schools is disproportionately used on
African-American children, and

WHEREAS, anger and violence can get out of control with corporal
punishment causing injuries such as bleeding, bruises, and broken bones, and

WHEREAS, corporal punishment conveys a message to children that violence
is an acceptable method for dealing with conflict, and

WHEREAS, overwhelming evidence suggests that other methods of discipline
work better like setting reasonable rules and standards, correcting
children in a respectful, non-violent and consistent manner, praise and
reward for appropriate behavior.

WHEREAS, all children deserve to be able to learn in a safe and
supportive learning environment free from corporal punishment.

NOW, THEREFORE, we urge all school boards to ban corporal punishment and
we urge state legislators in all states allowing its use to pass
legislation ending school corporal punishment.

SIGNATURES OF AFRICAN AMERICAN LEADERS ON A PROCLAMATION CALLING FOR A
BAN ON SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT 12-04
Dr. Alvin Poussaint Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School and
Judge Baker Children's Center; Boston, MA
Julian Bond Chairman of the Board of NAACP, Baltimore, MD
Kweisi Mfume Past President & CEO of NAACP; Baltimore, MD
Reverend Jesse Jackson, Sr. Founder & President of PUSH/EXCEL; Chicago, IL
Marc H. Morial President & CEO of Urban League; New York, NY
Dr. Michelle Clark Committee on Black Psychiatrists, American
Psychiatric Assn.; Los Angeles, CA
Dr. Winston Price President of National Medical Association; Washington, DC
Marion Wright Edelman President of Children's Defense Fund; Washington, DC
Dr. Deloris M. Saunders President of National Alliance of Black School
Educators; Washington, DC
Dr. Michael Lomax President & CEO of United Negro College Fund; Fairfax, VA
Brother Reynaldo S. Taylor President, Nat'l Black Catholic Seminarian
Assn; Cincinnati, OH
Bishop E. Earl McCloud Ecumenical Officer, AME Church; Atlanta, GA
Bishop Phillip Robert Cousin Fourth Episcopal District, AME Church;
Chicago, IL
Bishop Cornal Garnett Henning Eighth Episcopal District, AME Church;
New Orleans, LA
Bishop McKinley Young Eleventh Episcopal District, AME Church;
Jacksonville, FL
Dr. Carl C. Bell President & CEO of Community Mental Health Council;
Chicago, IL
Dr. Marilyn Benoit Past President of American Academy of Child and
Adolescent Psychiatry; Washington, DC
Yvette McGee Brown President of Child and Family Advocacy Center;
Columbus, OH
Reverend Fred L. Shuttlesworth Past President of Southern Christian
Leadership Conference
Judith Jackson President of National Association of Black Social
Workers; Washington, DC

Compiled by Dr. Alvin Poussaint and EPOCH-USA (End Physical Punishment
of Children), Columbus, OH 43215, Nadine Block Co-Chair www.stophitting.org

For more information on the problems of corporal punishment and
especially its effects on the African-American population, please see
the Fact Sheet on Corporal Punishment.

0:->

March 5th 07, 06:01 AM

Doan wrote:

..............................................

Whoops! There's that word again.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/11/051114110820.htm

Source: Society for Research in Child Development

The study grew out of existing controversies over whether parents
should spank their children or use other forms of physical discipline.
While some experts argue that physical discipline should never be used
because of evidence that it is related to more, rather than fewer,
child behavior problems and might escalate into physical abuse, others
argue that the effects of physical discipline might depend on
characteristics of children and families and the circumstances in which
physical discipline is used.

To find out if the latter theory was valid, researchers from Duke
University in North Carolina, Chinese University of Hong Kong,
Göteborg University in Sweden, the University of Naples, the
University of Rome and the Istituto Universitario di Scienze Motorie in
Italy, Chiang Mai University in Thailand, the University of Delhi in
India, the University of Oregon and California State University-Long
Beach questioned 336 mothers and their children in China, India, Italy,
Kenya, the Philippines, and Thailand about cultural norms surrounding
the use of physical discipline and how it affects children's aggression
and anxiety.

They first asked mothers how often they physically disciplined their
children, and then asked mothers and children how often they thought
other parents in their country physically disciplined their children.
Finally, they asked mothers and children how often the child worries,
is fearful, gets in fights, bullies others and other questions to
measure children's aggression and anxiety.

The researchers found differences in how often mothers used physical
discipline and the mothers' perceptions of how often other parents used
physical discipline. Specifically:

* Mothers in Thailand were least likely to physically discipline
their children, followed by mothers in China, the Philippines, Italy,
India, and Kenya, with mothers in Kenya most likely to physically
discipline their children.
* More frequent use of physical discipline was less strongly
associated with child aggression and anxiety when it was perceived as
being more culturally accepted, but physical discipline was also
associated with more aggression and anxiety regardless of the
perception of cultural acceptance.
* In countries in which physical discipline was more common and
culturally accepted, children who were physically disciplined were less
aggressive and less anxious than children who were physically
disciplined in countries where physical discipline was rarely used.
* In all countries, however, higher use of physical discipline was
associated with more child aggression and anxiety.

"One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
groups," said lead researcher Jennifer Lansford, Ph.D., a research
scientist at the Center for Child and Family Policy at Duke University.
"A particular parenting practice may become a problem only if parents
use it in a cultural context that does not support the practice (for
example, if they migrate from one country to another)."

However, she notes, some practices that were condoned historically
(e.g., child labor) are now condemned, at least in certain countries.
"A larger question is whether a parenting practice is acceptable,
regardless of whether it occurs commonly within a cultural group."

###

Summarized from Child Development, Vol. 76, Issue 6, Physical
Discipline and Children's Adjustment: Cultural Normativeness as a
Moderator by Lansford JE. Dodge KA Malone PS and Quinn N. (Duke
University), Chang L (Chinese University of Hong Kong), Oburu P and
Palmérus K (Göteborg University), Bacchini D (University of Naples),
Pastorelli C and Bombi AS (Rome University), Zelli A (Istituto
Universitario di Scienze Motorie), Tapanya S(Chiang Mai University),
Chaudhary N (University of Delhi), Deater-Deckard K (University of
Oregon), and Manke B (California State University, Long Beach).
Copyright 2005 The Society for Research in Child Development, Inc. All
rights reserved.

Note: This story has been adapted from a news release issued by Society
for Research in Child Development.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/11/051114110820.htm
....

Doan

March 5th 07, 06:02 AM

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:

> Doan wrote:
> > On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >
> >> Doan wrote:
> >>> Where were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they find
> >>> the same CORRELATIONS with non-cp alternatives?
> >> What was the study premise, Doan. Read the first two paragraphs. And
> >> then go back to your original claim about Black children and CP with
> >> this in mind:
> >>
> > The studies wasn't about Black children, STUPID. However the authors
> > did say:
> > "One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
> > recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
> > groups,"
>
> Yep, and you've ignored the rest.
>
So what is the role of cultures?

> As for black children, what do you usually call African children?

African!

> >
> > Do you always like making a fool of yourself, Kane? Hihihi!
>
> I couldn't keep up with you doing it to yourself even if I tried, Doan.
>
You kept making a fool of yourself effortlessly, Kane. Just like when
you attempt to use Senderbase.org as a proxy checker. And when you
tried to explain how Alina's ip address is a "fictitious address".
It just expose your STUPIDITY and you LIES when you said you have
experience with computers long before Al Gore invented the internet.
Hihihi!

> >
> > Doan
> >
>
> Why did you to take to Gregorizing, Doan? Can't argue with the full
> information in front of the reader?
>
> They'll see too easily what you really are?
>
> Try reading again, what you quoted above, Doan.
>
> It doesn't say there is a need for caution in making recommendations
> about parenting practices.
>
Hihihi! You are exposing your STUPIDITY again.

Doan

> Just about across different cultural groups.
>
> There are plenty of black people that do not go along with the "spanking
> is good for black children," kant.
>
> That would be within the culture and doubtless constitutes a
> recommendation.
>
> In fact I see a lot of claims about "the black community" and it's
> universal acceptance of spanking, but being made by whites, Doan.
>
> I'd have to say that's a bit of cross cultural intrusion, wouldn't you?
>
> When I want to know what a person of another ethnicity thinks I ask. And
> I don't repeat what they say unless I read or hear them say it.
>
> Do you know the name, Poussaint?
>
> http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2812/corporal_punishment_hidden_costs/
>
> "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical
> School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long
> opposed the use of corporal punishment.
>
> His major argument is simple: “the use of corporal punishment teaches
> children that violence is the way to solve problems.” Poussaint, who was
> an adviser to the popular program “The Cosby Show,” says corporal
> punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
> black community.
>
> At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
> and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
> as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
> pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
> that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.
>
> “There’s an overuse of beating kids,” he said, breaking a major taboo
> among black leadership by raising this issue. “So that you have 80
> percent of black parents believing you should beat them—beat the devil
> out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
> get.”
>
> High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
> anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice’s Bureau of
> Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
> Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.
>
> In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
> murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
> fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
> five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
> ten times the white rate.
>
> Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
> segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
> supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
> behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
> responsibility and cultural standards.
>
> There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint’s
> anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn’t make sense is
> that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
> corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.
>
> One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
> spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
> spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
> African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
> harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment they’re sure to
> receive in the Untied States.
>
> But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
> prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
> doesn’t work. "
>
> Author, Corporal Punishment’s Hidden Costs
> By Salim Muwakkil
> In These Times, September 8, 2006
>
> I've a hunch he's Black.
>
> Assigning universal attributes to a culture is very tricky business
> under any circumstances.
>
> Even the researchers in the International study didn't go for that.
>
> They made plain that cultural beliefs and actual performance
> varied...the point of the study.
>
> I suggest YOU stop speaking for the Black community, Doan, as you have
> been inclined to do on this issue, making claims
> you have been completely unable to support.
>
> Or, go over to "Black Studies," and speak directly to them.
>
> http://www.usc.edu/dept/publications/cat2006/schools/college/amst/african_american.html
>
> Tell them you know their story and their beliefs better than they do.
>
> 0:-]
>
> I'd say the following are some fair heavyweights in the Black Community,
> wouldn't you? Though not everyone is going to agree with them, of course.
>
> PROCLAMATION signed by African American Leaders
> OPPOSING SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT
>
> WHEREAS, corporal punishment is defined as the intentional infliction of
> physical pain for purposes of stopping or preventing misbehavior, and
>
> WHEREAS, corporal punishment in schools is disproportionately used on
> African-American children, and
>
> WHEREAS, anger and violence can get out of control with corporal
> punishment causing injuries such as bleeding, bruises, and broken bones, and
>
> WHEREAS, corporal punishment conveys a message to children that violence
> is an acceptable method for dealing with conflict, and
>
> WHEREAS, overwhelming evidence suggests that other methods of discipline
> work better like setting reasonable rules and standards, correcting
> children in a respectful, non-violent and consistent manner, praise and
> reward for appropriate behavior.
>
> WHEREAS, all children deserve to be able to learn in a safe and
> supportive learning environment free from corporal punishment.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, we urge all school boards to ban corporal punishment and
> we urge state legislators in all states allowing its use to pass
> legislation ending school corporal punishment.
>
>
>
> SIGNATURES OF AFRICAN AMERICAN LEADERS ON A PROCLAMATION CALLING FOR A
> BAN ON SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT 12-04
> Dr. Alvin Poussaint Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School and
> Judge Baker Children's Center; Boston, MA
> Julian Bond Chairman of the Board of NAACP, Baltimore, MD
> Kweisi Mfume Past President & CEO of NAACP; Baltimore, MD
> Reverend Jesse Jackson, Sr. Founder & President of PUSH/EXCEL; Chicago, IL
> Marc H. Morial President & CEO of Urban League; New York, NY
> Dr. Michelle Clark Committee on Black Psychiatrists, American
> Psychiatric Assn.; Los Angeles, CA
> Dr. Winston Price President of National Medical Association; Washington, DC
> Marion Wright Edelman President of Children's Defense Fund; Washington, DC
> Dr. Deloris M. Saunders President of National Alliance of Black School
> Educators; Washington, DC
> Dr. Michael Lomax President & CEO of United Negro College Fund; Fairfax, VA
> Brother Reynaldo S. Taylor President, Nat'l Black Catholic Seminarian
> Assn; Cincinnati, OH
> Bishop E. Earl McCloud Ecumenical Officer, AME Church; Atlanta, GA
> Bishop Phillip Robert Cousin Fourth Episcopal District, AME Church;
> Chicago, IL
> Bishop Cornal Garnett Henning Eighth Episcopal District, AME Church;
> New Orleans, LA
> Bishop McKinley Young Eleventh Episcopal District, AME Church;
> Jacksonville, FL
> Dr. Carl C. Bell President & CEO of Community Mental Health Council;
> Chicago, IL
> Dr. Marilyn Benoit Past President of American Academy of Child and
> Adolescent Psychiatry; Washington, DC
> Yvette McGee Brown President of Child and Family Advocacy Center;
> Columbus, OH
> Reverend Fred L. Shuttlesworth Past President of Southern Christian
> Leadership Conference
> Judith Jackson President of National Association of Black Social
> Workers; Washington, DC
>
> Compiled by Dr. Alvin Poussaint and EPOCH-USA (End Physical Punishment
> of Children), Columbus, OH 43215, Nadine Block Co-Chair www.stophitting.org
>
> For more information on the problems of corporal punishment and
> especially its effects on the African-American population, please see
> the Fact Sheet on Corporal Punishment.
>

0:->

March 5th 07, 06:03 AM

0:-> wrote:

Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.

Or give me an address and I'll send you an envelope and postage.

0:]

> Doan wrote:
>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>>
>>> Doan wrote:
>>>> Where were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they find
>>>> the same CORRELATIONS with non-cp alternatives?
>>> What was the study premise, Doan. Read the first two paragraphs. And
>>> then go back to your original claim about Black children and CP with
>>> this in mind:
>>>
>> The studies wasn't about Black children, STUPID. However the authors
>> did say:
>> "One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
>> recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
>> groups,"
>
> Yep, and you've ignored the rest.
>
> As for black children, what do you usually call African children?
>>
>> Do you always like making a fool of yourself, Kane? Hihihi!
>
> I couldn't keep up with you doing it to yourself even if I tried, Doan.
>
>>
>> Doan
>>
>
> Why did you to take to Gregorizing, Doan? Can't argue with the full
> information in front of the reader?
>
> They'll see too easily what you really are?
>
> Try reading again, what you quoted above, Doan.
>
> It doesn't say there is a need for caution in making recommendations
> about parenting practices.
>
> Just about across different cultural groups.
>
> There are plenty of black people that do not go along with the "spanking
> is good for black children," kant.
>
> That would be within the culture and doubtless constitutes a
> recommendation.
>
> In fact I see a lot of claims about "the black community" and it's
> universal acceptance of spanking, but being made by whites, Doan.
>
> I'd have to say that's a bit of cross cultural intrusion, wouldn't you?
>
> When I want to know what a person of another ethnicity thinks I ask. And
> I don't repeat what they say unless I read or hear them say it.
>
> Do you know the name, Poussaint?
>
> http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2812/corporal_punishment_hidden_costs/
>
> "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical
> School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long
> opposed the use of corporal punishment.
>
> His major argument is simple: “the use of corporal punishment teaches
> children that violence is the way to solve problems.” Poussaint, who was
> an adviser to the popular program “The Cosby Show,” says corporal
> punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
> black community.
>
> At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
> and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
> as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
> pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
> that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.
>
> “There’s an overuse of beating kids,” he said, breaking a major taboo
> among black leadership by raising this issue. “So that you have 80
> percent of black parents believing you should beat them—beat the devil
> out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
> get.”
>
> High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
> anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice’s Bureau of
> Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
> Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.
>
> In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
> murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
> fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
> five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
> ten times the white rate.
>
> Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
> segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
> supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
> behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
> responsibility and cultural standards.
>
> There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint’s
> anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn’t make sense is
> that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
> corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.
>
> One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
> spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
> spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
> African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
> harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment they’re sure to
> receive in the Untied States.
>
> But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
> prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
> doesn’t work. "
>
> Author, Corporal Punishment’s Hidden Costs
> By Salim Muwakkil
> In These Times, September 8, 2006
>
> I've a hunch he's Black.
>
> Assigning universal attributes to a culture is very tricky business
> under any circumstances.
>
> Even the researchers in the International study didn't go for that.
>
> They made plain that cultural beliefs and actual performance
> varied...the point of the study.
>
> I suggest YOU stop speaking for the Black community, Doan, as you have
> been inclined to do on this issue, making claims
> you have been completely unable to support.
>
> Or, go over to "Black Studies," and speak directly to them.
>
> http://www.usc.edu/dept/publications/cat2006/schools/college/amst/african_american.html
>
>
> Tell them you know their story and their beliefs better than they do.
>
> 0:-]
>
> I'd say the following are some fair heavyweights in the Black Community,
> wouldn't you? Though not everyone is going to agree with them, of course.
>
> PROCLAMATION signed by African American Leaders
> OPPOSING SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT
>
> WHEREAS, corporal punishment is defined as the intentional infliction of
> physical pain for purposes of stopping or preventing misbehavior, and
>
> WHEREAS, corporal punishment in schools is disproportionately used on
> African-American children, and
>
> WHEREAS, anger and violence can get out of control with corporal
> punishment causing injuries such as bleeding, bruises, and broken bones,
> and
>
> WHEREAS, corporal punishment conveys a message to children that violence
> is an acceptable method for dealing with conflict, and
>
> WHEREAS, overwhelming evidence suggests that other methods of discipline
> work better like setting reasonable rules and standards, correcting
> children in a respectful, non-violent and consistent manner, praise and
> reward for appropriate behavior.
>
> WHEREAS, all children deserve to be able to learn in a safe and
> supportive learning environment free from corporal punishment.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, we urge all school boards to ban corporal punishment and
> we urge state legislators in all states allowing its use to pass
> legislation ending school corporal punishment.
>
>
>
> SIGNATURES OF AFRICAN AMERICAN LEADERS ON A PROCLAMATION CALLING FOR A
> BAN ON SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT 12-04
> Dr. Alvin Poussaint Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School
> and Judge Baker Children's Center; Boston, MA
> Julian Bond Chairman of the Board of NAACP, Baltimore, MD
> Kweisi Mfume Past President & CEO of NAACP; Baltimore, MD
> Reverend Jesse Jackson, Sr. Founder & President of PUSH/EXCEL;
> Chicago, IL
> Marc H. Morial President & CEO of Urban League; New York, NY
> Dr. Michelle Clark Committee on Black Psychiatrists, American
> Psychiatric Assn.; Los Angeles, CA
> Dr. Winston Price President of National Medical Association;
> Washington, DC
> Marion Wright Edelman President of Children's Defense Fund;
> Washington, DC
> Dr. Deloris M. Saunders President of National Alliance of Black
> School Educators; Washington, DC
> Dr. Michael Lomax President & CEO of United Negro College Fund;
> Fairfax, VA
> Brother Reynaldo S. Taylor President, Nat'l Black Catholic
> Seminarian Assn; Cincinnati, OH
> Bishop E. Earl McCloud Ecumenical Officer, AME Church; Atlanta, GA
> Bishop Phillip Robert Cousin Fourth Episcopal District, AME Church;
> Chicago, IL
> Bishop Cornal Garnett Henning Eighth Episcopal District, AME Church;
> New Orleans, LA
> Bishop McKinley Young Eleventh Episcopal District, AME Church;
> Jacksonville, FL
> Dr. Carl C. Bell President & CEO of Community Mental Health Council;
> Chicago, IL
> Dr. Marilyn Benoit Past President of American Academy of Child and
> Adolescent Psychiatry; Washington, DC
> Yvette McGee Brown President of Child and Family Advocacy Center;
> Columbus, OH
> Reverend Fred L. Shuttlesworth Past President of Southern Christian
> Leadership Conference
> Judith Jackson President of National Association of Black Social
> Workers; Washington, DC
>
> Compiled by Dr. Alvin Poussaint and EPOCH-USA (End Physical Punishment
> of Children), Columbus, OH 43215, Nadine Block Co-Chair www.stophitting.org
>
> For more information on the problems of corporal punishment and
> especially its effects on the African-American population, please see
> the Fact Sheet on Corporal Punishment.

0:->

March 5th 07, 06:06 AM

Doan wrote:

.....snip....

Alina's

...snip....

Apparently you don't really want to debate.

Let me know when you do by recognizing I'm not going to discuss this
issue with you further.

I did not care one way or the other. It was an object lesson for you.
And you got it or you wouldn't be worrying it now trying to dodge real
debate...as usual.

Kane

Doan

March 5th 07, 06:10 AM

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:

> 0:-> wrote:
>
> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
>
> Or give me an address and I'll send you an envelope and postage.
>
> 0:]
>
Glad to. Send me a SASE to:
Doan
1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90089

Hihihi!

> > Doan wrote:
> >> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Doan wrote:
> >>>> Where were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they find
> >>>> the same CORRELATIONS with non-cp alternatives?
> >>> What was the study premise, Doan. Read the first two paragraphs. And
> >>> then go back to your original claim about Black children and CP with
> >>> this in mind:
> >>>
> >> The studies wasn't about Black children, STUPID. However the authors
> >> did say:
> >> "One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
> >> recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
> >> groups,"
> >
> > Yep, and you've ignored the rest.
> >
> > As for black children, what do you usually call African children?
> >>
> >> Do you always like making a fool of yourself, Kane? Hihihi!
> >
> > I couldn't keep up with you doing it to yourself even if I tried, Doan.
> >
> >>
> >> Doan
> >>
> >
> > Why did you to take to Gregorizing, Doan? Can't argue with the full
> > information in front of the reader?
> >
> > They'll see too easily what you really are?
> >
> > Try reading again, what you quoted above, Doan.
> >
> > It doesn't say there is a need for caution in making recommendations
> > about parenting practices.
> >
> > Just about across different cultural groups.
> >
> > There are plenty of black people that do not go along with the "spanking
> > is good for black children," kant.
> >
> > That would be within the culture and doubtless constitutes a
> > recommendation.
> >
> > In fact I see a lot of claims about "the black community" and it's
> > universal acceptance of spanking, but being made by whites, Doan.
> >
> > I'd have to say that's a bit of cross cultural intrusion, wouldn't you?
> >
> > When I want to know what a person of another ethnicity thinks I ask. And
> > I don't repeat what they say unless I read or hear them say it.
> >
> > Do you know the name, Poussaint?
> >
> > http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2812/corporal_punishment_hidden_costs/
> >
> > "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical
> > School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long
> > opposed the use of corporal punishment.
> >
> > His major argument is simple: “the use of corporal punishment teaches
> > children that violence is the way to solve problems.” Poussaint, who was
> > an adviser to the popular program “The Cosby Show,” says corporal
> > punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
> > black community.
> >
> > At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
> > and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
> > as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
> > pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
> > that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.
> >
> > “There’s an overuse of beating kids,” he said, breaking a major taboo
> > among black leadership by raising this issue. “So that you have 80
> > percent of black parents believing you should beat them—beat the devil
> > out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
> > get.”
> >
> > High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
> > anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice’s Bureau of
> > Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
> > Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.
> >
> > In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
> > murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
> > fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
> > five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
> > ten times the white rate.
> >
> > Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
> > segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
> > supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
> > behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
> > responsibility and cultural standards.
> >
> > There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint’s
> > anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn’t make sense is
> > that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
> > corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.
> >
> > One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
> > spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
> > spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
> > African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
> > harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment they’re sure to
> > receive in the Untied States.
> >
> > But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
> > prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
> > doesn’t work. "
> >
> > Author, Corporal Punishment’s Hidden Costs
> > By Salim Muwakkil
> > In These Times, September 8, 2006
> >
> > I've a hunch he's Black.
> >
> > Assigning universal attributes to a culture is very tricky business
> > under any circumstances.
> >
> > Even the researchers in the International study didn't go for that.
> >
> > They made plain that cultural beliefs and actual performance
> > varied...the point of the study.
> >
> > I suggest YOU stop speaking for the Black community, Doan, as you have
> > been inclined to do on this issue, making claims
> > you have been completely unable to support.
> >
> > Or, go over to "Black Studies," and speak directly to them.
> >
> > http://www.usc.edu/dept/publications/cat2006/schools/college/amst/african_american.html
> >
> >
> > Tell them you know their story and their beliefs better than they do.
> >
> > 0:-]
> >
> > I'd say the following are some fair heavyweights in the Black Community,
> > wouldn't you? Though not everyone is going to agree with them, of course.
> >
> > PROCLAMATION signed by African American Leaders
> > OPPOSING SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT
> >
> > WHEREAS, corporal punishment is defined as the intentional infliction of
> > physical pain for purposes of stopping or preventing misbehavior, and
> >
> > WHEREAS, corporal punishment in schools is disproportionately used on
> > African-American children, and
> >
> > WHEREAS, anger and violence can get out of control with corporal
> > punishment causing injuries such as bleeding, bruises, and broken bones,
> > and
> >
> > WHEREAS, corporal punishment conveys a message to children that violence
> > is an acceptable method for dealing with conflict, and
> >
> > WHEREAS, overwhelming evidence suggests that other methods of discipline
> > work better like setting reasonable rules and standards, correcting
> > children in a respectful, non-violent and consistent manner, praise and
> > reward for appropriate behavior.
> >
> > WHEREAS, all children deserve to be able to learn in a safe and
> > supportive learning environment free from corporal punishment.
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, we urge all school boards to ban corporal punishment and
> > we urge state legislators in all states allowing its use to pass
> > legislation ending school corporal punishment.
> >
> >
> >
> > SIGNATURES OF AFRICAN AMERICAN LEADERS ON A PROCLAMATION CALLING FOR A
> > BAN ON SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT 12-04
> > Dr. Alvin Poussaint Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School
> > and Judge Baker Children's Center; Boston, MA
> > Julian Bond Chairman of the Board of NAACP, Baltimore, MD
> > Kweisi Mfume Past President & CEO of NAACP; Baltimore, MD
> > Reverend Jesse Jackson, Sr. Founder & President of PUSH/EXCEL;
> > Chicago, IL
> > Marc H. Morial President & CEO of Urban League; New York, NY
> > Dr. Michelle Clark Committee on Black Psychiatrists, American
> > Psychiatric Assn.; Los Angeles, CA
> > Dr. Winston Price President of National Medical Association;
> > Washington, DC
> > Marion Wright Edelman President of Children's Defense Fund;
> > Washington, DC
> > Dr. Deloris M. Saunders President of National Alliance of Black
> > School Educators; Washington, DC
> > Dr. Michael Lomax President & CEO of United Negro College Fund;
> > Fairfax, VA
> > Brother Reynaldo S. Taylor President, Nat'l Black Catholic
> > Seminarian Assn; Cincinnati, OH
> > Bishop E. Earl McCloud Ecumenical Officer, AME Church; Atlanta, GA
> > Bishop Phillip Robert Cousin Fourth Episcopal District, AME Church;
> > Chicago, IL
> > Bishop Cornal Garnett Henning Eighth Episcopal District, AME Church;
> > New Orleans, LA
> > Bishop McKinley Young Eleventh Episcopal District, AME Church;
> > Jacksonville, FL
> > Dr. Carl C. Bell President & CEO of Community Mental Health Council;
> > Chicago, IL
> > Dr. Marilyn Benoit Past President of American Academy of Child and
> > Adolescent Psychiatry; Washington, DC
> > Yvette McGee Brown President of Child and Family Advocacy Center;
> > Columbus, OH
> > Reverend Fred L. Shuttlesworth Past President of Southern Christian
> > Leadership Conference
> > Judith Jackson President of National Association of Black Social
> > Workers; Washington, DC
> >
> > Compiled by Dr. Alvin Poussaint and EPOCH-USA (End Physical Punishment
> > of Children), Columbus, OH 43215, Nadine Block Co-Chair www.stophitting.org
> >
> > For more information on the problems of corporal punishment and
> > especially its effects on the African-American population, please see
> > the Fact Sheet on Corporal Punishment.
>
>

Doan

March 5th 07, 06:12 AM

Hihihi! Kane is caught with a LIE and is trying hard to extrictate
himself. The PROVEN liar is what Kane is?

Doan

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:

> Doan wrote:
>
> ....snip....
>
> Alina's
>
> ..snip....
>
> Apparently you don't really want to debate.
>
> Let me know when you do by recognizing I'm not going to discuss this
> issue with you further.
>
> I did not care one way or the other. It was an object lesson for you.
> And you got it or you wouldn't be worrying it now trying to dodge real
> debate...as usual.
>
> Kane
>

Doan

March 5th 07, 06:15 AM

Kane,
I tried putting your ip address into the Senderbase site and guess what?
It said that you are using a "fictitous address"!!! Hihihi!

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Doan

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:

> Doan wrote:
>
> ....snip....
>
> Alina's
>
> ..snip....
>
> Apparently you don't really want to debate.
>
> Let me know when you do by recognizing I'm not going to discuss this
> issue with you further.
>
> I did not care one way or the other. It was an object lesson for you.
> And you got it or you wouldn't be worrying it now trying to dodge real
> debate...as usual.
>
> Kane
>

0:-]

March 5th 07, 03:22 PM

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:02:05 -0800, Doan > wrote:

.....Doan refused again to debate the subject, at this time his take on
the role of spanking in the Black community....

Now why would he keep dodging this?

Anything to do with his claims being bogus and his refusal to submit
evidence that actually supports his position?

Will he even state his position clearly?

.....snip the nonsense dodging and back, Doan, to the subject....

So?

>
>> Just about across different cultural groups.
>>
>> There are plenty of black people that do not go along with the "spanking
>> is good for black children," kant.
>>
>> That would be within the culture and doubtless constitutes a
>> recommendation.
>>
>> In fact I see a lot of claims about "the black community" and it's
>> universal acceptance of spanking, but being made by whites, Doan.
>>
>> I'd have to say that's a bit of cross cultural intrusion, wouldn't you?
>>
>> When I want to know what a person of another ethnicity thinks I ask. And
>> I don't repeat what they say unless I read or hear them say it.
>>
>> Do you know the name, Poussaint?
>>
>> http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2812/corporal_punishment_hidden_costs/
>>
>> "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical
>> School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long
>> opposed the use of corporal punishment.
>>
>> His major argument is simple: “the use of corporal punishment teaches
>> children that violence is the way to solve problems.” Poussaint, who was
>> an adviser to the popular program “The Cosby Show,” says corporal
>> punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
>> black community.
>>
>> At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
>> and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
>> as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
>> pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
>> that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.
>>
>> “There’s an overuse of beating kids,” he said, breaking a major taboo
>> among black leadership by raising this issue. “So that you have 80
>> percent of black parents believing you should beat them—beat the devil
>> out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
>> get.”
>>
>> High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
>> anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice’s Bureau of
>> Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
>> Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.
>>
>> In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
>> murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
>> fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
>> five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
>> ten times the white rate.
>>
>> Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
>> segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
>> supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
>> behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
>> responsibility and cultural standards.
>>
>> There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint’s
>> anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn’t make sense is
>> that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
>> corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.
>>
>> One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
>> spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
>> spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
>> African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
>> harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment they’re sure to
>> receive in the Untied States.
>>
>> But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
>> prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
>> doesn’t work. "
>>
>> Author, Corporal Punishment’s Hidden Costs
>> By Salim Muwakkil
>> In These Times, September 8, 2006
>>
>> I've a hunch he's Black.
>>
>> Assigning universal attributes to a culture is very tricky business
>> under any circumstances.
>>
>> Even the researchers in the International study didn't go for that.
>>
>> They made plain that cultural beliefs and actual performance
>> varied...the point of the study.
>>
>> I suggest YOU stop speaking for the Black community, Doan, as you have
>> been inclined to do on this issue, making claims
>> you have been completely unable to support.
>>
>> Or, go over to "Black Studies," and speak directly to them.
>>
>> http://www.usc.edu/dept/publications/cat2006/schools/college/amst/african_american.html
>>
>> Tell them you know their story and their beliefs better than they do.
>>
>> 0:-]
>>
>> I'd say the following are some fair heavyweights in the Black Community,
>> wouldn't you? Though not everyone is going to agree with them, of course.
>>
>> PROCLAMATION signed by African American Leaders
>> OPPOSING SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT
>>
>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment is defined as the intentional infliction of
>> physical pain for purposes of stopping or preventing misbehavior, and
>>
>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment in schools is disproportionately used on
>> African-American children, and
>>
>> WHEREAS, anger and violence can get out of control with corporal
>> punishment causing injuries such as bleeding, bruises, and broken bones, and
>>
>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment conveys a message to children that violence
>> is an acceptable method for dealing with conflict, and
>>
>> WHEREAS, overwhelming evidence suggests that other methods of discipline
>> work better like setting reasonable rules and standards, correcting
>> children in a respectful, non-violent and consistent manner, praise and
>> reward for appropriate behavior.
>>
>> WHEREAS, all children deserve to be able to learn in a safe and
>> supportive learning environment free from corporal punishment.
>>
>> NOW, THEREFORE, we urge all school boards to ban corporal punishment and
>> we urge state legislators in all states allowing its use to pass
>> legislation ending school corporal punishment.
>>
>>
>>
>> SIGNATURES OF AFRICAN AMERICAN LEADERS ON A PROCLAMATION CALLING FOR A
>> BAN ON SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT 12-04
>> Dr. Alvin Poussaint Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School and
>> Judge Baker Children's Center; Boston, MA
>> Julian Bond Chairman of the Board of NAACP, Baltimore, MD
>> Kweisi Mfume Past President & CEO of NAACP; Baltimore, MD
>> Reverend Jesse Jackson, Sr. Founder & President of PUSH/EXCEL; Chicago, IL
>> Marc H. Morial President & CEO of Urban League; New York, NY
>> Dr. Michelle Clark Committee on Black Psychiatrists, American
>> Psychiatric Assn.; Los Angeles, CA
>> Dr. Winston Price President of National Medical Association; Washington, DC
>> Marion Wright Edelman President of Children's Defense Fund; Washington, DC
>> Dr. Deloris M. Saunders President of National Alliance of Black School
>> Educators; Washington, DC
>> Dr. Michael Lomax President & CEO of United Negro College Fund; Fairfax, VA
>> Brother Reynaldo S. Taylor President, Nat'l Black Catholic Seminarian
>> Assn; Cincinnati, OH
>> Bishop E. Earl McCloud Ecumenical Officer, AME Church; Atlanta, GA
>> Bishop Phillip Robert Cousin Fourth Episcopal District, AME Church;
>> Chicago, IL
>> Bishop Cornal Garnett Henning Eighth Episcopal District, AME Church;
>> New Orleans, LA
>> Bishop McKinley Young Eleventh Episcopal District, AME Church;
>> Jacksonville, FL
>> Dr. Carl C. Bell President & CEO of Community Mental Health Council;
>> Chicago, IL
>> Dr. Marilyn Benoit Past President of American Academy of Child and
>> Adolescent Psychiatry; Washington, DC
>> Yvette McGee Brown President of Child and Family Advocacy Center;
>> Columbus, OH
>> Reverend Fred L. Shuttlesworth Past President of Southern Christian
>> Leadership Conference
>> Judith Jackson President of National Association of Black Social
>> Workers; Washington, DC
>>
>> Compiled by Dr. Alvin Poussaint and EPOCH-USA (End Physical Punishment
>> of Children), Columbus, OH 43215, Nadine Block Co-Chair www.stophitting.org
>>
>> For more information on the problems of corporal punishment and
>> especially its effects on the African-American population, please see
>> the Fact Sheet on Corporal Punishment.
>>

0:-]

March 5th 07, 03:28 PM

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:10:46 -0800, Doan > wrote:

>On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>
>> 0:-> wrote:
>>
>> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
>>
>> Or give me an address and I'll send you an envelope and postage.
>>
>> 0:]
>>
>Glad to. Send me a SASE to:
>Doan
>1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
>Los Angeles, CA 90089

You forgot the postage amount.

