AZ Man suing for 50 Million

[Greegor]

http://www.svherald.com/articles/2007/03/11/local_news/news4.txt
Sierra Vista Herald

By Shar Porier

Photo credit: Suzanne Cronn-Herald/Review
Photo caption: James Nord reviews a document in his home office on
Sunday. Nord has file a $50 million dollar law suit against Cochise
County and the state stemming from an accusation of child molestation
of which no evidence was found and the case was closed.

Herald/Review
SIERRA VISTA - "They don't care who they screw up."

The frustration of 66-year-old paralegal James Nord over an alleged
incident of child molestation, which he claims landed his name in a
file at Child Protective Services as a "low risk" sexual predator,
continues as he tries to clear his name. It all started more than a
year ago on Feb. 28 when he got a call from CPS investigator Marilyn
Piduch at his home in Sierra Vista. She asked if she could meet with
him. He agreed, and Piduch and Marde Closson, local CPS supervisor,
came to his home and told him a complaint had been filed. They had
been told a woman and her 10-year-old son were living with him, and
that he had molested the boy. After an inspection of his home, they
found no evidence of anyone living with Nord.

"I've lived alone for 18 years, with the exception of my son and his
family when they first moved here," he said.

Wondering who could have made such an accusation, he asked for the
name of his accuser and was told the identity could not be revealed.

He filed a complaint with the Cochise County's Sheriff's Office for
false reporting and harassment against the CPS.

Deputy Cpl. John Filippelli took the complaint and called CPS in an
attempt to confirm a name given by Nord as the possible informant. The
deputy states in a report that CPS told him the caller wished to
remain anonymous but that it was definitely not the person suspected.
He then went to Nord's residence and advised him of the findings.

"Nord advised when CPS completes their investigation he will file a
petition to disclose the name of the person reporting. I advised Nord
if/when he finds out the subject's name to contact me, and I will
continue the investigation," he writes in the report.

Though Nord said Filippelli met with him the morning of March 2 and
told him CPS had closed the case, there is no such statement in the
deputy's official report. Filippelli's investigation is listed as
active/dead file pending further information from Nord on the identity
of the person who called CPS with the complaint.

Part of Nord's complaint of CPS' actions involves the continuing
investigation involving friends and family after the case had
supposedly been closed.

Piduch interviewed Nord's son, Carl, on the same day and questioned
him about the woman and her son.

Nothing further was done until May 17, when Nord requested a copy of
the complaint. On June 8, he received the CPS summary report, which
gave a different scenario. In the report, Nord was accused of
molesting the 10-year-old daughter of a woman while living with her at
her residence. The report also states he violently molested and
assaulted his sister for four years and molested his son.

Nord and his son were upset over the new allegations listed in the
summary report.

"I don't understand. First it was a boy. Now it's a girl, my sister
and my son. It's absurd," Nord said.

Carl Nord says there wasn't an incident involving him.

"Nothing ever happened to me or my aunt. I checked," he said. "There
are no people living with Dad or he with them. It's a crock.
Somebody's made up the complaint. They investigated and found no
evidence, but, yet, they continued. If the case was opened and closed
on the same day, as they said, why did they call me in March?"

Nord decided he was going to get to the bottom of it and tried to get
a judge to allow the identity of his accuser to be revealed and his
name cleared. The case went before Cochise County Superior Court Judge
James L. Conlogue.

Assistant Attorney General Roger Perry Jr. argued against releasing
the name. According to documentation on file at the courthouse
concerning the case, Perry stated, "There can be no justification for
a request that all records concerning the petitioner be expunged from
CPS files," he said, "Arizona maintains a record of the report as it
must, according to law."

Conlogue ruled against Nord's request and ordered the file sealed.

Nord suspects he was the subject of retribution of someone, but he
hasn't a clue who that may be.

His friend Betty Madrid believes she knows who filed the complaint.
Nord was helping her on a legal matter involving fraud. According to
her affidavit, Madrid called Piduch on March 1 and said she "was
positive that the report was made for vindictive reasons. I told her
that because of my accusation, I was being followed ... She asked me who
I thought would do this."

Madrid gave four names, but was interrupted by Piduch, who asked how
Madrid knew of one of the people mentioned. That made Madrid
suspicious, and she told Nord of the conversation.

In December, Nord filed a lawsuit against the county, the state and
all the agencies and people involved in December. His lawsuit claims
that Closson and Piduch "... acted with reckless disregard" and failed
to determine whether probable cause existed before taking action. He
claims violation of his civil rights to due process, loss of
reputation and infliction of emotional distress among other charges.

He is seeking $50 million in his suit.

"I suffer from headaches, nausea and nervousness. This whole thing has
distracted me from being able to my job. It interferes with my work,"
he says in the court paperwork.

"One's reputation is a significant, intensely personal possession that
one strives to protect," Nord continued. "The CPS takes everything
some mystery party says as factual and does not need any corroboration
of any sort. They closed the case without any substantiation and put
my name in their files."