>
>Hihihi!
>
>
>> > Doan wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Doan wrote:
>> >>>> Where were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they find
>> >>>> the same CORRELATIONS with non-cp alternatives?
>> >>> What was the study premise, Doan. Read the first two paragraphs. And
>> >>> then go back to your original claim about Black children and CP with
>> >>> this in mind:
>> >>>
>> >> The studies wasn't about Black children, STUPID. However the authors
>> >> did say:
>> >> "One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
>> >> recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
>> >> groups,"
>> >
>> > Yep, and you've ignored the rest.
>> >
>> > As for black children, what do you usually call African children?
>> >>
>> >> Do you always like making a fool of yourself, Kane? Hihihi!
>> >
>> > I couldn't keep up with you doing it to yourself even if I tried, Doan.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Doan
>> >>
>> >
>> > Why did you to take to Gregorizing, Doan? Can't argue with the full
>> > information in front of the reader?
>> >
>> > They'll see too easily what you really are?
>> >
>> > Try reading again, what you quoted above, Doan.
>> >
>> > It doesn't say there is a need for caution in making recommendations
>> > about parenting practices.
>> >
>> > Just about across different cultural groups.
>> >
>> > There are plenty of black people that do not go along with the "spanking
>> > is good for black children," kant.
>> >
>> > That would be within the culture and doubtless constitutes a
>> > recommendation.
>> >
>> > In fact I see a lot of claims about "the black community" and it's
>> > universal acceptance of spanking, but being made by whites, Doan.
>> >
>> > I'd have to say that's a bit of cross cultural intrusion, wouldn't you?
>> >
>> > When I want to know what a person of another ethnicity thinks I ask. And
>> > I don't repeat what they say unless I read or hear them say it.
>> >
>> > Do you know the name, Poussaint?
>> >
>> > http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2812/corporal_punishment_hidden_costs/
>> >
>> > "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical
>> > School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long
>> > opposed the use of corporal punishment.
>> >
>> > His major argument is simple: “the use of corporal punishment teaches
>> > children that violence is the way to solve problems.” Poussaint, who was
>> > an adviser to the popular program “The Cosby Show,” says corporal
>> > punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
>> > black community.
>> >
>> > At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
>> > and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
>> > as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
>> > pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
>> > that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.
>> >
>> > “There’s an overuse of beating kids,” he said, breaking a major taboo
>> > among black leadership by raising this issue. “So that you have 80
>> > percent of black parents believing you should beat them—beat the devil
>> > out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
>> > get.”
>> >
>> > High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
>> > anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice’s Bureau of
>> > Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
>> > Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.
>> >
>> > In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
>> > murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
>> > fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
>> > five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
>> > ten times the white rate.
>> >
>> > Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
>> > segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
>> > supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
>> > behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
>> > responsibility and cultural standards.
>> >
>> > There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint’s
>> > anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn’t make sense is
>> > that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
>> > corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.
>> >
>> > One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
>> > spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
>> > spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
>> > African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
>> > harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment they’re sure to
>> > receive in the Untied States.
>> >
>> > But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
>> > prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
>> > doesn’t work. "
>> >
>> > Author, Corporal Punishment’s Hidden Costs
>> > By Salim Muwakkil
>> > In These Times, September 8, 2006
>> >
>> > I've a hunch he's Black.
>> >
>> > Assigning universal attributes to a culture is very tricky business
>> > under any circumstances.
>> >
>> > Even the researchers in the International study didn't go for that.
>> >
>> > They made plain that cultural beliefs and actual performance
>> > varied...the point of the study.
>> >
>> > I suggest YOU stop speaking for the Black community, Doan, as you have
>> > been inclined to do on this issue, making claims
>> > you have been completely unable to support.
>> >
>> > Or, go over to "Black Studies," and speak directly to them.
>> >
>> > http://www.usc.edu/dept/publications/cat2006/schools/college/amst/african_american.html
>> >
>> >
>> > Tell them you know their story and their beliefs better than they do.
>> >
>> > 0:-]
>> >
>> > I'd say the following are some fair heavyweights in the Black Community,
>> > wouldn't you? Though not everyone is going to agree with them, of course.
>> >
>> > PROCLAMATION signed by African American Leaders
>> > OPPOSING SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, corporal punishment is defined as the intentional infliction of
>> > physical pain for purposes of stopping or preventing misbehavior, and
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, corporal punishment in schools is disproportionately used on
>> > African-American children, and
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, anger and violence can get out of control with corporal
>> > punishment causing injuries such as bleeding, bruises, and broken bones,
>> > and
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, corporal punishment conveys a message to children that violence
>> > is an acceptable method for dealing with conflict, and
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, overwhelming evidence suggests that other methods of discipline
>> > work better like setting reasonable rules and standards, correcting
>> > children in a respectful, non-violent and consistent manner, praise and
>> > reward for appropriate behavior.
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, all children deserve to be able to learn in a safe and
>> > supportive learning environment free from corporal punishment.
>> >
>> > NOW, THEREFORE, we urge all school boards to ban corporal punishment and
>> > we urge state legislators in all states allowing its use to pass
>> > legislation ending school corporal punishment.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > SIGNATURES OF AFRICAN AMERICAN LEADERS ON A PROCLAMATION CALLING FOR A
>> > BAN ON SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT 12-04
>> > Dr. Alvin Poussaint Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School
>> > and Judge Baker Children's Center; Boston, MA
>> > Julian Bond Chairman of the Board of NAACP, Baltimore, MD
>> > Kweisi Mfume Past President & CEO of NAACP; Baltimore, MD
>> > Reverend Jesse Jackson, Sr. Founder & President of PUSH/EXCEL;
>> > Chicago, IL
>> > Marc H. Morial President & CEO of Urban League; New York, NY
>> > Dr. Michelle Clark Committee on Black Psychiatrists, American
>> > Psychiatric Assn.; Los Angeles, CA
>> > Dr. Winston Price President of National Medical Association;
>> > Washington, DC
>> > Marion Wright Edelman President of Children's Defense Fund;
>> > Washington, DC
>> > Dr. Deloris M. Saunders President of National Alliance of Black
>> > School Educators; Washington, DC
>> > Dr. Michael Lomax President & CEO of United Negro College Fund;
>> > Fairfax, VA
>> > Brother Reynaldo S. Taylor President, Nat'l Black Catholic
>> > Seminarian Assn; Cincinnati, OH
>> > Bishop E. Earl McCloud Ecumenical Officer, AME Church; Atlanta, GA
>> > Bishop Phillip Robert Cousin Fourth Episcopal District, AME Church;
>> > Chicago, IL
>> > Bishop Cornal Garnett Henning Eighth Episcopal District, AME Church;
>> > New Orleans, LA
>> > Bishop McKinley Young Eleventh Episcopal District, AME Church;
>> > Jacksonville, FL
>> > Dr. Carl C. Bell President & CEO of Community Mental Health Council;
>> > Chicago, IL
>> > Dr. Marilyn Benoit Past President of American Academy of Child and
>> > Adolescent Psychiatry; Washington, DC
>> > Yvette McGee Brown President of Child and Family Advocacy Center;
>> > Columbus, OH
>> > Reverend Fred L. Shuttlesworth Past President of Southern Christian
>> > Leadership Conference
>> > Judith Jackson President of National Association of Black Social
>> > Workers; Washington, DC
>> >
>> > Compiled by Dr. Alvin Poussaint and EPOCH-USA (End Physical Punishment
>> > of Children), Columbus, OH 43215, Nadine Block Co-Chair www.stophitting.org
>> >
>> > For more information on the problems of corporal punishment and
>> > especially its effects on the African-American population, please see
>> > the Fact Sheet on Corporal Punishment.
>>
>>

0:-]

March 5th 07, 03:51 PM

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:15:40 -0800, Doan > wrote:

>
>Kane,
> I tried putting your ip address into the Senderbase site and guess what?
>It said that you are using a "fictitous address"!!! Hihihi!

The word fictitious does not appear on the page. Why are you lying
again?
>
>Report on IP address: 66.228.25.123

Okay, I will, before ending this post, enter that information and
report it back, and unlike YOU I'll provide the link. Why have you
hidden the link?

And why have you pasted every section of the page, but the one that
DOES have the ISP source ID information, AGAIN, Doan?

Just can't resist lying?
>

The following block of data fields starts on the left upper section of
the page, Doan:
>Volume Statistics for this IP
> Magnitude Vol Change vs. Average
>Last day 0.0 -100%
>Last 30 days 0.0 -100%
>Average 0.0
>

The next block below it is as follows. Roughly left center position:

>Third-party Certification
>Sender Score Certified? Not Certified
>TRUSTe Privacy Seal? Not Certified

The next line is from the top of the block I have referred to
repeatedly.

>Information from whois
>
>Please wait...loading data...
>

And suddenly you record NOTHING, not even paste the blank fields you
claim are there?

Where's the lower left corner block of fields, Doan? They belong right
here.

Didn't your mommy teach you, in between spankings, your left from your
right and top from bottom?

Here's what I get in the whois block...that seems to be missing from
your post...liar.

(stay tuned, because not only am I going to provide you that block,
but unlike YOU I'm going to provide a link so people can see you lied.

This block of information below is the set of fields on the RIGHT side
of the page, and sometimes shows info and sometimes does not. I've
posted all this before, including all blocks of data fields on the
page, but you cut section, AGAIN, that I've noted in prior posts.

Read on.

> Other information about this IP address
>Sender Category unknown
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>Domain unknown
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>Country unknown
>State unknown
>City unknown
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>
>Related links
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>
>Real-time blacklists [ Click to view all ]
>not in any blacklists
>
>
>No address list shown since no email was detected from 66.228.25.0/24.

That is all information BUT the information that matters. The lower
left block. Observe, liar:

http://www.senderbase.org/search?searchString=66.228.25.123

That's my IP for today, the same one you just used.
As you said earlier in the post:
>Report on IP address: 66.228.25.123

And all the page reads exactly as you have posted, except for that
lower left block, Doan, that was blank on running Alina's IP number.

With MINE it says this:

Information from whois [ Click to show details ]
Network Owner: Gorge Networks Inc.
Registered on: 2006-02-16
Updated on: 2006-02-16
Expires on: unknown
Netblock(s): 66.228.16.0/20

And if I "[ Click to show details ]" I get:

OrgName: Gorge Networks Inc.
OrgID: GRGE
Address: 616 Industrial Ste. 401
City: Hood River
StateProv: OR
PostalCode: 97031
Country: US

NetRange: 66.228.16.0 - 66.228.31.255
CIDR: 66.228.16.0/20
NetName: GNBLCK-3
NetHandle: NET-66-228-16-0-1
Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: SERV.GORGE.NET
NameServer: DNS2.GORGE.NET
Comment:
RegDate: 2006-02-16
Updated: 2006-02-16

OrgTechHandle: NETAD59-ARIN
OrgTechName: Netadmin Team
OrgTechPhone: +1-541-386-8300
OrgTechEmail:

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2007-03-04 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
.......

Has Doany gots hims a bokin compooter...?

Or is Doan a lying little fleck of cow ****?

>
>Doan

The fact is Doan, I've found that site from time to time actually
failing to process and entry....that is why I run it many times on an
IP number to see if I can produce results. No matter how many time's I
ran it it would not produce anthing for Alina's IP number.

But on the first run, for myself and others we've done, bingo...full
disclosure.

Maybe you just got a bad run, Doan....what did you call it, "a bug?"

Or you are lying. I tend to think the latter.

Still haven't owned up to lying about Straus's by quoting out of
context, have you Doan?

Still lie about me using the word "concede" don't you, Doan?

Rely almost entirely on just such tricks as this....quoting and
leaving out the relevant information.

Are you under a doctor's care, Doan?

Have you gotten the object lesson yet, or was it too painful and now
you are upping the intensenty on your squirming weasel efforts to
escape the uncomfortable truth about yourself?

That you are a liar.

0:-]

>
>
>On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>
>> Doan wrote:
>>
>> ....snip....
>>
>> Alina's
>>
>> ..snip....
>>
>> Apparently you don't really want to debate.
>>
>> Let me know when you do by recognizing I'm not going to discuss this
>> issue with you further.
>>
>> I did not care one way or the other. It was an object lesson for you.
>> And you got it or you wouldn't be worrying it now trying to dodge real
>> debate...as usual.
>>
>> Kane
>>

Doan

March 5th 07, 05:52 PM

And Empty Kane, once again, try hard to extricate himself from his
own STUPIDITY. Where is the proof that Alina is me as you claimed,
Kane? Where is the proof that Alina is using an anon. proxy as
you claimed, Kane? You were making alot of noises about "fictitous
ip address" but all it really showed is your STUPIDITY and it exposed
you LIES when you claimed that you have experience with computers even
before Al Gore invented the internet.

Doan

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:02:05 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>
> ....Doan refused again to debate the subject, at this time his take on
> the role of spanking in the Black community....
>
> Now why would he keep dodging this?
>
> Anything to do with his claims being bogus and his refusal to submit
> evidence that actually supports his position?
>
> Will he even state his position clearly?
>
> ....snip the nonsense dodging and back, Doan, to the subject....
>
> So?
>
> >
> >> Just about across different cultural groups.
> >>
> >> There are plenty of black people that do not go along with the "spanking
> >> is good for black children," kant.
> >>
> >> That would be within the culture and doubtless constitutes a
> >> recommendation.
> >>
> >> In fact I see a lot of claims about "the black community" and it's
> >> universal acceptance of spanking, but being made by whites, Doan.
> >>
> >> I'd have to say that's a bit of cross cultural intrusion, wouldn't you?
> >>
> >> When I want to know what a person of another ethnicity thinks I ask. And
> >> I don't repeat what they say unless I read or hear them say it.
> >>
> >> Do you know the name, Poussaint?
> >>
> >> http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2812/corporal_punishment_hidden_costs/
> >>
> >> "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical
> >> School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long
> >> opposed the use of corporal punishment.
> >>
> >> His major argument is simple: “the use of corporal punishment teaches
> >> children that violence is the way to solve problems.” Poussaint, who was
> >> an adviser to the popular program “The Cosby Show,” says corporal
> >> punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
> >> black community.
> >>
> >> At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
> >> and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
> >> as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
> >> pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
> >> that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.
> >>
> >> “There’s an overuse of beating kids,” he said, breaking a major taboo
> >> among black leadership by raising this issue. “So that you have 80
> >> percent of black parents believing you should beat them—beat the devil
> >> out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
> >> get.”
> >>
> >> High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
> >> anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice’s Bureau of
> >> Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
> >> Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.
> >>
> >> In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
> >> murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
> >> fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
> >> five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
> >> ten times the white rate.
> >>
> >> Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
> >> segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
> >> supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
> >> behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
> >> responsibility and cultural standards.
> >>
> >> There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint’s
> >> anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn’t make sense is
> >> that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
> >> corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.
> >>
> >> One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
> >> spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
> >> spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
> >> African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
> >> harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment they’re sure to
> >> receive in the Untied States.
> >>
> >> But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
> >> prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
> >> doesn’t work. "
> >>
> >> Author, Corporal Punishment’s Hidden Costs
> >> By Salim Muwakkil
> >> In These Times, September 8, 2006
> >>
> >> I've a hunch he's Black.
> >>
> >> Assigning universal attributes to a culture is very tricky business
> >> under any circumstances.
> >>
> >> Even the researchers in the International study didn't go for that.
> >>
> >> They made plain that cultural beliefs and actual performance
> >> varied...the point of the study.
> >>
> >> I suggest YOU stop speaking for the Black community, Doan, as you have
> >> been inclined to do on this issue, making claims
> >> you have been completely unable to support.
> >>
> >> Or, go over to "Black Studies," and speak directly to them.
> >>
> >> http://www.usc.edu/dept/publications/cat2006/schools/college/amst/african_american.html
> >>
> >> Tell them you know their story and their beliefs better than they do.
> >>
> >> 0:-]
> >>
> >> I'd say the following are some fair heavyweights in the Black Community,
> >> wouldn't you? Though not everyone is going to agree with them, of course.
> >>
> >> PROCLAMATION signed by African American Leaders
> >> OPPOSING SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT
> >>
> >> WHEREAS, corporal punishment is defined as the intentional infliction of
> >> physical pain for purposes of stopping or preventing misbehavior, and
> >>
> >> WHEREAS, corporal punishment in schools is disproportionately used on
> >> African-American children, and
> >>
> >> WHEREAS, anger and violence can get out of control with corporal
> >> punishment causing injuries such as bleeding, bruises, and broken bones, and
> >>
> >> WHEREAS, corporal punishment conveys a message to children that violence
> >> is an acceptable method for dealing with conflict, and
> >>
> >> WHEREAS, overwhelming evidence suggests that other methods of discipline
> >> work better like setting reasonable rules and standards, correcting
> >> children in a respectful, non-violent and consistent manner, praise and
> >> reward for appropriate behavior.
> >>
> >> WHEREAS, all children deserve to be able to learn in a safe and
> >> supportive learning environment free from corporal punishment.
> >>
> >> NOW, THEREFORE, we urge all school boards to ban corporal punishment and
> >> we urge state legislators in all states allowing its use to pass
> >> legislation ending school corporal punishment.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> SIGNATURES OF AFRICAN AMERICAN LEADERS ON A PROCLAMATION CALLING FOR A
> >> BAN ON SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT 12-04
> >> Dr. Alvin Poussaint Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School and
> >> Judge Baker Children's Center; Boston, MA
> >> Julian Bond Chairman of the Board of NAACP, Baltimore, MD
> >> Kweisi Mfume Past President & CEO of NAACP; Baltimore, MD
> >> Reverend Jesse Jackson, Sr. Founder & President of PUSH/EXCEL; Chicago, IL
> >> Marc H. Morial President & CEO of Urban League; New York, NY
> >> Dr. Michelle Clark Committee on Black Psychiatrists, American
> >> Psychiatric Assn.; Los Angeles, CA
> >> Dr. Winston Price President of National Medical Association; Washington, DC
> >> Marion Wright Edelman President of Children's Defense Fund; Washington, DC
> >> Dr. Deloris M. Saunders President of National Alliance of Black School
> >> Educators; Washington, DC
> >> Dr. Michael Lomax President & CEO of United Negro College Fund; Fairfax, VA
> >> Brother Reynaldo S. Taylor President, Nat'l Black Catholic Seminarian
> >> Assn; Cincinnati, OH
> >> Bishop E. Earl McCloud Ecumenical Officer, AME Church; Atlanta, GA
> >> Bishop Phillip Robert Cousin Fourth Episcopal District, AME Church;
> >> Chicago, IL
> >> Bishop Cornal Garnett Henning Eighth Episcopal District, AME Church;
> >> New Orleans, LA
> >> Bishop McKinley Young Eleventh Episcopal District, AME Church;
> >> Jacksonville, FL
> >> Dr. Carl C. Bell President & CEO of Community Mental Health Council;
> >> Chicago, IL
> >> Dr. Marilyn Benoit Past President of American Academy of Child and
> >> Adolescent Psychiatry; Washington, DC
> >> Yvette McGee Brown President of Child and Family Advocacy Center;
> >> Columbus, OH
> >> Reverend Fred L. Shuttlesworth Past President of Southern Christian
> >> Leadership Conference
> >> Judith Jackson President of National Association of Black Social
> >> Workers; Washington, DC
> >>
> >> Compiled by Dr. Alvin Poussaint and EPOCH-USA (End Physical Punishment
> >> of Children), Columbus, OH 43215, Nadine Block Co-Chair www.stophitting.org
> >>
> >> For more information on the problems of corporal punishment and
> >> especially its effects on the African-American population, please see
> >> the Fact Sheet on Corporal Punishment.
> >>
>
>

Doan

March 5th 07, 05:56 PM

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:10:46 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >
> >> 0:-> wrote:
> >>
> >> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
> >>
> >> Or give me an address and I'll send you an envelope and postage.
> >>
> >> 0:]
> >>
> >Glad to. Send me a SASE to:
> >Doan
> >1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
> >Los Angeles, CA 90089
>
> You forgot the postage amount.
>
For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the intelligent
you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can understand the
study. My bet is I won't see the request from you. You are as
transparent as a jelly-fish, Kane. Hihihi!

Doan

> >
> >Hihihi!
> >
> >
> >> > Doan wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Doan wrote:
> >> >>>> Where were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they find
> >> >>>> the same CORRELATIONS with non-cp alternatives?
> >> >>> What was the study premise, Doan. Read the first two paragraphs. And
> >> >>> then go back to your original claim about Black children and CP with
> >> >>> this in mind:
> >> >>>
> >> >> The studies wasn't about Black children, STUPID. However the authors
> >> >> did say:
> >> >> "One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
> >> >> recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
> >> >> groups,"
> >> >
> >> > Yep, and you've ignored the rest.
> >> >
> >> > As for black children, what do you usually call African children?
> >> >>
> >> >> Do you always like making a fool of yourself, Kane? Hihihi!
> >> >
> >> > I couldn't keep up with you doing it to yourself even if I tried, Doan.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Doan
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Why did you to take to Gregorizing, Doan? Can't argue with the full
> >> > information in front of the reader?
> >> >
> >> > They'll see too easily what you really are?
> >> >
> >> > Try reading again, what you quoted above, Doan.
> >> >
> >> > It doesn't say there is a need for caution in making recommendations
> >> > about parenting practices.
> >> >
> >> > Just about across different cultural groups.
> >> >
> >> > There are plenty of black people that do not go along with the "spanking
> >> > is good for black children," kant.
> >> >
> >> > That would be within the culture and doubtless constitutes a
> >> > recommendation.
> >> >
> >> > In fact I see a lot of claims about "the black community" and it's
> >> > universal acceptance of spanking, but being made by whites, Doan.
> >> >
> >> > I'd have to say that's a bit of cross cultural intrusion, wouldn't you?
> >> >
> >> > When I want to know what a person of another ethnicity thinks I ask. And
> >> > I don't repeat what they say unless I read or hear them say it.
> >> >
> >> > Do you know the name, Poussaint?
> >> >
> >> > http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2812/corporal_punishment_hidden_costs/
> >> >
> >> > "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical
> >> > School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long
> >> > opposed the use of corporal punishment.
> >> >
> >> > His major argument is simple: “the use of corporal punishment teaches
> >> > children that violence is the way to solve problems.” Poussaint, who was
> >> > an adviser to the popular program “The Cosby Show,” says corporal
> >> > punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
> >> > black community.
> >> >
> >> > At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
> >> > and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
> >> > as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
> >> > pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
> >> > that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.
> >> >
> >> > “There’s an overuse of beating kids,” he said, breaking a major taboo
> >> > among black leadership by raising this issue. “So that you have 80
> >> > percent of black parents believing you should beat them—beat the devil
> >> > out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
> >> > get.”
> >> >
> >> > High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
> >> > anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice’s Bureau of
> >> > Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
> >> > Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.
> >> >
> >> > In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
> >> > murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
> >> > fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
> >> > five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
> >> > ten times the white rate.
> >> >
> >> > Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
> >> > segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
> >> > supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
> >> > behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
> >> > responsibility and cultural standards.
> >> >
> >> > There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint’s
> >> > anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn’t make sense is
> >> > that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
> >> > corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.
> >> >
> >> > One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
> >> > spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
> >> > spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
> >> > African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
> >> > harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment they’re sure to
> >> > receive in the Untied States.
> >> >
> >> > But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
> >> > prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
> >> > doesn’t work. "
> >> >
> >> > Author, Corporal Punishment’s Hidden Costs
> >> > By Salim Muwakkil
> >> > In These Times, September 8, 2006
> >> >
> >> > I've a hunch he's Black.
> >> >
> >> > Assigning universal attributes to a culture is very tricky business
> >> > under any circumstances.
> >> >
> >> > Even the researchers in the International study didn't go for that.
> >> >
> >> > They made plain that cultural beliefs and actual performance
> >> > varied...the point of the study.
> >> >
> >> > I suggest YOU stop speaking for the Black community, Doan, as you have
> >> > been inclined to do on this issue, making claims
> >> > you have been completely unable to support.
> >> >
> >> > Or, go over to "Black Studies," and speak directly to them.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.usc.edu/dept/publications/cat2006/schools/college/amst/african_american.html
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Tell them you know their story and their beliefs better than they do.
> >> >
> >> > 0:-]
> >> >
> >> > I'd say the following are some fair heavyweights in the Black Community,
> >> > wouldn't you? Though not everyone is going to agree with them, of course.
> >> >
> >> > PROCLAMATION signed by African American Leaders
> >> > OPPOSING SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT
> >> >
> >> > WHEREAS, corporal punishment is defined as the intentional infliction of
> >> > physical pain for purposes of stopping or preventing misbehavior, and
> >> >
> >> > WHEREAS, corporal punishment in schools is disproportionately used on
> >> > African-American children, and
> >> >
> >> > WHEREAS, anger and violence can get out of control with corporal
> >> > punishment causing injuries such as bleeding, bruises, and broken bones,
> >> > and
> >> >
> >> > WHEREAS, corporal punishment conveys a message to children that violence
> >> > is an acceptable method for dealing with conflict, and
> >> >
> >> > WHEREAS, overwhelming evidence suggests that other methods of discipline
> >> > work better like setting reasonable rules and standards, correcting
> >> > children in a respectful, non-violent and consistent manner, praise and
> >> > reward for appropriate behavior.
> >> >
> >> > WHEREAS, all children deserve to be able to learn in a safe and
> >> > supportive learning environment free from corporal punishment.
> >> >
> >> > NOW, THEREFORE, we urge all school boards to ban corporal punishment and
> >> > we urge state legislators in all states allowing its use to pass
> >> > legislation ending school corporal punishment.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > SIGNATURES OF AFRICAN AMERICAN LEADERS ON A PROCLAMATION CALLING FOR A
> >> > BAN ON SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT 12-04
> >> > Dr. Alvin Poussaint Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School
> >> > and Judge Baker Children's Center; Boston, MA
> >> > Julian Bond Chairman of the Board of NAACP, Baltimore, MD
> >> > Kweisi Mfume Past President & CEO of NAACP; Baltimore, MD
> >> > Reverend Jesse Jackson, Sr. Founder & President of PUSH/EXCEL;
> >> > Chicago, IL
> >> > Marc H. Morial President & CEO of Urban League; New York, NY
> >> > Dr. Michelle Clark Committee on Black Psychiatrists, American
> >> > Psychiatric Assn.; Los Angeles, CA
> >> > Dr. Winston Price President of National Medical Association;
> >> > Washington, DC
> >> > Marion Wright Edelman President of Children's Defense Fund;
> >> > Washington, DC
> >> > Dr. Deloris M. Saunders President of National Alliance of Black
> >> > School Educators; Washington, DC
> >> > Dr. Michael Lomax President & CEO of United Negro College Fund;
> >> > Fairfax, VA
> >> > Brother Reynaldo S. Taylor President, Nat'l Black Catholic
> >> > Seminarian Assn; Cincinnati, OH
> >> > Bishop E. Earl McCloud Ecumenical Officer, AME Church; Atlanta, GA
> >> > Bishop Phillip Robert Cousin Fourth Episcopal District, AME Church;
> >> > Chicago, IL
> >> > Bishop Cornal Garnett Henning Eighth Episcopal District, AME Church;
> >> > New Orleans, LA
> >> > Bishop McKinley Young Eleventh Episcopal District, AME Church;
> >> > Jacksonville, FL
> >> > Dr. Carl C. Bell President & CEO of Community Mental Health Council;
> >> > Chicago, IL
> >> > Dr. Marilyn Benoit Past President of American Academy of Child and
> >> > Adolescent Psychiatry; Washington, DC
> >> > Yvette McGee Brown President of Child and Family Advocacy Center;
> >> > Columbus, OH
> >> > Reverend Fred L. Shuttlesworth Past President of Southern Christian
> >> > Leadership Conference
> >> > Judith Jackson President of National Association of Black Social
> >> > Workers; Washington, DC
> >> >
> >> > Compiled by Dr. Alvin Poussaint and EPOCH-USA (End Physical Punishment
> >> > of Children), Columbus, OH 43215, Nadine Block Co-Chair www.stophitting.org
> >> >
> >> > For more information on the problems of corporal punishment and
> >> > especially its effects on the African-American population, please see
> >> > the Fact Sheet on Corporal Punishment.
> >>
> >>
>
>

Doan

March 5th 07, 06:00 PM

It wasn't there when I looked. All I got was:

Information from whois :
Network Owner: unknown
Registered on: unknown
Updated on: unknown
Expires on: unknown
Netblock(s): unknown unknown

Something is up with Senderbase. Got a number for me to call?

Doan

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:15:40 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>
> >
> >Kane,
> > I tried putting your ip address into the Senderbase site and guess what?
> >It said that you are using a "fictitous address"!!! Hihihi!
>
> The word fictitious does not appear on the page. Why are you lying
> again?
> >
> >Report on IP address: 66.228.25.123
>
> Okay, I will, before ending this post, enter that information and
> report it back, and unlike YOU I'll provide the link. Why have you
> hidden the link?
>
> And why have you pasted every section of the page, but the one that
> DOES have the ISP source ID information, AGAIN, Doan?
>
> Just can't resist lying?
> >
>
> The following block of data fields starts on the left upper section of
> the page, Doan:
> >Volume Statistics for this IP
> > Magnitude Vol Change vs. Average
> >Last day 0.0 -100%
> >Last 30 days 0.0 -100%
> >Average 0.0
> >
>
> The next block below it is as follows. Roughly left center position:
>
> >Third-party Certification
> >Sender Score Certified? Not Certified
> >TRUSTe Privacy Seal? Not Certified
>
> The next line is from the top of the block I have referred to
> repeatedly.
>
> >Information from whois
> >
> >Please wait...loading data...
> >
>
> And suddenly you record NOTHING, not even paste the blank fields you
> claim are there?
>
> Where's the lower left corner block of fields, Doan? They belong right
> here.
>
> Didn't your mommy teach you, in between spankings, your left from your
> right and top from bottom?
>
> Here's what I get in the whois block...that seems to be missing from
> your post...liar.
>
> (stay tuned, because not only am I going to provide you that block,
> but unlike YOU I'm going to provide a link so people can see you lied.
>
> This block of information below is the set of fields on the RIGHT side
> of the page, and sometimes shows info and sometimes does not. I've
> posted all this before, including all blocks of data fields on the
> page, but you cut section, AGAIN, that I've noted in prior posts.
>
> Read on.
>
> > Other information about this IP address
> >Sender Category unknown
> >Network Owner unknown
> >Domain unknown
> >Date of first message seen from this address
> >CIDR range unknown
> ># of domains controlled by this network owner 0
> >Geography data
> >Country unknown
> >State unknown
> >City unknown
> >Postal code unknown
> >
> >Related links
> >Google groups
> >http://groups.google.com/groups?scoring=d&q=66.228.25.123+group:*abuse*
> >SpamCop http://spamcop.net/w3m?action=checkblock&ip=66.228.25.123
> >
> >Real-time blacklists [ Click to view all ]
> >not in any blacklists
> >
> >
> >No address list shown since no email was detected from 66.228.25.0/24.
>
> That is all information BUT the information that matters. The lower
> left block. Observe, liar:
>
> http://www.senderbase.org/search?searchString=66.228.25.123
>
> That's my IP for today, the same one you just used.
> As you said earlier in the post:
> >Report on IP address: 66.228.25.123
>
> And all the page reads exactly as you have posted, except for that
> lower left block, Doan, that was blank on running Alina's IP number.
>
> With MINE it says this:
>
> Information from whois [ Click to show details ]
> Network Owner: Gorge Networks Inc.
> Registered on: 2006-02-16
> Updated on: 2006-02-16
> Expires on: unknown
> Netblock(s): 66.228.16.0/20
>
> And if I "[ Click to show details ]" I get:
>
> OrgName: Gorge Networks Inc.
> OrgID: GRGE
> Address: 616 Industrial Ste. 401
> City: Hood River
> StateProv: OR
> PostalCode: 97031
> Country: US
>
> NetRange: 66.228.16.0 - 66.228.31.255
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> Comment:
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> Updated: 2006-02-16
>
> OrgTechHandle: NETAD59-ARIN
> OrgTechName: Netadmin Team
> OrgTechPhone: +1-541-386-8300
> OrgTechEmail:
>
> # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2007-03-04 19:10
> # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
> ......
>
> Has Doany gots hims a bokin compooter...?
>
> Or is Doan a lying little fleck of cow ****?
>
> >
> >Doan
>
> The fact is Doan, I've found that site from time to time actually
> failing to process and entry....that is why I run it many times on an
> IP number to see if I can produce results. No matter how many time's I
> ran it it would not produce anthing for Alina's IP number.
>
> But on the first run, for myself and others we've done, bingo...full
> disclosure.
>
> Maybe you just got a bad run, Doan....what did you call it, "a bug?"
>
> Or you are lying. I tend to think the latter.
>
> Still haven't owned up to lying about Straus's by quoting out of
> context, have you Doan?
>
> Still lie about me using the word "concede" don't you, Doan?
>
> Rely almost entirely on just such tricks as this....quoting and
> leaving out the relevant information.
>
> Are you under a doctor's care, Doan?
>
> Have you gotten the object lesson yet, or was it too painful and now
> you are upping the intensenty on your squirming weasel efforts to
> escape the uncomfortable truth about yourself?
>
> That you are a liar.
>
> 0:-]
>
>
> >
> >
> >On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >
> >> Doan wrote:
> >>
> >> ....snip....
> >>
> >> Alina's
> >>
> >> ..snip....
> >>
> >> Apparently you don't really want to debate.
> >>
> >> Let me know when you do by recognizing I'm not going to discuss this
> >> issue with you further.
> >>
> >> I did not care one way or the other. It was an object lesson for you.
> >> And you got it or you wouldn't be worrying it now trying to dodge real
> >> debate...as usual.
> >>
> >> Kane
> >>
>
>

0:-]

March 5th 07, 06:34 PM

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:52:47 -0800, Doan > wrote:

>
>And Empty Kane, once again, try hard to extricate himself from his
>own STUPIDITY.

Don't need extrication, Doan. It was a mirror of you. How do you like
being "run?"

Run monkeyboy.

Now what is the postage and how big does the envelope need to be?

And since you claim to know who I am why not just mail it, and trust
me to repay you? R R R R R R R RR. Or have I hidden my address from
you?

.........snipping the insipid Doan**** he uses to dodge actual debate
and revelation of his long string of lies and evasions.......

Spanking Leads To Child Aggression And Anxiety, Regardless Of Cultural
Norm

Science Daily — No matter what the cultural norm, children who are
physically disciplined with spanking and other such approaches are
more likely to be anxious and aggressive than children who are
disciplined in other ways. This finding, published in the
November/December journal Child Development, comes from surveys of
parents and children in six different countries.
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The study grew out of existing controversies over whether parents
should spank their children or use other forms of physical discipline.
While some experts argue that physical discipline should never be used
because of evidence that it is related to more, rather than fewer,
child behavior problems and might escalate into physical abuse, others
argue that the effects of physical discipline might depend on
characteristics of children and families and the circumstances in
which physical discipline is used.

To find out if the latter theory was valid, researchers from Duke
University in North Carolina, Chinese University of Hong Kong,
Göteborg University in Sweden, the University of Naples, the
University of Rome and the Istituto Universitario di Scienze Motorie
in Italy, Chiang Mai University in Thailand, the University of Delhi
in India, the University of Oregon and California State
University-Long Beach questioned 336 mothers and their children in
China, India, Italy, Kenya, the Philippines, and Thailand about
cultural norms surrounding the use of physical discipline and how it
affects children's aggression and anxiety.

They first asked mothers how often they physically disciplined their
children, and then asked mothers and children how often they thought
other parents in their country physically disciplined their children.
Finally, they asked mothers and children how often the child worries,
is fearful, gets in fights, bullies others and other questions to
measure children's aggression and anxiety.

The researchers found differences in how often mothers used physical
discipline and the mothers' perceptions of how often other parents
used physical discipline. Specifically:

* Mothers in Thailand were least likely to physically discipline
their children, followed by mothers in China, the Philippines, Italy,
India, and Kenya, with mothers in Kenya most likely to physically
discipline their children.
* More frequent use of physical discipline was less strongly
associated with child aggression and anxiety when it was perceived as
being more culturally accepted, but physical discipline was also
associated with more aggression and anxiety regardless of the
perception of cultural acceptance.
* In countries in which physical discipline was more common and
culturally accepted, children who were physically disciplined were
less aggressive and less anxious than children who were physically
disciplined in countries where physical discipline was rarely used.
* In all countries, however, higher use of physical discipline was
associated with more child aggression and anxiety.

"One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
groups," said lead researcher Jennifer Lansford, Ph.D., a research
scientist at the Center for Child and Family Policy at Duke
University. "A particular parenting practice may become a problem only
if parents use it in a cultural context that does not support the
practice (for example, if they migrate from one country to another)."

However, she notes, some practices that were condoned historically
(e.g., child labor) are now condemned, at least in certain countries.
"A larger question is whether a parenting practice is acceptable,
regardless of whether it occurs commonly within a cultural group."

###

Summarized from Child Development, Vol. 76, Issue 6, Physical
Discipline and Children's Adjustment: Cultural Normativeness as a
Moderator by Lansford JE. Dodge KA Malone PS and Quinn N. (Duke
University), Chang L (Chinese University of Hong Kong), Oburu P and
Palmérus K (Göteborg University), Bacchini D (University of Naples),
Pastorelli C and Bombi AS (Rome University), Zelli A (Istituto
Universitario di Scienze Motorie), Tapanya S(Chiang Mai University),
Chaudhary N (University of Delhi), Deater-Deckard K (University of
Oregon), and Manke B (California State University, Long Beach).
Copyright 2005 The Society for Research in Child Development, Inc. All
rights reserved.

Note: This story has been adapted from a news release issued by
Society for Research in Child Development.

Doan

March 5th 07, 07:09 PM

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:52:47 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>
> >
> >And Empty Kane, once again, try hard to extricate himself from his
> >own STUPIDITY.
>
> Don't need extrication, Doan. It was a mirror of you. How do you like
> being "run?"
>
Hihihi! So where is PROOF, Kane? Or just more noises from you.

> Run monkeyboy.
>
> Now what is the postage and how big does the envelope need to be?
>
The bigger the better.

> And since you claim to know who I am why not just mail it, and trust
> me to repay you? R R R R R R R RR. Or have I hidden my address from
> you?
>
More lies, Kane. I have never claimed that I know who you are. I claimed
that you are a coward, hiding behind a nym. Am I right? Hihihi!

> ........snipping the insipid Doan**** he uses to dodge actual debate
> and revelation of his long string of lies and evasions.......
>
Oops! "Doan ****" coming out of your mouth again. How does it get there,
Kane?

Doan

0:-]

March 5th 07, 08:46 PM

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:56:41 -0800, Doan > wrote:
...........My bet is I won't see the request from you.....

Five hundred dollars($500) says you will see my request in the mail.

I'm good for a thousand if you wish to up your bet.

>On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:10:46 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>> >
>> >> 0:-> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
>> >>
>> >> Or give me an address and I'll send you an envelope and postage.
>> >>
>> >> 0:]
>> >>
>> >Glad to. Send me a SASE to:
>> >Doan
>> >1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
>> >Los Angeles, CA 90089
>>
>> You forgot the postage amount.
>>
>For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the intelligent
>you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can understand the
>study.

If the study-report is very long I'll take a few days to study it. And
then we can proceed with something other than you usual little
foolishnesses....like that's going to stop.

>My bet is I won't see the request from you. You are as
>transparent as a jelly-fish, Kane. Hihihi!

Yes, I saw your bet. I call you. Any figure from $500 to $,1000 is my
limit. Nothing less than $500 please, or we might think you were just
blowing hard when you bet.

Nothing more than $1,000 as that would be too cruel to you.

And no fair blinding yourself, or asking someone else to open my
envelope so "you" don't actually see my request.

In fact, I'll post here and now, a copy of my letter to you making
that request you bet you won't see, and my request for payment, both
of which you will see.

You'll be able to judge my 'intelligent' much better soon, I assure
you.

And my relative transparency.

As you know I've come to know Don Fisher rather well over the years.
He has been invited to join us. At least in the handling of our
correspondence.

And transfer of funds. Upon our acceptance of my call on your bet I
will place whatever amount you agree to between $500 and $1,000. If I
fail to give him the go ahead on sending my request (which would be
kind of silly unless I were dead...0:>) he will send you the money.

When you receive my request in the mail, and it will be sent Return
Receipt Requested, he will accept payment for me.

I expect payment by mail. Please send you money to pay your debt again
with USPS RRR. That way you will have a record of Don receiving it
should there be any question about you having sent or not sent the
money.

Here is the letter I just forwarded to him electronically, and he will
print out, when the amount is decided upon, and send to you, making my
request.

Thank you, Doan.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

March 5, 2007 10:52am

Doan
1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90089

Doan,

Here is the request accompanying the envelope you said you bet I would
not send for the study.

Please send me the study, and your $500.

Your posted comments below for a reminder of your bet.

">On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:10:46 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>> >
>> >> 0:-> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
>> >>
>> >> Or give me an address and I'll send you an envelope and postage.
>> >>
>> >> 0:]
>> >>
>> >Glad to. Send me a SASE to:
>> >Doan
>> >1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
>> >Los Angeles, CA 90089
>>
>> You forgot the postage amount.
>>
>For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the intelligent
>you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can understand the
>study. My bet is I won't see the request from you. "

You are seeing my request.

Don Fisher has kindly agreed to handle my correspondence with you.

So then, please make the check out to Donald L. Fisher, who I trust to
handle the transaction for us and cash your check for me.

Or, you can be obtuse, and make it out to Pohaku Kane, and I assure
you, my bank will take it. They have before. Though that business I
used it for for so many years was closed over 20 years ago.

In any case you'll see your account reduced by the amount, in short
order.

The study please, I request it.

Transparent and JellyFish enough for you, Doan?

Affectionately, 0:]

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

Doan't you think that it would have been more profitable, money-wise,
or credibility-wise (you get to pick now), to have simply debated the
issues below and left off the smart ass bull**** that's gotten you in
so much trouble before with your dodging?

>Doan

Have a happy Hihihi.

I also wish to inform you and any posters or readers to these
newsgroups, that if I should ever use the term 'bet' as in "I bet," in
the future, it's to be considered a figure of speech. 0:]

You might want to now place your own disclaimer before you slip again.

Here, fill in the blank_________________________.

Kane

>> >
>> >Hihihi!
>> >
>> >
>> >> > Doan wrote:
>> >> >> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Doan wrote:
>> >> >>>> Where were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they find
>> >> >>>> the same CORRELATIONS with non-cp alternatives?
>> >> >>> What was the study premise, Doan. Read the first two paragraphs. And
>> >> >>> then go back to your original claim about Black children and CP with
>> >> >>> this in mind:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >> The studies wasn't about Black children, STUPID. However the authors
>> >> >> did say:
>> >> >> "One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
>> >> >> recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
>> >> >> groups,"
>> >> >
>> >> > Yep, and you've ignored the rest.
>> >> >
>> >> > As for black children, what do you usually call African children?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Do you always like making a fool of yourself, Kane? Hihihi!
>> >> >
>> >> > I couldn't keep up with you doing it to yourself even if I tried, Doan.
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Doan
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Why did you to take to Gregorizing, Doan? Can't argue with the full
>> >> > information in front of the reader?
>> >> >
>> >> > They'll see too easily what you really are?
>> >> >
>> >> > Try reading again, what you quoted above, Doan.
>> >> >
>> >> > It doesn't say there is a need for caution in making recommendations
>> >> > about parenting practices.
>> >> >
>> >> > Just about across different cultural groups.
>> >> >
>> >> > There are plenty of black people that do not go along with the "spanking
>> >> > is good for black children," kant.
>> >> >
>> >> > That would be within the culture and doubtless constitutes a
>> >> > recommendation.
>> >> >
>> >> > In fact I see a lot of claims about "the black community" and it's
>> >> > universal acceptance of spanking, but being made by whites, Doan.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'd have to say that's a bit of cross cultural intrusion, wouldn't you?
>> >> >
>> >> > When I want to know what a person of another ethnicity thinks I ask. And
>> >> > I don't repeat what they say unless I read or hear them say it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Do you know the name, Poussaint?
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2812/corporal_punishment_hidden_costs/
>> >> >
>> >> > "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical
>> >> > School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long
>> >> > opposed the use of corporal punishment.
>> >> >
>> >> > His major argument is simple: “the use of corporal punishment teaches
>> >> > children that violence is the way to solve problems.” Poussaint, who was
>> >> > an adviser to the popular program “The Cosby Show,” says corporal
>> >> > punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
>> >> > black community.
>> >> >
>> >> > At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
>> >> > and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
>> >> > as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
>> >> > pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
>> >> > that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.
>> >> >
>> >> > “There’s an overuse of beating kids,” he said, breaking a major taboo
>> >> > among black leadership by raising this issue. “So that you have 80
>> >> > percent of black parents believing you should beat them—beat the devil
>> >> > out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
>> >> > get.”
>> >> >
>> >> > High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
>> >> > anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice’s Bureau of
>> >> > Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
>> >> > Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.
>> >> >
>> >> > In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
>> >> > murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
>> >> > fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
>> >> > five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
>> >> > ten times the white rate.
>> >> >
>> >> > Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
>> >> > segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
>> >> > supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
>> >> > behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
>> >> > responsibility and cultural standards.
>> >> >
>> >> > There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint’s
>> >> > anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn’t make sense is
>> >> > that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
>> >> > corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.
>> >> >
>> >> > One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
>> >> > spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
>> >> > spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
>> >> > African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
>> >> > harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment they’re sure to
>> >> > receive in the Untied States.
>> >> >
>> >> > But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
>> >> > prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
>> >> > doesn’t work. "
>> >> >
>> >> > Author, Corporal Punishment’s Hidden Costs
>> >> > By Salim Muwakkil
>> >> > In These Times, September 8, 2006
>> >> >
>> >> > I've a hunch he's Black.
>> >> >
>> >> > Assigning universal attributes to a culture is very tricky business
>> >> > under any circumstances.
>> >> >
>> >> > Even the researchers in the International study didn't go for that.
>> >> >
>> >> > They made plain that cultural beliefs and actual performance
>> >> > varied...the point of the study.
>> >> >
>> >> > I suggest YOU stop speaking for the Black community, Doan, as you have
>> >> > been inclined to do on this issue, making claims
>> >> > you have been completely unable to support.
>> >> >
>> >> > Or, go over to "Black Studies," and speak directly to them.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.usc.edu/dept/publications/cat2006/schools/college/amst/african_american.html
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Tell them you know their story and their beliefs better than they do.
>> >> >
>> >> > 0:-]
>> >> >
>> >> > I'd say the following are some fair heavyweights in the Black Community,
>> >> > wouldn't you? Though not everyone is going to agree with them, of course.
>> >> >
>> >> > PROCLAMATION signed by African American Leaders
>> >> > OPPOSING SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT
>> >> >
>> >> > WHEREAS, corporal punishment is defined as the intentional infliction of
>> >> > physical pain for purposes of stopping or preventing misbehavior, and
>> >> >
>> >> > WHEREAS, corporal punishment in schools is disproportionately used on
>> >> > African-American children, and
>> >> >
>> >> > WHEREAS, anger and violence can get out of control with corporal
>> >> > punishment causing injuries such as bleeding, bruises, and broken bones,
>> >> > and
>> >> >
>> >> > WHEREAS, corporal punishment conveys a message to children that violence
>> >> > is an acceptable method for dealing with conflict, and
>> >> >
>> >> > WHEREAS, overwhelming evidence suggests that other methods of discipline
>> >> > work better like setting reasonable rules and standards, correcting
>> >> > children in a respectful, non-violent and consistent manner, praise and
>> >> > reward for appropriate behavior.
>> >> >
>> >> > WHEREAS, all children deserve to be able to learn in a safe and
>> >> > supportive learning environment free from corporal punishment.
>> >> >
>> >> > NOW, THEREFORE, we urge all school boards to ban corporal punishment and
>> >> > we urge state legislators in all states allowing its use to pass
>> >> > legislation ending school corporal punishment.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > SIGNATURES OF AFRICAN AMERICAN LEADERS ON A PROCLAMATION CALLING FOR A
>> >> > BAN ON SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT 12-04
>> >> > Dr. Alvin Poussaint Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School
>> >> > and Judge Baker Children's Center; Boston, MA
>> >> > Julian Bond Chairman of the Board of NAACP, Baltimore, MD
>> >> > Kweisi Mfume Past President & CEO of NAACP; Baltimore, MD
>> >> > Reverend Jesse Jackson, Sr. Founder & President of PUSH/EXCEL;
>> >> > Chicago, IL
>> >> > Marc H. Morial President & CEO of Urban League; New York, NY
>> >> > Dr. Michelle Clark Committee on Black Psychiatrists, American
>> >> > Psychiatric Assn.; Los Angeles, CA
>> >> > Dr. Winston Price President of National Medical Association;
>> >> > Washington, DC
>> >> > Marion Wright Edelman President of Children's Defense Fund;
>> >> > Washington, DC
>> >> > Dr. Deloris M. Saunders President of National Alliance of Black
>> >> > School Educators; Washington, DC
>> >> > Dr. Michael Lomax President & CEO of United Negro College Fund;
>> >> > Fairfax, VA
>> >> > Brother Reynaldo S. Taylor President, Nat'l Black Catholic
>> >> > Seminarian Assn; Cincinnati, OH
>> >> > Bishop E. Earl McCloud Ecumenical Officer, AME Church; Atlanta, GA
>> >> > Bishop Phillip Robert Cousin Fourth Episcopal District, AME Church;
>> >> > Chicago, IL
>> >> > Bishop Cornal Garnett Henning Eighth Episcopal District, AME Church;
>> >> > New Orleans, LA
>> >> > Bishop McKinley Young Eleventh Episcopal District, AME Church;
>> >> > Jacksonville, FL
>> >> > Dr. Carl C. Bell President & CEO of Community Mental Health Council;
>> >> > Chicago, IL
>> >> > Dr. Marilyn Benoit Past President of American Academy of Child and
>> >> > Adolescent Psychiatry; Washington, DC
>> >> > Yvette McGee Brown President of Child and Family Advocacy Center;
>> >> > Columbus, OH
>> >> > Reverend Fred L. Shuttlesworth Past President of Southern Christian
>> >> > Leadership Conference
>> >> > Judith Jackson President of National Association of Black Social
>> >> > Workers; Washington, DC
>> >> >
>> >> > Compiled by Dr. Alvin Poussaint and EPOCH-USA (End Physical Punishment
>> >> > of Children), Columbus, OH 43215, Nadine Block Co-Chair www.stophitting.org
>> >> >
>> >> > For more information on the problems of corporal punishment and
>> >> > especially its effects on the African-American population, please see
>> >> > the Fact Sheet on Corporal Punishment.
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>

0:-]

March 5th 07, 08:56 PM

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:00:05 -0800, Doan > wrote:

>
>It wasn't there when I looked. All I got was:
>
>Information from whois :
>Network Owner: unknown
>Registered on: unknown
>Updated on: unknown
>Expires on: unknown
>Netblock(s): unknown unknown
>
>Something is up with Senderbase. Got a number for me to call?

Sure, since I've been giving you a demonstration of the many dodges
Doan't uses, try 555.555.5555

Hi hi hi, good buddy.

I suspect YOUR system is at fault. Try posting from home.

Or go down the hall to a workstation on the network.

Or just keep trying like I did.

I pulled a blank once on that ip today, but it only took one more to
pull up info.

It is a database, you know, and you know how twitchy they can be
sometimes on line. I wonder if they are on a Linux based server. R R R
R R

What fascinates me most about your inquiry, is that every time you
claim you got nothing, you fail to copy and paste the empty fields
with their titles, but you manage to find all the other blocks, their
fields and print them.

Now why would you play that kind of game, Doan't?

You been "run" Doan't, and all you foot stomping isn't going to change
that. Including your claims that I lied...when what I did was a simple
mirror of you and your tactics.

You know, slide here, slide there, slide away from the actual issue?

Ever time you accuse me you are simply accusing yourself..for those
ARE your tactics. To make claims that are out of context, and dodge
when confronted.

You are a liar. Face it, child.

It's not clever. IT'S DOAN LYING.

And if you continue it with me, and do not acknowledge when I have
shown that you made a "mistake," like your claim about Straus v
Baumrind and careful concealment by omission of everything he said, I
may run another mirror on your sorry lying ass again.

There is no shortage of such from your posting archives, Doan.

And I keep them offline where you can't have them dropped from Usenet.

0:-]

>
>Doan
>
>On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:15:40 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Kane,
>> > I tried putting your ip address into the Senderbase site and guess what?
>> >It said that you are using a "fictitous address"!!! Hihihi!
>>
>> The word fictitious does not appear on the page. Why are you lying
>> again?
>> >
>> >Report on IP address: 66.228.25.123
>>
>> Okay, I will, before ending this post, enter that information and
>> report it back, and unlike YOU I'll provide the link. Why have you
>> hidden the link?
>>
>> And why have you pasted every section of the page, but the one that
>> DOES have the ISP source ID information, AGAIN, Doan?
>>
>> Just can't resist lying?
>> >
>>
>> The following block of data fields starts on the left upper section of
>> the page, Doan:
>> >Volume Statistics for this IP
>> > Magnitude Vol Change vs. Average
>> >Last day 0.0 -100%
>> >Last 30 days 0.0 -100%
>> >Average 0.0
>> >
>>
>> The next block below it is as follows. Roughly left center position:
>>
>> >Third-party Certification
>> >Sender Score Certified? Not Certified
>> >TRUSTe Privacy Seal? Not Certified
>>
>> The next line is from the top of the block I have referred to
>> repeatedly.
>>
>> >Information from whois
>> >
>> >Please wait...loading data...
>> >
>>
>> And suddenly you record NOTHING, not even paste the blank fields you
>> claim are there?
>>
>> Where's the lower left corner block of fields, Doan? They belong right
>> here.
>>
>> Didn't your mommy teach you, in between spankings, your left from your
>> right and top from bottom?
>>
>> Here's what I get in the whois block...that seems to be missing from
>> your post...liar.
>>
>> (stay tuned, because not only am I going to provide you that block,
>> but unlike YOU I'm going to provide a link so people can see you lied.
>>
>> This block of information below is the set of fields on the RIGHT side
>> of the page, and sometimes shows info and sometimes does not. I've
>> posted all this before, including all blocks of data fields on the
>> page, but you cut section, AGAIN, that I've noted in prior posts.
>>
>> Read on.
>>
>> > Other information about this IP address
>> >Sender Category unknown
>> >Network Owner unknown
>> >Domain unknown
>> >Date of first message seen from this address
>> >CIDR range unknown
>> ># of domains controlled by this network owner 0
>> >Geography data
>> >Country unknown
>> >State unknown
>> >City unknown
>> >Postal code unknown
>> >
>> >Related links
>> >Google groups
>> >http://groups.google.com/groups?scoring=d&q=66.228.25.123+group:*abuse*
>> >SpamCop http://spamcop.net/w3m?action=checkblock&ip=66.228.25.123
>> >
>> >Real-time blacklists [ Click to view all ]
>> >not in any blacklists
>> >
>> >
>> >No address list shown since no email was detected from 66.228.25.0/24.
>>
>> That is all information BUT the information that matters. The lower
>> left block. Observe, liar:
>>
>> http://www.senderbase.org/search?searchString=66.228.25.123
>>
>> That's my IP for today, the same one you just used.
>> As you said earlier in the post:
>> >Report on IP address: 66.228.25.123
>>
>> And all the page reads exactly as you have posted, except for that
>> lower left block, Doan, that was blank on running Alina's IP number.
>>
>> With MINE it says this:
>>
>> Information from whois [ Click to show details ]
>> Network Owner: Gorge Networks Inc.
>> Registered on: 2006-02-16
>> Updated on: 2006-02-16
>> Expires on: unknown
>> Netblock(s): 66.228.16.0/20
>>
>> And if I "[ Click to show details ]" I get:
>>
>> OrgName: Gorge Networks Inc.
>> OrgID: GRGE
>> Address: 616 Industrial Ste. 401
>> City: Hood River
>> StateProv: OR
>> PostalCode: 97031
>> Country: US
>>
>> NetRange: 66.228.16.0 - 66.228.31.255
>> CIDR: 66.228.16.0/20
>> NetName: GNBLCK-3
>> NetHandle: NET-66-228-16-0-1
>> Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0
>> NetType: Direct Allocation
>> NameServer: SERV.GORGE.NET
>> NameServer: DNS2.GORGE.NET
>> Comment:
>> RegDate: 2006-02-16
>> Updated: 2006-02-16
>>
>> OrgTechHandle: NETAD59-ARIN
>> OrgTechName: Netadmin Team
>> OrgTechPhone: +1-541-386-8300
>> OrgTechEmail:
>>
>> # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2007-03-04 19:10
>> # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
>> ......
>>
>> Has Doany gots hims a bokin compooter...?
>>
>> Or is Doan a lying little fleck of cow ****?
>>
>> >
>> >Doan
>>
>> The fact is Doan, I've found that site from time to time actually
>> failing to process and entry....that is why I run it many times on an
>> IP number to see if I can produce results. No matter how many time's I
>> ran it it would not produce anthing for Alina's IP number.
>>
>> But on the first run, for myself and others we've done, bingo...full
>> disclosure.
>>
>> Maybe you just got a bad run, Doan....what did you call it, "a bug?"
>>
>> Or you are lying. I tend to think the latter.
>>
>> Still haven't owned up to lying about Straus's by quoting out of
>> context, have you Doan?
>>
>> Still lie about me using the word "concede" don't you, Doan?
>>
>> Rely almost entirely on just such tricks as this....quoting and
>> leaving out the relevant information.
>>
>> Are you under a doctor's care, Doan?
>>
>> Have you gotten the object lesson yet, or was it too painful and now
>> you are upping the intensenty on your squirming weasel efforts to
>> escape the uncomfortable truth about yourself?
>>
>> That you are a liar.
>>
>> 0:-]
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Doan wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ....snip....
>> >>
>> >> Alina's
>> >>
>> >> ..snip....
>> >>
>> >> Apparently you don't really want to debate.
>> >>
>> >> Let me know when you do by recognizing I'm not going to discuss this
>> >> issue with you further.
>> >>
>> >> I did not care one way or the other. It was an object lesson for you.
>> >> And you got it or you wouldn't be worrying it now trying to dodge real
>> >> debate...as usual.
>> >>
>> >> Kane
>> >>
>>
>>

Doan

March 6th 07, 05:28 PM

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:56:41 -0800, Doan > wrote:
> ..........My bet is I won't see the request from you.....
>
> Five hundred dollars($500) says you will see my request in the mail.
>
> I'm good for a thousand if you wish to up your bet.
>
> >On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:10:46 -0800, Doan > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> 0:-> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
> >> >>
> >> >> Or give me an address and I'll send you an envelope and postage.
> >> >>
> >> >> 0:]
> >> >>
> >> >Glad to. Send me a SASE to:
> >> >Doan
> >> >1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
> >> >Los Angeles, CA 90089
> >>
> >> You forgot the postage amount.
> >>
> >For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the intelligent
> >you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can understand the
> >study.
>
> If the study-report is very long I'll take a few days to study it. And
> then we can proceed with something other than you usual little
> foolishnesses....like that's going to stop.
>
> >My bet is I won't see the request from you. You are as
> >transparent as a jelly-fish, Kane. Hihihi!
>
> Yes, I saw your bet. I call you. Any figure from $500 to $,1000 is my
> limit. Nothing less than $500 please, or we might think you were just
> blowing hard when you bet.
>
> Nothing more than $1,000 as that would be too cruel to you.
>
> And no fair blinding yourself, or asking someone else to open my
> envelope so "you" don't actually see my request.
>
> In fact, I'll post here and now, a copy of my letter to you making
> that request you bet you won't see, and my request for payment, both
> of which you will see.
>
> You'll be able to judge my 'intelligent' much better soon, I assure
> you.
>
> And my relative transparency.
>
> As you know I've come to know Don Fisher rather well over the years.
> He has been invited to join us. At least in the handling of our
> correspondence.
>
Who is this Don Fisher? I have never known him. How can he be trusted?

Doan

> And transfer of funds. Upon our acceptance of my call on your bet I
> will place whatever amount you agree to between $500 and $1,000. If I
> fail to give him the go ahead on sending my request (which would be
> kind of silly unless I were dead...0:>) he will send you the money.
>
> When you receive my request in the mail, and it will be sent Return
> Receipt Requested, he will accept payment for me.
>
> I expect payment by mail. Please send you money to pay your debt again
> with USPS RRR. That way you will have a record of Don receiving it
> should there be any question about you having sent or not sent the
> money.
>
> Here is the letter I just forwarded to him electronically, and he will
> print out, when the amount is decided upon, and send to you, making my
> request.
>
> Thank you, Doan.
>
> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
>
> March 5, 2007 10:52am
>
> Doan
> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
> Los Angeles, CA 90089
>
> Doan,
>
> Here is the request accompanying the envelope you said you bet I would
> not send for the study.
>
> Please send me the study, and your $500.
>
> Your posted comments below for a reminder of your bet.
>
> ">On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:10:46 -0800, Doan > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> 0:-> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
> >> >>
> >> >> Or give me an address and I'll send you an envelope and postage.
> >> >>
> >> >> 0:]
> >> >>
> >> >Glad to. Send me a SASE to:
> >> >Doan
> >> >1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
> >> >Los Angeles, CA 90089
> >>
> >> You forgot the postage amount.
> >>
> >For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the intelligent
> >you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can understand the
> >study. My bet is I won't see the request from you. "
>
> You are seeing my request.
>
> Don Fisher has kindly agreed to handle my correspondence with you.
>
> So then, please make the check out to Donald L. Fisher, who I trust to
> handle the transaction for us and cash your check for me.
>
> Or, you can be obtuse, and make it out to Pohaku Kane, and I assure
> you, my bank will take it. They have before. Though that business I
> used it for for so many years was closed over 20 years ago.
>
> In any case you'll see your account reduced by the amount, in short
> order.
>
> The study please, I request it.
>
> Transparent and JellyFish enough for you, Doan?
>
> Affectionately, 0:]
>
> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
>
>
> Doan't you think that it would have been more profitable, money-wise,
> or credibility-wise (you get to pick now), to have simply debated the
> issues below and left off the smart ass bull**** that's gotten you in
> so much trouble before with your dodging?
>
> >Doan
>
> Have a happy Hihihi.
>
> I also wish to inform you and any posters or readers to these
> newsgroups, that if I should ever use the term 'bet' as in "I bet," in
> the future, it's to be considered a figure of speech. 0:]
>
> You might want to now place your own disclaimer before you slip again.
>
> Here, fill in the blank_________________________.
>
> Kane
>
> >> >
> >> >Hihihi!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> > Doan wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> Doan wrote:
> >> >> >>>> Where were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they find
> >> >> >>>> the same CORRELATIONS with non-cp alternatives?
> >> >> >>> What was the study premise, Doan. Read the first two paragraphs. And
> >> >> >>> then go back to your original claim about Black children and CP with
> >> >> >>> this in mind:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> The studies wasn't about Black children, STUPID. However the authors
> >> >> >> did say:
> >> >> >> "One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
> >> >> >> recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
> >> >> >> groups,"
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yep, and you've ignored the rest.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As for black children, what do you usually call African children?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Do you always like making a fool of yourself, Kane? Hihihi!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I couldn't keep up with you doing it to yourself even if I tried, Doan.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Doan
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Why did you to take to Gregorizing, Doan? Can't argue with the full
> >> >> > information in front of the reader?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > They'll see too easily what you really are?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Try reading again, what you quoted above, Doan.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It doesn't say there is a need for caution in making recommendations
> >> >> > about parenting practices.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Just about across different cultural groups.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > There are plenty of black people that do not go along with the "spanking
> >> >> > is good for black children," kant.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That would be within the culture and doubtless constitutes a
> >> >> > recommendation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In fact I see a lot of claims about "the black community" and it's
> >> >> > universal acceptance of spanking, but being made by whites, Doan.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'd have to say that's a bit of cross cultural intrusion, wouldn't you?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > When I want to know what a person of another ethnicity thinks I ask. And
> >> >> > I don't repeat what they say unless I read or hear them say it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Do you know the name, Poussaint?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2812/corporal_punishment_hidden_costs/
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical
> >> >> > School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long
> >> >> > opposed the use of corporal punishment.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > His major argument is simple: “the use of corporal punishment teaches
> >> >> > children that violence is the way to solve problems.” Poussaint, who was
> >> >> > an adviser to the popular program “The Cosby Show,” says corporal
> >> >> > punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
> >> >> > black community.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
> >> >> > and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
> >> >> > as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
> >> >> > pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
> >> >> > that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > “There’s an overuse of beating kids,” he said, breaking a major taboo
> >> >> > among black leadership by raising this issue. “So that you have 80
> >> >> > percent of black parents believing you should beat them—beat the devil
> >> >> > out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
> >> >> > get.”
> >> >> >
> >> >> > High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
> >> >> > anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice’s Bureau of
> >> >> > Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
> >> >> > Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
> >> >> > murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
> >> >> > fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
> >> >> > five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
> >> >> > ten times the white rate.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
> >> >> > segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
> >> >> > supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
> >> >> > behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
> >> >> > responsibility and cultural standards.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint’s
> >> >> > anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn’t make sense is
> >> >> > that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
> >> >> > corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
> >> >> > spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
> >> >> > spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
> >> >> > African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
> >> >> > harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment they’re sure to
> >> >> > receive in the Untied States.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
> >> >> > prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
> >> >> > doesn’t work. "
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Author, Corporal Punishment’s Hidden Costs
> >> >> > By Salim Muwakkil
> >> >> > In These Times, September 8, 2006
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I've a hunch he's Black.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Assigning universal attributes to a culture is very tricky business
> >> >> > under any circumstances.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Even the researchers in the International study didn't go for that.

Doan

March 6th 07, 05:36 PM

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:00:05 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>
> >
> >It wasn't there when I looked. All I got was:
> >
> >Information from whois :
> >Network Owner: unknown
> >Registered on: unknown
> >Updated on: unknown
> >Expires on: unknown
> >Netblock(s): unknown unknown
> >
> >Something is up with Senderbase. Got a number for me to call?
>
> Sure, since I've been giving you a demonstration of the many dodges
> Doan't uses, try 555.555.5555
>
That number doesn't work, Kane. Got another one?

> Hi hi hi, good buddy.
>
Hihihi!

> I suspect YOUR system is at fault. Try posting from home.
>
My system is fine. It has to be the "proxy checker" at Senderbase.

> Or go down the hall to a workstation on the network.
>
> Or just keep trying like I did.
>
> I pulled a blank once on that ip today, but it only took one more to
> pull up info.
>
> It is a database, you know, and you know how twitchy they can be
> sometimes on line. I wonder if they are on a Linux based server. R R R
> R R
>
Hihihi! Wow. Trying to sound knowledgeable, Kane?

> What fascinates me most about your inquiry, is that every time you
> claim you got nothing, you fail to copy and paste the empty fields
> with their titles, but you manage to find all the other blocks, their
> fields and print them.
>
> Now why would you play that kind of game, Doan't?
>
> You been "run" Doan't, and all you foot stomping isn't going to change
> that. Including your claims that I lied...when what I did was a simple
> mirror of you and your tactics.
>
Hihihi. The only one that doing the running is YOU, Empty Kane.

> You know, slide here, slide there, slide away from the actual issue?
>
Yup! Like you sliding from the PROOF that Alina is me? Or like
you sliding from the fact that you have not called Senderbase. You
can't even give me their number, Kane!

> Ever time you accuse me you are simply accusing yourself..for those
> ARE your tactics. To make claims that are out of context, and dodge
> when confronted.
>
> You are a liar. Face it, child.
>
The proven LIAR is you, Kane!

> It's not clever. IT'S DOAN LYING.
>
It's Empty Kane making noises! Hihihi!

> And if you continue it with me, and do not acknowledge when I have
> shown that you made a "mistake," like your claim about Straus v
> Baumrind and careful concealment by omission of everything he said, I
> may run another mirror on your sorry lying ass again.
>
Hihihi! Straus said Baumrind study is the best! That claim has
been proven.

> There is no shortage of such from your posting archives, Doan.
>
Same to you, Empty Kane.

> And I keep them offline where you can't have them dropped from Usenet.
>
Hihihi! How do you that, Kane?

EK:->

> 0:-]
>
>
>
> >
> >Doan
> >
> >On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:15:40 -0800, Doan > wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Kane,
> >> > I tried putting your ip address into the Senderbase site and guess what?
> >> >It said that you are using a "fictitous address"!!! Hihihi!
> >>
> >> The word fictitious does not appear on the page. Why are you lying
> >> again?
> >> >
> >> >Report on IP address: 66.228.25.123
> >>
> >> Okay, I will, before ending this post, enter that information and
> >> report it back, and unlike YOU I'll provide the link. Why have you
> >> hidden the link?
> >>
> >> And why have you pasted every section of the page, but the one that
> >> DOES have the ISP source ID information, AGAIN, Doan?
> >>
> >> Just can't resist lying?
> >> >
> >>
> >> The following block of data fields starts on the left upper section of
> >> the page, Doan:
> >> >Volume Statistics for this IP
> >> > Magnitude Vol Change vs. Average
> >> >Last day 0.0 -100%
> >> >Last 30 days 0.0 -100%
> >> >Average 0.0
> >> >
> >>
> >> The next block below it is as follows. Roughly left center position:
> >>
> >> >Third-party Certification
> >> >Sender Score Certified? Not Certified
> >> >TRUSTe Privacy Seal? Not Certified
> >>
> >> The next line is from the top of the block I have referred to
> >> repeatedly.
> >>
> >> >Information from whois
> >> >
> >> >Please wait...loading data...
> >> >
> >>
> >> And suddenly you record NOTHING, not even paste the blank fields you
> >> claim are there?
> >>
> >> Where's the lower left corner block of fields, Doan? They belong right
> >> here.
> >>
> >> Didn't your mommy teach you, in between spankings, your left from your
> >> right and top from bottom?
> >>
> >> Here's what I get in the whois block...that seems to be missing from
> >> your post...liar.
> >>
> >> (stay tuned, because not only am I going to provide you that block,
> >> but unlike YOU I'm going to provide a link so people can see you lied.
> >>
> >> This block of information below is the set of fields on the RIGHT side
> >> of the page, and sometimes shows info and sometimes does not. I've
> >> posted all this before, including all blocks of data fields on the
> >> page, but you cut section, AGAIN, that I've noted in prior posts.
> >>
> >> Read on.
> >>
> >> > Other information about this IP address
> >> >Sender Category unknown
> >> >Network Owner unknown
> >> >Domain unknown
> >> >Date of first message seen from this address
> >> >CIDR range unknown
> >> ># of domains controlled by this network owner 0
> >> >Geography data
> >> >Country unknown
> >> >State unknown
> >> >City unknown
> >> >Postal code unknown
> >> >
> >> >Related links
> >> >Google groups
> >> >http://groups.google.com/groups?scoring=d&q=66.228.25.123+group:*abuse*
> >> >SpamCop http://spamcop.net/w3m?action=checkblock&ip=66.228.25.123
> >> >
> >> >Real-time blacklists [ Click to view all ]
> >> >not in any blacklists
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >No address list shown since no email was detected from 66.228.25.0/24.
> >>
> >> That is all information BUT the information that matters. The lower
> >> left block. Observe, liar:
> >>
> >> http://www.senderbase.org/search?searchString=66.228.25.123
> >>
> >> That's my IP for today, the same one you just used.
> >> As you said earlier in the post:
> >> >Report on IP address: 66.228.25.123
> >>
> >> And all the page reads exactly as you have posted, except for that
> >> lower left block, Doan, that was blank on running Alina's IP number.
> >>
> >> With MINE it says this:
> >>
> >> Information from whois [ Click to show details ]
> >> Network Owner: Gorge Networks Inc.
> >> Registered on: 2006-02-16
> >> Updated on: 2006-02-16
> >> Expires on: unknown
> >> Netblock(s): 66.228.16.0/20
> >>
> >> And if I "[ Click to show details ]" I get:
> >>
> >> OrgName: Gorge Networks Inc.
> >> OrgID: GRGE
> >> Address: 616 Industrial Ste. 401
> >> City: Hood River
> >> StateProv: OR
> >> PostalCode: 97031
> >> Country: US
> >>
> >> NetRange: 66.228.16.0 - 66.228.31.255
> >> CIDR: 66.228.16.0/20
> >> NetName: GNBLCK-3
> >> NetHandle: NET-66-228-16-0-1
> >> Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0
> >> NetType: Direct Allocation
> >> NameServer: SERV.GORGE.NET
> >> NameServer: DNS2.GORGE.NET
> >> Comment:
> >> RegDate: 2006-02-16
> >> Updated: 2006-02-16
> >>
> >> OrgTechHandle: NETAD59-ARIN
> >> OrgTechName: Netadmin Team
> >> OrgTechPhone: +1-541-386-8300
> >> OrgTechEmail:
> >>
> >> # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2007-03-04 19:10
> >> # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
> >> ......
> >>
> >> Has Doany gots hims a bokin compooter...?
> >>
> >> Or is Doan a lying little fleck of cow ****?
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Doan
> >>
> >> The fact is Doan, I've found that site from time to time actually
> >> failing to process and entry....that is why I run it many times on an
> >> IP number to see if I can produce results. No matter how many time's I
> >> ran it it would not produce anthing for Alina's IP number.
> >>
> >> But on the first run, for myself and others we've done, bingo...full
> >> disclosure.
> >>
> >> Maybe you just got a bad run, Doan....what did you call it, "a bug?"
> >>
> >> Or you are lying. I tend to think the latter.
> >>
> >> Still haven't owned up to lying about Straus's by quoting out of
> >> context, have you Doan?
> >>
> >> Still lie about me using the word "concede" don't you, Doan?
> >>
> >> Rely almost entirely on just such tricks as this....quoting and
> >> leaving out the relevant information.
> >>
> >> Are you under a doctor's care, Doan?
> >>
> >> Have you gotten the object lesson yet, or was it too painful and now
> >> you are upping the intensenty on your squirming weasel efforts to
> >> escape the uncomfortable truth about yourself?
> >>
> >> That you are a liar.
> >>
> >> 0:-]
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Doan wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> ....snip....
> >> >>
> >> >> Alina's
> >> >>
> >> >> ..snip....
> >> >>
> >> >> Apparently you don't really want to debate.
> >> >>
> >> >> Let me know when you do by recognizing I'm not going to discuss this
> >> >> issue with you further.
> >> >>
> >> >> I did not care one way or the other. It was an object lesson for you.
> >> >> And you got it or you wouldn't be worrying it now trying to dodge real
> >> >> debate...as usual.
> >> >>
> >> >> Kane
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

0:->

March 6th 07, 11:26 PM

Doan wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:56:41 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>> ..........My bet is I won't see the request from you.....
>>
>> Five hundred dollars($500) says you will see my request in the mail.
>>
>> I'm good for a thousand if you wish to up your bet.
>>
>>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:10:46 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 0:-> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or give me an address and I'll send you an envelope and postage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 0:]
>>>>>>
>>>>> Glad to. Send me a SASE to:
>>>>> Doan
>>>>> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90089
>>>> You forgot the postage amount.
>>>>
>>> For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the intelligent
>>> you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can understand the
>>> study.
>> If the study-report is very long I'll take a few days to study it. And
>> then we can proceed with something other than you usual little
>> foolishnesses....like that's going to stop.
>>
>>> My bet is I won't see the request from you. You are as
>>> transparent as a jelly-fish, Kane. Hihihi!
>> Yes, I saw your bet. I call you. Any figure from $500 to $,1000 is my
>> limit. Nothing less than $500 please, or we might think you were just
>> blowing hard when you bet.
>>
>> Nothing more than $1,000 as that would be too cruel to you.
>>
>> And no fair blinding yourself, or asking someone else to open my
>> envelope so "you" don't actually see my request.
>>
>> In fact, I'll post here and now, a copy of my letter to you making
>> that request you bet you won't see, and my request for payment, both
>> of which you will see.
>>
>> You'll be able to judge my 'intelligent' much better soon, I assure
>> you.
>>
>> And my relative transparency.
>>
>> As you know I've come to know Don Fisher rather well over the years.
>> He has been invited to join us. At least in the handling of our
>> correspondence.
>>
> Who is this Don Fisher? I have never known him. How can he be trusted?

Hihihi!

You just withdrew your bet.

There now, isn't that a relief for you?

So, your honor is worth $500 bucks, eh? Tsk.

And you have withdrawn your claim that you will not see my request,
admitting it was a calculated lie.

Or would you like to bet again?

So, your honor is worth $500 bucks, eh? Tsk.

And lucky for you, you just saved your lying cowardly ass $500.

I'll have this post for you the next time you claim "you are the proven
liar, Kane."

Here's a little gift for you, bright boy:

I could not collect from you legally in California anyway.

Doan't you ever check anything? It would have been so much more easy an
out for you, stupid.

But I would have waited for you to visit my state. 0:]

I have it on good authority, by the way, you can get it in that
format....free through the University of Southern California library.
Know them? 17 pages as I recall. All you need is student or staff
library privs. Then you could have sent it to me.

Any particular reason you wanted a return address envelope?

Planning on sharing Don's address? Thought you'd 'expose' Kane? R R R R
R R.

Once more playing unethical lying games, Doan?

So, send me the study.

That is my request that you bet you wouldn't see, coward.

When I get it from you I'll still have Don send the envelope. I'm
honorable. You are not.

You are a liar, Proven, Doan. Your parents would be proud. For nothing
more than a silly little ego game. Tsk. Liar, tsk.

Deny it.