He sought help from an Arizona ombudsman, Ellen Stenson, who wrote in
a letter the case was closed "as neither substantiated nor
unsubstantiated, but rather noted they were unable to locate (the
woman and her child).

"We do not have any evidence that the CPS investigation was
inappropriate or that CPS has inappropriately shared information about
you ...," Stenson said in her response.

Stenson's findings seem to bolster the stand of the Attorney General's
Office, which is handling the federal lawsuit.

The state, on behalf of all the agencies and parties listed in Nord's
suit, is represented by Assistant Attorney General Perry, who has
entered a motion to dismiss on the grounds that Nord has a "lack of
cognizable legal theory" and "the absence of sufficient facts." He
states in the motion that CPS, as an agency of the state, is immune
from private damages or injunctive relief.

As for Nord's worry of being classified as a sexual predator in a
central registry, Perry says this "is an example of an unwarranted
deduction of fact. (Nord) was investigated by the CPS; therefore, he
reasons, he has been placed on such a list ... it appears (from the
complaint) this claim was not substantiated. There was no child living
in his home to be concerned about. He is not a convicted sex-offender,
subject to registration."

Perry writes that CPS is required to maintain a record of the report,
but this record in no sense is considered a predator list. Therefore,
Nord's deduction that since he was investigated his name exists on a
CPS list is unrealistic.

He states in a court document, "... Criminal investigations - even if
CPS conducted criminal investigations - can be conducted on no more
than a hunch; they can be conducted on a whim ..."

Due to the serious nature of the information included in the CPS
summary report, the agency had the right to investigate the tip, he
argues in the court document.

Perry has tried to have that CPS summary report rejected as evidence.
In a phone conversation, Perry said Nord had not authenticated the CPS
report. Therefore, it should be disallowed, as should the affidavits
Nord gathered.

"I am asking the court to look at facts alleged in the complaint. Nord
does not state a cause of action against these people. I have moved to
strike things that are not properly brought before the court," Perry
said. "I cannot find a cause that would allow for action against these
people. I have to move to strike things that are not properly brought
before the court. Even if you were to pretend that all the facts as he
presents them are true, he still does not have a case."

Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever and County Attorney Ed Rheinheimer
did not respond to calls for comment on the lawsuit.

Liz Barker, public information officer for CPS, said she could not
comment on the pending litigation. However, she answered questions
about procedure and policy of CPS. She said when someone calls the
statewide hotline phone number, a series of questions is asked. If the
answers meet the criteria, a report is forwarded to the proper
district office, and staff proceed to investigate.

Barker confirmed that a person's name remains on file with CPS even if
allegations have not been substantiated. If the case is substantiated
and a conviction obtained, the name is added to the statewide registry
of sex offenders by the department of public safety.

One other irregularity, as Nord sees it, is a provision that provides
a monetary incentive to CPS staff to investigate cases. If six cases
of abuse or neglect are investigated per month, the employee receives
10 percent of the monthly salary.

Barker confirmed that case workers are paid "a stipend" on the number
of cases they investigate. The sum is paid whether the investigations
pan out or not.

That makes Nord wonder if such financial gains are ethical and if that
policy is part of the problem.

"Was I investigated to make more money? Who thought of this stipend?"
he asked. "All I'm trying to do is clear my name. I had a background
check run on myself and it came back clean," he added. "But CPS has my
name in a file somewhere, unsubstantiated or not."

Nord, who claims he is still distressed over the incident, waits for
the lawsuit to be heard. "Can you imagine waking up one day to find
you're being looked at as a child molester? And I'm just supposed to
take that and roll over and play dead? I don't think so."

REPORTER Shar Porier can be reached at 515-4692 or by e-mail at
.


Sierra Vista Herald | Bisbee Review | At Ease!

[0:-]]

On 12 Mar 2007 17:51:40 -0700, "Greegor" > wrote:

....something about something that is not about something that Greg was
asked about something.

While you do seem to have the right idea, Greg, posting things that
CPS is understaffed, you do seem to have passed this by without
response.

While I may not get an answer I'd like you, nonetheless.

0:>

So tell me, where did the post, in google groups, disappear to where
you expressed your thoughts thusly:

"Where are you buying your child from Michael?
Did you see Donald L. Fisher's advertising
about good used mixed race babies?
Or are you going for an import?

What's the price tag?"

Greg's thoughtful and child and family loving perspective...above.


Give us your deepest thoughts on this, morality wise, and legally
wise, oh wise parent rights advocate and advisor.

0:]

By the way, unless the laws of the state of the protagonist here
support him, he's "pucked,"

Now getting the laws changed...ah that's another story.

I applaud such efforts, even if I might disagree with the folks
involved, as I do you, but heck you go for it, girl.