0:]

>
> Doan
>
>> And transfer of funds. Upon our acceptance of my call on your bet I
>> will place whatever amount you agree to between $500 and $1,000. If I
>> fail to give him the go ahead on sending my request (which would be
>> kind of silly unless I were dead...0:>) he will send you the money.
>>
>> When you receive my request in the mail, and it will be sent Return
>> Receipt Requested, he will accept payment for me.
>>
>> I expect payment by mail. Please send you money to pay your debt again
>> with USPS RRR. That way you will have a record of Don receiving it
>> should there be any question about you having sent or not sent the
>> money.
>>
>> Here is the letter I just forwarded to him electronically, and he will
>> print out, when the amount is decided upon, and send to you, making my
>> request.
>>
>> Thank you, Doan.
>>
>> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
>>
>> March 5, 2007 10:52am
>>
>> Doan
>> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
>> Los Angeles, CA 90089
>>
>> Doan,
>>
>> Here is the request accompanying the envelope you said you bet I would
>> not send for the study.
>>
>> Please send me the study, and your $500.
>>
>> Your posted comments below for a reminder of your bet.
>>
>> ">On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:10:46 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 0:-> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or give me an address and I'll send you an envelope and postage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 0:]
>>>>>>
>>>>> Glad to. Send me a SASE to:
>>>>> Doan
>>>>> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90089
>>>> You forgot the postage amount.
>>>>
>>> For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the intelligent
>>> you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can understand the
>>> study. My bet is I won't see the request from you. "
>> You are seeing my request.
>>
>> Don Fisher has kindly agreed to handle my correspondence with you.
>>
>> So then, please make the check out to Donald L. Fisher, who I trust to
>> handle the transaction for us and cash your check for me.
>>
>> Or, you can be obtuse, and make it out to Pohaku Kane, and I assure
>> you, my bank will take it. They have before. Though that business I
>> used it for for so many years was closed over 20 years ago.
>>
>> In any case you'll see your account reduced by the amount, in short
>> order.
>>
>> The study please, I request it.
>>
>> Transparent and JellyFish enough for you, Doan?
>>
>> Affectionately, 0:]
>>
>> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
>>
>>
>> Doan't you think that it would have been more profitable, money-wise,
>> or credibility-wise (you get to pick now), to have simply debated the
>> issues below and left off the smart ass bull**** that's gotten you in
>> so much trouble before with your dodging?
>>
>>> Doan
>> Have a happy Hihihi.
>>
>> I also wish to inform you and any posters or readers to these
>> newsgroups, that if I should ever use the term 'bet' as in "I bet," in
>> the future, it's to be considered a figure of speech. 0:]
>>
>> You might want to now place your own disclaimer before you slip again.
>>
>> Here, fill in the blank_________________________.
>>
>> Kane
>>
>>>>> Hihihi!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Where were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they find
>>>>>>>>>> the same CORRELATIONS with non-cp alternatives?
>>>>>>>>> What was the study premise, Doan. Read the first two paragraphs. And
>>>>>>>>> then go back to your original claim about Black children and CP with
>>>>>>>>> this in mind:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The studies wasn't about Black children, STUPID. However the authors
>>>>>>>> did say:
>>>>>>>> "One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
>>>>>>>> recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
>>>>>>>> groups,"
>>>>>>> Yep, and you've ignored the rest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for black children, what do you usually call African children?
>>>>>>>> Do you always like making a fool of yourself, Kane? Hihihi!
>>>>>>> I couldn't keep up with you doing it to yourself even if I tried, Doan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why did you to take to Gregorizing, Doan? Can't argue with the full
>>>>>>> information in front of the reader?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They'll see too easily what you really are?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Try reading again, what you quoted above, Doan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It doesn't say there is a need for caution in making recommendations
>>>>>>> about parenting practices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just about across different cultural groups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are plenty of black people that do not go along with the "spanking
>>>>>>> is good for black children," kant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That would be within the culture and doubtless constitutes a
>>>>>>> recommendation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In fact I see a lot of claims about "the black community" and it's
>>>>>>> universal acceptance of spanking, but being made by whites, Doan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd have to say that's a bit of cross cultural intrusion, wouldn't you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I want to know what a person of another ethnicity thinks I ask. And
>>>>>>> I don't repeat what they say unless I read or hear them say it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you know the name, Poussaint?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2812/corporal_punishment_hidden_costs/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical
>>>>>>> School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long
>>>>>>> opposed the use of corporal punishment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> His major argument is simple: ï¿½the use of corporal punishment teaches
>>>>>>> children that violence is the way to solve problems.ï¿½ Poussaint, who was
>>>>>>> an adviser to the popular program ï¿½The Cosby Show,ï¿½ says corporal
>>>>>>> punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
>>>>>>> black community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
>>>>>>> and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
>>>>>>> as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
>>>>>>> pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
>>>>>>> that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ï¿½Thereï¿½s an overuse of beating kids,ï¿½ he said, breaking a major taboo
>>>>>>> among black leadership by raising this issue. ï¿½So that you have 80
>>>>>>> percent of black parents believing you should beat themï¿½beat the devil
>>>>>>> out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
>>>>>>> get.ï¿½
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
>>>>>>> anger. According to figures from the Department of Justiceï¿½s Bureau of
>>>>>>> Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
>>>>>>> Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
>>>>>>> murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
>>>>>>> fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
>>>>>>> five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
>>>>>>> ten times the white rate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
>>>>>>> segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
>>>>>>> supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
>>>>>>> behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
>>>>>>> responsibility and cultural standards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaintï¿½s
>>>>>>> anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesnï¿½t make sense is
>>>>>>> that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
>>>>>>> corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
>>>>>>> spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
>>>>>>> spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
>>>>>>> African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
>>>>>>> harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment theyï¿½re sure to
>>>>>>> receive in the Untied States.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
>>>>>>> prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
>>>>>>> doesnï¿½t work. "
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Author, Corporal Punishmentï¿½s Hidden Costs
>>>>>>> By Salim Muwakkil
>>>>>>> In These Times, September 8, 2006
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've a hunch he's Black.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Assigning universal attributes to a culture is very tricky business
>>>>>>> under any circumstances.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even the researchers in the International study didn't go for that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They made plain that cultural beliefs and actual performance
>>>>>>> varied...the point of the study.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suggest YOU stop speaking for the Black community, Doan, as you have
>>>>>>> been inclined to do on this issue, making claims
>>>>>>> you have been completely unable to support.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or, go over to "Black Studies," and speak directly to them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.usc.edu/dept/publications/cat2006/schools/college/amst/african_american.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tell them you know their story and their beliefs better than they do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 0:-]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd say the following are some fair heavyweights in the Black Community,
>>>>>>> wouldn't you? Though not everyone is going to agree with them, of course.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PROCLAMATION signed by African American Leaders
>>>>>>> OPPOSING SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment is defined as the intentional infliction of
>>>>>>> physical pain for purposes of stopping or preventing misbehavior, and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment in schools is disproportionately used on
>>>>>>> African-American children, and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WHEREAS, anger and violence can get out of control with corporal
>>>>>>> punishment causing injuries such as bleeding, bruises, and broken bones,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment conveys a message to children that violence
>>>>>>> is an acceptable method for dealing with conflict, and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WHEREAS, overwhelming evidence suggests that other methods of discipline
>>>>>>> work better like setting reasonable rules and standards, correcting
>>>>>>> children in a respectful, non-violent and consistent manner, praise and
>>>>>>> reward for appropriate behavior.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WHEREAS, all children deserve to be able to learn in a safe and
>>>>>>> supportive learning environment free from corporal punishment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, we urge all school boards to ban corporal punishment and
>>>>>>> we urge state legislators in all states allowing its use to pass
>>>>>>> legislation ending school corporal punishment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SIGNATURES OF AFRICAN AMERICAN LEADERS ON A PROCLAMATION CALLING FOR A
>>>>>>> BAN ON SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT 12-04
>>>>>>> Dr. Alvin Poussaint Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School
>>>>>>> and Judge Baker Children's Center; Boston, MA
>>>>>>> Julian Bond Chairman of the Board of NAACP, Baltimore, MD
>>>>>>> Kweisi Mfume Past President & CEO of NAACP; Baltimore, MD
>>>>>>> Reverend Jesse Jackson, Sr. Founder & President of PUSH/EXCEL;
>>>>>>> Chicago, IL
>>>>>>> Marc H. Morial President & CEO of Urban League; New York, NY
>>>>>>> Dr. Michelle Clark Committee on Black Psychiatrists, American
>>>>>>> Psychiatric Assn.; Los Angeles, CA
>>>>>>> Dr. Winston Price President of National Medical Association;
>>>>>>> Washington, DC
>>>>>>> Marion Wright Edelman President of Children's Defense Fund;
>>>>>>> Washington, DC
>>>>>>> Dr. Deloris M. Saunders President of National Alliance of Black
>>>>>>> School Educators; Washington, DC
>>>>>>> Dr. Michael Lomax President & CEO of United Negro College Fund;
>>>>>>> Fairfax, VA
>>>>>>> Brother Reynaldo S. Taylor President, Nat'l Black Catholic
>>>>>>> Seminarian Assn; Cincinnati, OH
>>>>>>> Bishop E. Earl McCloud Ecumenical Officer, AME Church; Atlanta, GA
>>>>>>> Bishop Phillip Robert Cousin Fourth Episcopal District, AME Church;
>>>>>>> Chicago, IL
>>>>>>> Bishop Cornal Garnett Henning Eighth Episcopal District, AME Church;
>>>>>>> New Orleans, LA
>>>>>>> Bishop McKinley Young Eleventh Episcopal District, AME Church;
>>>>>>> Jacksonville, FL
>>>>>>> Dr. Carl C. Bell President & CEO of Community Mental Health Council;
>>>>>>> Chicago, IL
>>>>>>> Dr. Marilyn Benoit Past President of American Academy of Child and
>>>>>>> Adolescent Psychiatry; Washington, DC
>>>>>>> Yvette McGee Brown President of Child and Family Advocacy Center;
>>>>>>> Columbus, OH
>>>>>>> Reverend Fred L. Shuttlesworth Past President of Southern Christian
>>>>>>> Leadership Conference
>>>>>>> Judith Jackson President of National Association of Black Social
>>>>>>> Workers; Washington, DC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Compiled by Dr. Alvin Poussaint and EPOCH-USA (End Physical Punishment
>>>>>>> of Children), Columbus, OH 43215, Nadine Block Co-Chair www.stophitting.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For more information on the problems of corporal punishment and
>>>>>>> especially its effects on the African-American population, please see
>>>>>>> the Fact Sheet on Corporal Punishment.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>

Doan

March 6th 07, 11:30 PM

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:

> Doan wrote:
> > On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:56:41 -0800, Doan > wrote:
> >> ..........My bet is I won't see the request from you.....
> >>
> >> Five hundred dollars($500) says you will see my request in the mail.
> >>
> >> I'm good for a thousand if you wish to up your bet.
> >>
> >>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:10:46 -0800, Doan > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> 0:-> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Or give me an address and I'll send you an envelope and postage.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 0:]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Glad to. Send me a SASE to:
> >>>>> Doan
> >>>>> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
> >>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90089
> >>>> You forgot the postage amount.
> >>>>
> >>> For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the intelligent
> >>> you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can understand the
> >>> study.
> >> If the study-report is very long I'll take a few days to study it. And
> >> then we can proceed with something other than you usual little
> >> foolishnesses....like that's going to stop.
> >>
> >>> My bet is I won't see the request from you. You are as
> >>> transparent as a jelly-fish, Kane. Hihihi!
> >> Yes, I saw your bet. I call you. Any figure from $500 to $,1000 is my
> >> limit. Nothing less than $500 please, or we might think you were just
> >> blowing hard when you bet.
> >>
> >> Nothing more than $1,000 as that would be too cruel to you.
> >>
> >> And no fair blinding yourself, or asking someone else to open my
> >> envelope so "you" don't actually see my request.
> >>
> >> In fact, I'll post here and now, a copy of my letter to you making
> >> that request you bet you won't see, and my request for payment, both
> >> of which you will see.
> >>
> >> You'll be able to judge my 'intelligent' much better soon, I assure
> >> you.
> >>
> >> And my relative transparency.
> >>
> >> As you know I've come to know Don Fisher rather well over the years.
> >> He has been invited to join us. At least in the handling of our
> >> correspondence.
> >>
> > Who is this Don Fisher? I have never known him. How can he be trusted?
>
> Hihihi!
>
> You just withdrew your bet.
>
All I have asked is who is this character, Don Fisher? Seem like you
tried to full a fast one on me with this shady character that I have
never heard of.

Doan

> There now, isn't that a relief for you?
>
> So, your honor is worth $500 bucks, eh? Tsk.
>
> And you have withdrawn your claim that you will not see my request,
> admitting it was a calculated lie.
>
> Or would you like to bet again?
>
> So, your honor is worth $500 bucks, eh? Tsk.
>
> And lucky for you, you just saved your lying cowardly ass $500.
>
> I'll have this post for you the next time you claim "you are the proven
> liar, Kane."
>
> Here's a little gift for you, bright boy:
>
> I could not collect from you legally in California anyway.
>
> Doan't you ever check anything? It would have been so much more easy an
> out for you, stupid.
>
> But I would have waited for you to visit my state. 0:]
>
> I have it on good authority, by the way, you can get it in that
> format....free through the University of Southern California library.
> Know them? 17 pages as I recall. All you need is student or staff
> library privs. Then you could have sent it to me.
>
> Any particular reason you wanted a return address envelope?
>
> Planning on sharing Don's address? Thought you'd 'expose' Kane? R R R R
> R R.
>
> Once more playing unethical lying games, Doan?
>
> So, send me the study.
>
> That is my request that you bet you wouldn't see, coward.
>
> When I get it from you I'll still have Don send the envelope. I'm
> honorable. You are not.
>
> You are a liar, Proven, Doan. Your parents would be proud. For nothing
> more than a silly little ego game. Tsk. Liar, tsk.
>
> Deny it.
>
> 0:]
>
> >
> > Doan
> >
> >> And transfer of funds. Upon our acceptance of my call on your bet I
> >> will place whatever amount you agree to between $500 and $1,000. If I
> >> fail to give him the go ahead on sending my request (which would be
> >> kind of silly unless I were dead...0:>) he will send you the money.
> >>
> >> When you receive my request in the mail, and it will be sent Return
> >> Receipt Requested, he will accept payment for me.
> >>
> >> I expect payment by mail. Please send you money to pay your debt again
> >> with USPS RRR. That way you will have a record of Don receiving it
> >> should there be any question about you having sent or not sent the
> >> money.
> >>
> >> Here is the letter I just forwarded to him electronically, and he will
> >> print out, when the amount is decided upon, and send to you, making my
> >> request.
> >>
> >> Thank you, Doan.
> >>
> >> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
> >>
> >> March 5, 2007 10:52am
> >>
> >> Doan
> >> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
> >> Los Angeles, CA 90089
> >>
> >> Doan,
> >>
> >> Here is the request accompanying the envelope you said you bet I would
> >> not send for the study.
> >>
> >> Please send me the study, and your $500.
> >>
> >> Your posted comments below for a reminder of your bet.
> >>
> >> ">On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:10:46 -0800, Doan > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> 0:-> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Or give me an address and I'll send you an envelope and postage.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 0:]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Glad to. Send me a SASE to:
> >>>>> Doan
> >>>>> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
> >>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90089
> >>>> You forgot the postage amount.
> >>>>
> >>> For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the intelligent
> >>> you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can understand the
> >>> study. My bet is I won't see the request from you. "
> >> You are seeing my request.
> >>
> >> Don Fisher has kindly agreed to handle my correspondence with you.
> >>
> >> So then, please make the check out to Donald L. Fisher, who I trust to
> >> handle the transaction for us and cash your check for me.
> >>
> >> Or, you can be obtuse, and make it out to Pohaku Kane, and I assure
> >> you, my bank will take it. They have before. Though that business I
> >> used it for for so many years was closed over 20 years ago.
> >>
> >> In any case you'll see your account reduced by the amount, in short
> >> order.
> >>
> >> The study please, I request it.
> >>
> >> Transparent and JellyFish enough for you, Doan?
> >>
> >> Affectionately, 0:]
> >>
> >> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
> >>
> >>
> >> Doan't you think that it would have been more profitable, money-wise,
> >> or credibility-wise (you get to pick now), to have simply debated the
> >> issues below and left off the smart ass bull**** that's gotten you in
> >> so much trouble before with your dodging?
> >>
> >>> Doan
> >> Have a happy Hihihi.
> >>
> >> I also wish to inform you and any posters or readers to these
> >> newsgroups, that if I should ever use the term 'bet' as in "I bet," in
> >> the future, it's to be considered a figure of speech. 0:]
> >>
> >> You might want to now place your own disclaimer before you slip again.
> >>
> >> Here, fill in the blank_________________________.
> >>
> >> Kane
> >>
> >>>>> Hihihi!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Doan wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Doan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Where were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they find
> >>>>>>>>>> the same CORRELATIONS with non-cp alternatives?
> >>>>>>>>> What was the study premise, Doan. Read the first two paragraphs. And
> >>>>>>>>> then go back to your original claim about Black children and CP with
> >>>>>>>>> this in mind:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The studies wasn't about Black children, STUPID. However the authors
> >>>>>>>> did say:
> >>>>>>>> "One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
> >>>>>>>> recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
> >>>>>>>> groups,"
> >>>>>>> Yep, and you've ignored the rest.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As for black children, what do you usually call African children?
> >>>>>>>> Do you always like making a fool of yourself, Kane? Hihihi!
> >>>>>>> I couldn't keep up with you doing it to yourself even if I tried, Doan.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Doan
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Why did you to take to Gregorizing, Doan? Can't argue with the full
> >>>>>>> information in front of the reader?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> They'll see too easily what you really are?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Try reading again, what you quoted above, Doan.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It doesn't say there is a need for caution in making recommendations
> >>>>>>> about parenting practices.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Just about across different cultural groups.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There are plenty of black people that do not go along with the "spanking
> >>>>>>> is good for black children," kant.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That would be within the culture and doubtless constitutes a
> >>>>>>> recommendation.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In fact I see a lot of claims about "the black community" and it's
> >>>>>>> universal acceptance of spanking, but being made by whites, Doan.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'd have to say that's a bit of cross cultural intrusion, wouldn't you?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> When I want to know what a person of another ethnicity thinks I ask. And
> >>>>>>> I don't repeat what they say unless I read or hear them say it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Do you know the name, Poussaint?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2812/corporal_punishment_hidden_costs/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical
> >>>>>>> School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long
> >>>>>>> opposed the use of corporal punishment.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> His major argument is simple: ï¿½the use of corporal punishment teaches
> >>>>>>> children that violence is the way to solve problems.ï¿½ Poussaint, who was
> >>>>>>> an adviser to the popular program ï¿½The Cosby Show,ï¿½ says corporal
> >>>>>>> punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
> >>>>>>> black community.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
> >>>>>>> and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
> >>>>>>> as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
> >>>>>>> pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
> >>>>>>> that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ï¿½Thereï¿½s an overuse of beating kids,ï¿½ he said, breaking a major taboo
> >>>>>>> among black leadership by raising this issue. ï¿½So that you have 80
> >>>>>>> percent of black parents believing you should beat themï¿½beat the devil
> >>>>>>> out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
> >>>>>>> get.ï¿½
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
> >>>>>>> anger. According to figures from the Department of Justiceï¿½s Bureau of
> >>>>>>> Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
> >>>>>>> Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
> >>>>>>> murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
> >>>>>>> fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
> >>>>>>> five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
> >>>>>>> ten times the white rate.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
> >>>>>>> segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
> >>>>>>> supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
> >>>>>>> behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
> >>>>>>> responsibility and cultural standards.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaintï¿½s
> >>>>>>> anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesnï¿½t make sense is
> >>>>>>> that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
> >>>>>>> corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
> >>>>>>> spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
> >>>>>>> spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
> >>>>>>> African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
> >>>>>>> harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment theyï¿½re sure to
> >>>>>>> receive in the Untied States.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
> >>>>>>> prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
> >>>>>>> doesnï¿½t work. "
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Author, Corporal Punishmentï¿½s Hidden Costs
> >>>>>>> By Salim Muwakkil
> >>>>>>> In These Times, September 8, 2006
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I've a hunch he's Black.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Assigning universal attributes to a culture is very tricky business
> >>>>>>> under any circumstances.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Even the researchers in the International study didn't go for that.

0:->

March 6th 07, 11:40 PM

Doan wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:00:05 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>>
>>> It wasn't there when I looked. All I got was:
>>>
>>> Information from whois :
>>> Network Owner: unknown
>>> Registered on: unknown
>>> Updated on: unknown
>>> Expires on: unknown
>>> Netblock(s): unknown unknown
>>>
>>> Something is up with Senderbase. Got a number for me to call?
>> Sure, since I've been giving you a demonstration of the many dodges
>> Doan't uses, try 555.555.5555
>>
> That number doesn't work, Kane. Got another one?
>
>> Hi hi hi, good buddy.
>>
> Hihihi!
>
>> I suspect YOUR system is at fault. Try posting from home.
>>
> My system is fine. It has to be the "proxy checker" at Senderbase.

They use Whois. I guess you didn't notice because you keep hiding that
block of information, or none information in the lower left quadrant.
>
>> Or go down the hall to a workstation on the network.
>>
>> Or just keep trying like I did.
>>
>> I pulled a blank once on that ip today, but it only took one more to
>> pull up info.
>>
>> It is a database, you know, and you know how twitchy they can be
>> sometimes on line. I wonder if they are on a Linux based server. R R R
>> R R
>>
> Hihihi! Wow. Trying to sound knowledgeable, Kane?

Not in the least. No need to try.

>> What fascinates me most about your inquiry, is that every time you
>> claim you got nothing, you fail to copy and paste the empty fields
>> with their titles, but you manage to find all the other blocks, their
>> fields and print them.
>>
>> Now why would you play that kind of game, Doan't?
>>
>> You been "run" Doan't, and all you foot stomping isn't going to change
>> that. Including your claims that I lied...when what I did was a simple
>> mirror of you and your tactics.
>>
> Hihihi. The only one that doing the running is YOU, Empty Kane.

No, I told you I gave you a run of your own style of posting as an
object lesson.

Take it or leave it.

>> You know, slide here, slide there, slide away from the actual issue?
>>
> Yup! Like you sliding from the PROOF that Alina is me?

I never thought you were Alina, stupid. I jerked your chain for a year
or two.

> Or like
> you sliding from the fact that you have not called Senderbase. You
> can't even give me their number, Kane!

650 989 6544

You must be dreaming again. AFdreaming.

>> Ever time you accuse me you are simply accusing yourself..for those
>> ARE your tactics. To make claims that are out of context, and dodge
>> when confronted.
>>
>> You are a liar. Face it, child.
>>
> The proven LIAR is you, Kane!

You just reneged after betting me I wouldn't make the request.

No, my boy, it's you, and unlike me who would mislead only to protect
others and their lives, YOU lied simply to score a point in debate.

You're kind of sick.
>
>> It's not clever. IT'S DOAN LYING.
>>
> It's Empty Kane making noises! Hihihi!

That prove you are a liar, and now a coward.

You reneged on your bet. Want to see the post?

"Who is this Don Fisher? I have never known him. How can he be trusted?

Doan"

You don't need the name of the bank teller to do business here, nor the
name of the postman to send a letter. Don is my agent, nothing more.

You ran, little boy.

>
>> And if you continue it with me, and do not acknowledge when I have
>> shown that you made a "mistake," like your claim about Straus v
>> Baumrind and careful concealment by omission of everything he said, I
>> may run another mirror on your sorry lying ass again.
>>
> Hihihi! Straus said Baumrind study is the best! That claim has
> been proven.
>
>> There is no shortage of such from your posting archives, Doan.
>>
> Same to you, Empty Kane.
>
>> And I keep them offline where you can't have them dropped from Usenet.
>>
> Hihihi! How do you that, Kane?
>
> EK:->
>
>> 0:-]
>>
>>
>>
>>> Doan
>>>
>>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:15:40 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Kane,
>>>>> I tried putting your ip address into the Senderbase site and guess what?
>>>>> It said that you are using a "fictitous address"!!! Hihihi!
>>>> The word fictitious does not appear on the page. Why are you lying
>>>> again?
>>>>> Report on IP address: 66.228.25.123
>>>> Okay, I will, before ending this post, enter that information and
>>>> report it back, and unlike YOU I'll provide the link. Why have you
>>>> hidden the link?
>>>>
>>>> And why have you pasted every section of the page, but the one that
>>>> DOES have the ISP source ID information, AGAIN, Doan?
>>>>
>>>> Just can't resist lying?
>>>> The following block of data fields starts on the left upper section of
>>>> the page, Doan:
>>>>> Volume Statistics for this IP
>>>>> Magnitude Vol Change vs. Average
>>>>> Last day 0.0 -100%
>>>>> Last 30 days 0.0 -100%
>>>>> Average 0.0
>>>>>
>>>> The next block below it is as follows. Roughly left center position:
>>>>
>>>>> Third-party Certification
>>>>> Sender Score Certified? Not Certified
>>>>> TRUSTe Privacy Seal? Not Certified
>>>> The next line is from the top of the block I have referred to
>>>> repeatedly.
>>>>
>>>>> Information from whois
>>>>>
>>>>> Please wait...loading data...
>>>>>
>>>> And suddenly you record NOTHING, not even paste the blank fields you
>>>> claim are there?
>>>>
>>>> Where's the lower left corner block of fields, Doan? They belong right
>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> Didn't your mommy teach you, in between spankings, your left from your
>>>> right and top from bottom?
>>>>
>>>> Here's what I get in the whois block...that seems to be missing from
>>>> your post...liar.
>>>>
>>>> (stay tuned, because not only am I going to provide you that block,
>>>> but unlike YOU I'm going to provide a link so people can see you lied.
>>>>
>>>> This block of information below is the set of fields on the RIGHT side
>>>> of the page, and sometimes shows info and sometimes does not. I've
>>>> posted all this before, including all blocks of data fields on the
>>>> page, but you cut section, AGAIN, that I've noted in prior posts.
>>>>
>>>> Read on.
>>>>
>>>>> Other information about this IP address
>>>>> Sender Category unknown
>>>>> Network Owner unknown
>>>>> Domain unknown
>>>>> Date of first message seen from this address
>>>>> CIDR range unknown
>>>>> # of domains controlled by this network owner 0
>>>>> Geography data
>>>>> Country unknown
>>>>> State unknown
>>>>> City unknown
>>>>> Postal code unknown
>>>>>
>>>>> Related links
>>>>> Google groups
>>>>> http://groups.google.com/groups?scoring=d&q=66.228.25.123+group:*abuse*
>>>>> SpamCop http://spamcop.net/w3m?action=checkblock&ip=66.228.25.123
>>>>>
>>>>> Real-time blacklists [ Click to view all ]
>>>>> not in any blacklists
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No address list shown since no email was detected from 66.228.25.0/24.
>>>> That is all information BUT the information that matters. The lower
>>>> left block. Observe, liar:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.senderbase.org/search?searchString=66.228.25.123
>>>>
>>>> That's my IP for today, the same one you just used.
>>>> As you said earlier in the post:
>>>>> Report on IP address: 66.228.25.123
>>>> And all the page reads exactly as you have posted, except for that
>>>> lower left block, Doan, that was blank on running Alina's IP number.
>>>>
>>>> With MINE it says this:
>>>>
>>>> Information from whois [ Click to show details ]
>>>> Network Owner: Gorge Networks Inc.
>>>> Registered on: 2006-02-16
>>>> Updated on: 2006-02-16
>>>> Expires on: unknown
>>>> Netblock(s): 66.228.16.0/20
>>>>
>>>> And if I "[ Click to show details ]" I get:
>>>>
>>>> OrgName: Gorge Networks Inc.
>>>> OrgID: GRGE
>>>> Address: 616 Industrial Ste. 401
>>>> City: Hood River
>>>> StateProv: OR
>>>> PostalCode: 97031
>>>> Country: US
>>>>
>>>> NetRange: 66.228.16.0 - 66.228.31.255
>>>> CIDR: 66.228.16.0/20
>>>> NetName: GNBLCK-3
>>>> NetHandle: NET-66-228-16-0-1
>>>> Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0
>>>> NetType: Direct Allocation
>>>> NameServer: SERV.GORGE.NET
>>>> NameServer: DNS2.GORGE.NET
>>>> Comment:
>>>> RegDate: 2006-02-16
>>>> Updated: 2006-02-16
>>>>
>>>> OrgTechHandle: NETAD59-ARIN
>>>> OrgTechName: Netadmin Team
>>>> OrgTechPhone: +1-541-386-8300
>>>> OrgTechEmail:
>>>>
>>>> # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2007-03-04 19:10
>>>> # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
>>>> ......
>>>>
>>>> Has Doany gots hims a bokin compooter...?
>>>>
>>>> Or is Doan a lying little fleck of cow ****?
>>>>
>>>>> Doan
>>>> The fact is Doan, I've found that site from time to time actually
>>>> failing to process and entry....that is why I run it many times on an
>>>> IP number to see if I can produce results. No matter how many time's I
>>>> ran it it would not produce anthing for Alina's IP number.
>>>>
>>>> But on the first run, for myself and others we've done, bingo...full
>>>> disclosure.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you just got a bad run, Doan....what did you call it, "a bug?"
>>>>
>>>> Or you are lying. I tend to think the latter.
>>>>
>>>> Still haven't owned up to lying about Straus's by quoting out of
>>>> context, have you Doan?
>>>>
>>>> Still lie about me using the word "concede" don't you, Doan?
>>>>
>>>> Rely almost entirely on just such tricks as this....quoting and
>>>> leaving out the relevant information.
>>>>
>>>> Are you under a doctor's care, Doan?
>>>>
>>>> Have you gotten the object lesson yet, or was it too painful and now
>>>> you are upping the intensenty on your squirming weasel efforts to
>>>> escape the uncomfortable truth about yourself?
>>>>
>>>> That you are a liar.
>>>>
>>>> 0:-]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Doan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ....snip....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alina's
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ..snip....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently you don't really want to debate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know when you do by recognizing I'm not going to discuss this
>>>>>> issue with you further.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did not care one way or the other. It was an object lesson for you.
>>>>>> And you got it or you wouldn't be worrying it now trying to dodge real
>>>>>> debate...as usual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kane
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>

0:->

March 6th 07, 11:51 PM

Doan wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:00:05 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>>
>>> It wasn't there when I looked. All I got was:
>>>
>>> Information from whois :
>>> Network Owner: unknown
>>> Registered on: unknown
>>> Updated on: unknown
>>> Expires on: unknown
>>> Netblock(s): unknown unknown
>>>
>>> Something is up with Senderbase. Got a number for me to call?
>> Sure, since I've been giving you a demonstration of the many dodges
>> Doan't uses, try 555.555.5555
>>
> That number doesn't work, Kane. Got another one?
>
>> Hi hi hi, good buddy.
>>
> Hihihi!
>
>> I suspect YOUR system is at fault. Try posting from home.
>>
> My system is fine. It has to be the "proxy checker" at Senderbase.
>
>> Or go down the hall to a workstation on the network.
>>
>> Or just keep trying like I did.
>>
>> I pulled a blank once on that ip today, but it only took one more to
>> pull up info.
>>
>> It is a database, you know, and you know how twitchy they can be
>> sometimes on line. I wonder if they are on a Linux based server. R R R
>> R R
>>
> Hihihi! Wow. Trying to sound knowledgeable, Kane?
>
>> What fascinates me most about your inquiry, is that every time you
>> claim you got nothing, you fail to copy and paste the empty fields
>> with their titles, but you manage to find all the other blocks, their
>> fields and print them.
>>
>> Now why would you play that kind of game, Doan't?
>>
>> You been "run" Doan't, and all you foot stomping isn't going to change
>> that. Including your claims that I lied...when what I did was a simple
>> mirror of you and your tactics.
>>
> Hihihi. The only one that doing the running is YOU, Empty Kane.
>
>> You know, slide here, slide there, slide away from the actual issue?
>>
> Yup! Like you sliding from the PROOF that Alina is me? Or like
> you sliding from the fact that you have not called Senderbase. You
> can't even give me their number, Kane!
>
>> Ever time you accuse me you are simply accusing yourself..for those
>> ARE your tactics. To make claims that are out of context, and dodge
>> when confronted.
>>
>> You are a liar. Face it, child.
>>
> The proven LIAR is you, Kane!
>
>> It's not clever. IT'S DOAN LYING.
>>
> It's Empty Kane making noises! Hihihi!
>
>> And if you continue it with me, and do not acknowledge when I have
>> shown that you made a "mistake," like your claim about Straus v
>> Baumrind and careful concealment by omission of everything he said, I
>> may run another mirror on your sorry lying ass again.
>>
> Hihihi! Straus said Baumrind study is the best!

And you won't post the rest of what he said, will you Doan?

> That claim has
> been proven.

Oh, you now claim that scientific findings in social work are "proof?"

You might want to rethink that. They have conclusions, and those
conclusions do not constitute proof. They constitute evidence.

And what Baumrind claimed to have found is more than offset by her
interpretation of it, but especially other researchers. And she has
made herself extremely scarce when attempts to contact her on this
report of her research is questioned.

She may go down in research history as the one that invented, "Extreme
Demographic Shaving."

Trust me, with the same original group I could have shaved it just a tad
more and got kids that celebrate being spanked. 0;}

She excluded, as you tried with the International study, children that
indeed by our own laws, Greg, in court, have been beaten but the parent
found to have "disciplined" within the law.

If your are going to study the annual apple crop for those that sold
best at market, you do not remove the maggoty ones.

Not if you want to understand the whole apple crop and what needs doing.

You look at all of it, and you note that there is rot, and you set new
cultivation policies.

Baumrind removed the very population that does indeed show that LEGAL
SPANKING does cause adverse reactions in children.

How very scientific.

You too.

Post everything Straus said about Baumrinds presentation of her study.

Go ahead, show what a big honest man you are.

>
>> There is no shortage of such from your posting archives, Doan.
>>
> Same to you, Empty Kane.

Sorry. You are wrong. Even when I've erred and caught it, I've dug up
the source and reported my error back to the group.

You continued to rant as though I had not.

You are unethical.
>
>> And I keep them offline where you can't have them dropped from Usenet.
>>
> Hihihi! How do you that, Kane?

Please tell my you now how to cache a post, Doan. I don't want to think
of you where you are doing what you do and being so ignorant.

> EK:->

Looks like your fear to me, and your talent at coverup. Problem is when
you are all alone at 2 in the morning.....0:]

>
>> 0:-]
>>
>>
>>
>>> Doan
>>>
>>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:15:40 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Kane,
>>>>> I tried putting your ip address into the Senderbase site and guess what?
>>>>> It said that you are using a "fictitous address"!!! Hihihi!
>>>> The word fictitious does not appear on the page. Why are you lying
>>>> again?
>>>>> Report on IP address: 66.228.25.123
>>>> Okay, I will, before ending this post, enter that information and
>>>> report it back, and unlike YOU I'll provide the link. Why have you
>>>> hidden the link?
>>>>
>>>> And why have you pasted every section of the page, but the one that
>>>> DOES have the ISP source ID information, AGAIN, Doan?
>>>>
>>>> Just can't resist lying?
>>>> The following block of data fields starts on the left upper section of
>>>> the page, Doan:
>>>>> Volume Statistics for this IP
>>>>> Magnitude Vol Change vs. Average
>>>>> Last day 0.0 -100%
>>>>> Last 30 days 0.0 -100%
>>>>> Average 0.0
>>>>>
>>>> The next block below it is as follows. Roughly left center position:
>>>>
>>>>> Third-party Certification
>>>>> Sender Score Certified? Not Certified
>>>>> TRUSTe Privacy Seal? Not Certified
>>>> The next line is from the top of the block I have referred to
>>>> repeatedly.
>>>>
>>>>> Information from whois
>>>>>
>>>>> Please wait...loading data...
>>>>>
>>>> And suddenly you record NOTHING, not even paste the blank fields you
>>>> claim are there?
>>>>
>>>> Where's the lower left corner block of fields, Doan? They belong right
>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> Didn't your mommy teach you, in between spankings, your left from your
>>>> right and top from bottom?
>>>>
>>>> Here's what I get in the whois block...that seems to be missing from
>>>> your post...liar.
>>>>
>>>> (stay tuned, because not only am I going to provide you that block,
>>>> but unlike YOU I'm going to provide a link so people can see you lied.
>>>>
>>>> This block of information below is the set of fields on the RIGHT side
>>>> of the page, and sometimes shows info and sometimes does not. I've
>>>> posted all this before, including all blocks of data fields on the
>>>> page, but you cut section, AGAIN, that I've noted in prior posts.
>>>>
>>>> Read on.
>>>>
>>>>> Other information about this IP address
>>>>> Sender Category unknown
>>>>> Network Owner unknown
>>>>> Domain unknown
>>>>> Date of first message seen from this address
>>>>> CIDR range unknown
>>>>> # of domains controlled by this network owner 0
>>>>> Geography data
>>>>> Country unknown
>>>>> State unknown
>>>>> City unknown
>>>>> Postal code unknown
>>>>>
>>>>> Related links
>>>>> Google groups
>>>>> http://groups.google.com/groups?scoring=d&q=66.228.25.123+group:*abuse*
>>>>> SpamCop http://spamcop.net/w3m?action=checkblock&ip=66.228.25.123
>>>>>
>>>>> Real-time blacklists [ Click to view all ]
>>>>> not in any blacklists
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No address list shown since no email was detected from 66.228.25.0/24.
>>>> That is all information BUT the information that matters. The lower
>>>> left block. Observe, liar:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.senderbase.org/search?searchString=66.228.25.123
>>>>
>>>> That's my IP for today, the same one you just used.
>>>> As you said earlier in the post:
>>>>> Report on IP address: 66.228.25.123
>>>> And all the page reads exactly as you have posted, except for that
>>>> lower left block, Doan, that was blank on running Alina's IP number.
>>>>
>>>> With MINE it says this:
>>>>
>>>> Information from whois [ Click to show details ]
>>>> Network Owner: Gorge Networks Inc.
>>>> Registered on: 2006-02-16
>>>> Updated on: 2006-02-16
>>>> Expires on: unknown
>>>> Netblock(s): 66.228.16.0/20
>>>>
>>>> And if I "[ Click to show details ]" I get:
>>>>
>>>> OrgName: Gorge Networks Inc.
>>>> OrgID: GRGE
>>>> Address: 616 Industrial Ste. 401
>>>> City: Hood River
>>>> StateProv: OR
>>>> PostalCode: 97031
>>>> Country: US
>>>>
>>>> NetRange: 66.228.16.0 - 66.228.31.255
>>>> CIDR: 66.228.16.0/20
>>>> NetName: GNBLCK-3
>>>> NetHandle: NET-66-228-16-0-1
>>>> Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0
>>>> NetType: Direct Allocation
>>>> NameServer: SERV.GORGE.NET
>>>> NameServer: DNS2.GORGE.NET
>>>> Comment:
>>>> RegDate: 2006-02-16
>>>> Updated: 2006-02-16
>>>>
>>>> OrgTechHandle: NETAD59-ARIN
>>>> OrgTechName: Netadmin Team
>>>> OrgTechPhone: +1-541-386-8300
>>>> OrgTechEmail:
>>>>
>>>> # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2007-03-04 19:10
>>>> # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
>>>> ......
>>>>
>>>> Has Doany gots hims a bokin compooter...?
>>>>
>>>> Or is Doan a lying little fleck of cow ****?
>>>>
>>>>> Doan
>>>> The fact is Doan, I've found that site from time to time actually
>>>> failing to process and entry....that is why I run it many times on an
>>>> IP number to see if I can produce results. No matter how many time's I
>>>> ran it it would not produce anthing for Alina's IP number.
>>>>
>>>> But on the first run, for myself and others we've done, bingo...full
>>>> disclosure.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you just got a bad run, Doan....what did you call it, "a bug?"
>>>>
>>>> Or you are lying. I tend to think the latter.
>>>>
>>>> Still haven't owned up to lying about Straus's by quoting out of
>>>> context, have you Doan?
>>>>
>>>> Still lie about me using the word "concede" don't you, Doan?
>>>>
>>>> Rely almost entirely on just such tricks as this....quoting and
>>>> leaving out the relevant information.
>>>>
>>>> Are you under a doctor's care, Doan?
>>>>
>>>> Have you gotten the object lesson yet, or was it too painful and now
>>>> you are upping the intensenty on your squirming weasel efforts to
>>>> escape the uncomfortable truth about yourself?
>>>>
>>>> That you are a liar.
>>>>
>>>> 0:-]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Doan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ....snip....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alina's
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ..snip....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently you don't really want to debate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know when you do by recognizing I'm not going to discuss this
>>>>>> issue with you further.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did not care one way or the other. It was an object lesson for you.
>>>>>> And you got it or you wouldn't be worrying it now trying to dodge real
>>>>>> debate...as usual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kane
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>

Doan

March 7th 07, 12:34 AM

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:

> Doan wrote:
> > On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:00:05 -0800, Doan > wrote:
> >>
> >>> It wasn't there when I looked. All I got was:
> >>>
> >>> Information from whois :
> >>> Network Owner: unknown
> >>> Registered on: unknown
> >>> Updated on: unknown
> >>> Expires on: unknown
> >>> Netblock(s): unknown unknown
> >>>
> >>> Something is up with Senderbase. Got a number for me to call?
> >> Sure, since I've been giving you a demonstration of the many dodges
> >> Doan't uses, try 555.555.5555
> >>
> > That number doesn't work, Kane. Got another one?