0:]

PS I mean that as a compliment, since I know so many very admirable
women that post to this group, ascps. K


>http://www.svherald.com/articles/2007/03/11/local_news/news4.txt
>Sierra Vista Herald
>
>By Shar Porier
>
>Photo credit: Suzanne Cronn-Herald/Review
>Photo caption: James Nord reviews a document in his home office on
>Sunday. Nord has file a $50 million dollar law suit against Cochise
>County and the state stemming from an accusation of child molestation
>of which no evidence was found and the case was closed.
>
>Herald/Review
>SIERRA VISTA - "They don't care who they screw up."
>
>The frustration of 66-year-old paralegal James Nord over an alleged
>incident of child molestation, which he claims landed his name in a
>file at Child Protective Services as a "low risk" sexual predator,
>continues as he tries to clear his name. It all started more than a
>year ago on Feb. 28 when he got a call from CPS investigator Marilyn
>Piduch at his home in Sierra Vista. She asked if she could meet with
>him. He agreed, and Piduch and Marde Closson, local CPS supervisor,
>came to his home and told him a complaint had been filed. They had
>been told a woman and her 10-year-old son were living with him, and
>that he had molested the boy. After an inspection of his home, they
>found no evidence of anyone living with Nord.
>
>"I've lived alone for 18 years, with the exception of my son and his
>family when they first moved here," he said.
>
>Wondering who could have made such an accusation, he asked for the
>name of his accuser and was told the identity could not be revealed.
>
>He filed a complaint with the Cochise County's Sheriff's Office for
>false reporting and harassment against the CPS.
>
>Deputy Cpl. John Filippelli took the complaint and called CPS in an
>attempt to confirm a name given by Nord as the possible informant. The
>deputy states in a report that CPS told him the caller wished to
>remain anonymous but that it was definitely not the person suspected.
>He then went to Nord's residence and advised him of the findings.
>
>"Nord advised when CPS completes their investigation he will file a
>petition to disclose the name of the person reporting. I advised Nord
>if/when he finds out the subject's name to contact me, and I will
>continue the investigation," he writes in the report.
>
>Though Nord said Filippelli met with him the morning of March 2 and
>told him CPS had closed the case, there is no such statement in the
>deputy's official report. Filippelli's investigation is listed as
>active/dead file pending further information from Nord on the identity
>of the person who called CPS with the complaint.
>
>Part of Nord's complaint of CPS' actions involves the continuing
>investigation involving friends and family after the case had
>supposedly been closed.
>
>Piduch interviewed Nord's son, Carl, on the same day and questioned
>him about the woman and her son.
>
>Nothing further was done until May 17, when Nord requested a copy of
>the complaint. On June 8, he received the CPS summary report, which
>gave a different scenario. In the report, Nord was accused of
>molesting the 10-year-old daughter of a woman while living with her at
>her residence. The report also states he violently molested and
>assaulted his sister for four years and molested his son.
>
>Nord and his son were upset over the new allegations listed in the
>summary report.
>
>"I don't understand. First it was a boy. Now it's a girl, my sister
>and my son. It's absurd," Nord said.
>
>Carl Nord says there wasn't an incident involving him.
>
>"Nothing ever happened to me or my aunt. I checked," he said. "There
>are no people living with Dad or he with them. It's a crock.
>Somebody's made up the complaint. They investigated and found no
>evidence, but, yet, they continued. If the case was opened and closed
>on the same day, as they said, why did they call me in March?"
>
>Nord decided he was going to get to the bottom of it and tried to get
>a judge to allow the identity of his accuser to be revealed and his
>name cleared. The case went before Cochise County Superior Court Judge
>James L. Conlogue.
>
>Assistant Attorney General Roger Perry Jr. argued against releasing
>the name. According to documentation on file at the courthouse
>concerning the case, Perry stated, "There can be no justification for
>a request that all records concerning the petitioner be expunged from
>CPS files," he said, "Arizona maintains a record of the report as it
>must, according to law."
>
>Conlogue ruled against Nord's request and ordered the file sealed.
>
>Nord suspects he was the subject of retribution of someone, but he
>hasn't a clue who that may be.
>
>His friend Betty Madrid believes she knows who filed the complaint.
>Nord was helping her on a legal matter involving fraud. According to
>her affidavit, Madrid called Piduch on March 1 and said she "was
>positive that the report was made for vindictive reasons. I told her
>that because of my accusation, I was being followed ... She asked me who
>I thought would do this."
>
>Madrid gave four names, but was interrupted by Piduch, who asked how
>Madrid knew of one of the people mentioned. That made Madrid
>suspicious, and she told Nord of the conversation.
>
>In December, Nord filed a lawsuit against the county, the state and
>all the agencies and people involved in December. His lawsuit claims
>that Closson and Piduch "... acted with reckless disregard" and failed
>to determine whether probable cause existed before taking action. He
>claims violation of his civil rights to due process, loss of
>reputation and infliction of emotional distress among other charges.
>
>He is seeking $50 million in his suit.
>
>"I suffer from headaches, nausea and nervousness. This whole thing has
>distracted me from being able to my job. It interferes with my work,"
>he says in the court paperwork.
>
>"One's reputation is a significant, intensely personal possession that
>one strives to protect," Nord continued. "The CPS takes everything
>some mystery party says as factual and does not need any corroboration
>of any sort. They closed the case without any substantiation and put
>my name in their files."
>
>He sought help from an Arizona ombudsman, Ellen Stenson, who wrote in
>a letter the case was closed "as neither substantiated nor
>unsubstantiated, but rather noted they were unable to locate (the
>woman and her child).
>
>"We do not have any evidence that the CPS investigation was
>inappropriate or that CPS has inappropriately shared information about
>you ...," Stenson said in her response.
>
>Stenson's findings seem to bolster the stand of the Attorney General's
>Office, which is handling the federal lawsuit.
>
>The state, on behalf of all the agencies and parties listed in Nord's
>suit, is represented by Assistant Attorney General Perry, who has
>entered a motion to dismiss on the grounds that Nord has a "lack of
>cognizable legal theory" and "the absence of sufficient facts." He
>states in the motion that CPS, as an agency of the state, is immune
>from private damages or injunctive relief.
>
>As for Nord's worry of being classified as a sexual predator in a
>central registry, Perry says this "is an example of an unwarranted
>deduction of fact. (Nord) was investigated by the CPS; therefore, he
>reasons, he has been placed on such a list ... it appears (from the
>complaint) this claim was not substantiated. There was no child living
>in his home to be concerned about. He is not a convicted sex-offender,
>subject to registration."
>
>Perry writes that CPS is required to maintain a record of the report,
>but this record in no sense is considered a predator list. Therefore,
>Nord's deduction that since he was investigated his name exists on a
>CPS list is unrealistic.
>
>He states in a court document, "... Criminal investigations - even if
>CPS conducted criminal investigations - can be conducted on no more
>than a hunch; they can be conducted on a whim ..."
>
>Due to the serious nature of the information included in the CPS
>summary report, the agency had the right to investigate the tip, he
>argues in the court document.
>
>Perry has tried to have that CPS summary report rejected as evidence.
>In a phone conversation, Perry said Nord had not authenticated the CPS
>report. Therefore, it should be disallowed, as should the affidavits
>Nord gathered.
>
>"I am asking the court to look at facts alleged in the complaint. Nord
>does not state a cause of action against these people. I have moved to
>strike things that are not properly brought before the court," Perry
>said. "I cannot find a cause that would allow for action against these
>people. I have to move to strike things that are not properly brought
>before the court. Even if you were to pretend that all the facts as he
>presents them are true, he still does not have a case."
>
>Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever and County Attorney Ed Rheinheimer
>did not respond to calls for comment on the lawsuit.
>
>Liz Barker, public information officer for CPS, said she could not
>comment on the pending litigation. However, she answered questions
>about procedure and policy of CPS. She said when someone calls the
>statewide hotline phone number, a series of questions is asked. If the
>answers meet the criteria, a report is forwarded to the proper
>district office, and staff proceed to investigate.
>
>Barker confirmed that a person's name remains on file with CPS even if
>allegations have not been substantiated. If the case is substantiated
>and a conviction obtained, the name is added to the statewide registry
>of sex offenders by the department of public safety.
>
>One other irregularity, as Nord sees it, is a provision that provides
>a monetary incentive to CPS staff to investigate cases. If six cases
>of abuse or neglect are investigated per month, the employee receives
>10 percent of the monthly salary.
>
>Barker confirmed that case workers are paid "a stipend" on the number
>of cases they investigate. The sum is paid whether the investigations
>pan out or not.
>
>That makes Nord wonder if such financial gains are ethical and if that
>policy is part of the problem.
>
>"Was I investigated to make more money? Who thought of this stipend?"
>he asked. "All I'm trying to do is clear my name. I had a background
>check run on myself and it came back clean," he added. "But CPS has my
>name in a file somewhere, unsubstantiated or not."
>
>Nord, who claims he is still distressed over the incident, waits for
>the lawsuit to be heard. "Can you imagine waking up one day to find
>you're being looked at as a child molester? And I'm just supposed to
>take that and roll over and play dead? I don't think so."
>
>REPORTER Shar Porier can be reached at 515-4692 or by e-mail at
.
>
>
>Sierra Vista Herald | Bisbee Review | At Ease!