No number, Kane? Hihihi!

> >
> >> Hi hi hi, good buddy.
> >>
> > Hihihi!
> >
> >> I suspect YOUR system is at fault. Try posting from home.
> >>
> > My system is fine. It has to be the "proxy checker" at Senderbase.
>
> They use Whois. I guess you didn't notice because you keep hiding that
> block of information, or none information in the lower left quadrant.

I can query whois directly. So can you, STUPID!

> >
> >> Or go down the hall to a workstation on the network.
> >>
> >> Or just keep trying like I did.
> >>
> >> I pulled a blank once on that ip today, but it only took one more to
> >> pull up info.
> >>
> >> It is a database, you know, and you know how twitchy they can be
> >> sometimes on line. I wonder if they are on a Linux based server. R R R
> >> R R
> >>
> > Hihihi! Wow. Trying to sound knowledgeable, Kane?
>
> Not in the least. No need to try.
>
So how is Alina's ip address "out of range" again?

> >> What fascinates me most about your inquiry, is that every time you
> >> claim you got nothing, you fail to copy and paste the empty fields
> >> with their titles, but you manage to find all the other blocks, their
> >> fields and print them.
> >>
> >> Now why would you play that kind of game, Doan't?
> >>
> >> You been "run" Doan't, and all you foot stomping isn't going to change
> >> that. Including your claims that I lied...when what I did was a simple
> >> mirror of you and your tactics.
> >>
> > Hihihi. The only one that doing the running is YOU, Empty Kane.
>
> No, I told you I gave you a run of your own style of posting as an
> object lesson.
>
Hihihi! That is your excuse! You run because you cannot support
your FALSE accusation against me.

> Take it or leave it.
>
Take what? You LIES!

> >> You know, slide here, slide there, slide away from the actual issue?
> >>
> > Yup! Like you sliding from the PROOF that Alina is me?
>
> I never thought you were Alina, stupid. I jerked your chain for a year
> or two.
>
So now you are changing your story. Hihihi!

> > Or like
> > you sliding from the fact that you have not called Senderbase. You
> > can't even give me their number, Kane!
>
> 650 989 6544

It's not for Senderbase issue. Are you lying again, Kane?

>
> You must be dreaming again. AFdreaming.
>
It's my dream but I am your nightmare! Hihihi!

> >> Ever time you accuse me you are simply accusing yourself..for those
> >> ARE your tactics. To make claims that are out of context, and dodge
> >> when confronted.
> >>
> >> You are a liar. Face it, child.
> >>
> > The proven LIAR is you, Kane!
>
> You just reneged after betting me I wouldn't make the request.
>
> No, my boy, it's you, and unlike me who would mislead only to protect
> others and their lives, YOU lied simply to score a point in debate.
>
Hihihi! You are just a pathalogic liar, Kane. A STUPID one too!

> You're kind of sick.

And you are kind of insane. Hihihi!

> >
> >> It's not clever. IT'S DOAN LYING.
> >>
> > It's Empty Kane making noises! Hihihi!
>
> That prove you are a liar, and now a coward.
>
The proven LIAR (false accusation) and COWARD (hiding behind a nym) is
YOU!

> You reneged on your bet. Want to see the post?
>
What bet?

> "Who is this Don Fisher? I have never known him. How can he be trusted?
>
> Doan"
>
You haven't told me who Don Fisher is. Why is that?

> You don't need the name of the bank teller to do business here, nor the
> name of the postman to send a letter. Don is my agent, nothing more.
>
Bank tellers are hired by the bank. The bank is FDIC insured. Can
you say the same about Don Fisher? Is he bonded?

> You ran, little boy.
>
You are STUPID, Empty Kane!

EK:-)

>
> >
> >> And if you continue it with me, and do not acknowledge when I have
> >> shown that you made a "mistake," like your claim about Straus v
> >> Baumrind and careful concealment by omission of everything he said, I
> >> may run another mirror on your sorry lying ass again.
> >>
> > Hihihi! Straus said Baumrind study is the best! That claim has
> > been proven.
> >
> >> There is no shortage of such from your posting archives, Doan.
> >>
> > Same to you, Empty Kane.
> >
> >> And I keep them offline where you can't have them dropped from Usenet.
> >>
> > Hihihi! How do you that, Kane?
> >
> > EK:->
> >
> >> 0:-]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Doan
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:15:40 -0800, Doan > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Kane,
> >>>>> I tried putting your ip address into the Senderbase site and guess what?
> >>>>> It said that you are using a "fictitous address"!!! Hihihi!
> >>>> The word fictitious does not appear on the page. Why are you lying
> >>>> again?
> >>>>> Report on IP address: 66.228.25.123
> >>>> Okay, I will, before ending this post, enter that information and
> >>>> report it back, and unlike YOU I'll provide the link. Why have you
> >>>> hidden the link?
> >>>>
> >>>> And why have you pasted every section of the page, but the one that
> >>>> DOES have the ISP source ID information, AGAIN, Doan?
> >>>>
> >>>> Just can't resist lying?
> >>>> The following block of data fields starts on the left upper section of
> >>>> the page, Doan:
> >>>>> Volume Statistics for this IP
> >>>>> Magnitude Vol Change vs. Average
> >>>>> Last day 0.0 -100%
> >>>>> Last 30 days 0.0 -100%
> >>>>> Average 0.0
> >>>>>
> >>>> The next block below it is as follows. Roughly left center position:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Third-party Certification
> >>>>> Sender Score Certified? Not Certified
> >>>>> TRUSTe Privacy Seal? Not Certified
> >>>> The next line is from the top of the block I have referred to
> >>>> repeatedly.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Information from whois
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please wait...loading data...
> >>>>>
> >>>> And suddenly you record NOTHING, not even paste the blank fields you
> >>>> claim are there?
> >>>>
> >>>> Where's the lower left corner block of fields, Doan? They belong right
> >>>> here.
> >>>>
> >>>> Didn't your mommy teach you, in between spankings, your left from your
> >>>> right and top from bottom?
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's what I get in the whois block...that seems to be missing from
> >>>> your post...liar.
> >>>>
> >>>> (stay tuned, because not only am I going to provide you that block,
> >>>> but unlike YOU I'm going to provide a link so people can see you lied.
> >>>>
> >>>> This block of information below is the set of fields on the RIGHT side
> >>>> of the page, and sometimes shows info and sometimes does not. I've
> >>>> posted all this before, including all blocks of data fields on the
> >>>> page, but you cut section, AGAIN, that I've noted in prior posts.
> >>>>
> >>>> Read on.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Other information about this IP address
> >>>>> Sender Category unknown
> >>>>> Network Owner unknown
> >>>>> Domain unknown
> >>>>> Date of first message seen from this address
> >>>>> CIDR range unknown
> >>>>> # of domains controlled by this network owner 0
> >>>>> Geography data
> >>>>> Country unknown
> >>>>> State unknown
> >>>>> City unknown
> >>>>> Postal code unknown
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Related links
> >>>>> Google groups
> >>>>> http://groups.google.com/groups?scoring=d&q=66.228.25.123+group:*abuse*
> >>>>> SpamCop http://spamcop.net/w3m?action=checkblock&ip=66.228.25.123
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Real-time blacklists [ Click to view all ]
> >>>>> not in any blacklists
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No address list shown since no email was detected from 66.228.25.0/24.
> >>>> That is all information BUT the information that matters. The lower
> >>>> left block. Observe, liar:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.senderbase.org/search?searchString=66.228.25.123
> >>>>
> >>>> That's my IP for today, the same one you just used.
> >>>> As you said earlier in the post:
> >>>>> Report on IP address: 66.228.25.123
> >>>> And all the page reads exactly as you have posted, except for that
> >>>> lower left block, Doan, that was blank on running Alina's IP number.
> >>>>
> >>>> With MINE it says this:
> >>>>
> >>>> Information from whois [ Click to show details ]
> >>>> Network Owner: Gorge Networks Inc.
> >>>> Registered on: 2006-02-16
> >>>> Updated on: 2006-02-16
> >>>> Expires on: unknown
> >>>> Netblock(s): 66.228.16.0/20
> >>>>
> >>>> And if I "[ Click to show details ]" I get:
> >>>>
> >>>> OrgName: Gorge Networks Inc.
> >>>> OrgID: GRGE
> >>>> Address: 616 Industrial Ste. 401
> >>>> City: Hood River
> >>>> StateProv: OR
> >>>> PostalCode: 97031
> >>>> Country: US
> >>>>
> >>>> NetRange: 66.228.16.0 - 66.228.31.255
> >>>> CIDR: 66.228.16.0/20
> >>>> NetName: GNBLCK-3
> >>>> NetHandle: NET-66-228-16-0-1
> >>>> Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0
> >>>> NetType: Direct Allocation
> >>>> NameServer: SERV.GORGE.NET
> >>>> NameServer: DNS2.GORGE.NET
> >>>> Comment:
> >>>> RegDate: 2006-02-16
> >>>> Updated: 2006-02-16
> >>>>
> >>>> OrgTechHandle: NETAD59-ARIN
> >>>> OrgTechName: Netadmin Team
> >>>> OrgTechPhone: +1-541-386-8300
> >>>> OrgTechEmail:
> >>>>
> >>>> # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2007-03-04 19:10
> >>>> # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
> >>>> ......
> >>>>
> >>>> Has Doany gots hims a bokin compooter...?
> >>>>
> >>>> Or is Doan a lying little fleck of cow ****?
> >>>>
> >>>>> Doan
> >>>> The fact is Doan, I've found that site from time to time actually
> >>>> failing to process and entry....that is why I run it many times on an
> >>>> IP number to see if I can produce results. No matter how many time's I
> >>>> ran it it would not produce anthing for Alina's IP number.
> >>>>
> >>>> But on the first run, for myself and others we've done, bingo...full
> >>>> disclosure.
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe you just got a bad run, Doan....what did you call it, "a bug?"
> >>>>
> >>>> Or you are lying. I tend to think the latter.
> >>>>
> >>>> Still haven't owned up to lying about Straus's by quoting out of
> >>>> context, have you Doan?
> >>>>
> >>>> Still lie about me using the word "concede" don't you, Doan?
> >>>>
> >>>> Rely almost entirely on just such tricks as this....quoting and
> >>>> leaving out the relevant information.
> >>>>
> >>>> Are you under a doctor's care, Doan?
> >>>>
> >>>> Have you gotten the object lesson yet, or was it too painful and now
> >>>> you are upping the intensenty on your squirming weasel efforts to
> >>>> escape the uncomfortable truth about yourself?
> >>>>
> >>>> That you are a liar.
> >>>>
> >>>> 0:-]
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Doan wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ....snip....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Alina's
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ..snip....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Apparently you don't really want to debate.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Let me know when you do by recognizing I'm not going to discuss this
> >>>>>> issue with you further.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I did not care one way or the other. It was an object lesson for you.
> >>>>>> And you got it or you wouldn't be worrying it now trying to dodge real
> >>>>>> debate...as usual.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kane
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
>

0:->

March 7th 07, 12:39 AM

Doan wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>
>> Doan wrote:
>>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:56:41 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>>>> ..........My bet is I won't see the request from you.....
>>>>
>>>> Five hundred dollars($500) says you will see my request in the mail.
>>>>
>>>> I'm good for a thousand if you wish to up your bet.
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:10:46 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 0:-> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or give me an address and I'll send you an envelope and postage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 0:]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Glad to. Send me a SASE to:
>>>>>>> Doan
>>>>>>> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
>>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90089
>>>>>> You forgot the postage amount.
>>>>>>
>>>>> For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the intelligent
>>>>> you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can understand the
>>>>> study.
>>>> If the study-report is very long I'll take a few days to study it. And
>>>> then we can proceed with something other than you usual little
>>>> foolishnesses....like that's going to stop.
>>>>
>>>>> My bet is I won't see the request from you. You are as
>>>>> transparent as a jelly-fish, Kane. Hihihi!
>>>> Yes, I saw your bet. I call you. Any figure from $500 to $,1000 is my
>>>> limit. Nothing less than $500 please, or we might think you were just
>>>> blowing hard when you bet.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing more than $1,000 as that would be too cruel to you.
>>>>
>>>> And no fair blinding yourself, or asking someone else to open my
>>>> envelope so "you" don't actually see my request.
>>>>
>>>> In fact, I'll post here and now, a copy of my letter to you making
>>>> that request you bet you won't see, and my request for payment, both
>>>> of which you will see.
>>>>
>>>> You'll be able to judge my 'intelligent' much better soon, I assure
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>> And my relative transparency.
>>>>
>>>> As you know I've come to know Don Fisher rather well over the years.
>>>> He has been invited to join us. At least in the handling of our
>>>> correspondence.
>>>>
>>> Who is this Don Fisher? I have never known him. How can he be trusted?
>> Hihihi!
>>
>> You just withdrew your bet.
>>
> All I have asked is who is this character, Don Fisher?

Why the question mark? That's not a question.

Nor are you entitled to know the even the name of my postman.

> Seem like you
> tried to full a fast one on me with this shady character

Would you care to make that claim official? What do you mean by shady?

> that I have
> never heard of.

Lie.

Sorry, doesn't compute. You have responded to thread, where he's been
discussed, and you have tried to threaten me by using HIS wife's name in
the belief he is me and I'll back off out of fear of exposure.

Read you posts, dummy. Most of us have.

>

You reneged, now you are running from your cowardly bet and your
unwillingness to honor it.

And you are lying to do it.

What about Don Fisher is shady, Doan? Speak right up, coward.

> Doan
>
>> There now, isn't that a relief for you?
>>
>> So, your honor is worth $500 bucks, eh? Tsk.
>>
>> And you have withdrawn your claim that you will not see my request,
>> admitting it was a calculated lie.
>>
>> Or would you like to bet again?
>>
>> So, your honor is worth $500 bucks, eh? Tsk.
>>
>> And lucky for you, you just saved your lying cowardly ass $500.
>>
>> I'll have this post for you the next time you claim "you are the proven
>> liar, Kane."
>>
>> Here's a little gift for you, bright boy:
>>
>> I could not collect from you legally in California anyway.
>>
>> Doan't you ever check anything? It would have been so much more easy an
>> out for you, stupid.
>>
>> But I would have waited for you to visit my state. 0:]
>>
>> I have it on good authority, by the way, you can get it in that
>> format....free through the University of Southern California library.
>> Know them? 17 pages as I recall. All you need is student or staff
>> library privs. Then you could have sent it to me.
>>
>> Any particular reason you wanted a return address envelope?
>>
>> Planning on sharing Don's address? Thought you'd 'expose' Kane? R R R R
>> R R.
>>
>> Once more playing unethical lying games, Doan?
>>
>> So, send me the study.
>>
>> That is my request that you bet you wouldn't see, coward.
>>
>> When I get it from you I'll still have Don send the envelope. I'm
>> honorable. You are not.
>>
>> You are a liar, Proven, Doan. Your parents would be proud. For nothing
>> more than a silly little ego game. Tsk. Liar, tsk.
>>
>> Deny it.
>>
>> 0:]
>>
>>> Doan
>>>
>>>> And transfer of funds. Upon our acceptance of my call on your bet I
>>>> will place whatever amount you agree to between $500 and $1,000. If I
>>>> fail to give him the go ahead on sending my request (which would be
>>>> kind of silly unless I were dead...0:>) he will send you the money.
>>>>
>>>> When you receive my request in the mail, and it will be sent Return
>>>> Receipt Requested, he will accept payment for me.
>>>>
>>>> I expect payment by mail. Please send you money to pay your debt again
>>>> with USPS RRR. That way you will have a record of Don receiving it
>>>> should there be any question about you having sent or not sent the
>>>> money.
>>>>
>>>> Here is the letter I just forwarded to him electronically, and he will
>>>> print out, when the amount is decided upon, and send to you, making my
>>>> request.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you, Doan.
>>>>
>>>> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
>>>>
>>>> March 5, 2007 10:52am
>>>>
>>>> Doan
>>>> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90089
>>>>
>>>> Doan,
>>>>
>>>> Here is the request accompanying the envelope you said you bet I would
>>>> not send for the study.
>>>>
>>>> Please send me the study, and your $500.
>>>>
>>>> Your posted comments below for a reminder of your bet.
>>>>
>>>> ">On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:10:46 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 0:-> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or give me an address and I'll send you an envelope and postage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 0:]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Glad to. Send me a SASE to:
>>>>>>> Doan
>>>>>>> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
>>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90089
>>>>>> You forgot the postage amount.
>>>>>>
>>>>> For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the intelligent
>>>>> you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can understand the
>>>>> study. My bet is I won't see the request from you. "
>>>> You are seeing my request.
>>>>
>>>> Don Fisher has kindly agreed to handle my correspondence with you.
>>>>
>>>> So then, please make the check out to Donald L. Fisher, who I trust to
>>>> handle the transaction for us and cash your check for me.
>>>>
>>>> Or, you can be obtuse, and make it out to Pohaku Kane, and I assure
>>>> you, my bank will take it. They have before. Though that business I
>>>> used it for for so many years was closed over 20 years ago.
>>>>
>>>> In any case you'll see your account reduced by the amount, in short
>>>> order.
>>>>
>>>> The study please, I request it.
>>>>
>>>> Transparent and JellyFish enough for you, Doan?
>>>>
>>>> Affectionately, 0:]
>>>>
>>>> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Doan't you think that it would have been more profitable, money-wise,
>>>> or credibility-wise (you get to pick now), to have simply debated the
>>>> issues below and left off the smart ass bull**** that's gotten you in
>>>> so much trouble before with your dodging?
>>>>
>>>>> Doan
>>>> Have a happy Hihihi.
>>>>
>>>> I also wish to inform you and any posters or readers to these
>>>> newsgroups, that if I should ever use the term 'bet' as in "I bet," in
>>>> the future, it's to be considered a figure of speech. 0:]
>>>>
>>>> You might want to now place your own disclaimer before you slip again.
>>>>
>>>> Here, fill in the blank_________________________.
>>>>
>>>> Kane
>>>>
>>>>>>> Hihihi!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Doan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they find
>>>>>>>>>>>> the same CORRELATIONS with non-cp alternatives?
>>>>>>>>>>> What was the study premise, Doan. Read the first two paragraphs. And
>>>>>>>>>>> then go back to your original claim about Black children and CP with
>>>>>>>>>>> this in mind:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The studies wasn't about Black children, STUPID. However the authors
>>>>>>>>>> did say:
>>>>>>>>>> "One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
>>>>>>>>>> recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
>>>>>>>>>> groups,"
>>>>>>>>> Yep, and you've ignored the rest.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As for black children, what do you usually call African children?
>>>>>>>>>> Do you always like making a fool of yourself, Kane? Hihihi!
>>>>>>>>> I couldn't keep up with you doing it to yourself even if I tried, Doan.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why did you to take to Gregorizing, Doan? Can't argue with the full
>>>>>>>>> information in front of the reader?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They'll see too easily what you really are?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Try reading again, what you quoted above, Doan.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It doesn't say there is a need for caution in making recommendations
>>>>>>>>> about parenting practices.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just about across different cultural groups.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are plenty of black people that do not go along with the "spanking
>>>>>>>>> is good for black children," kant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That would be within the culture and doubtless constitutes a
>>>>>>>>> recommendation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In fact I see a lot of claims about "the black community" and it's
>>>>>>>>> universal acceptance of spanking, but being made by whites, Doan.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd have to say that's a bit of cross cultural intrusion, wouldn't you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I want to know what a person of another ethnicity thinks I ask. And
>>>>>>>>> I don't repeat what they say unless I read or hear them say it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you know the name, Poussaint?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2812/corporal_punishment_hidden_costs/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical
>>>>>>>>> School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long
>>>>>>>>> opposed the use of corporal punishment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> His major argument is simple: ï¿½the use of corporal punishment teaches
>>>>>>>>> children that violence is the way to solve problems.ï¿½ Poussaint, who was
>>>>>>>>> an adviser to the popular program ï¿½The Cosby Show,ï¿½ says corporal
>>>>>>>>> punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
>>>>>>>>> black community.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
>>>>>>>>> and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
>>>>>>>>> as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
>>>>>>>>> pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
>>>>>>>>> that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ï¿½Thereï¿½s an overuse of beating kids,ï¿½ he said, breaking a major taboo
>>>>>>>>> among black leadership by raising this issue. ï¿½So that you have 80
>>>>>>>>> percent of black parents believing you should beat themï¿½beat the devil
>>>>>>>>> out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
>>>>>>>>> get.ï¿½
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
>>>>>>>>> anger. According to figures from the Department of Justiceï¿½s Bureau of
>>>>>>>>> Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
>>>>>>>>> Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
>>>>>>>>> murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
>>>>>>>>> fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
>>>>>>>>> five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
>>>>>>>>> ten times the white rate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
>>>>>>>>> segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
>>>>>>>>> supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
>>>>>>>>> behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
>>>>>>>>> responsibility and cultural standards.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaintï¿½s
>>>>>>>>> anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesnï¿½t make sense is
>>>>>>>>> that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
>>>>>>>>> corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
>>>>>>>>> spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
>>>>>>>>> spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
>>>>>>>>> African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
>>>>>>>>> harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment theyï¿½re sure to
>>>>>>>>> receive in the Untied States.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
>>>>>>>>> prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
>>>>>>>>> doesnï¿½t work. "
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Author, Corporal Punishmentï¿½s Hidden Costs
>>>>>>>>> By Salim Muwakkil
>>>>>>>>> In These Times, September 8, 2006
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've a hunch he's Black.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Assigning universal attributes to a culture is very tricky business
>>>>>>>>> under any circumstances.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Even the researchers in the International study didn't go for that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They made plain that cultural beliefs and actual performance
>>>>>>>>> varied...the point of the study.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I suggest YOU stop speaking for the Black community, Doan, as you have
>>>>>>>>> been inclined to do on this issue, making claims
>>>>>>>>> you have been completely unable to support.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or, go over to "Black Studies," and speak directly to them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.usc.edu/dept/publications/cat2006/schools/college/amst/african_american.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tell them you know their story and their beliefs better than they do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 0:-]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd say the following are some fair heavyweights in the Black Community,
>>>>>>>>> wouldn't you? Though not everyone is going to agree with them, of course.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PROCLAMATION signed by African American Leaders
>>>>>>>>> OPPOSING SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment is defined as the intentional infliction of
>>>>>>>>> physical pain for purposes of stopping or preventing misbehavior, and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment in schools is disproportionately used on
>>>>>>>>> African-American children, and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, anger and violence can get out of control with corporal
>>>>>>>>> punishment causing injuries such as bleeding, bruises, and broken bones,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment conveys a message to children that violence
>>>>>>>>> is an acceptable method for dealing with conflict, and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, overwhelming evidence suggests that other methods of discipline
>>>>>>>>> work better like setting reasonable rules and standards, correcting
>>>>>>>>> children in a respectful, non-violent and consistent manner, praise and
>>>>>>>>> reward for appropriate behavior.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, all children deserve to be able to learn in a safe and
>>>>>>>>> supportive learning environment free from corporal punishment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, we urge all school boards to ban corporal punishment and
>>>>>>>>> we urge state legislators in all states allowing its use to pass
>>>>>>>>> legislation ending school corporal punishment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> SIGNATURES OF AFRICAN AMERICAN LEADERS ON A PROCLAMATION CALLING FOR A
>>>>>>>>> BAN ON SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT 12-04
>>>>>>>>> Dr. Alvin Poussaint Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School
>>>>>>>>> and Judge Baker Children's Center; Boston, MA
>>>>>>>>> Julian Bond Chairman of the Board of NAACP, Baltimore, MD
>>>>>>>>> Kweisi Mfume Past President & CEO of NAACP; Baltimore, MD
>>>>>>>>> Reverend Jesse Jackson, Sr. Founder & President of PUSH/EXCEL;
>>>>>>>>> Chicago, IL
>>>>>>>>> Marc H. Morial President & CEO of Urban League; New York, NY
>>>>>>>>> Dr. Michelle Clark Committee on Black Psychiatrists, American
>>>>>>>>> Psychiatric Assn.; Los Angeles, CA
>>>>>>>>> Dr. Winston Price President of National Medical Association;
>>>>>>>>> Washington, DC
>>>>>>>>> Marion Wright Edelman President of Children's Defense Fund;
>>>>>>>>> Washington, DC
>>>>>>>>> Dr. Deloris M. Saunders President of National Alliance of Black
>>>>>>>>> School Educators; Washington, DC
>>>>>>>>> Dr. Michael Lomax President & CEO of United Negro College Fund;
>>>>>>>>> Fairfax, VA
>>>>>>>>> Brother Reynaldo S. Taylor President, Nat'l Black Catholic
>>>>>>>>> Seminarian Assn; Cincinnati, OH
>>>>>>>>> Bishop E. Earl McCloud Ecumenical Officer, AME Church; Atlanta, GA
>>>>>>>>> Bishop Phillip Robert Cousin Fourth Episcopal District, AME Church;
>>>>>>>>> Chicago, IL
>>>>>>>>> Bishop Cornal Garnett Henning Eighth Episcopal District, AME Church;
>>>>>>>>> New Orleans, LA
>>>>>>>>> Bishop McKinley Young Eleventh Episcopal District, AME Church;
>>>>>>>>> Jacksonville, FL
>>>>>>>>> Dr. Carl C. Bell President & CEO of Community Mental Health Council;
>>>>>>>>> Chicago, IL
>>>>>>>>> Dr. Marilyn Benoit Past President of American Academy of Child and
>>>>>>>>> Adolescent Psychiatry; Washington, DC
>>>>>>>>> Yvette McGee Brown President of Child and Family Advocacy Center;
>>>>>>>>> Columbus, OH
>>>>>>>>> Reverend Fred L. Shuttlesworth Past President of Southern Christian
>>>>>>>>> Leadership Conference
>>>>>>>>> Judith Jackson President of National Association of Black Social
>>>>>>>>> Workers; Washington, DC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Compiled by Dr. Alvin Poussaint and EPOCH-USA (End Physical Punishment
>>>>>>>>> of Children), Columbus, OH 43215, Nadine Block Co-Chair www.stophitting.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For more information on the problems of corporal punishment and
>>>>>>>>> especially its effects on the African-American population, please see
>>>>>>>>> the Fact Sheet on Corporal Punishment.
>

Doan

March 7th 07, 12:51 AM

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:

> >> You just withdrew your bet.
> >>
> > All I have asked is who is this character, Don Fisher?
>
> Why the question mark? That's not a question.
>
That is a questio, a question you still haven't answered!

> Nor are you entitled to know the even the name of my postman.
>
I can ask. What is it that you are hiding?

> > Seem like you
> > tried to full a fast one on me with this shady character
>
> Would you care to make that claim official? What do you mean by shady?
>
Shady = not clear. Can you make it clear whois this character is?

> > that I have
> > never heard of.
>
> Lie.
>
The proven LIAR is YOU!

> Sorry, doesn't compute. You have responded to thread, where he's been
> discussed, and you have tried to threaten me by using HIS wife's name in
> the belief he is me and I'll back off out of fear of exposure.
>
Huh? Who is his wife? I did not have a sexual relationship with that
woman! Hihihi!

> Read you posts, dummy. Most of us have.
>
Why woud I waste my time on your LIES?

> >
>
> You reneged, now you are running from your cowardly bet and your
> unwillingness to honor it.
>
What bet is that?

> And you are lying to do it.
>
The proven liar here is YOU!

> What about Don Fisher is shady, Doan? Speak right up, coward.

Who is this Don Fisher, Kane? Speak up, coward!

EK:-)

>
>
> > Doan
> >
> >> There now, isn't that a relief for you?
> >>
> >> So, your honor is worth $500 bucks, eh? Tsk.
> >>
> >> And you have withdrawn your claim that you will not see my request,
> >> admitting it was a calculated lie.
> >>
> >> Or would you like to bet again?
> >>
> >> So, your honor is worth $500 bucks, eh? Tsk.
> >>
> >> And lucky for you, you just saved your lying cowardly ass $500.
> >>
> >> I'll have this post for you the next time you claim "you are the proven
> >> liar, Kane."
> >>
> >> Here's a little gift for you, bright boy:
> >>
> >> I could not collect from you legally in California anyway.
> >>
> >> Doan't you ever check anything? It would have been so much more easy an
> >> out for you, stupid.
> >>
> >> But I would have waited for you to visit my state. 0:]
> >>
> >> I have it on good authority, by the way, you can get it in that
> >> format....free through the University of Southern California library.
> >> Know them? 17 pages as I recall. All you need is student or staff
> >> library privs. Then you could have sent it to me.
> >>
> >> Any particular reason you wanted a return address envelope?
> >>
> >> Planning on sharing Don's address? Thought you'd 'expose' Kane? R R R R
> >> R R.
> >>
> >> Once more playing unethical lying games, Doan?
> >>
> >> So, send me the study.
> >>
> >> That is my request that you bet you wouldn't see, coward.
> >>
> >> When I get it from you I'll still have Don send the envelope. I'm
> >> honorable. You are not.
> >>
> >> You are a liar, Proven, Doan. Your parents would be proud. For nothing
> >> more than a silly little ego game. Tsk. Liar, tsk.
> >>
> >> Deny it.
> >>
> >> 0:]
> >>
> >>> Doan
> >>>
> >>>> And transfer of funds. Upon our acceptance of my call on your bet I
> >>>> will place whatever amount you agree to between $500 and $1,000. If I
> >>>> fail to give him the go ahead on sending my request (which would be
> >>>> kind of silly unless I were dead...0:>) he will send you the money.
> >>>>
> >>>> When you receive my request in the mail, and it will be sent Return
> >>>> Receipt Requested, he will accept payment for me.
> >>>>
> >>>> I expect payment by mail. Please send you money to pay your debt again
> >>>> with USPS RRR. That way you will have a record of Don receiving it
> >>>> should there be any question about you having sent or not sent the
> >>>> money.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is the letter I just forwarded to him electronically, and he will
> >>>> print out, when the amount is decided upon, and send to you, making my
> >>>> request.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you, Doan.
> >>>>
> >>>> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
> >>>>
> >>>> March 5, 2007 10:52am
> >>>>
> >>>> Doan
> >>>> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
> >>>> Los Angeles, CA 90089
> >>>>
> >>>> Doan,
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is the request accompanying the envelope you said you bet I would
> >>>> not send for the study.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please send me the study, and your $500.
> >>>>
> >>>> Your posted comments below for a reminder of your bet.
> >>>>
> >>>> ">On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:10:46 -0800, Doan > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 0:-> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Or give me an address and I'll send you an envelope and postage.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 0:]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Glad to. Send me a SASE to:
> >>>>>>> Doan
> >>>>>>> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
> >>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90089
> >>>>>> You forgot the postage amount.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the intelligent
> >>>>> you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can understand the
> >>>>> study. My bet is I won't see the request from you. "
> >>>> You are seeing my request.
> >>>>
> >>>> Don Fisher has kindly agreed to handle my correspondence with you.
> >>>>
> >>>> So then, please make the check out to Donald L. Fisher, who I trust to
> >>>> handle the transaction for us and cash your check for me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Or, you can be obtuse, and make it out to Pohaku Kane, and I assure
> >>>> you, my bank will take it. They have before. Though that business I
> >>>> used it for for so many years was closed over 20 years ago.
> >>>>
> >>>> In any case you'll see your account reduced by the amount, in short
> >>>> order.
> >>>>
> >>>> The study please, I request it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Transparent and JellyFish enough for you, Doan?
> >>>>
> >>>> Affectionately, 0:]
> >>>>
> >>>> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Doan't you think that it would have been more profitable, money-wise,
> >>>> or credibility-wise (you get to pick now), to have simply debated the
> >>>> issues below and left off the smart ass bull**** that's gotten you in
> >>>> so much trouble before with your dodging?
> >>>>
> >>>>> Doan
> >>>> Have a happy Hihihi.
> >>>>
> >>>> I also wish to inform you and any posters or readers to these
> >>>> newsgroups, that if I should ever use the term 'bet' as in "I bet," in
> >>>> the future, it's to be considered a figure of speech. 0:]
> >>>>
> >>>> You might want to now place your own disclaimer before you slip again.

0:->

March 7th 07, 01:01 AM

Doan wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>
>>>> You just withdrew your bet.
>>>>
>>> All I have asked is who is this character, Don Fisher?
>> Why the question mark? That's not a question.
>>
> That is a questio, a question you still haven't answered!

Liar, I told you he's my agent.

YOU lied when you said you had not heard of him before.

>
>> Nor are you entitled to know the even the name of my postman.
>>
> I can ask.

And I can refuse to answer.

What is it that you are hiding?

Nothing. You are asking the infamous "when did you stop beating your
wife," question.

What are you hiding when I ask you want you intend to do with his address?

You RENEGED.

It's that simple.

You are a coward.

It's that simple.

You asked a question instead of taking the bet or withdrawing your bet.

It's over, coward.

You are a liar, and you reneged.

And I've made the request you bet you would not see.

I know perfectly well it can be posted to me in electronic format by
you. Unless you have lied about having it.

You are unethical.

Once again, as in the Embry study, dodging the debate by playing games
over the access to it.

Give me the study. I REQUEST it.

Or didn't you see that?

I'll mail you my request when you have transmitted it, if you insist on
having my request in hard copy.

I notice you are doing everything you can to keep the study from me,
aren't you, Doan?

"Hihihi," right?

I have posts where YOU discuss Don Fisher, liar.

I also notice YOU, who claim I post under a nym, have still not answered
my question. What is your full real name?

Hence YOU are posting under the Nym, Doan.

0:]

0:->

March 7th 07, 01:05 AM

Doan wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>
>> Doan wrote:
>>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:00:05 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It wasn't there when I looked. All I got was:
>>>>>
>>>>> Information from whois :
>>>>> Network Owner: unknown
>>>>> Registered on: unknown
>>>>> Updated on: unknown
>>>>> Expires on: unknown
>>>>> Netblock(s): unknown unknown
>>>>>
>>>>> Something is up with Senderbase. Got a number for me to call?
>>>> Sure, since I've been giving you a demonstration of the many dodges
>>>> Doan't uses, try 555.555.5555
>>>>
>>> That number doesn't work, Kane. Got another one?
>
> No number, Kane? Hihihi!
>
>>>> Hi hi hi, good buddy.
>>>>
>>> Hihihi!
>>>
>>>> I suspect YOUR system is at fault. Try posting from home.
>>>>
>>> My system is fine. It has to be the "proxy checker" at Senderbase.
>> They use Whois. I guess you didn't notice because you keep hiding that
>> block of information, or none information in the lower left quadrant.
>
> I can query whois directly. So can you, STUPID!
>
>>>> Or go down the hall to a workstation on the network.
>>>>
>>>> Or just keep trying like I did.
>>>>
>>>> I pulled a blank once on that ip today, but it only took one more to
>>>> pull up info.
>>>>
>>>> It is a database, you know, and you know how twitchy they can be
>>>> sometimes on line. I wonder if they are on a Linux based server. R R R
>>>> R R
>>>>
>>> Hihihi! Wow. Trying to sound knowledgeable, Kane?
>> Not in the least. No need to try.
>>
> So how is Alina's ip address "out of range" again?
>
>>>> What fascinates me most about your inquiry, is that every time you
>>>> claim you got nothing, you fail to copy and paste the empty fields
>>>> with their titles, but you manage to find all the other blocks, their
>>>> fields and print them.
>>>>
>>>> Now why would you play that kind of game, Doan't?
>>>>
>>>> You been "run" Doan't, and all you foot stomping isn't going to change
>>>> that. Including your claims that I lied...when what I did was a simple
>>>> mirror of you and your tactics.
>>>>
>>> Hihihi. The only one that doing the running is YOU, Empty Kane.
>> No, I told you I gave you a run of your own style of posting as an
>> object lesson.
>>
> Hihihi! That is your excuse! You run because you cannot support
> your FALSE accusation against me.
>
>> Take it or leave it.
>>
> Take what? You LIES!
>
>>>> You know, slide here, slide there, slide away from the actual issue?
>>>>
>>> Yup! Like you sliding from the PROOF that Alina is me?
>> I never thought you were Alina, stupid. I jerked your chain for a year
>> or two.
>>
> So now you are changing your story. Hihihi!
>
>>> Or like
>>> you sliding from the fact that you have not called Senderbase. You
>>> can't even give me their number, Kane!
>> 650 989 6544
>
> It's not for Senderbase issue. Are you lying again, Kane?
>
>> You must be dreaming again. AFdreaming.
>>
> It's my dream but I am your nightmare! Hihihi!
>
>>>> Ever time you accuse me you are simply accusing yourself..for those
>>>> ARE your tactics. To make claims that are out of context, and dodge
>>>> when confronted.
>>>>
>>>> You are a liar. Face it, child.
>>>>
>>> The proven LIAR is you, Kane!
>> You just reneged after betting me I wouldn't make the request.
>>
>> No, my boy, it's you, and unlike me who would mislead only to protect
>> others and their lives, YOU lied simply to score a point in debate.
>>
> Hihihi! You are just a pathalogic liar, Kane. A STUPID one too!
>
>> You're kind of sick.
>
> And you are kind of insane. Hihihi!
>
>>>> It's not clever. IT'S DOAN LYING.
>>>>
>>> It's Empty Kane making noises! Hihihi!
>> That prove you are a liar, and now a coward.
>>
> The proven LIAR (false accusation) and COWARD (hiding behind a nym) is
> YOU!
>
>> You reneged on your bet. Want to see the post?
>>
> What bet?
>
>> "Who is this Don Fisher? I have never known him. How can he be trusted?
>>
>> Doan"
>>
> You haven't told me who Don Fisher is. Why is that?
>
>> You don't need the name of the bank teller to do business here, nor the
>> name of the postman to send a letter. Don is my agent, nothing more.
>>
> Bank tellers are hired by the bank. The bank is FDIC insured. Can
> you say the same about Don Fisher? Is he bonded?
>
>> You ran, little boy.
>>
> You are STUPID, Empty Kane!
>
> EK:-)

You are stupid, lying nym named Doan.

You still aren't posting under your real name, only a part.

I post under my full name.

All this to avoid facing that you are coward who reneged on a bet, Doan?

Liar. Coward. Moral creep.

You made a bet now you want out of it.

Why is that, slime ball?

Ask anyone if you made the bet.

Ask anyone if I accepted.

Ask anyone if you have now refused to honor the bet.

You are asking questions instead of honoring you word.

I'm under NO obligation to answer a single question in this matter. You
bet, I called, you ran, coward.

What are YOU trying to hide, Doan?

>
>>>> And if you continue it with me, and do not acknowledge when I have
>>>> shown that you made a "mistake," like your claim about Straus v
>>>> Baumrind and careful concealment by omission of everything he said, I
>>>> may run another mirror on your sorry lying ass again.
>>>>
>>> Hihihi! Straus said Baumrind study is the best! That claim has
>>> been proven.
>>>
>>>> There is no shortage of such from your posting archives, Doan.
>>>>
>>> Same to you, Empty Kane.
>>>
>>>> And I keep them offline where you can't have them dropped from Usenet.
>>>>
>>> Hihihi! How do you that, Kane?
>>>
>>> EK:->
>>>
>>>> 0:-]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Doan
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:15:40 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kane,
>>>>>>> I tried putting your ip address into the Senderbase site and guess what?
>>>>>>> It said that you are using a "fictitous address"!!! Hihihi!
>>>>>> The word fictitious does not appear on the page. Why are you lying
>>>>>> again?
>>>>>>> Report on IP address: 66.228.25.123
>>>>>> Okay, I will, before ending this post, enter that information and
>>>>>> report it back, and unlike YOU I'll provide the link. Why have you
>>>>>> hidden the link?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And why have you pasted every section of the page, but the one that
>>>>>> DOES have the ISP source ID information, AGAIN, Doan?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just can't resist lying?
>>>>>> The following block of data fields starts on the left upper section of
>>>>>> the page, Doan:
>>>>>>> Volume Statistics for this IP
>>>>>>> Magnitude Vol Change vs. Average
>>>>>>> Last day 0.0 -100%
>>>>>>> Last 30 days 0.0 -100%
>>>>>>> Average 0.0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The next block below it is as follows. Roughly left center position:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Third-party Certification
>>>>>>> Sender Score Certified? Not Certified
>>>>>>> TRUSTe Privacy Seal? Not Certified
>>>>>> The next line is from the top of the block I have referred to
>>>>>> repeatedly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Information from whois
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please wait...loading data...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> And suddenly you record NOTHING, not even paste the blank fields you
>>>>>> claim are there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where's the lower left corner block of fields, Doan? They belong right
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Didn't your mommy teach you, in between spankings, your left from your
>>>>>> right and top from bottom?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's what I get in the whois block...that seems to be missing from
>>>>>> your post...liar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (stay tuned, because not only am I going to provide you that block,
>>>>>> but unlike YOU I'm going to provide a link so people can see you lied.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This block of information below is the set of fields on the RIGHT side
>>>>>> of the page, and sometimes shows info and sometimes does not. I've
>>>>>> posted all this before, including all blocks of data fields on the
>>>>>> page, but you cut section, AGAIN, that I've noted in prior posts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Other information about this IP address
>>>>>>> Sender Category unknown
>>>>>>> Network Owner unknown
>>>>>>> Domain unknown
>>>>>>> Date of first message seen from this address
>>>>>>> CIDR range unknown
>>>>>>> # of domains controlled by this network owner 0
>>>>>>> Geography data
>>>>>>> Country unknown
>>>>>>> State unknown
>>>>>>> City unknown
>>>>>>> Postal code unknown
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Related links
>>>>>>> Google groups
>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/groups?scoring=d&q=66.228.25.123+group:*abuse*
>>>>>>> SpamCop http://spamcop.net/w3m?action=checkblock&ip=66.228.25.123
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Real-time blacklists [ Click to view all ]
>>>>>>> not in any blacklists
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No address list shown since no email was detected from 66.228.25.0/24.
>>>>>> That is all information BUT the information that matters. The lower
>>>>>> left block. Observe, liar:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.senderbase.org/search?searchString=66.228.25.123
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's my IP for today, the same one you just used.
>>>>>> As you said earlier in the post:
>>>>>>> Report on IP address: 66.228.25.123
>>>>>> And all the page reads exactly as you have posted, except for that
>>>>>> lower left block, Doan, that was blank on running Alina's IP number.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With MINE it says this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Information from whois [ Click to show details ]
>>>>>> Network Owner: Gorge Networks Inc.
>>>>>> Registered on: 2006-02-16
>>>>>> Updated on: 2006-02-16
>>>>>> Expires on: unknown
>>>>>> Netblock(s): 66.228.16.0/20
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And if I "[ Click to show details ]" I get:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OrgName: Gorge Networks Inc.
>>>>>> OrgID: GRGE
>>>>>> Address: 616 Industrial Ste. 401
>>>>>> City: Hood River
>>>>>> StateProv: OR
>>>>>> PostalCode: 97031
>>>>>> Country: US
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NetRange: 66.228.16.0 - 66.228.31.255
>>>>>> CIDR: 66.228.16.0/20
>>>>>> NetName: GNBLCK-3
>>>>>> NetHandle: NET-66-228-16-0-1
>>>>>> Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0
>>>>>> NetType: Direct Allocation
>>>>>> NameServer: SERV.GORGE.NET
>>>>>> NameServer: DNS2.GORGE.NET
>>>>>> Comment:
>>>>>> RegDate: 2006-02-16
>>>>>> Updated: 2006-02-16
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OrgTechHandle: NETAD59-ARIN
>>>>>> OrgTechName: Netadmin Team
>>>>>> OrgTechPhone: +1-541-386-8300
>>>>>> OrgTechEmail:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2007-03-04 19:10
>>>>>> # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
>>>>>> ......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has Doany gots hims a bokin compooter...?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or is Doan a lying little fleck of cow ****?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doan
>>>>>> The fact is Doan, I've found that site from time to time actually
>>>>>> failing to process and entry....that is why I run it many times on an
>>>>>> IP number to see if I can produce results. No matter how many time's I
>>>>>> ran it it would not produce anthing for Alina's IP number.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But on the first run, for myself and others we've done, bingo...full
>>>>>> disclosure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe you just got a bad run, Doan....what did you call it, "a bug?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or you are lying. I tend to think the latter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still haven't owned up to lying about Straus's by quoting out of
>>>>>> context, have you Doan?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still lie about me using the word "concede" don't you, Doan?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rely almost entirely on just such tricks as this....quoting and
>>>>>> leaving out the relevant information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you under a doctor's care, Doan?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you gotten the object lesson yet, or was it too painful and now
>>>>>> you are upping the intensenty on your squirming weasel efforts to
>>>>>> escape the uncomfortable truth about yourself?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That you are a liar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 0:-]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ....snip....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alina's
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ..snip....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apparently you don't really want to debate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let me know when you do by recognizing I'm not going to discuss this
>>>>>>>> issue with you further.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did not care one way or the other. It was an object lesson for you.
>>>>>>>> And you got it or you wouldn't be worrying it now trying to dodge real
>>>>>>>> debate...as usual.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kane
>>>>>>>>
>

0:->

March 7th 07, 01:09 AM

Doan refuses to honor his word. He runs from his bet, and from retracting.

He is without honor.

What is Doan trying to hide?

Why is he so interested in Don Fisher instead of honoring his bet?

Is it because he's a liar, a coward, and likes to threaten people?

Readers, tell Doan he bet. Tell Doan that people honor their words, and
keep their words, when they make a bet, or they conduct themselves with
honor and withdraw the bet if they don't want to back their claim.

Doan, look in the mirror. You are looking at a Welcher.

I don't think much of welchers.

You made a bet, and you have dishonorably reneged on that bet.

Kane

0:->

March 7th 07, 01:12 AM

Doan is, by asking questions, instead of honoring his bet and his word,
once again behaving with poor character.

You are not entitled to any answers to anything at all, Doan, until you
clear up this bet issue.

Admit you have reneged.

It's obvious you did.

No one needs to ask questions about how the bet is handled. They just
say they will or won't honor their words...."I bet."

Admit you reneged.

Because you did, right here in front of the readers.

They can see you for what you are.

0:-]

March 7th 07, 01:38 AM

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:30:26 -0800, Doan > wrote:

>On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>
>> Doan wrote:
>> > On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:56:41 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>> >> ..........My bet is I won't see the request from you.....
>> >>
>> >> Five hundred dollars($500) says you will see my request in the mail.
>> >>
>> >> I'm good for a thousand if you wish to up your bet.
>> >>
>> >>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:10:46 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> 0:-> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Or give me an address and I'll send you an envelope and postage.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 0:]
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> Glad to. Send me a SASE to:
>> >>>>> Doan
>> >>>>> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
>> >>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90089
>> >>>> You forgot the postage amount.
>> >>>>
>> >>> For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the intelligent
>> >>> you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can understand the
>> >>> study.
>> >> If the study-report is very long I'll take a few days to study it. And
>> >> then we can proceed with something other than you usual little
>> >> foolishnesses....like that's going to stop.
>> >>
>> >>> My bet is I won't see the request from you. You are as
>> >>> transparent as a jelly-fish, Kane. Hihihi!
>> >> Yes, I saw your bet. I call you. Any figure from $500 to $,1000 is my
>> >> limit. Nothing less than $500 please, or we might think you were just
>> >> blowing hard when you bet.
>> >>
>> >> Nothing more than $1,000 as that would be too cruel to you.
>> >>
>> >> And no fair blinding yourself, or asking someone else to open my
>> >> envelope so "you" don't actually see my request.
>> >>
>> >> In fact, I'll post here and now, a copy of my letter to you making
>> >> that request you bet you won't see, and my request for payment, both
>> >> of which you will see.
>> >>
>> >> You'll be able to judge my 'intelligent' much better soon, I assure
>> >> you.
>> >>
>> >> And my relative transparency.
>> >>
>> >> As you know I've come to know Don Fisher rather well over the years.
>> >> He has been invited to join us. At least in the handling of our
>> >> correspondence.
>> >>
>> > Who is this Don Fisher? I have never known him. How can he be trusted?
>>
>> Hihihi!
>>
>> You just withdrew your bet.
>>
>All I have asked is who is this character, Don Fisher?

I'm not interested in your diverting questions.

>Seem like you
>tried to full a fast one on me with this shady character that I have
>never heard of.

I have your posts. You've read of him.

Of course you've never "heard" of him. We don't speak here, we write.

Tell me you've never read about him. And then who your friend is that
appears to present your arguments when YOU have been addressed, AnneF?

Doan simply lies again to avoid the fact he reneged. He bet. He was
called, and now he's ducking. And running from his own exposure of
himself as dishonorable.

You could have accepted the bet then asked questions, Doan.

You are a liar. And a proven coward. And a proven welcher.

But them, what's new, eh?

>
>Doan

Let me if you are ready to email me that study report.

I 'request' it.

Now lie and say you don't have or can't get it in email format.

I'll show you, even though you have "bet" and reneged, that you will
most certainly see my request, here, and in your mail box.

Doan is a coward.

0:]

>
>> There now, isn't that a relief for you?
>>
>> So, your honor is worth $500 bucks, eh? Tsk.
>>
>> And you have withdrawn your claim that you will not see my request,
>> admitting it was a calculated lie.
>>
>> Or would you like to bet again?
>>
>> So, your honor is worth $500 bucks, eh? Tsk.
>>
>> And lucky for you, you just saved your lying cowardly ass $500.
>>
>> I'll have this post for you the next time you claim "you are the proven
>> liar, Kane."
>>
>> Here's a little gift for you, bright boy:
>>
>> I could not collect from you legally in California anyway.
>>
>> Doan't you ever check anything? It would have been so much more easy an
>> out for you, stupid.
>>
>> But I would have waited for you to visit my state. 0:]
>>
>> I have it on good authority, by the way, you can get it in that
>> format....free through the University of Southern California library.
>> Know them? 17 pages as I recall. All you need is student or staff
>> library privs. Then you could have sent it to me.
>>
>> Any particular reason you wanted a return address envelope?
>>
>> Planning on sharing Don's address? Thought you'd 'expose' Kane? R R R R
>> R R.
>>
>> Once more playing unethical lying games, Doan?
>>
>> So, send me the study.
>>
>> That is my request that you bet you wouldn't see, coward.
>>
>> When I get it from you I'll still have Don send the envelope. I'm
>> honorable. You are not.
>>
>> You are a liar, Proven, Doan. Your parents would be proud. For nothing
>> more than a silly little ego game. Tsk. Liar, tsk.
>>
>> Deny it.
>>
>> 0:]
>>
>> >
>> > Doan
>> >
>> >> And transfer of funds. Upon our acceptance of my call on your bet I
>> >> will place whatever amount you agree to between $500 and $1,000. If I
>> >> fail to give him the go ahead on sending my request (which would be
>> >> kind of silly unless I were dead...0:>) he will send you the money.
>> >>
>> >> When you receive my request in the mail, and it will be sent Return
>> >> Receipt Requested, he will accept payment for me.
>> >>
>> >> I expect payment by mail. Please send you money to pay your debt again
>> >> with USPS RRR. That way you will have a record of Don receiving it
>> >> should there be any question about you having sent or not sent the
>> >> money.
>> >>
>> >> Here is the letter I just forwarded to him electronically, and he will
>> >> print out, when the amount is decided upon, and send to you, making my
>> >> request.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you, Doan.
>> >>
>> >> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
>> >>
>> >> March 5, 2007 10:52am
>> >>
>> >> Doan
>> >> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
>> >> Los Angeles, CA 90089
>> >>
>> >> Doan,
>> >>
>> >> Here is the request accompanying the envelope you said you bet I would
>> >> not send for the study.
>> >>
>> >> Please send me the study, and your $500.
>> >>
>> >> Your posted comments below for a reminder of your bet.
>> >>
>> >> ">On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
>> >>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:10:46 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> 0:-> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Or give me an address and I'll send you an envelope and postage.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 0:]
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> Glad to. Send me a SASE to:
>> >>>>> Doan
>> >>>>> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
>> >>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90089
>> >>>> You forgot the postage amount.
>> >>>>
>> >>> For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the intelligent
>> >>> you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can understand the
>> >>> study. My bet is I won't see the request from you. "
>> >> You are seeing my request.
>> >>
>> >> Don Fisher has kindly agreed to handle my correspondence with you.
>> >>
>> >> So then, please make the check out to Donald L. Fisher, who I trust to
>> >> handle the transaction for us and cash your check for me.
>> >>
>> >> Or, you can be obtuse, and make it out to Pohaku Kane, and I assure
>> >> you, my bank will take it. They have before. Though that business I
>> >> used it for for so many years was closed over 20 years ago.
>> >>
>> >> In any case you'll see your account reduced by the amount, in short
>> >> order.
>> >>
>> >> The study please, I request it.
>> >>
>> >> Transparent and JellyFish enough for you, Doan?
>> >>
>> >> Affectionately, 0:]
>> >>
>> >> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Doan't you think that it would have been more profitable, money-wise,
>> >> or credibility-wise (you get to pick now), to have simply debated the
>> >> issues below and left off the smart ass bull**** that's gotten you in
>> >> so much trouble before with your dodging?
>> >>
>> >>> Doan
>> >> Have a happy Hihihi.
>> >>
>> >> I also wish to inform you and any posters or readers to these
>> >> newsgroups, that if I should ever use the term 'bet' as in "I bet," in
>> >> the future, it's to be considered a figure of speech. 0:]
>> >>
>> >> You might want to now place your own disclaimer before you slip again.
>> >>
>> >> Here, fill in the blank_________________________.
>> >>
>> >> Kane
>> >>
>> >>>>> Hihihi!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Doan wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Doan wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> Where were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they find
>> >>>>>>>>>> the same CORRELATIONS with non-cp alternatives?
>> >>>>>>>>> What was the study premise, Doan. Read the first two paragraphs. And
>> >>>>>>>>> then go back to your original claim about Black children and CP with
>> >>>>>>>>> this in mind:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> The studies wasn't about Black children, STUPID. However the authors
>> >>>>>>>> did say:
>> >>>>>>>> "One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
>> >>>>>>>> recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
>> >>>>>>>> groups,"
>> >>>>>>> Yep, and you've ignored the rest.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> As for black children, what do you usually call African children?
>> >>>>>>>> Do you always like making a fool of yourself, Kane? Hihihi!
>> >>>>>>> I couldn't keep up with you doing it to yourself even if I tried, Doan.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Doan
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Why did you to take to Gregorizing, Doan? Can't argue with the full
>> >>>>>>> information in front of the reader?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> They'll see too easily what you really are?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Try reading again, what you quoted above, Doan.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> It doesn't say there is a need for caution in making recommendations
>> >>>>>>> about parenting practices.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Just about across different cultural groups.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> There are plenty of black people that do not go along with the "spanking
>> >>>>>>> is good for black children," kant.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> That would be within the culture and doubtless constitutes a
>> >>>>>>> recommendation.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> In fact I see a lot of claims about "the black community" and it's
>> >>>>>>> universal acceptance of spanking, but being made by whites, Doan.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I'd have to say that's a bit of cross cultural intrusion, wouldn't you?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> When I want to know what a person of another ethnicity thinks I ask. And
>> >>>>>>> I don't repeat what they say unless I read or hear them say it.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Do you know the name, Poussaint?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2812/corporal_punishment_hidden_costs/
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical
>> >>>>>>> School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long
>> >>>>>>> opposed the use of corporal punishment.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> His major argument is simple: ï¿½the use of corporal punishment teaches
>> >>>>>>> children that violence is the way to solve problems.ï¿½ Poussaint, who was
>> >>>>>>> an adviser to the popular program ï¿½The Cosby Show,ï¿½ says corporal
>> >>>>>>> punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
>> >>>>>>> black community.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
>> >>>>>>> and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
>> >>>>>>> as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
>> >>>>>>> pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
>> >>>>>>> that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> ï¿½Thereï¿½s an overuse of beating kids,ï¿½ he said, breaking a major taboo
>> >>>>>>> among black leadership by raising this issue. ï¿½So that you have 80
>> >>>>>>> percent of black parents believing you should beat themï¿½beat the devil
>> >>>>>>> out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
>> >>>>>>> get.ï¿½
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
>> >>>>>>> anger. According to figures from the Department of Justiceï¿½s Bureau of
>> >>>>>>> Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
>> >>>>>>> Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
>> >>>>>>> murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
>> >>>>>>> fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
>> >>>>>>> five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
>> >>>>>>> ten times the white rate.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
>> >>>>>>> segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
>> >>>>>>> supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
>> >>>>>>> behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
>> >>>>>>> responsibility and cultural standards.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaintï¿½s
>> >>>>>>> anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesnï¿½t make sense is
>> >>>>>>> that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
>> >>>>>>> corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
>> >>>>>>> spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
>> >>>>>>> spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
>> >>>>>>> African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
>> >>>>>>> harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment theyï¿½re sure to
>> >>>>>>> receive in the Untied States.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
>> >>>>>>> prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
>> >>>>>>> doesnï¿½t work. "
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Author, Corporal Punishmentï¿½s Hidden Costs
>> >>>>>>> By Salim Muwakkil
>> >>>>>>> In These Times, September 8, 2006
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I've a hunch he's Black.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Assigning universal attributes to a culture is very tricky business
>> >>>>>>> under any circumstances.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Even the researchers in the International study didn't go for that.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> They made plain that cultural beliefs and actual performance
>> >>>>>>> varied...the point of the study.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I suggest YOU stop speaking for the Black community, Doan, as you have
>> >>>>>>> been inclined to do on this issue, making claims
>> >>>>>>> you have been completely unable to support.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Or, go over to "Black Studies," and speak directly to them.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> http://www.usc.edu/dept/publications/cat2006/schools/college/amst/african_american.html
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Tell them you know their story and their beliefs better than they do.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> 0:-]
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I'd say the following are some fair heavyweights in the Black Community,
>> >>>>>>> wouldn't you? Though not everyone is going to agree with them, of course.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> PROCLAMATION signed by African American Leaders
>> >>>>>>> OPPOSING SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment is defined as the intentional infliction of
>> >>>>>>> physical pain for purposes of stopping or preventing misbehavior, and
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment in schools is disproportionately used on
>> >>>>>>> African-American children, and
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> WHEREAS, anger and violence can get out of control with corporal
>> >>>>>>> punishment causing injuries such as bleeding, bruises, and broken bones,
>> >>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment conveys a message to children that violence
>> >>>>>>> is an acceptable method for dealing with conflict, and
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> WHEREAS, overwhelming evidence suggests that other methods of discipline
>> >>>>>>> work better like setting reasonable rules and standards, correcting
>> >>>>>>> children in a respectful, non-violent and consistent manner, praise and
>> >>>>>>> reward for appropriate behavior.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> WHEREAS, all children deserve to be able to learn in a safe and
>> >>>>>>> supportive learning environment free from corporal punishment.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, we urge all school boards to ban corporal punishment and
>> >>>>>>> we urge state legislators in all states allowing its use to pass
>> >>>>>>> legislation ending school corporal punishment.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> SIGNATURES OF AFRICAN AMERICAN LEADERS ON A PROCLAMATION CALLING FOR A
>> >>>>>>> BAN ON SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT 12-04
>> >>>>>>> Dr. Alvin Poussaint Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School
>> >>>>>>> and Judge Baker Children's Center; Boston, MA
>> >>>>>>> Julian Bond Chairman of the Board of NAACP, Baltimore, MD
>> >>>>>>> Kweisi Mfume Past President & CEO of NAACP; Baltimore, MD
>> >>>>>>> Reverend Jesse Jackson, Sr. Founder & President of PUSH/EXCEL;
>> >>>>>>> Chicago, IL
>> >>>>>>> Marc H. Morial President & CEO of Urban League; New York, NY
>> >>>>>>> Dr. Michelle Clark Committee on Black Psychiatrists, American
>> >>>>>>> Psychiatric Assn.; Los Angeles, CA
>> >>>>>>> Dr. Winston Price President of National Medical Association;
>> >>>>>>> Washington, DC
>> >>>>>>> Marion Wright Edelman President of Children's Defense Fund;
>> >>>>>>> Washington, DC
>> >>>>>>> Dr. Deloris M. Saunders President of National Alliance of Black
>> >>>>>>> School Educators; Washington, DC
>> >>>>>>> Dr. Michael Lomax President & CEO of United Negro College Fund;
>> >>>>>>> Fairfax, VA
>> >>>>>>> Brother Reynaldo S. Taylor President, Nat'l Black Catholic
>> >>>>>>> Seminarian Assn; Cincinnati, OH
>> >>>>>>> Bishop E. Earl McCloud Ecumenical Officer, AME Church; Atlanta, GA
>> >>>>>>> Bishop Phillip Robert Cousin Fourth Episcopal District, AME Church;
>> >>>>>>> Chicago, IL
>> >>>>>>> Bishop Cornal Garnett Henning Eighth Episcopal District, AME Church;
>> >>>>>>> New Orleans, LA
>> >>>>>>> Bishop McKinley Young Eleventh Episcopal District, AME Church;
>> >>>>>>> Jacksonville, FL
>> >>>>>>> Dr. Carl C. Bell President & CEO of Community Mental Health Council;
>> >>>>>>> Chicago, IL
>> >>>>>>> Dr. Marilyn Benoit Past President of American Academy of Child and
>> >>>>>>> Adolescent Psychiatry; Washington, DC
>> >>>>>>> Yvette McGee Brown President of Child and Family Advocacy Center;
>> >>>>>>> Columbus, OH
>> >>>>>>> Reverend Fred L. Shuttlesworth Past President of Southern Christian
>> >>>>>>> Leadership Conference
>> >>>>>>> Judith Jackson President of National Association of Black Social
>> >>>>>>> Workers; Washington, DC
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Compiled by Dr. Alvin Poussaint and EPOCH-USA (End Physical Punishment
>> >>>>>>> of Children), Columbus, OH 43215, Nadine Block Co-Chair www.stophitting.org
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> For more information on the problems of corporal punishment and
>> >>>>>>> especially its effects on the African-American population, please see
>> >>>>>>> the Fact Sheet on Corporal Punishment.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >
>>

0:-]

March 7th 07, 01:45 AM

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:51:47 -0800, Doan > wrote:

>On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>
>> >> You just withdrew your bet.
>> >>
>> > All I have asked is who is this character, Don Fisher?
>>
>> Why the question mark? That's not a question.
>>
>That is a questio, a question you still haven't answered!
>
>> Nor are you entitled to know the even the name of my postman.
>>
>I can ask. What is it that you are hiding?
>
>> > Seem like you
>> > tried to full a fast one on me with this shady character
>>
>> Would you care to make that claim official? What do you mean by shady?
>>
>Shady = not clear. Can you make it clear whois this character is?
>
>> > that I have
>> > never heard of.
>>
>> Lie.
>>
>The proven LIAR is YOU!

Liar.

>
>> Sorry, doesn't compute. You have responded to thread, where he's been
>> discussed, and you have tried to threaten me by using HIS wife's name in
>> the belief he is me and I'll back off out of fear of exposure.
>>
>Huh? Who is his wife? I did not have a sexual relationship with that
>woman! Hihihi!
>
>> Read you posts, dummy. Most of us have.
>>
>Why woud I waste my time on your LIES?

Why would you ask a rhetorical question when the lies are yours?

>> >
>>
>> You reneged, now you are running from your cowardly bet and your
>> unwillingness to honor it.
>>
>What bet is that?

"For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the
intelligent you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can
understand the study. My bet is I won't see the request from you. "

Do you deny you offered to bet me?

>> And you are lying to do it.
>>
>The proven liar here is YOU!

Oh?

"For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the
intelligent you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can
understand the study. My bet is I won't see the request from you. "
>
>> What about Don Fisher is shady, Doan? Speak right up, coward.
>
>Who is this Don Fisher, Kane? Speak up, coward!

Who is he? Don Fisher.

I'm not authorized to tell you more about someone without their
permission. I doubt he'd give it, given your behavior in these
newsgroups, and those you associate with.
>
>EK:-)

Don't be afraid. I won't hurt you. Honest.

Kane

>
>>
>>
>> > Doan
>> >
>> >> There now, isn't that a relief for you?
>> >>
>> >> So, your honor is worth $500 bucks, eh? Tsk.
>> >>
>> >> And you have withdrawn your claim that you will not see my request,
>> >> admitting it was a calculated lie.
>> >>
>> >> Or would you like to bet again?
>> >>
>> >> So, your honor is worth $500 bucks, eh? Tsk.
>> >>
>> >> And lucky for you, you just saved your lying cowardly ass $500.
>> >>
>> >> I'll have this post for you the next time you claim "you are the proven
>> >> liar, Kane."
>> >>
>> >> Here's a little gift for you, bright boy:
>> >>
>> >> I could not collect from you legally in California anyway.
>> >>
>> >> Doan't you ever check anything? It would have been so much more easy an
>> >> out for you, stupid.
>> >>
>> >> But I would have waited for you to visit my state. 0:]
>> >>
>> >> I have it on good authority, by the way, you can get it in that
>> >> format....free through the University of Southern California library.
>> >> Know them? 17 pages as I recall. All you need is student or staff
>> >> library privs. Then you could have sent it to me.
>> >>
>> >> Any particular reason you wanted a return address envelope?
>> >>
>> >> Planning on sharing Don's address? Thought you'd 'expose' Kane? R R R R
>> >> R R.
>> >>
>> >> Once more playing unethical lying games, Doan?
>> >>
>> >> So, send me the study.
>> >>
>> >> That is my request that you bet you wouldn't see, coward.
>> >>
>> >> When I get it from you I'll still have Don send the envelope. I'm
>> >> honorable. You are not.
>> >>
>> >> You are a liar, Proven, Doan. Your parents would be proud. For nothing
>> >> more than a silly little ego game. Tsk. Liar, tsk.
>> >>
>> >> Deny it.
>> >>
>> >> 0:]
>> >>
>> >>> Doan
>> >>>
>> >>>> And transfer of funds. Upon our acceptance of my call on your bet I
>> >>>> will place whatever amount you agree to between $500 and $1,000. If I
>> >>>> fail to give him the go ahead on sending my request (which would be
>> >>>> kind of silly unless I were dead...0:>) he will send you the money.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> When you receive my request in the mail, and it will be sent Return
>> >>>> Receipt Requested, he will accept payment for me.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I expect payment by mail. Please send you money to pay your debt again
>> >>>> with USPS RRR. That way you will have a record of Don receiving it
>> >>>> should there be any question about you having sent or not sent the
>> >>>> money.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Here is the letter I just forwarded to him electronically, and he will
>> >>>> print out, when the amount is decided upon, and send to you, making my
>> >>>> request.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thank you, Doan.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
>> >>>>
>> >>>> March 5, 2007 10:52am
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Doan
>> >>>> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
>> >>>> Los Angeles, CA 90089
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Doan,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Here is the request accompanying the envelope you said you bet I would
>> >>>> not send for the study.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Please send me the study, and your $500.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Your posted comments below for a reminder of your bet.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ">On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:10:46 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> 0:-> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Or give me an address and I'll send you an envelope and postage.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> 0:]
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Glad to. Send me a SASE to:
>> >>>>>>> Doan
>> >>>>>>> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
>> >>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90089
>> >>>>>> You forgot the postage amount.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the intelligent
>> >>>>> you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can understand the
>> >>>>> study. My bet is I won't see the request from you. "
>> >>>> You are seeing my request.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Don Fisher has kindly agreed to handle my correspondence with you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So then, please make the check out to Donald L. Fisher, who I trust to
>> >>>> handle the transaction for us and cash your check for me.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Or, you can be obtuse, and make it out to Pohaku Kane, and I assure
>> >>>> you, my bank will take it. They have before. Though that business I
>> >>>> used it for for so many years was closed over 20 years ago.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In any case you'll see your account reduced by the amount, in short
>> >>>> order.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The study please, I request it.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Transparent and JellyFish enough for you, Doan?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Affectionately, 0:]
>> >>>>
>> >>>> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Doan't you think that it would have been more profitable, money-wise,
>> >>>> or credibility-wise (you get to pick now), to have simply debated the
>> >>>> issues below and left off the smart ass bull**** that's gotten you in
>> >>>> so much trouble before with your dodging?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Doan
>> >>>> Have a happy Hihihi.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I also wish to inform you and any posters or readers to these
>> >>>> newsgroups, that if I should ever use the term 'bet' as in "I bet," in
>> >>>> the future, it's to be considered a figure of speech. 0:]
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You might want to now place your own disclaimer before you slip again.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Here, fill in the blank_________________________.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kane
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> Hihihi!
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Doan wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doan wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Where were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they find
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the same CORRELATIONS with non-cp alternatives?
>> >>>>>>>>>>> What was the study premise, Doan. Read the first two paragraphs. And
>> >>>>>>>>>>> then go back to your original claim about Black children and CP with
>> >>>>>>>>>>> this in mind:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> The studies wasn't about Black children, STUPID. However the authors
>> >>>>>>>>>> did say:
>> >>>>>>>>>> "One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
>> >>>>>>>>>> recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
>> >>>>>>>>>> groups,"
>> >>>>>>>>> Yep, and you've ignored the rest.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> As for black children, what do you usually call African children?
>> >>>>>>>>>> Do you always like making a fool of yourself, Kane? Hihihi!
>> >>>>>>>>> I couldn't keep up with you doing it to yourself even if I tried, Doan.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Doan
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Why did you to take to Gregorizing, Doan? Can't argue with the full
>> >>>>>>>>> information in front of the reader?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> They'll see too easily what you really are?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Try reading again, what you quoted above, Doan.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> It doesn't say there is a need for caution in making recommendations
>> >>>>>>>>> about parenting practices.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Just about across different cultural groups.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> There are plenty of black people that do not go along with the "spanking
>> >>>>>>>>> is good for black children," kant.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> That would be within the culture and doubtless constitutes a
>> >>>>>>>>> recommendation.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> In fact I see a lot of claims about "the black community" and it's
>> >>>>>>>>> universal acceptance of spanking, but being made by whites, Doan.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I'd have to say that's a bit of cross cultural intrusion, wouldn't you?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> When I want to know what a person of another ethnicity thinks I ask. And
>> >>>>>>>>> I don't repeat what they say unless I read or hear them say it.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Do you know the name, Poussaint?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2812/corporal_punishment_hidden_costs/
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical
>> >>>>>>>>> School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long
>> >>>>>>>>> opposed the use of corporal punishment.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> His major argument is simple: ï¿½the use of corporal punishment teaches
>> >>>>>>>>> children that violence is the way to solve problems.ï¿½ Poussaint, who was
>> >>>>>>>>> an adviser to the popular program ï¿½The Cosby Show,ï¿½ says corporal
>> >>>>>>>>> punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
>> >>>>>>>>> black community.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
>> >>>>>>>>> and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
>> >>>>>>>>> as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
>> >>>>>>>>> pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
>> >>>>>>>>> that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> ï¿½Thereï¿½s an overuse of beating kids,ï¿½ he said, breaking a major taboo
>> >>>>>>>>> among black leadership by raising this issue. ï¿½So that you have 80
>> >>>>>>>>> percent of black parents believing you should beat themï¿½beat the devil
>> >>>>>>>>> out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
>> >>>>>>>>> get.ï¿½
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
>> >>>>>>>>> anger. According to figures from the Department of Justiceï¿½s Bureau of
>> >>>>>>>>> Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
>> >>>>>>>>> Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
>> >>>>>>>>> murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
>> >>>>>>>>> fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
>> >>>>>>>>> five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
>> >>>>>>>>> ten times the white rate.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
>> >>>>>>>>> segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
>> >>>>>>>>> supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
>> >>>>>>>>> behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
>> >>>>>>>>> responsibility and cultural standards.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaintï¿½s
>> >>>>>>>>> anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesnï¿½t make sense is
>> >>>>>>>>> that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
>> >>>>>>>>> corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
>> >>>>>>>>> spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
>> >>>>>>>>> spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
>> >>>>>>>>> African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
>> >>>>>>>>> harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment theyï¿½re sure to
>> >>>>>>>>> receive in the Untied States.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
>> >>>>>>>>> prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
>> >>>>>>>>> doesnï¿½t work. "
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Author, Corporal Punishmentï¿½s Hidden Costs
>> >>>>>>>>> By Salim Muwakkil
>> >>>>>>>>> In These Times, September 8, 2006
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I've a hunch he's Black.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Assigning universal attributes to a culture is very tricky business
>> >>>>>>>>> under any circumstances.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Even the researchers in the International study didn't go for that.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> They made plain that cultural beliefs and actual performance
>> >>>>>>>>> varied...the point of the study.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I suggest YOU stop speaking for the Black community, Doan, as you have
>> >>>>>>>>> been inclined to do on this issue, making claims
>> >>>>>>>>> you have been completely unable to support.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Or, go over to "Black Studies," and speak directly to them.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.usc.edu/dept/publications/cat2006/schools/college/amst/african_american.html
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Tell them you know their story and their beliefs better than they do.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> 0:-]
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I'd say the following are some fair heavyweights in the Black Community,
>> >>>>>>>>> wouldn't you? Though not everyone is going to agree with them, of course.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> PROCLAMATION signed by African American Leaders
>> >>>>>>>>> OPPOSING SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment is defined as the intentional infliction of
>> >>>>>>>>> physical pain for purposes of stopping or preventing misbehavior, and
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment in schools is disproportionately used on
>> >>>>>>>>> African-American children, and
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, anger and violence can get out of control with corporal
>> >>>>>>>>> punishment causing injuries such as bleeding, bruises, and broken bones,
>> >>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment conveys a message to children that violence
>> >>>>>>>>> is an acceptable method for dealing with conflict, and
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, overwhelming evidence suggests that other methods of discipline
>> >>>>>>>>> work better like setting reasonable rules and standards, correcting
>> >>>>>>>>> children in a respectful, non-violent and consistent manner, praise and
>> >>>>>>>>> reward for appropriate behavior.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, all children deserve to be able to learn in a safe and
>> >>>>>>>>> supportive learning environment free from corporal punishment.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, we urge all school boards to ban corporal punishment and
>> >>>>>>>>> we urge state legislators in all states allowing its use to pass
>> >>>>>>>>> legislation ending school corporal punishment.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> SIGNATURES OF AFRICAN AMERICAN LEADERS ON A PROCLAMATION CALLING FOR A
>> >>>>>>>>> BAN ON SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT 12-04
>> >>>>>>>>> Dr. Alvin Poussaint Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School
>> >>>>>>>>> and Judge Baker Children's Center; Boston, MA
>> >>>>>>>>> Julian Bond Chairman of the Board of NAACP, Baltimore, MD
>> >>>>>>>>> Kweisi Mfume Past President & CEO of NAACP; Baltimore, MD
>> >>>>>>>>> Reverend Jesse Jackson, Sr. Founder & President of PUSH/EXCEL;
>> >>>>>>>>> Chicago, IL
>> >>>>>>>>> Marc H. Morial President & CEO of Urban League; New York, NY
>> >>>>>>>>> Dr. Michelle Clark Committee on Black Psychiatrists, American
>> >>>>>>>>> Psychiatric Assn.; Los Angeles, CA
>> >>>>>>>>> Dr. Winston Price President of National Medical Association;
>> >>>>>>>>> Washington, DC
>> >>>>>>>>> Marion Wright Edelman President of Children's Defense Fund;
>> >>>>>>>>> Washington, DC
>> >>>>>>>>> Dr. Deloris M. Saunders President of National Alliance of Black
>> >>>>>>>>> School Educators; Washington, DC
>> >>>>>>>>> Dr. Michael Lomax President & CEO of United Negro College Fund;
>> >>>>>>>>> Fairfax, VA
>> >>>>>>>>> Brother Reynaldo S. Taylor President, Nat'l Black Catholic
>> >>>>>>>>> Seminarian Assn; Cincinnati, OH
>> >>>>>>>>> Bishop E. Earl McCloud Ecumenical Officer, AME Church; Atlanta, GA
>> >>>>>>>>> Bishop Phillip Robert Cousin Fourth Episcopal District, AME Church;
>> >>>>>>>>> Chicago, IL
>> >>>>>>>>> Bishop Cornal Garnett Henning Eighth Episcopal District, AME Church;
>> >>>>>>>>> New Orleans, LA
>> >>>>>>>>> Bishop McKinley Young Eleventh Episcopal District, AME Church;
>> >>>>>>>>> Jacksonville, FL
>> >>>>>>>>> Dr. Carl C. Bell President & CEO of Community Mental Health Council;
>> >>>>>>>>> Chicago, IL
>> >>>>>>>>> Dr. Marilyn Benoit Past President of American Academy of Child and
>> >>>>>>>>> Adolescent Psychiatry; Washington, DC
>> >>>>>>>>> Yvette McGee Brown President of Child and Family Advocacy Center;
>> >>>>>>>>> Columbus, OH
>> >>>>>>>>> Reverend Fred L. Shuttlesworth Past President of Southern Christian
>> >>>>>>>>> Leadership Conference
>> >>>>>>>>> Judith Jackson President of National Association of Black Social
>> >>>>>>>>> Workers; Washington, DC
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Compiled by Dr. Alvin Poussaint and EPOCH-USA (End Physical Punishment
>> >>>>>>>>> of Children), Columbus, OH 43215, Nadine Block Co-Chair www.stophitting.org
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> For more information on the problems of corporal punishment and
>> >>>>>>>>> especially its effects on the African-American population, please see
>> >>>>>>>>> the Fact Sheet on Corporal Punishment.
>> >
>>

0:-]

March 7th 07, 01:53 AM

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:51:47 -0800, Doan > wrote:

.....snip....