[Greegor]

Kane wrote
> While I may not get an answer I'd like you, nonetheless.

I don't like you.

Kane wrote
> So tell me, where did the post, in google groups, disappear to where
> you expressed your thoughts thusly:
>
> "Where are you buying your child from Michael?
> Did you see Donald L. Fisher's advertising
> about good used mixed race babies?
> Or are you going for an import?
>
> What's the price tag?"

Kane, I already told you that I did not delete the message in
question.

I do not know why it appears to be missing.

But why can't you ask this in the thread where it belongs?

I can understand topic drift, but what you did here
is more like a malfunction in your thought process.

[Kane [Kah-nay]]

Greegor wrote:
> Kane wrote
>> While I may not get an answer I'd like you, nonetheless.
>
> I don't like you.
>
> Kane wrote
>> So tell me, where did the post, in google groups, disappear to where
>> you expressed your thoughts thusly:
>>
>> "Where are you buying your child from Michael?
>> Did you see Donald L. Fisher's advertising
>> about good used mixed race babies?
>> Or are you going for an import?
>>
>> What's the price tag?"
>
> Kane, I already told you that I did not delete the message in
> question.

Greg, I already asked you three times or more about that statement of
yours.

As for you claim about the missing "post," -- three from the same
thread, but one of yours remained...the only one that didn't make
similar claims of baby selling?

>
> I do not know why it appears to be missing.
>

I believe you.

> But why can't you ask this in the thread where it belongs?

Because you didn't answer when I did.

> I can understand topic drift, but what you did here
> is more like a malfunction in your thought process.

Nope....anything but.

And I notice you still haven't answered in this thread either.

Seems like I'm on target, you are not.

Now, as I was saying, are you standing behind the claims represented by:

>> "Where are you buying your child from Michael?
>> Did you see Donald L. Fisher's advertising
>> about good used mixed race babies?
>> Or are you going for an import?
>>
>> What's the price tag?"

And don't tell me where I can post that.

It may pop up just about anywhere, Greg.

Why it might just slime you when you 'introduce' yourself in your
inimitable way to a new poster seeking help here, by making fun of them,
or attacking them because they don't stop what they are doing and join
you in your 6 year long winning battle with Iowa CPS.

And on this one I'm far less apt to tire than on the lethal force
question, Greg. I have a real soft spot for people that care for abused
and neglected children and help them through recovery.

Often they were g'maw's and g'paw's, like the one's you know.

So, let's see your explanation and your "Truth," as 'truth as an
absolute defense.'

Say, a sales receipt?

And while I'm thinking of it, what would a "bad" "used mixed race baby"
be, as opposed to a "good" one?

I know about good babies (they all are), but 'bad' ones? And "used?" You
mean like a "used car" possibly?

Or someone picks up at Goodwill, or on sale at a Best Buy or Walmart?

0:]

[Greegor]

Kane quoted Greg as saying
> So tell me, where did the post, in google groups, disappear to where
> you expressed your thoughts thusly:
>
> "Where are you buying your child from Michael?
> Did you see Donald L. Fisher's advertising
> about good used mixed race babies?
> Or are you going for an import?
>
> What's the price tag?"

I did not delete the post in question.

Why can't you address this in the thread it belongs in?

The story about making the agency shorter on funds
is what this thread should be about.

Are your "thinking errors" getting the best of you again?

[0:-]]

On 12 Mar 2007 22:43:50 -0700, "Greegor" > wrote:

>Kane quoted Greg as saying
>> So tell me, where did the post, in google groups, disappear to where
>> you expressed your thoughts thusly:
>>
>> "Where are you buying your child from Michael?
>> Did you see Donald L. Fisher's advertising
>> about good used mixed race babies?
>> Or are you going for an import?
>>
>> What's the price tag?"
>
>I did not delete the post in question.

"The post?"

Funny, now that I mentioned it earlier, they are now back. Boy, that
Google, eh?

>
>Why can't you address this in the thread it belongs in?
>
There is not thread it belongs in.

That's what happens when YOU post something off topic...like asking
such offensive questions. The subject was a spammer that you responded
to, thus encouraging spamming. YOU took off with the "baby market"
thing, Greg. Not I.

Reap, sow.

>The story about making the agency shorter on funds
>is what this thread should be about.

There is no thread where you can hide after making such an accusation.
Ever.

In fact, I'm considering making you extremely popular and a sought
after public speaker...a bigger career than you already have.

>Are your "thinking errors" getting the best of you again?

I'm making sure your's don't.

I rarely have thinking errors, and when I make them I do something
about them, not build a bigger pile of them in defense of the one I
made.

As you do.

"How different is his baby marketing from yours, Donald L. Fisher? "
"Where are you buying your child from Michael?"
"What's the price tag?"

No, those aren't "thinking errors," are they now....R R R R R R RR

Kane

[Greegor]

Kane quoted Greg as saying
> So tell me, where did the post, in google groups, disappear to where
> you expressed your thoughts thusly:
>
> "Where are you buying your child from Michael?
> Did you see Donald L. Fisher's advertising
> about good used mixed race babies?
> Or are you going for an import?
>
> What's the price tag?"

I did not delete the post in question.

Why can't you address this in the thread it belongs in?

The story about making the agency shorter on funds
is what this thread should be about.

Are your "thinking errors" getting the best of you again?

[Dan Sullivan]

On Mar 12, 7:51 pm, "Greegor" > wrote:
> http://www.svherald.com/articles/2007/03/11/local_news/news4.txt
> Sierra Vista Herald
>
> By Shar Porier
>
> Photo credit: Suzanne Cronn-Herald/Review
> Photo caption: James Nord reviews a document in his home office on
> Sunday. Nord has file a $50 million dollar law suit against Cochise
> County and the state stemming from an accusation of child molestation
> of which no evidence was found and the case was closed.
>
> Herald/Review
> SIERRA VISTA - "They don't care who they screw up."
>
> The frustration of 66-year-old paralegal James Nord over an alleged
> incident of child molestation, which he claims landed his name in a
> file at Child Protective Services as a "low risk" sexual predator,
> continues as he tries to clear his name. It all started more than a
> year ago on Feb. 28 when he got a call from CPS investigator Marilyn
> Piduch at his home in Sierra Vista. She asked if she could meet with
> him. He agreed, and Piduch and Marde Closson, local CPS supervisor,
> came to his home and told him a complaint had been filed. They had
> been told a woman and her 10-year-old son were living with him, and
> that he had molested the boy. After an inspection of his home, they
> found no evidence of anyone living with Nord.
>
> "I've lived alone for 18 years, with the exception of my son and his
> family when they first moved here," he said.
>
> Wondering who could have made such an accusation, he asked for the
> name of his accuser and was told the identity could not be revealed.
>
> He filed a complaint with the Cochise County's Sheriff's Office for
> false reporting and harassment against the CPS.

If making a false report is illegal, James Nord should have requested
the DA arrest the reporter and the DA could then either proceed by
asking CPS for the name of the reporter or decline to prosecute.

In more than a decade that I'm familiar with no one in NY has ever
been charged with making a false report to CPS... and I'm sure they've
received a few.

[Greegor]

On Mar 13, 7:37 am, "Dan Sullivan" > wrote:
> On Mar 12, 7:51 pm, "Greegor" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.svherald.com/articles/2007/03/11/local_news/news4.txt
> > Sierra Vista Herald
>
> > By Shar Porier
>
> > Photo credit: Suzanne Cronn-Herald/Review
> > Photo caption: James Nord reviews a document in his home office on
> > Sunday. Nord has file a $50 million dollar law suit against Cochise
> > County and the state stemming from an accusation of child molestation
> > of which no evidence was found and the case was closed.
>
> > Herald/Review
> > SIERRA VISTA - "They don't care who they screw up."
>
> > The frustration of 66-year-old paralegal James Nord over an alleged
> > incident of child molestation, which he claims landed his name in a
> > file at Child Protective Services as a "low risk" sexual predator,
> > continues as he tries to clear his name. It all started more than a
> > year ago on Feb. 28 when he got a call from CPS investigator Marilyn
> > Piduch at his home in Sierra Vista. She asked if she could meet with
> > him. He agreed, and Piduch and Marde Closson, local CPS supervisor,
> > came to his home and told him a complaint had been filed. They had
> > been told a woman and her 10-year-old son were living with him, and
> > that he had molested the boy. After an inspection of his home, they
> > found no evidence of anyone living with Nord.
>
> > "I've lived alone for 18 years, with the exception of my son and his
> > family when they first moved here," he said.
>
> > Wondering who could have made such an accusation, he asked for the
> > name of his accuser and was told the identity could not be revealed.
>
> > He filed a complaint with the Cochise County's Sheriff's Office for
> > false reporting and harassment against the CPS.
>
> If making a false report is illegal, James Nord should have requested
> the DA arrest the reporter and the DA could then either proceed by
> asking CPS for the name of the reporter or decline to prosecute.
>
> In more than a decade that I'm familiar with no one in NY has ever
> been charged with making a false report to CPS... and I'm sure they've
> received a few.

Yeah, ask the FOX to guard the hen house!

The state doesn't want to prosecute false accusers or
Perjors because the whole CPS agency would go to prison.

[0:->]

On Mar 14, 12:42 pm, "Greegor" > wrote:
> On Mar 13, 7:37 am, "Dan Sullivan" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 12, 7:51 pm, "Greegor" > wrote:
>
> > >http://www.svherald.com/articles/2007/03/11/local_news/news4.txt
> > > Sierra Vista Herald
>
> > > By Shar Porier
>
> > > Photo credit: Suzanne Cronn-Herald/Review
> > > Photo caption: James Nord reviews a document in his home office on
> > > Sunday. Nord has file a $50 million dollar law suit against Cochise
> > > County and the state stemming from an accusation of child molestation
> > > of which no evidence was found and the case was closed.
>
> > > Herald/Review
> > > SIERRA VISTA - "They don't care who they screw up."
>
> > > The frustration of 66-year-old paralegal James Nord over an alleged
> > > incident of child molestation, which he claims landed his name in a
> > > file at Child Protective Services as a "low risk" sexual predator,
> > > continues as he tries to clear his name. It all started more than a
> > > year ago on Feb. 28 when he got a call from CPS investigator Marilyn
> > > Piduch at his home in Sierra Vista. She asked if she could meet with
> > > him. He agreed, and Piduch and Marde Closson, local CPS supervisor,
> > > came to his home and told him a complaint had been filed. They had
> > > been told a woman and her 10-year-old son were living with him, and
> > > that he had molested the boy. After an inspection of his home, they
> > > found no evidence of anyone living with Nord.
>
> > > "I've lived alone for 18 years, with the exception of my son and his
> > > family when they first moved here," he said.
>
> > > Wondering who could have made such an accusation, he asked for the
> > > name of his accuser and was told the identity could not be revealed.
>
> > > He filed a complaint with the Cochise County's Sheriff's Office for
> > > false reporting and harassment against the CPS.
>
> > If making a false report is illegal, James Nord should have requested
> > the DA arrest the reporter and the DA could then either proceed by
> > asking CPS for the name of the reporter or decline to prosecute.
>
> > In more than a decade that I'm familiar with no one in NY has ever
> > been charged with making a false report to CPS... and I'm sure they've
> > received a few.
>
> Yeah, ask the FOX to guard the hen house!
>
> The state doesn't want to prosecute false accusers or
> Perjors because the whole CPS agency would go to prison.