Why have you failed to respond to the section below?

>> >> Any particular reason you wanted a return address envelope?
>> >>
>> >> Planning on sharing Don's address? Thought you'd 'expose' Kane? R R R R
>> >> R R.

.....

>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
>> >>>>>>>>

And especially, Doan, why are you dragging out your dishonorable
behavior about this bet and not discussing the material I offered
below.

>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doan wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Where were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they find
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the same CORRELATIONS with non-cp alternatives?
>> >>>>>>>>>>> What was the study premise, Doan. Read the first two paragraphs. And
>> >>>>>>>>>>> then go back to your original claim about Black children and CP with
>> >>>>>>>>>>> this in mind:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> The studies wasn't about Black children, STUPID. However the authors
>> >>>>>>>>>> did say:
>> >>>>>>>>>> "One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
>> >>>>>>>>>> recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
>> >>>>>>>>>> groups,"
>> >>>>>>>>> Yep, and you've ignored the rest.

..........

>> >>>>>>>>> Why did you to take to Gregorizing, Doan? Can't argue with the full
>> >>>>>>>>> information in front of the reader?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> They'll see too easily what you really are?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Try reading again, what you quoted above, Doan.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> It doesn't say there is a need for caution in making recommendations
>> >>>>>>>>> about parenting practices.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Just about across different cultural groups.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> There are plenty of black people that do not go along with the "spanking
>> >>>>>>>>> is good for black children," kant.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> That would be within the culture and doubtless constitutes a
>> >>>>>>>>> recommendation.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> In fact I see a lot of claims about "the black community" and it's
>> >>>>>>>>> universal acceptance of spanking, but being made by whites, Doan.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I'd have to say that's a bit of cross cultural intrusion, wouldn't you?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> When I want to know what a person of another ethnicity thinks I ask. And
>> >>>>>>>>> I don't repeat what they say unless I read or hear them say it.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Do you know the name, Poussaint?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2812/corporal_punishment_hidden_costs/

You ducked this which follows.

>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical
>> >>>>>>>>> School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long
>> >>>>>>>>> opposed the use of corporal punishment.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> His major argument is simple: ï¿½the use of corporal punishment teaches
>> >>>>>>>>> children that violence is the way to solve problems.ï¿½ Poussaint, who was
>> >>>>>>>>> an adviser to the popular program ï¿½The Cosby Show,ï¿½ says corporal
>> >>>>>>>>> punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
>> >>>>>>>>> black community.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
>> >>>>>>>>> and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
>> >>>>>>>>> as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
>> >>>>>>>>> pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
>> >>>>>>>>> that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> ï¿½Thereï¿½s an overuse of beating kids,ï¿½ he said, breaking a major taboo
>> >>>>>>>>> among black leadership by raising this issue. ï¿½So that you have 80
>> >>>>>>>>> percent of black parents believing you should beat themï¿½beat the devil
>> >>>>>>>>> out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
>> >>>>>>>>> get.ï¿½
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
>> >>>>>>>>> anger. According to figures from the Department of Justiceï¿½s Bureau of
>> >>>>>>>>> Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
>> >>>>>>>>> Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
>> >>>>>>>>> murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
>> >>>>>>>>> fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
>> >>>>>>>>> five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
>> >>>>>>>>> ten times the white rate.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
>> >>>>>>>>> segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
>> >>>>>>>>> supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
>> >>>>>>>>> behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
>> >>>>>>>>> responsibility and cultural standards.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaintï¿½s
>> >>>>>>>>> anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesnï¿½t make sense is
>> >>>>>>>>> that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
>> >>>>>>>>> corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
>> >>>>>>>>> spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
>> >>>>>>>>> spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
>> >>>>>>>>> African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
>> >>>>>>>>> harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment theyï¿½re sure to
>> >>>>>>>>> receive in the Untied States.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
>> >>>>>>>>> prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
>> >>>>>>>>> doesnï¿½t work. "
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Author, Corporal Punishmentï¿½s Hidden Costs
>> >>>>>>>>> By Salim Muwakkil
>> >>>>>>>>> In These Times, September 8, 2006
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I've a hunch he's Black.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Assigning universal attributes to a culture is very tricky business
>> >>>>>>>>> under any circumstances.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Even the researchers in the International study didn't go for that.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> They made plain that cultural beliefs and actual performance
>> >>>>>>>>> varied...the point of the study.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I suggest YOU stop speaking for the Black community, Doan, as you have
>> >>>>>>>>> been inclined to do on this issue, making claims
>> >>>>>>>>> you have been completely unable to support.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Or, go over to "Black Studies," and speak directly to them.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.usc.edu/dept/publications/cat2006/schools/college/amst/african_american.html
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Tell them you know their story and their beliefs better than they do.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> 0:-]
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I'd say the following are some fair heavyweights in the Black Community,
>> >>>>>>>>> wouldn't you? Though not everyone is going to agree with them, of course.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> PROCLAMATION signed by African American Leaders
>> >>>>>>>>> OPPOSING SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment is defined as the intentional infliction of
>> >>>>>>>>> physical pain for purposes of stopping or preventing misbehavior, and
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment in schools is disproportionately used on
>> >>>>>>>>> African-American children, and
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, anger and violence can get out of control with corporal
>> >>>>>>>>> punishment causing injuries such as bleeding, bruises, and broken bones,
>> >>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment conveys a message to children that violence
>> >>>>>>>>> is an acceptable method for dealing with conflict, and
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, overwhelming evidence suggests that other methods of discipline
>> >>>>>>>>> work better like setting reasonable rules and standards, correcting
>> >>>>>>>>> children in a respectful, non-violent and consistent manner, praise and
>> >>>>>>>>> reward for appropriate behavior.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, all children deserve to be able to learn in a safe and
>> >>>>>>>>> supportive learning environment free from corporal punishment.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, we urge all school boards to ban corporal punishment and
>> >>>>>>>>> we urge state legislators in all states allowing its use to pass
>> >>>>>>>>> legislation ending school corporal punishment.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> SIGNATURES OF AFRICAN AMERICAN LEADERS ON A PROCLAMATION CALLING FOR A
>> >>>>>>>>> BAN ON SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT 12-04
>> >>>>>>>>> Dr. Alvin Poussaint Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School
>> >>>>>>>>> and Judge Baker Children's Center; Boston, MA
>> >>>>>>>>> Julian Bond Chairman of the Board of NAACP, Baltimore, MD
>> >>>>>>>>> Kweisi Mfume Past President & CEO of NAACP; Baltimore, MD
>> >>>>>>>>> Reverend Jesse Jackson, Sr. Founder & President of PUSH/EXCEL;
>> >>>>>>>>> Chicago, IL
>> >>>>>>>>> Marc H. Morial President & CEO of Urban League; New York, NY
>> >>>>>>>>> Dr. Michelle Clark Committee on Black Psychiatrists, American
>> >>>>>>>>> Psychiatric Assn.; Los Angeles, CA
>> >>>>>>>>> Dr. Winston Price President of National Medical Association;
>> >>>>>>>>> Washington, DC
>> >>>>>>>>> Marion Wright Edelman President of Children's Defense Fund;
>> >>>>>>>>> Washington, DC
>> >>>>>>>>> Dr. Deloris M. Saunders President of National Alliance of Black
>> >>>>>>>>> School Educators; Washington, DC
>> >>>>>>>>> Dr. Michael Lomax President & CEO of United Negro College Fund;
>> >>>>>>>>> Fairfax, VA
>> >>>>>>>>> Brother Reynaldo S. Taylor President, Nat'l Black Catholic
>> >>>>>>>>> Seminarian Assn; Cincinnati, OH
>> >>>>>>>>> Bishop E. Earl McCloud Ecumenical Officer, AME Church; Atlanta, GA
>> >>>>>>>>> Bishop Phillip Robert Cousin Fourth Episcopal District, AME Church;
>> >>>>>>>>> Chicago, IL
>> >>>>>>>>> Bishop Cornal Garnett Henning Eighth Episcopal District, AME Church;
>> >>>>>>>>> New Orleans, LA
>> >>>>>>>>> Bishop McKinley Young Eleventh Episcopal District, AME Church;
>> >>>>>>>>> Jacksonville, FL
>> >>>>>>>>> Dr. Carl C. Bell President & CEO of Community Mental Health Council;
>> >>>>>>>>> Chicago, IL
>> >>>>>>>>> Dr. Marilyn Benoit Past President of American Academy of Child and
>> >>>>>>>>> Adolescent Psychiatry; Washington, DC
>> >>>>>>>>> Yvette McGee Brown President of Child and Family Advocacy Center;
>> >>>>>>>>> Columbus, OH
>> >>>>>>>>> Reverend Fred L. Shuttlesworth Past President of Southern Christian
>> >>>>>>>>> Leadership Conference
>> >>>>>>>>> Judith Jackson President of National Association of Black Social
>> >>>>>>>>> Workers; Washington, DC
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Compiled by Dr. Alvin Poussaint and EPOCH-USA (End Physical Punishment
>> >>>>>>>>> of Children), Columbus, OH 43215, Nadine Block Co-Chair www.stophitting.org
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> For more information on the problems of corporal punishment and
>> >>>>>>>>> especially its effects on the African-American population, please see
>> >>>>>>>>> the Fact Sheet on Corporal Punishment.
>> >

Any particular reason you are avoiding the above, Doan?

Been to the Black Studies program and discussed your belief about
Black children and the use of CP?

Shouldn't be hard for you.

Get back to me with their response.

0:->

>>

Doan

March 7th 07, 04:18 AM

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:

> Doan wrote:
> > On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >
> >>>> You just withdrew your bet.
> >>>>
> >>> All I have asked is who is this character, Don Fisher?
> >> Why the question mark? That's not a question.
> >>
> > That is a questio, a question you still haven't answered!
>
> Liar, I told you he's my agent.
>
I don't know him!

> YOU lied when you said you had not heard of him before.
>
I have not. Who is he and when have I heard of him?

> >
> >> Nor are you entitled to know the even the name of my postman.
> >>
> > I can ask.
>
> And I can refuse to answer.
>
Sure. Are you refusing to answer?

> What is it that you are hiding?
>
That I know Don Fisher?

> Nothing. You are asking the infamous "when did you stop beating your
> wife," question.
>
I didn't ask that question, STUPID LIAR!

> What are you hiding when I ask you want you intend to do with his address?
>
Huh? Can you speak proper English? That sentence makes no sense at all!

> You RENEGED.
>
Reneged what?

> It's that simple.
>
That a lie!

> You are a coward.
>
The proven LIAR is you!

> It's that simple.
>
> You asked a question instead of taking the bet or withdrawing your bet.
>
I have not withdraw my bet. You are lying!

> It's over, coward.
>
The coward is you!

> You are a liar, and you reneged.
>
The LIAR is you!

> And I've made the request you bet you would not see.
>
Would not see what?

> I know perfectly well it can be posted to me in electronic format by
> you. Unless you have lied about having it.
>
Sure, I can scan it using your method but I might ended up with a
corrupted PDF file. Hihihi!

> You are unethical.
>
The one that is unethical is you.

> Once again, as in the Embry study, dodging the debate by playing games
> over the access to it.
>
And the liar were you when you said it is not available from the library
noe AAA Foundation. You were even stupid enough to claimed that you
sent a copy to Alina! Hihihi!

> Give me the study. I REQUEST it.
>
Send me the envelopE!

> Or didn't you see that?
>
Is it in the mail?

> I'll mail you my request when you have transmitted it, if you insist on
> having my request in hard copy.
>
> I notice you are doing everything you can to keep the study from me,
> aren't you, Doan?
>
Sure. I am waiting for that envelope. Did you send it to MEXCIO again.
Hihihi!

> "Hihihi," right?
>
Hihihi!

> I have posts where YOU discuss Don Fisher, liar.
>
Who is Don Fisher?

> I also notice YOU, who claim I post under a nym, have still not answered
> my question. What is your full real name?
>
Hihihi!

> Hence YOU are posting under the Nym, Doan.
>
Hihihi! You are STUPID!

EK:-)

>
>
> 0:]
>

Doan

March 7th 07, 04:19 AM

Hihihi! The Empty Kane is EXPOSED for hist stupidity.

Doan

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:

> Doan wrote:
> > On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >
> >> Doan wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:00:05 -0800, Doan > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> It wasn't there when I looked. All I got was:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Information from whois :
> >>>>> Network Owner: unknown
> >>>>> Registered on: unknown
> >>>>> Updated on: unknown
> >>>>> Expires on: unknown
> >>>>> Netblock(s): unknown unknown
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Something is up with Senderbase. Got a number for me to call?
> >>>> Sure, since I've been giving you a demonstration of the many dodges
> >>>> Doan't uses, try 555.555.5555
> >>>>
> >>> That number doesn't work, Kane. Got another one?
> >
> > No number, Kane? Hihihi!
> >
> >>>> Hi hi hi, good buddy.
> >>>>
> >>> Hihihi!
> >>>
> >>>> I suspect YOUR system is at fault. Try posting from home.
> >>>>
> >>> My system is fine. It has to be the "proxy checker" at Senderbase.
> >> They use Whois. I guess you didn't notice because you keep hiding that
> >> block of information, or none information in the lower left quadrant.
> >
> > I can query whois directly. So can you, STUPID!
> >
> >>>> Or go down the hall to a workstation on the network.
> >>>>
> >>>> Or just keep trying like I did.
> >>>>
> >>>> I pulled a blank once on that ip today, but it only took one more to
> >>>> pull up info.
> >>>>
> >>>> It is a database, you know, and you know how twitchy they can be
> >>>> sometimes on line. I wonder if they are on a Linux based server. R R R
> >>>> R R
> >>>>
> >>> Hihihi! Wow. Trying to sound knowledgeable, Kane?
> >> Not in the least. No need to try.
> >>
> > So how is Alina's ip address "out of range" again?
> >
> >>>> What fascinates me most about your inquiry, is that every time you
> >>>> claim you got nothing, you fail to copy and paste the empty fields
> >>>> with their titles, but you manage to find all the other blocks, their
> >>>> fields and print them.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now why would you play that kind of game, Doan't?
> >>>>
> >>>> You been "run" Doan't, and all you foot stomping isn't going to change
> >>>> that. Including your claims that I lied...when what I did was a simple
> >>>> mirror of you and your tactics.
> >>>>
> >>> Hihihi. The only one that doing the running is YOU, Empty Kane.
> >> No, I told you I gave you a run of your own style of posting as an
> >> object lesson.
> >>
> > Hihihi! That is your excuse! You run because you cannot support
> > your FALSE accusation against me.
> >
> >> Take it or leave it.
> >>
> > Take what? You LIES!
> >
> >>>> You know, slide here, slide there, slide away from the actual issue?
> >>>>
> >>> Yup! Like you sliding from the PROOF that Alina is me?
> >> I never thought you were Alina, stupid. I jerked your chain for a year
> >> or two.
> >>
> > So now you are changing your story. Hihihi!
> >
> >>> Or like
> >>> you sliding from the fact that you have not called Senderbase. You
> >>> can't even give me their number, Kane!
> >> 650 989 6544
> >
> > It's not for Senderbase issue. Are you lying again, Kane?
> >
> >> You must be dreaming again. AFdreaming.
> >>
> > It's my dream but I am your nightmare! Hihihi!
> >
> >>>> Ever time you accuse me you are simply accusing yourself..for those
> >>>> ARE your tactics. To make claims that are out of context, and dodge
> >>>> when confronted.
> >>>>
> >>>> You are a liar. Face it, child.
> >>>>
> >>> The proven LIAR is you, Kane!
> >> You just reneged after betting me I wouldn't make the request.
> >>
> >> No, my boy, it's you, and unlike me who would mislead only to protect
> >> others and their lives, YOU lied simply to score a point in debate.
> >>
> > Hihihi! You are just a pathalogic liar, Kane. A STUPID one too!
> >
> >> You're kind of sick.
> >
> > And you are kind of insane. Hihihi!
> >
> >>>> It's not clever. IT'S DOAN LYING.
> >>>>
> >>> It's Empty Kane making noises! Hihihi!
> >> That prove you are a liar, and now a coward.
> >>
> > The proven LIAR (false accusation) and COWARD (hiding behind a nym) is
> > YOU!
> >
> >> You reneged on your bet. Want to see the post?
> >>
> > What bet?
> >
> >> "Who is this Don Fisher? I have never known him. How can he be trusted?
> >>
> >> Doan"
> >>
> > You haven't told me who Don Fisher is. Why is that?
> >
> >> You don't need the name of the bank teller to do business here, nor the
> >> name of the postman to send a letter. Don is my agent, nothing more.
> >>
> > Bank tellers are hired by the bank. The bank is FDIC insured. Can
> > you say the same about Don Fisher? Is he bonded?
> >
> >> You ran, little boy.
> >>
> > You are STUPID, Empty Kane!
> >
> > EK:-)
>
>
> You are stupid, lying nym named Doan.
>
> You still aren't posting under your real name, only a part.
>
> I post under my full name.
>
> All this to avoid facing that you are coward who reneged on a bet, Doan?
>
> Liar. Coward. Moral creep.
>
> You made a bet now you want out of it.
>
> Why is that, slime ball?
>
> Ask anyone if you made the bet.
>
> Ask anyone if I accepted.
>
> Ask anyone if you have now refused to honor the bet.
>
> You are asking questions instead of honoring you word.
>
> I'm under NO obligation to answer a single question in this matter. You
> bet, I called, you ran, coward.
>
> What are YOU trying to hide, Doan?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> >>>> And if you continue it with me, and do not acknowledge when I have
> >>>> shown that you made a "mistake," like your claim about Straus v
> >>>> Baumrind and careful concealment by omission of everything he said, I
> >>>> may run another mirror on your sorry lying ass again.
> >>>>
> >>> Hihihi! Straus said Baumrind study is the best! That claim has
> >>> been proven.
> >>>
> >>>> There is no shortage of such from your posting archives, Doan.
> >>>>
> >>> Same to you, Empty Kane.
> >>>
> >>>> And I keep them offline where you can't have them dropped from Usenet.
> >>>>
> >>> Hihihi! How do you that, Kane?
> >>>
> >>> EK:->
> >>>
> >>>> 0:-]
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Doan
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:15:40 -0800, Doan > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Kane,
> >>>>>>> I tried putting your ip address into the Senderbase site and guess what?
> >>>>>>> It said that you are using a "fictitous address"!!! Hihihi!
> >>>>>> The word fictitious does not appear on the page. Why are you lying
> >>>>>> again?
> >>>>>>> Report on IP address: 66.228.25.123
> >>>>>> Okay, I will, before ending this post, enter that information and
> >>>>>> report it back, and unlike YOU I'll provide the link. Why have you
> >>>>>> hidden the link?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And why have you pasted every section of the page, but the one that
> >>>>>> DOES have the ISP source ID information, AGAIN, Doan?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just can't resist lying?
> >>>>>> The following block of data fields starts on the left upper section of
> >>>>>> the page, Doan:
> >>>>>>> Volume Statistics for this IP
> >>>>>>> Magnitude Vol Change vs. Average
> >>>>>>> Last day 0.0 -100%
> >>>>>>> Last 30 days 0.0 -100%
> >>>>>>> Average 0.0
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> The next block below it is as follows. Roughly left center position:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Third-party Certification
> >>>>>>> Sender Score Certified? Not Certified
> >>>>>>> TRUSTe Privacy Seal? Not Certified
> >>>>>> The next line is from the top of the block I have referred to
> >>>>>> repeatedly.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Information from whois
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Please wait...loading data...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> And suddenly you record NOTHING, not even paste the blank fields you
> >>>>>> claim are there?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Where's the lower left corner block of fields, Doan? They belong right
> >>>>>> here.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Didn't your mommy teach you, in between spankings, your left from your
> >>>>>> right and top from bottom?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Here's what I get in the whois block...that seems to be missing from
> >>>>>> your post...liar.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (stay tuned, because not only am I going to provide you that block,
> >>>>>> but unlike YOU I'm going to provide a link so people can see you lied.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This block of information below is the set of fields on the RIGHT side
> >>>>>> of the page, and sometimes shows info and sometimes does not. I've
> >>>>>> posted all this before, including all blocks of data fields on the
> >>>>>> page, but you cut section, AGAIN, that I've noted in prior posts.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Read on.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Other information about this IP address
> >>>>>>> Sender Category unknown
> >>>>>>> Network Owner unknown
> >>>>>>> Domain unknown
> >>>>>>> Date of first message seen from this address
> >>>>>>> CIDR range unknown
> >>>>>>> # of domains controlled by this network owner 0
> >>>>>>> Geography data
> >>>>>>> Country unknown
> >>>>>>> State unknown
> >>>>>>> City unknown
> >>>>>>> Postal code unknown
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Related links
> >>>>>>> Google groups
> >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/groups?scoring=d&q=66.228.25.123+group:*abuse*
> >>>>>>> SpamCop http://spamcop.net/w3m?action=checkblock&ip=66.228.25.123
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Real-time blacklists [ Click to view all ]
> >>>>>>> not in any blacklists
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No address list shown since no email was detected from 66.228.25.0/24.
> >>>>>> That is all information BUT the information that matters. The lower
> >>>>>> left block. Observe, liar:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://www.senderbase.org/search?searchString=66.228.25.123
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That's my IP for today, the same one you just used.
> >>>>>> As you said earlier in the post:
> >>>>>>> Report on IP address: 66.228.25.123
> >>>>>> And all the page reads exactly as you have posted, except for that
> >>>>>> lower left block, Doan, that was blank on running Alina's IP number.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> With MINE it says this:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Information from whois [ Click to show details ]
> >>>>>> Network Owner: Gorge Networks Inc.
> >>>>>> Registered on: 2006-02-16
> >>>>>> Updated on: 2006-02-16
> >>>>>> Expires on: unknown
> >>>>>> Netblock(s): 66.228.16.0/20
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And if I "[ Click to show details ]" I get:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> OrgName: Gorge Networks Inc.
> >>>>>> OrgID: GRGE
> >>>>>> Address: 616 Industrial Ste. 401
> >>>>>> City: Hood River
> >>>>>> StateProv: OR
> >>>>>> PostalCode: 97031
> >>>>>> Country: US
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> NetRange: 66.228.16.0 - 66.228.31.255
> >>>>>> CIDR: 66.228.16.0/20
> >>>>>> NetName: GNBLCK-3
> >>>>>> NetHandle: NET-66-228-16-0-1
> >>>>>> Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0
> >>>>>> NetType: Direct Allocation
> >>>>>> NameServer: SERV.GORGE.NET
> >>>>>> NameServer: DNS2.GORGE.NET
> >>>>>> Comment:
> >>>>>> RegDate: 2006-02-16
> >>>>>> Updated: 2006-02-16
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> OrgTechHandle: NETAD59-ARIN
> >>>>>> OrgTechName: Netadmin Team
> >>>>>> OrgTechPhone: +1-541-386-8300
> >>>>>> OrgTechEmail:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2007-03-04 19:10
> >>>>>> # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
> >>>>>> ......
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Has Doany gots hims a bokin compooter...?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Or is Doan a lying little fleck of cow ****?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Doan
> >>>>>> The fact is Doan, I've found that site from time to time actually
> >>>>>> failing to process and entry....that is why I run it many times on an
> >>>>>> IP number to see if I can produce results. No matter how many time's I
> >>>>>> ran it it would not produce anthing for Alina's IP number.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But on the first run, for myself and others we've done, bingo...full
> >>>>>> disclosure.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Maybe you just got a bad run, Doan....what did you call it, "a bug?"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Or you are lying. I tend to think the latter.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Still haven't owned up to lying about Straus's by quoting out of
> >>>>>> context, have you Doan?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Still lie about me using the word "concede" don't you, Doan?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rely almost entirely on just such tricks as this....quoting and
> >>>>>> leaving out the relevant information.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Are you under a doctor's care, Doan?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Have you gotten the object lesson yet, or was it too painful and now
> >>>>>> you are upping the intensenty on your squirming weasel efforts to
> >>>>>> escape the uncomfortable truth about yourself?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That you are a liar.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 0:-]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Doan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ....snip....
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Alina's
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ..snip....
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Apparently you don't really want to debate.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Let me know when you do by recognizing I'm not going to discuss this
> >>>>>>>> issue with you further.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I did not care one way or the other. It was an object lesson for you.
> >>>>>>>> And you got it or you wouldn't be worrying it now trying to dodge real
> >>>>>>>> debate...as usual.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Kane
> >>>>>>>>
> >
>

Doan

March 7th 07, 04:25 AM

More noises from an Empty Kane!

Doan

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:30:26 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >
> >> Doan wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:56:41 -0800, Doan > wrote:
> >> >> ..........My bet is I won't see the request from you.....
> >> >>
> >> >> Five hundred dollars($500) says you will see my request in the mail.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm good for a thousand if you wish to up your bet.
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:10:46 -0800, Doan > wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> 0:-> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Or give me an address and I'll send you an envelope and postage.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> 0:]
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>> Glad to. Send me a SASE to:
> >> >>>>> Doan
> >> >>>>> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
> >> >>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90089
> >> >>>> You forgot the postage amount.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the intelligent
> >> >>> you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can understand the
> >> >>> study.
> >> >> If the study-report is very long I'll take a few days to study it. And
> >> >> then we can proceed with something other than you usual little
> >> >> foolishnesses....like that's going to stop.
> >> >>
> >> >>> My bet is I won't see the request from you. You are as
> >> >>> transparent as a jelly-fish, Kane. Hihihi!
> >> >> Yes, I saw your bet. I call you. Any figure from $500 to $,1000 is my
> >> >> limit. Nothing less than $500 please, or we might think you were just
> >> >> blowing hard when you bet.
> >> >>
> >> >> Nothing more than $1,000 as that would be too cruel to you.
> >> >>
> >> >> And no fair blinding yourself, or asking someone else to open my
> >> >> envelope so "you" don't actually see my request.
> >> >>
> >> >> In fact, I'll post here and now, a copy of my letter to you making
> >> >> that request you bet you won't see, and my request for payment, both
> >> >> of which you will see.
> >> >>
> >> >> You'll be able to judge my 'intelligent' much better soon, I assure
> >> >> you.
> >> >>
> >> >> And my relative transparency.
> >> >>
> >> >> As you know I've come to know Don Fisher rather well over the years.
> >> >> He has been invited to join us. At least in the handling of our
> >> >> correspondence.
> >> >>
> >> > Who is this Don Fisher? I have never known him. How can he be trusted?
> >>
> >> Hihihi!
> >>
> >> You just withdrew your bet.
> >>
> >All I have asked is who is this character, Don Fisher?
>
> I'm not interested in your diverting questions.
>
> >Seem like you
> >tried to full a fast one on me with this shady character that I have
> >never heard of.
>
> I have your posts. You've read of him.
>
> Of course you've never "heard" of him. We don't speak here, we write.
>
> Tell me you've never read about him. And then who your friend is that
> appears to present your arguments when YOU have been addressed, AnneF?
>
>
> Doan simply lies again to avoid the fact he reneged. He bet. He was
> called, and now he's ducking. And running from his own exposure of
> himself as dishonorable.
>
> You could have accepted the bet then asked questions, Doan.
>
> You are a liar. And a proven coward. And a proven welcher.
>
> But them, what's new, eh?
>
> >
> >Doan
>
> Let me if you are ready to email me that study report.
>
> I 'request' it.
>
> Now lie and say you don't have or can't get it in email format.
>
> I'll show you, even though you have "bet" and reneged, that you will
> most certainly see my request, here, and in your mail box.
>
> Doan is a coward.
>
> 0:]
>
>
>
> >
> >> There now, isn't that a relief for you?
> >>
> >> So, your honor is worth $500 bucks, eh? Tsk.
> >>
> >> And you have withdrawn your claim that you will not see my request,
> >> admitting it was a calculated lie.
> >>
> >> Or would you like to bet again?
> >>
> >> So, your honor is worth $500 bucks, eh? Tsk.
> >>
> >> And lucky for you, you just saved your lying cowardly ass $500.
> >>
> >> I'll have this post for you the next time you claim "you are the proven
> >> liar, Kane."
> >>
> >> Here's a little gift for you, bright boy:
> >>
> >> I could not collect from you legally in California anyway.
> >>
> >> Doan't you ever check anything? It would have been so much more easy an
> >> out for you, stupid.
> >>
> >> But I would have waited for you to visit my state. 0:]
> >>
> >> I have it on good authority, by the way, you can get it in that
> >> format....free through the University of Southern California library.
> >> Know them? 17 pages as I recall. All you need is student or staff
> >> library privs. Then you could have sent it to me.
> >>
> >> Any particular reason you wanted a return address envelope?
> >>
> >> Planning on sharing Don's address? Thought you'd 'expose' Kane? R R R R
> >> R R.
> >>
> >> Once more playing unethical lying games, Doan?
> >>
> >> So, send me the study.
> >>
> >> That is my request that you bet you wouldn't see, coward.
> >>
> >> When I get it from you I'll still have Don send the envelope. I'm
> >> honorable. You are not.
> >>
> >> You are a liar, Proven, Doan. Your parents would be proud. For nothing
> >> more than a silly little ego game. Tsk. Liar, tsk.
> >>
> >> Deny it.
> >>
> >> 0:]
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Doan
> >> >
> >> >> And transfer of funds. Upon our acceptance of my call on your bet I
> >> >> will place whatever amount you agree to between $500 and $1,000. If I
> >> >> fail to give him the go ahead on sending my request (which would be
> >> >> kind of silly unless I were dead...0:>) he will send you the money.
> >> >>
> >> >> When you receive my request in the mail, and it will be sent Return
> >> >> Receipt Requested, he will accept payment for me.
> >> >>
> >> >> I expect payment by mail. Please send you money to pay your debt again
> >> >> with USPS RRR. That way you will have a record of Don receiving it
> >> >> should there be any question about you having sent or not sent the
> >> >> money.
> >> >>
> >> >> Here is the letter I just forwarded to him electronically, and he will
> >> >> print out, when the amount is decided upon, and send to you, making my
> >> >> request.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thank you, Doan.
> >> >>
> >> >> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
> >> >>
> >> >> March 5, 2007 10:52am
> >> >>
> >> >> Doan
> >> >> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
> >> >> Los Angeles, CA 90089
> >> >>
> >> >> Doan,
> >> >>
> >> >> Here is the request accompanying the envelope you said you bet I would
> >> >> not send for the study.
> >> >>
> >> >> Please send me the study, and your $500.
> >> >>
> >> >> Your posted comments below for a reminder of your bet.
> >> >>
> >> >> ">On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
> >> >>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:10:46 -0800, Doan > wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> 0:-> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Or give me an address and I'll send you an envelope and postage.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> 0:]
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>> Glad to. Send me a SASE to:
> >> >>>>> Doan
> >> >>>>> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
> >> >>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90089
> >> >>>> You forgot the postage amount.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the intelligent
> >> >>> you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can understand the
> >> >>> study. My bet is I won't see the request from you. "
> >> >> You are seeing my request.
> >> >>
> >> >> Don Fisher has kindly agreed to handle my correspondence with you.
> >> >>
> >> >> So then, please make the check out to Donald L. Fisher, who I trust to
> >> >> handle the transaction for us and cash your check for me.
> >> >>
> >> >> Or, you can be obtuse, and make it out to Pohaku Kane, and I assure
> >> >> you, my bank will take it. They have before. Though that business I
> >> >> used it for for so many years was closed over 20 years ago.
> >> >>
> >> >> In any case you'll see your account reduced by the amount, in short
> >> >> order.
> >> >>
> >> >> The study please, I request it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Transparent and JellyFish enough for you, Doan?
> >> >>
> >> >> Affectionately, 0:]
> >> >>
> >> >> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Doan't you think that it would have been more profitable, money-wise,
> >> >> or credibility-wise (you get to pick now), to have simply debated the
> >> >> issues below and left off the smart ass bull**** that's gotten you in
> >> >> so much trouble before with your dodging?
> >> >>
> >> >>> Doan
> >> >> Have a happy Hihihi.
> >> >>
> >> >> I also wish to inform you and any posters or readers to these
> >> >> newsgroups, that if I should ever use the term 'bet' as in "I bet," in
> >> >> the future, it's to be considered a figure of speech. 0:]
> >> >>
> >> >> You might want to now place your own disclaimer before you slip again.
> >> >>
> >> >> Here, fill in the blank_________________________.
> >> >>
> >> >> Kane
> >> >>
> >> >>>>> Hihihi!
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Doan wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Doan wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Where were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they find
> >> >>>>>>>>>> the same CORRELATIONS with non-cp alternatives?
> >> >>>>>>>>> What was the study premise, Doan. Read the first two paragraphs. And
> >> >>>>>>>>> then go back to your original claim about Black children and CP with
> >> >>>>>>>>> this in mind:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> The studies wasn't about Black children, STUPID. However the authors
> >> >>>>>>>> did say:
> >> >>>>>>>> "One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
> >> >>>>>>>> recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
> >> >>>>>>>> groups,"
> >> >>>>>>> Yep, and you've ignored the rest.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> As for black children, what do you usually call African children?
> >> >>>>>>>> Do you always like making a fool of yourself, Kane? Hihihi!
> >> >>>>>>> I couldn't keep up with you doing it to yourself even if I tried, Doan.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Doan
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Why did you to take to Gregorizing, Doan? Can't argue with the full
> >> >>>>>>> information in front of the reader?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> They'll see too easily what you really are?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Try reading again, what you quoted above, Doan.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> It doesn't say there is a need for caution in making recommendations
> >> >>>>>>> about parenting practices.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Just about across different cultural groups.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> There are plenty of black people that do not go along with the "spanking
> >> >>>>>>> is good for black children," kant.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> That would be within the culture and doubtless constitutes a
> >> >>>>>>> recommendation.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> In fact I see a lot of claims about "the black community" and it's
> >> >>>>>>> universal acceptance of spanking, but being made by whites, Doan.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> I'd have to say that's a bit of cross cultural intrusion, wouldn't you?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> When I want to know what a person of another ethnicity thinks I ask. And
> >> >>>>>>> I don't repeat what they say unless I read or hear them say it.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Do you know the name, Poussaint?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2812/corporal_punishment_hidden_costs/
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical
> >> >>>>>>> School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long
> >> >>>>>>> opposed the use of corporal punishment.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> His major argument is simple: ï¿½the use of corporal punishment teaches
> >> >>>>>>> children that violence is the way to solve problems.ï¿½ Poussaint, who was
> >> >>>>>>> an adviser to the popular program ï¿½The Cosby Show,ï¿½ says corporal
> >> >>>>>>> punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
> >> >>>>>>> black community.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
> >> >>>>>>> and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
> >> >>>>>>> as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
> >> >>>>>>> pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
> >> >>>>>>> that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> ï¿½Thereï¿½s an overuse of beating kids,ï¿½ he said, breaking a major taboo
> >> >>>>>>> among black leadership by raising this issue. ï¿½So that you have 80
> >> >>>>>>> percent of black parents believing you should beat themï¿½beat the devil
> >> >>>>>>> out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
> >> >>>>>>> get.ï¿½
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
> >> >>>>>>> anger. According to figures from the Department of Justiceï¿½s Bureau of
> >> >>>>>>> Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
> >> >>>>>>> Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
> >> >>>>>>> murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
> >> >>>>>>> fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
> >> >>>>>>> five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
> >> >>>>>>> ten times the white rate.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
> >> >>>>>>> segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
> >> >>>>>>> supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
> >> >>>>>>> behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
> >> >>>>>>> responsibility and cultural standards.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaintï¿½s
> >> >>>>>>> anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesnï¿½t make sense is
> >> >>>>>>> that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
> >> >>>>>>> corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
> >> >>>>>>> spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
> >> >>>>>>> spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
> >> >>>>>>> African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
> >> >>>>>>> harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment theyï¿½re sure to
> >> >>>>>>> receive in the Untied States.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
> >> >>>>>>> prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
> >> >>>>>>> doesnï¿½t work. "
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Author, Corporal Punishmentï¿½s Hidden Costs
> >> >>>>>>> By Salim Muwakkil
> >> >>>>>>> In These Times, September 8, 2006
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> I've a hunch he's Black.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Assigning universal attributes to a culture is very tricky business
> >> >>>>>>> under any circumstances.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Even the researchers in the International study didn't go for that.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> They made plain that cultural beliefs and actual performance
> >> >>>>>>> varied...the point of the study.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> I suggest YOU stop speaking for the Black community, Doan, as you have
> >> >>>>>>> been inclined to do on this issue, making claims
> >> >>>>>>> you have been completely unable to support.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Or, go over to "Black Studies," and speak directly to them.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> http://www.usc.edu/dept/publications/cat2006/schools/college/amst/african_american.html
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Tell them you know their story and their beliefs better than they do.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> 0:-]
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> I'd say the following are some fair heavyweights in the Black Community,
> >> >>>>>>> wouldn't you? Though not everyone is going to agree with them, of course.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> PROCLAMATION signed by African American Leaders
> >> >>>>>>> OPPOSING SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment is defined as the intentional infliction of
> >> >>>>>>> physical pain for purposes of stopping or preventing misbehavior, and
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment in schools is disproportionately used on
> >> >>>>>>> African-American children, and
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> WHEREAS, anger and violence can get out of control with corporal
> >> >>>>>>> punishment causing injuries such as bleeding, bruises, and broken bones,
> >> >>>>>>> and
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment conveys a message to children that violence
> >> >>>>>>> is an acceptable method for dealing with conflict, and
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> WHEREAS, overwhelming evidence suggests that other methods of discipline
> >> >>>>>>> work better like setting reasonable rules and standards, correcting
> >> >>>>>>> children in a respectful, non-violent and consistent manner, praise and
> >> >>>>>>> reward for appropriate behavior.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> WHEREAS, all children deserve to be able to learn in a safe and
> >> >>>>>>> supportive learning environment free from corporal punishment.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, we urge all school boards to ban corporal punishment and
> >> >>>>>>> we urge state legislators in all states allowing its use to pass
> >> >>>>>>> legislation ending school corporal punishment.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> SIGNATURES OF AFRICAN AMERICAN LEADERS ON A PROCLAMATION CALLING FOR A
> >> >>>>>>> BAN ON SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT 12-04
> >> >>>>>>> Dr. Alvin Poussaint Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School
> >> >>>>>>> and Judge Baker Children's Center; Boston, MA
> >> >>>>>>> Julian Bond Chairman of the Board of NAACP, Baltimore, MD
> >> >>>>>>> Kweisi Mfume Past President & CEO of NAACP; Baltimore, MD
> >> >>>>>>> Reverend Jesse Jackson, Sr. Founder & President of PUSH/EXCEL;
> >> >>>>>>> Chicago, IL
> >> >>>>>>> Marc H. Morial President & CEO of Urban League; New York, NY
> >> >>>>>>> Dr. Michelle Clark Committee on Black Psychiatrists, American
> >> >>>>>>> Psychiatric Assn.; Los Angeles, CA
> >> >>>>>>> Dr. Winston Price President of National Medical Association;
> >> >>>>>>> Washington, DC
> >> >>>>>>> Marion Wright Edelman President of Children's Defense Fund;
> >> >>>>>>> Washington, DC
> >> >>>>>>> Dr. Deloris M. Saunders President of National Alliance of Black
> >> >>>>>>> School Educators; Washington, DC
> >> >>>>>>> Dr. Michael Lomax President & CEO of United Negro College Fund;
> >> >>>>>>> Fairfax, VA
> >> >>>>>>> Brother Reynaldo S. Taylor President, Nat'l Black Catholic
> >> >>>>>>> Seminarian Assn; Cincinnati, OH
> >> >>>>>>> Bishop E. Earl McCloud Ecumenical Officer, AME Church; Atlanta, GA
> >> >>>>>>> Bishop Phillip Robert Cousin Fourth Episcopal District, AME Church;
> >> >>>>>>> Chicago, IL
> >> >>>>>>> Bishop Cornal Garnett Henning Eighth Episcopal District, AME Church;
> >> >>>>>>> New Orleans, LA
> >> >>>>>>> Bishop McKinley Young Eleventh Episcopal District, AME Church;
> >> >>>>>>> Jacksonville, FL
> >> >>>>>>> Dr. Carl C. Bell President & CEO of Community Mental Health Council;
> >> >>>>>>> Chicago, IL
> >> >>>>>>> Dr. Marilyn Benoit Past President of American Academy of Child and
> >> >>>>>>> Adolescent Psychiatry; Washington, DC
> >> >>>>>>> Yvette McGee Brown President of Child and Family Advocacy Center;
> >> >>>>>>> Columbus, OH
> >> >>>>>>> Reverend Fred L. Shuttlesworth Past President of Southern Christian
> >> >>>>>>> Leadership Conference
> >> >>>>>>> Judith Jackson President of National Association of Black Social
> >> >>>>>>> Workers; Washington, DC
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Compiled by Dr. Alvin Poussaint and EPOCH-USA (End Physical Punishment
> >> >>>>>>> of Children), Columbus, OH 43215, Nadine Block Co-Chair www.stophitting.org
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> For more information on the problems of corporal punishment and
> >> >>>>>>> especially its effects on the African-American population, please see
> >> >>>>>>> the Fact Sheet on Corporal Punishment.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
>
>

Doan

March 7th 07, 04:25 AM

More noises from a STUPID Empty Kane. Hihihi!

Doan

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:51:47 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >
> >> >> You just withdrew your bet.
> >> >>
> >> > All I have asked is who is this character, Don Fisher?
> >>
> >> Why the question mark? That's not a question.
> >>
> >That is a questio, a question you still haven't answered!
> >
> >> Nor are you entitled to know the even the name of my postman.
> >>
> >I can ask. What is it that you are hiding?
> >
> >> > Seem like you
> >> > tried to full a fast one on me with this shady character
> >>
> >> Would you care to make that claim official? What do you mean by shady?
> >>
> >Shady = not clear. Can you make it clear whois this character is?
> >
> >> > that I have
> >> > never heard of.
> >>
> >> Lie.
> >>
> >The proven LIAR is YOU!
>
> Liar.
>
> >
> >> Sorry, doesn't compute. You have responded to thread, where he's been
> >> discussed, and you have tried to threaten me by using HIS wife's name in
> >> the belief he is me and I'll back off out of fear of exposure.
> >>
> >Huh? Who is his wife? I did not have a sexual relationship with that
> >woman! Hihihi!
> >
> >> Read you posts, dummy. Most of us have.
> >>
> >Why woud I waste my time on your LIES?
>
> Why would you ask a rhetorical question when the lies are yours?
>
> >> >
> >>
> >> You reneged, now you are running from your cowardly bet and your
> >> unwillingness to honor it.
> >>
> >What bet is that?
>
> "For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the
> intelligent you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can
> understand the study. My bet is I won't see the request from you. "
>
> Do you deny you offered to bet me?
>
> >> And you are lying to do it.
> >>
> >The proven liar here is YOU!
>
> Oh?
>
> "For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the
> intelligent you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can
> understand the study. My bet is I won't see the request from you. "
> >
> >> What about Don Fisher is shady, Doan? Speak right up, coward.
> >
> >Who is this Don Fisher, Kane? Speak up, coward!
>
> Who is he? Don Fisher.
>
> I'm not authorized to tell you more about someone without their
> permission. I doubt he'd give it, given your behavior in these
> newsgroups, and those you associate with.
> >
> >EK:-)
>
> Don't be afraid. I won't hurt you. Honest.
>
> Kane
>
>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> > Doan
> >> >
> >> >> There now, isn't that a relief for you?
> >> >>
> >> >> So, your honor is worth $500 bucks, eh? Tsk.
> >> >>
> >> >> And you have withdrawn your claim that you will not see my request,
> >> >> admitting it was a calculated lie.
> >> >>
> >> >> Or would you like to bet again?
> >> >>
> >> >> So, your honor is worth $500 bucks, eh? Tsk.
> >> >>
> >> >> And lucky for you, you just saved your lying cowardly ass $500.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'll have this post for you the next time you claim "you are the proven
> >> >> liar, Kane."
> >> >>
> >> >> Here's a little gift for you, bright boy:
> >> >>
> >> >> I could not collect from you legally in California anyway.
> >> >>
> >> >> Doan't you ever check anything? It would have been so much more easy an
> >> >> out for you, stupid.
> >> >>
> >> >> But I would have waited for you to visit my state. 0:]
> >> >>
> >> >> I have it on good authority, by the way, you can get it in that
> >> >> format....free through the University of Southern California library.
> >> >> Know them? 17 pages as I recall. All you need is student or staff
> >> >> library privs. Then you could have sent it to me.
> >> >>
> >> >> Any particular reason you wanted a return address envelope?
> >> >>
> >> >> Planning on sharing Don's address? Thought you'd 'expose' Kane? R R R R
> >> >> R R.
> >> >>
> >> >> Once more playing unethical lying games, Doan?
> >> >>
> >> >> So, send me the study.
> >> >>
> >> >> That is my request that you bet you wouldn't see, coward.
> >> >>
> >> >> When I get it from you I'll still have Don send the envelope. I'm
> >> >> honorable. You are not.
> >> >>
> >> >> You are a liar, Proven, Doan. Your parents would be proud. For nothing
> >> >> more than a silly little ego game. Tsk. Liar, tsk.
> >> >>
> >> >> Deny it.
> >> >>
> >> >> 0:]
> >> >>
> >> >>> Doan
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> And transfer of funds. Upon our acceptance of my call on your bet I
> >> >>>> will place whatever amount you agree to between $500 and $1,000. If I
> >> >>>> fail to give him the go ahead on sending my request (which would be
> >> >>>> kind of silly unless I were dead...0:>) he will send you the money.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> When you receive my request in the mail, and it will be sent Return
> >> >>>> Receipt Requested, he will accept payment for me.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I expect payment by mail. Please send you money to pay your debt again
> >> >>>> with USPS RRR. That way you will have a record of Don receiving it
> >> >>>> should there be any question about you having sent or not sent the
> >> >>>> money.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Here is the letter I just forwarded to him electronically, and he will
> >> >>>> print out, when the amount is decided upon, and send to you, making my
> >> >>>> request.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thank you, Doan.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> March 5, 2007 10:52am
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Doan
> >> >>>> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
> >> >>>> Los Angeles, CA 90089
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Doan,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Here is the request accompanying the envelope you said you bet I would
> >> >>>> not send for the study.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Please send me the study, and your $500.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Your posted comments below for a reminder of your bet.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> ">On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
> >> >>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:10:46 -0800, Doan > wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> 0:-> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Or give me an address and I'll send you an envelope and postage.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> 0:]
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Glad to. Send me a SASE to:
> >> >>>>>>> Doan
> >> >>>>>>> 1010 W. Jefferson Blvd.
> >> >>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90089
> >> >>>>>> You forgot the postage amount.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>> For you, I'll make it special, just a $.39 stamp. With the intelligent
> >> >>>>> you have shown on this newsgroup, I'll doubt if you can understand the
> >> >>>>> study. My bet is I won't see the request from you. "
> >> >>>> You are seeing my request.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Don Fisher has kindly agreed to handle my correspondence with you.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> So then, please make the check out to Donald L. Fisher, who I trust to
> >> >>>> handle the transaction for us and cash your check for me.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Or, you can be obtuse, and make it out to Pohaku Kane, and I assure
> >> >>>> you, my bank will take it. They have before. Though that business I
> >> >>>> used it for for so many years was closed over 20 years ago.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> In any case you'll see your account reduced by the amount, in short
> >> >>>> order.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The study please, I request it.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Transparent and JellyFish enough for you, Doan?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Affectionately, 0:]
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Doan't you think that it would have been more profitable, money-wise,
> >> >>>> or credibility-wise (you get to pick now), to have simply debated the
> >> >>>> issues below and left off the smart ass bull**** that's gotten you in
> >> >>>> so much trouble before with your dodging?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Doan
> >> >>>> Have a happy Hihihi.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I also wish to inform you and any posters or readers to these
> >> >>>> newsgroups, that if I should ever use the term 'bet' as in "I bet," in
> >> >>>> the future, it's to be considered a figure of speech. 0:]
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> You might want to now place your own disclaimer before you slip again.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Here, fill in the blank_________________________.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Kane
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Hihihi!
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Doan wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Doan wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Where were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they find
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the same CORRELATIONS with non-cp alternatives?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> What was the study premise, Doan. Read the first two paragraphs. And
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> then go back to your original claim about Black children and CP with
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> this in mind:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> The studies wasn't about Black children, STUPID. However the authors
> >> >>>>>>>>>> did say:
> >> >>>>>>>>>> "One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
> >> >>>>>>>>>> recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
> >> >>>>>>>>>> groups,"
> >> >>>>>>>>> Yep, and you've ignored the rest.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> As for black children, what do you usually call African children?
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Do you always like making a fool of yourself, Kane? Hihihi!
> >> >>>>>>>>> I couldn't keep up with you doing it to yourself even if I tried, Doan.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Doan
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Why did you to take to Gregorizing, Doan? Can't argue with the full
> >> >>>>>>>>> information in front of the reader?
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> They'll see too easily what you really are?
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Try reading again, what you quoted above, Doan.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> It doesn't say there is a need for caution in making recommendations
> >> >>>>>>>>> about parenting practices.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Just about across different cultural groups.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> There are plenty of black people that do not go along with the "spanking
> >> >>>>>>>>> is good for black children," kant.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> That would be within the culture and doubtless constitutes a
> >> >>>>>>>>> recommendation.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> In fact I see a lot of claims about "the black community" and it's
> >> >>>>>>>>> universal acceptance of spanking, but being made by whites, Doan.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> I'd have to say that's a bit of cross cultural intrusion, wouldn't you?
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> When I want to know what a person of another ethnicity thinks I ask. And
> >> >>>>>>>>> I don't repeat what they say unless I read or hear them say it.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Do you know the name, Poussaint?
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2812/corporal_punishment_hidden_costs/
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical
> >> >>>>>>>>> School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long
> >> >>>>>>>>> opposed the use of corporal punishment.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> His major argument is simple: ï¿½the use of corporal punishment teaches
> >> >>>>>>>>> children that violence is the way to solve problems.ï¿½ Poussaint, who was
> >> >>>>>>>>> an adviser to the popular program ï¿½The Cosby Show,ï¿½ says corporal
> >> >>>>>>>>> punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
> >> >>>>>>>>> black community.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
> >> >>>>>>>>> and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
> >> >>>>>>>>> as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
> >> >>>>>>>>> pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
> >> >>>>>>>>> that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> ï¿½Thereï¿½s an overuse of beating kids,ï¿½ he said, breaking a major taboo
> >> >>>>>>>>> among black leadership by raising this issue. ï¿½So that you have 80
> >> >>>>>>>>> percent of black parents believing you should beat themï¿½beat the devil
> >> >>>>>>>>> out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
> >> >>>>>>>>> get.ï¿½
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
> >> >>>>>>>>> anger. According to figures from the Department of Justiceï¿½s Bureau of
> >> >>>>>>>>> Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
> >> >>>>>>>>> Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
> >> >>>>>>>>> murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
> >> >>>>>>>>> fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
> >> >>>>>>>>> five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
> >> >>>>>>>>> ten times the white rate.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
> >> >>>>>>>>> segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
> >> >>>>>>>>> supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
> >> >>>>>>>>> behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
> >> >>>>>>>>> responsibility and cultural standards.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaintï¿½s
> >> >>>>>>>>> anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesnï¿½t make sense is
> >> >>>>>>>>> that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
> >> >>>>>>>>> corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
> >> >>>>>>>>> spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
> >> >>>>>>>>> spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
> >> >>>>>>>>> African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
> >> >>>>>>>>> harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment theyï¿½re sure to
> >> >>>>>>>>> receive in the Untied States.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
> >> >>>>>>>>> prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
> >> >>>>>>>>> doesnï¿½t work. "
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Author, Corporal Punishmentï¿½s Hidden Costs
> >> >>>>>>>>> By Salim Muwakkil
> >> >>>>>>>>> In These Times, September 8, 2006
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> I've a hunch he's Black.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Assigning universal attributes to a culture is very tricky business
> >> >>>>>>>>> under any circumstances.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Even the researchers in the International study didn't go for that.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> They made plain that cultural beliefs and actual performance
> >> >>>>>>>>> varied...the point of the study.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> I suggest YOU stop speaking for the Black community, Doan, as you have
> >> >>>>>>>>> been inclined to do on this issue, making claims
> >> >>>>>>>>> you have been completely unable to support.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Or, go over to "Black Studies," and speak directly to them.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.usc.edu/dept/publications/cat2006/schools/college/amst/african_american.html
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Tell them you know their story and their beliefs better than they do.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> 0:-]
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> I'd say the following are some fair heavyweights in the Black Community,
> >> >>>>>>>>> wouldn't you? Though not everyone is going to agree with them, of course.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> PROCLAMATION signed by African American Leaders
> >> >>>>>>>>> OPPOSING SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment is defined as the intentional infliction of
> >> >>>>>>>>> physical pain for purposes of stopping or preventing misbehavior, and
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment in schools is disproportionately used on
> >> >>>>>>>>> African-American children, and
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, anger and violence can get out of control with corporal
> >> >>>>>>>>> punishment causing injuries such as bleeding, bruises, and broken bones,
> >> >>>>>>>>> and
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment conveys a message to children that violence
> >> >>>>>>>>> is an acceptable method for dealing with conflict, and
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, overwhelming evidence suggests that other methods of discipline
> >> >>>>>>>>> work better like setting reasonable rules and standards, correcting
> >> >>>>>>>>> children in a respectful, non-violent and consistent manner, praise and
> >> >>>>>>>>> reward for appropriate behavior.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, all children deserve to be able to learn in a safe and
> >> >>>>>>>>> supportive learning environment free from corporal punishment.

Doan

March 7th 07, 04:26 AM

More stupid noises from a STUPID LYING Empty Kane! Hihihi!

Doan

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:51:47 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>
> ....snip....
>
> Why have you failed to respond to the section below?
>
>
>
> >> >> Any particular reason you wanted a return address envelope?
> >> >>
> >> >> Planning on sharing Don's address? Thought you'd 'expose' Kane? R R R R
> >> >> R R.
>
> ....
>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Feel free to send me an electronic copy of the Duke study, Doan.
> >> >>>>>>>>
>
> And especially, Doan, why are you dragging out your dishonorable
> behavior about this bet and not discussing the material I offered
> below.
>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Doan wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Where were the spanking rates in these countries, Kane? Did they find
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the same CORRELATIONS with non-cp alternatives?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> What was the study premise, Doan. Read the first two paragraphs. And
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> then go back to your original claim about Black children and CP with
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> this in mind:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> The studies wasn't about Black children, STUPID. However the authors
> >> >>>>>>>>>> did say:
> >> >>>>>>>>>> "One implication of our findings is the need for caution in making
> >> >>>>>>>>>> recommendations about parenting practices across different cultural
> >> >>>>>>>>>> groups,"
> >> >>>>>>>>> Yep, and you've ignored the rest.
>
> .........
>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Why did you to take to Gregorizing, Doan? Can't argue with the full
> >> >>>>>>>>> information in front of the reader?
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> They'll see too easily what you really are?
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Try reading again, what you quoted above, Doan.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> It doesn't say there is a need for caution in making recommendations
> >> >>>>>>>>> about parenting practices.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Just about across different cultural groups.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> There are plenty of black people that do not go along with the "spanking
> >> >>>>>>>>> is good for black children," kant.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> That would be within the culture and doubtless constitutes a
> >> >>>>>>>>> recommendation.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> In fact I see a lot of claims about "the black community" and it's
> >> >>>>>>>>> universal acceptance of spanking, but being made by whites, Doan.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> I'd have to say that's a bit of cross cultural intrusion, wouldn't you?
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> When I want to know what a person of another ethnicity thinks I ask. And
> >> >>>>>>>>> I don't repeat what they say unless I read or hear them say it.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Do you know the name, Poussaint?
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2812/corporal_punishment_hidden_costs/
>
> You ducked this which follows.
>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical
> >> >>>>>>>>> School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long
> >> >>>>>>>>> opposed the use of corporal punishment.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> His major argument is simple: ï¿½the use of corporal punishment teaches
> >> >>>>>>>>> children that violence is the way to solve problems.ï¿½ Poussaint, who was
> >> >>>>>>>>> an adviser to the popular program ï¿½The Cosby Show,ï¿½ says corporal
> >> >>>>>>>>> punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
> >> >>>>>>>>> black community.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
> >> >>>>>>>>> and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
> >> >>>>>>>>> as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
> >> >>>>>>>>> pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
> >> >>>>>>>>> that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> ï¿½Thereï¿½s an overuse of beating kids,ï¿½ he said, breaking a major taboo
> >> >>>>>>>>> among black leadership by raising this issue. ï¿½So that you have 80
> >> >>>>>>>>> percent of black parents believing you should beat themï¿½beat the devil
> >> >>>>>>>>> out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
> >> >>>>>>>>> get.ï¿½
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
> >> >>>>>>>>> anger. According to figures from the Department of Justiceï¿½s Bureau of
> >> >>>>>>>>> Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
> >> >>>>>>>>> Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
> >> >>>>>>>>> murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
> >> >>>>>>>>> fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
> >> >>>>>>>>> five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
> >> >>>>>>>>> ten times the white rate.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
> >> >>>>>>>>> segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
> >> >>>>>>>>> supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
> >> >>>>>>>>> behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
> >> >>>>>>>>> responsibility and cultural standards.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaintï¿½s
> >> >>>>>>>>> anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesnï¿½t make sense is
> >> >>>>>>>>> that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
> >> >>>>>>>>> corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
> >> >>>>>>>>> spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
> >> >>>>>>>>> spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
> >> >>>>>>>>> African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
> >> >>>>>>>>> harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment theyï¿½re sure to
> >> >>>>>>>>> receive in the Untied States.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
> >> >>>>>>>>> prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
> >> >>>>>>>>> doesnï¿½t work. "
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Author, Corporal Punishmentï¿½s Hidden Costs
> >> >>>>>>>>> By Salim Muwakkil
> >> >>>>>>>>> In These Times, September 8, 2006
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> I've a hunch he's Black.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Assigning universal attributes to a culture is very tricky business
> >> >>>>>>>>> under any circumstances.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Even the researchers in the International study didn't go for that.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> They made plain that cultural beliefs and actual performance
> >> >>>>>>>>> varied...the point of the study.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> I suggest YOU stop speaking for the Black community, Doan, as you have
> >> >>>>>>>>> been inclined to do on this issue, making claims
> >> >>>>>>>>> you have been completely unable to support.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Or, go over to "Black Studies," and speak directly to them.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.usc.edu/dept/publications/cat2006/schools/college/amst/african_american.html
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Tell them you know their story and their beliefs better than they do.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> 0:-]
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> I'd say the following are some fair heavyweights in the Black Community,
> >> >>>>>>>>> wouldn't you? Though not everyone is going to agree with them, of course.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> PROCLAMATION signed by African American Leaders
> >> >>>>>>>>> OPPOSING SCHOOL CORPORAL PUNISHMENT
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment is defined as the intentional infliction of
> >> >>>>>>>>> physical pain for purposes of stopping or preventing misbehavior, and
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment in schools is disproportionately used on
> >> >>>>>>>>> African-American children, and
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, anger and violence can get out of control with corporal
> >> >>>>>>>>> punishment causing injuries such as bleeding, bruises, and broken bones,
> >> >>>>>>>>> and
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, corporal punishment conveys a message to children that violence
> >> >>>>>>>>> is an acceptable method for dealing with conflict, and
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, overwhelming evidence suggests that other methods of discipline
> >> >>>>>>>>> work better like setting reasonable rules and standards, correcting
> >> >>>>>>>>> children in a respectful, non-violent and consistent manner, praise and
> >> >>>>>>>>> reward for appropriate behavior.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, all children deserve to be able to learn in a safe and
> >> >>>>>>>>> supportive learning environment free from corporal punishment.

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March 7th 07, 01:07 PM

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 20:18:18 -0800, Doan > wrote:

.... a typically inept, lying, and laughable dodge to avoid facing yet
another exposure of his unethical behavior -- that he has made a bet,
was called on that bet, and ran away -- again. ...

Tell you what. I'll send you an envelope with MY address on it. Pohaku
Kane. Please hurry up with the report you don't really want to face.

Then you can stop all the dancing and admit you were lying when you
offered to bet.

Deal?

You are showing once again, that you don't debate, and that you make a
challenge then run when confronted.

You still don't want to face that your comments about black children
and CP don't stand up to closer examination. Nor are you willing to
put your money where your mouth is, with either that community, or
following through on boisterous attacks that suggest I won't follow
through.

I've never turned down a debate with you. YOU have run.

With typical dodges such as this one below.

0:]

>On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>
>> Doan wrote:
>> > On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>> >
>> >>>> You just withdrew your bet.
>> >>>>
>> >>> All I have asked is who is this character, Don Fisher?
>> >> Why the question mark? That's not a question.
>> >>
>> > That is a questio, a question you still haven't answered!
>>
>> Liar, I told you he's my agent.
>>
>I don't know him!
>
>> YOU lied when you said you had not heard of him before.
>>
>I have not. Who is he and when have I heard of him?
>
>> >
>> >> Nor are you entitled to know the even the name of my postman.
>> >>
>> > I can ask.
>>
>> And I can refuse to answer.
>>
>Sure. Are you refusing to answer?
>
>> What is it that you are hiding?
>>
>That I know Don Fisher?
>
>> Nothing. You are asking the infamous "when did you stop beating your
>> wife," question.
>>
>I didn't ask that question, STUPID LIAR!
>
>> What are you hiding when I ask you want you intend to do with his address?
>>
>Huh? Can you speak proper English? That sentence makes no sense at all!
>
>> You RENEGED.
>>
>Reneged what?
>
>> It's that simple.
>>
>That a lie!
>
>> You are a coward.
>>
>The proven LIAR is you!
>
>> It's that simple.
>>
>> You asked a question instead of taking the bet or withdrawing your bet.
>>
>I have not withdraw my bet. You are lying!
>
>> It's over, coward.
>>
>The coward is you!
>
>> You are a liar, and you reneged.
>>
>The LIAR is you!
>
>> And I've made the request you bet you would not see.
>>
>Would not see what?
>
>> I know perfectly well it can be posted to me in electronic format by
>> you. Unless you have lied about having it.
>>
>Sure, I can scan it using your method but I might ended up with a
>corrupted PDF file. Hihihi!
>
>> You are unethical.
>>
>The one that is unethical is you.
>
>> Once again, as in the Embry study, dodging the debate by playing games
>> over the access to it.
>>
>And the liar were you when you said it is not available from the library
>noe AAA Foundation. You were even stupid enough to claimed that you
>sent a copy to Alina! Hihihi!
>
>> Give me the study. I REQUEST it.
>>
>Send me the envelopE!
>
>> Or didn't you see that?
>>
>Is it in the mail?
>
>> I'll mail you my request when you have transmitted it, if you insist on
>> having my request in hard copy.
>>
>> I notice you are doing everything you can to keep the study from me,
>> aren't you, Doan?
>>
>Sure. I am waiting for that envelope. Did you send it to MEXCIO again.
>Hihihi!
>
>> "Hihihi," right?
>>
>Hihihi!
>
>> I have posts where YOU discuss Don Fisher, liar.
>>
>Who is Don Fisher?
>
>> I also notice YOU, who claim I post under a nym, have still not answered
>> my question. What is your full real name?
>>
>Hihihi!
>
>> Hence YOU are posting under the Nym, Doan.
>>
>Hihihi! You are STUPID!
>
>EK:-)
>
>>
>>
>> 0:]
>>

0:-]

March 7th 07, 05:54 PM

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:34:25 -0800, Doan > wrote:

>
>On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>
>> Doan wrote:
>> > On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:00:05 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> It wasn't there when I looked. All I got was:
>> >>>
>> >>> Information from whois :
>> >>> Network Owner: unknown
>> >>> Registered on: unknown
>> >>> Updated on: unknown
>> >>> Expires on: unknown
>> >>> Netblock(s): unknown unknown
>> >>>
>> >>> Something is up with Senderbase. Got a number for me to call?
>> >> Sure, since I've been giving you a demonstration of the many dodges
>> >> Doan't uses, try 555.555.5555
>> >>
>> > That number doesn't work, Kane. Got another one?
>
>No number, Kane? Hihihi!

Sure was, Doan.

>
>> >
>> >> Hi hi hi, good buddy.
>> >>
>> > Hihihi!
>> >
>> >> I suspect YOUR system is at fault. Try posting from home.
>> >>
>> > My system is fine. It has to be the "proxy checker" at Senderbase.
>>
>> They use Whois. I guess you didn't notice because you keep hiding that
>> block of information, or none information in the lower left quadrant.
>
>I can query whois directly. So can you, STUPID!
>
>> >
>> >> Or go down the hall to a workstation on the network.
>> >>
>> >> Or just keep trying like I did.
>> >>
>> >> I pulled a blank once on that ip today, but it only took one more to
>> >> pull up info.
>> >>
>> >> It is a database, you know, and you know how twitchy they can be
>> >> sometimes on line. I wonder if they are on a Linux based server. R R R
>> >> R R
>> >>
>> > Hihihi! Wow. Trying to sound knowledgeable, Kane?
>>
>> Not in the least. No need to try.
>>
>So how is Alina's ip address "out of range" again?
>
>> >> What fascinates me most about your inquiry, is that every time you
>> >> claim you got nothing, you fail to copy and paste the empty fields
>> >> with their titles, but you manage to find all the other blocks, their
>> >> fields and print them.
>> >>
>> >> Now why would you play that kind of game, Doan't?
>> >>
>> >> You been "run" Doan't, and all you foot stomping isn't going to change
>> >> that. Including your claims that I lied...when what I did was a simple
>> >> mirror of you and your tactics.
>> >>
>> > Hihihi. The only one that doing the running is YOU, Empty Kane.
>>
>> No, I told you I gave you a run of your own style of posting as an
>> object lesson.
>>
>Hihihi! That is your excuse! You run because you cannot support
>your FALSE accusation against me.

Hihihi! It's about me having fun at your expense, Doan. BECAUSE YOU
ARE JUST TOO STUPID!

>
>> Take it or leave it.
>>
>Take what? You LIES!
>
>> >> You know, slide here, slide there, slide away from the actual issue?
>> >>
>> > Yup! Like you sliding from the PROOF that Alina is me?
>>
>> I never thought you were Alina, stupid. I jerked your chain for a year
>> or two.
>>
>So now you are changing your story. Hihihi!

Hihihi! It's about me having fun at your expense, Doan. BECAUSE YOU
ARE JUST TOO STUPID!

>
>> > Or like
>> > you sliding from the fact that you have not called Senderbase. You
>> > can't even give me their number, Kane!
>>
>> 650 989 6544
>
>It's not for Senderbase issue. Are you lying again, Kane?
>
>>
>> You must be dreaming again. AFdreaming.
>>
>It's my dream but I am your nightmare! Hihihi!

Hihihi! It's about me having fun at your expense, Doan. BECAUSE YOU
ARE JUST TOO STUPID!

>
>> >> Ever time you accuse me you are simply accusing yourself..for those
>> >> ARE your tactics. To make claims that are out of context, and dodge
>> >> when confronted.
>> >>
>> >> You are a liar. Face it, child.
>> >>
>> > The proven LIAR is you, Kane!
>>
>> You just reneged after betting me I wouldn't make the request.
>>
>> No, my boy, it's you, and unlike me who would mislead only to protect
>> others and their lives, YOU lied simply to score a point in debate.
>>
>Hihihi! You are just a pathalogic liar, Kane. A STUPID one too!

Hihihi! It's about me having fun at your expense, Doan [Kane
redacted]. BECAUSE YOU ARE JUST TOO STUPID!

>
>> You're kind of sick.
>
>And you are kind of insane. Hihihi!

Hihihi! It's about me having fun at your expense, Doan't [Kane
redacted]. BECAUSE YOU ARE JUST TOO STUPID!

>
>> >
>> >> It's not clever. IT'S DOAN LYING.
>> >>
>> > It's Empty Kane making noises! Hihihi!
>>
>> That prove you are a liar, and now a coward.
>>
>The proven LIAR (false accusation) and COWARD (hiding behind a nym) is
>YOU!
>
>> You reneged on your bet. Want to see the post?
>>
>What bet?

Is this one of your "Hihihi! It's about me having fun at your
expense, Kane. BECAUSE YOU ARE JUST TOO STUPID!" dodging your lie?

You know what bet, welcher.

>
>> "Who is this Don Fisher? I have never known him. How can he be trusted?
>>
>> Doan"
>>
>You haven't told me who Don Fisher is. Why is that?

I most certainly have. He is Donald L. Fisher. If you want more
information ask for it. And of course I won't give it to you. Ask Don,
as it is him you are asking about.

>> You don't need the name of the bank teller to do business here, nor the
>> name of the postman to send a letter. Don is my agent, nothing more.
>>
>Bank tellers are hired by the bank. The bank is FDIC insured. Can
>you say the same about Don Fisher? Is he bonded?

I believe he told me he was. Why haven't you asked him? Can't find his
address?

>> You ran, little boy.
>>
>You are STUPID, Empty Kane!

Hihihi! It's about me having fun at your expense, Doan't ["Kane"
redacted]. BECAUSE YOU ARE JUST TOO STUPID!

>
>EK:-)

The signature of a pathological liar, I see.

One who won't answer questions that are reasonable but will ask
ridiculous ones he knows he's not going to get an answer to.

Or don't you believe people have a right to privacy?

I notice you are afraid to post your real name, Doan...all of it.

Afraid?

What of? That you have made false accusations and you cannot safely
put your name to the source of your lies?

Cautious little unethical squirt, aren't you?

R R R R R

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And you are a liar, Doan. Proven continuously in this newsgroup from
nearly your first post to it.

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>
>>
>> >
>> >> And if you continue it with me, and do not acknowledge when I have
>> >> shown that you made a "mistake," like your claim about Straus v
>> >> Baumrind and careful concealment by omission of everything he said, I
>> >> may run another mirror on your sorry lying ass again.
>> >>
>> > Hihihi! Straus said Baumrind study is the best! That claim has
>> > been proven.
>> >
>> >> There is no shortage of such from your posting archives, Doan.
>> >>
>> > Same to you, Empty Kane.
>> >
>> >> And I keep them offline where you can't have them dropped from Usenet.
>> >>
>> > Hihihi! How do you that, Kane?
>> >
>> > EK:->
>> >
>> >> 0:-]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Doan
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:15:40 -0800, Doan > wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Kane,
>> >>>>> I tried putting your ip address into the Senderbase site and guess what?
>> >>>>> It said that you are using a "fictitous address"!!! Hihihi!
>> >>>> The word fictitious does not appear on the page. Why are you lying
>> >>>> again?
>> >>>>> Report on IP address: 66.228.25.123
>> >>>> Okay, I will, before ending this post, enter that information and
>> >>>> report it back, and unlike YOU I'll provide the link. Why have you
>> >>>> hidden the link?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And why have you pasted every section of the page, but the one that
>> >>>> DOES have the ISP source ID information, AGAIN, Doan?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Just can't resist lying?
>> >>>> The following block of data fields starts on the left upper section of
>> >>>> the page, Doan:
>> >>>>> Volume Statistics for this IP
>> >>>>> Magnitude Vol Change vs. Average
>> >>>>> Last day 0.0 -100%
>> >>>>> Last 30 days 0.0 -100%
>> >>>>> Average 0.0
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> The next block below it is as follows. Roughly left center position:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Third-party Certification
>> >>>>> Sender Score Certified? Not Certified
>> >>>>> TRUSTe Privacy Seal? Not Certified
>> >>>> The next line is from the top of the block I have referred to
>> >>>> repeatedly.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Information from whois
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Please wait...loading data...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> And suddenly you record NOTHING, not even paste the blank fields you
>> >>>> claim are there?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Where's the lower left corner block of fields, Doan? They belong right
>> >>>> here.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Didn't your mommy teach you, in between spankings, your left from your
>> >>>> right and top from bottom?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Here's what I get in the whois block...that seems to be missing from
>> >>>> your post...liar.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> (stay tuned, because not only am I going to provide you that block,
>> >>>> but unlike YOU I'm going to provide a link so people can see you lied.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This block of information below is the set of fields on the RIGHT side
>> >>>> of the page, and sometimes shows info and sometimes does not. I've
>> >>>> posted all this before, including all blocks of data fields on the
>> >>>> page, but you cut section, AGAIN, that I've noted in prior posts.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Read on.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Other information about this IP address
>> >>>>> Sender Category unknown
>> >>>>> Network Owner unknown
>> >>>>> Domain unknown
>> >>>>> Date of first message seen from this address
>> >>>>> CIDR range unknown
>> >>>>> # of domains controlled by this network owner 0
>> >>>>> Geography data
>> >>>>> Country unknown
>> >>>>> State unknown
>> >>>>> City unknown
>> >>>>> Postal code unknown
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Related links
>> >>>>> Google groups
>> >>>>> http://groups.google.com/groups?scoring=d&q=66.228.25.123+group:*abuse*
>> >>>>> SpamCop http://spamcop.net/w3m?action=checkblock&ip=66.228.25.123
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Real-time blacklists [ Click to view all ]
>> >>>>> not in any blacklists
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> No address list shown since no email was detected from 66.228.25.0/24.
>> >>>> That is all information BUT the information that matters. The lower
>> >>>> left block. Observe, liar:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.senderbase.org/search?searchString=66.228.25.123
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That's my IP for today, the same one you just used.
>> >>>> As you said earlier in the post:
>> >>>>> Report on IP address: 66.228.25.123
>> >>>> And all the page reads exactly as you have posted, except for that
>> >>>> lower left block, Doan, that was blank on running Alina's IP number.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> With MINE it says this:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Information from whois [ Click to show details ]
>> >>>> Network Owner: Gorge Networks Inc.
>> >>>> Registered on: 2006-02-16
>> >>>> Updated on: 2006-02-16
>> >>>> Expires on: unknown
>> >>>> Netblock(s): 66.228.16.0/20
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And if I "[ Click to show details ]" I get:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> OrgName: Gorge Networks Inc.
>> >>>> OrgID: GRGE
>> >>>> Address: 616 Industrial Ste. 401
>> >>>> City: Hood River
>> >>>> StateProv: OR
>> >>>> PostalCode: 97031
>> >>>> Country: US
>> >>>>
>> >>>> NetRange: 66.228.16.0 - 66.228.31.255
>> >>>> CIDR: 66.228.16.0/20
>> >>>> NetName: GNBLCK-3
>> >>>> NetHandle: NET-66-228-16-0-1
>> >>>> Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0
>> >>>> NetType: Direct Allocation
>> >>>> NameServer: SERV.GORGE.NET
>> >>>> NameServer: DNS2.GORGE.NET
>> >>>> Comment:
>> >>>> RegDate: 2006-02-16
>> >>>> Updated: 2006-02-16
>> >>>>
>> >>>> OrgTechHandle: NETAD59-ARIN
>> >>>> OrgTechName: Netadmin Team
>> >>>> OrgTechPhone: +1-541-386-8300
>> >>>> OrgTechEmail:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2007-03-04 19:10
>> >>>> # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
>> >>>> ......
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Has Doany gots hims a bokin compooter...?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Or is Doan a lying little fleck of cow ****?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Doan
>> >>>> The fact is Doan, I've found that site from time to time actually
>> >>>> failing to process and entry....that is why I run it many times on an
>> >>>> IP number to see if I can produce results. No matter how many time's I
>> >>>> ran it it would not produce anthing for Alina's IP number.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But on the first run, for myself and others we've done, bingo...full
>> >>>> disclosure.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Maybe you just got a bad run, Doan....what did you call it, "a bug?"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Or you are lying. I tend to think the latter.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Still haven't owned up to lying about Straus's by quoting out of
>> >>>> context, have you Doan?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Still lie about me using the word "concede" don't you, Doan?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Rely almost entirely on just such tricks as this....quoting and
>> >>>> leaving out the relevant information.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Are you under a doctor's care, Doan?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Have you gotten the object lesson yet, or was it too painful and now
>> >>>> you are upping the intensenty on your squirming weasel efforts to
>> >>>> escape the uncomfortable truth about yourself?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That you are a liar.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 0:-]
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Doan wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ....snip....
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Alina's
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ..snip....
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Apparently you don't really want to debate.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Let me know when you do by recognizing I'm not going to discuss this
>> >>>>>> issue with you further.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I did not care one way or the other. It was an object lesson for you.
>> >>>>>> And you got it or you wouldn't be worrying it now trying to dodge real
>> >>>>>> debate...as usual.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Kane
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >
>>