Hyperbole as lying is duly noted.

Or is that dully?

So, Greg, whatchagoinadoabowdit?

Let us know too when you sign that complaint to have Kevin Concannon
charged, along with Don Fisher, will selling "good used mixed race
babies."

Or were you lying?

0:]

[Greegor]

On Mar 14, 9:08 pm, "0:->" > wrote:
> On Mar 14, 12:42 pm, "Greegor" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 13, 7:37 am, "Dan Sullivan" > wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 12, 7:51 pm, "Greegor" > wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.svherald.com/articles/2007/03/11/local_news/news4.txt
> > > > Sierra Vista Herald
>
> > > > By Shar Porier
>
> > > > Photo credit: Suzanne Cronn-Herald/Review
> > > > Photo caption: James Nord reviews a document in his home office on
> > > > Sunday. Nord has file a $50 million dollar law suit against Cochise
> > > > County and the state stemming from an accusation of child molestation
> > > > of which no evidence was found and the case was closed.
>
> > > > Herald/Review
> > > > SIERRA VISTA - "They don't care who they screw up."
>
> > > > The frustration of 66-year-old paralegal James Nord over an alleged
> > > > incident of child molestation, which he claims landed his name in a
> > > > file at Child Protective Services as a "low risk" sexual predator,
> > > > continues as he tries to clear his name. It all started more than a
> > > > year ago on Feb. 28 when he got a call from CPS investigator Marilyn
> > > > Piduch at his home in Sierra Vista. She asked if she could meet with
> > > > him. He agreed, and Piduch and Marde Closson, local CPS supervisor,
> > > > came to his home and told him a complaint had been filed. They had
> > > > been told a woman and her 10-year-old son were living with him, and
> > > > that he had molested the boy. After an inspection of his home, they
> > > > found no evidence of anyone living with Nord.
>
> > > > "I've lived alone for 18 years, with the exception of my son and his
> > > > family when they first moved here," he said.
>
> > > > Wondering who could have made such an accusation, he asked for the
> > > > name of his accuser and was told the identity could not be revealed.
>
> > > > He filed a complaint with the Cochise County's Sheriff's Office for
> > > > false reporting and harassment against the CPS.
>
> > > If making a false report is illegal, James Nord should have requested
> > > the DA arrest the reporter and the DA could then either proceed by
> > > asking CPS for the name of the reporter or decline to prosecute.
>
> > > In more than a decade that I'm familiar with no one in NY has ever
> > > been charged with making a false report to CPS... and I'm sure they've
> > > received a few.
>
> > Yeah, ask the FOX to guard the hen house!
>
> > The state doesn't want to prosecute false accusers or
> > Perjors because the whole CPS agency would go to prison.
>
> Hyperbole as lying is duly noted.
>
> Or is that dully?
>
> So, Greg, whatchagoinadoabowdit?
>
> Let us know too when you sign that complaint to have Kevin Concannon
> charged, along with Don Fisher, will selling "good used mixed race
> babies."

I haven't accused Kevin W. Concannon of that.

Were you working for him when you did it?

[Greegor]

Kane wrote
> Let us know too when you sign that complaint to have Kevin Concannon
> charged, along with Don Fisher, will selling "good used mixed race
> babies."

I haven't accused Kevin W. Concannon of that.
Were you working under him when you posted your ads?

[0:-]]

On 17 Mar 2007 01:22:49 -0700, "Greegor" > wrote:

>On Mar 14, 9:08 pm, "0:->" > wrote:
>> On Mar 14, 12:42 pm, "Greegor" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 13, 7:37 am, "Dan Sullivan" > wrote:
>>
>> > > On Mar 12, 7:51 pm, "Greegor" > wrote:
>>
>> > > >http://www.svherald.com/articles/2007/03/11/local_news/news4.txt
>> > > > Sierra Vista Herald
>>
>> > > > By Shar Porier
>>
>> > > > Photo credit: Suzanne Cronn-Herald/Review
>> > > > Photo caption: James Nord reviews a document in his home office on
>> > > > Sunday. Nord has file a $50 million dollar law suit against Cochise
>> > > > County and the state stemming from an accusation of child molestation
>> > > > of which no evidence was found and the case was closed.
>>
>> > > > Herald/Review
>> > > > SIERRA VISTA - "They don't care who they screw up."
>>
>> > > > The frustration of 66-year-old paralegal James Nord over an alleged
>> > > > incident of child molestation, which he claims landed his name in a
>> > > > file at Child Protective Services as a "low risk" sexual predator,
>> > > > continues as he tries to clear his name. It all started more than a
>> > > > year ago on Feb. 28 when he got a call from CPS investigator Marilyn
>> > > > Piduch at his home in Sierra Vista. She asked if she could meet with
>> > > > him. He agreed, and Piduch and Marde Closson, local CPS supervisor,
>> > > > came to his home and told him a complaint had been filed. They had
>> > > > been told a woman and her 10-year-old son were living with him, and
>> > > > that he had molested the boy. After an inspection of his home, they
>> > > > found no evidence of anyone living with Nord.
>>
>> > > > "I've lived alone for 18 years, with the exception of my son and his
>> > > > family when they first moved here," he said.
>>
>> > > > Wondering who could have made such an accusation, he asked for the
>> > > > name of his accuser and was told the identity could not be revealed.
>>
>> > > > He filed a complaint with the Cochise County's Sheriff's Office for
>> > > > false reporting and harassment against the CPS.
>>
>> > > If making a false report is illegal, James Nord should have requested
>> > > the DA arrest the reporter and the DA could then either proceed by
>> > > asking CPS for the name of the reporter or decline to prosecute.
>>
>> > > In more than a decade that I'm familiar with no one in NY has ever
>> > > been charged with making a false report to CPS... and I'm sure they've
>> > > received a few.
>>
>> > Yeah, ask the FOX to guard the hen house!
>>
>> > The state doesn't want to prosecute false accusers or
>> > Perjors because the whole CPS agency would go to prison.
>>
>> Hyperbole as lying is duly noted.
>>
>> Or is that dully?
>>
>> So, Greg, whatchagoinadoabowdit?
>>
>> Let us know too when you sign that complaint to have Kevin Concannon
>> charged, along with Don Fisher, will selling "good used mixed race
>> babies."
>
>I haven't accused Kevin W. Concannon of that.

Please show where I said that above.

My comment, Greg, was based on your post where you responded to
another

"
> > Hey Don, any perverts answer your Usenet posts - kids for sale to out of
> > state perverts and butt****ers make great parents. Think anybody noticed??


Greg wrote:
Was Kevin W. Concannon there in Oregon when those two did this?
Do you have any more information on Concannon's time in Oregon?

Concannon went from Oregon to Maine (Logan Marr, etc.)
but now we're stuck with this moron here in Iowa.
>
>Were you working for him when you did it?
>
Ask Don. And note you are accepting the claim of the poster when you
say, "did it?"

Did what, Greg?

Are you afraid to actually come out and say you have proof that Donald
L. Fisher sold babies or recruited for pedophiles to adopt children?

Nothing but innuendo, coward?

0:]

[Greegor]

On Mar 17, 8:24 pm, "0:-]" > wrote:
> On 17 Mar 2007 01:22:49 -0700, "Greegor" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Mar 14, 9:08 pm, "0:->" > wrote:
> >> On Mar 14, 12:42 pm, "Greegor" > wrote:
>
> >> > On Mar 13, 7:37 am, "Dan Sullivan" > wrote:
>
> >> > > On Mar 12, 7:51 pm, "Greegor" > wrote:
>
> >> > > >http://www.svherald.com/articles/2007/03/11/local_news/news4.txt
> >> > > > Sierra Vista Herald
>
> >> > > > By Shar Porier
>
> >> > > > Photo credit: Suzanne Cronn-Herald/Review
> >> > > > Photo caption: James Nord reviews a document in his home office on
> >> > > > Sunday. Nord has file a $50 million dollar law suit against Cochise
> >> > > > County and the state stemming from an accusation of child molestation
> >> > > > of which no evidence was found and the case was closed.
>
> >> > > > Herald/Review
> >> > > > SIERRA VISTA - "They don't care who they screw up."
>
> >> > > > The frustration of 66-year-old paralegal James Nord over an alleged
> >> > > > incident of child molestation, which he claims landed his name in a
> >> > > > file at Child Protective Services as a "low risk" sexual predator,
> >> > > > continues as he tries to clear his name. It all started more than a
> >> > > > year ago on Feb. 28 when he got a call from CPS investigator Marilyn
> >> > > > Piduch at his home in Sierra Vista. She asked if she could meet with
> >> > > > him. He agreed, and Piduch and Marde Closson, local CPS supervisor,
> >> > > > came to his home and told him a complaint had been filed. They had
> >> > > > been told a woman and her 10-year-old son were living with him, and
> >> > > > that he had molested the boy. After an inspection of his home, they
> >> > > > found no evidence of anyone living with Nord.
>
> >> > > > "I've lived alone for 18 years, with the exception of my son and his
> >> > > > family when they first moved here," he said.
>
> >> > > > Wondering who could have made such an accusation, he asked for the
> >> > > > name of his accuser and was told the identity could not be revealed.
>
> >> > > > He filed a complaint with the Cochise County's Sheriff's Office for
> >> > > > false reporting and harassment against the CPS.
>
> >> > > If making a false report is illegal, James Nord should have requested
> >> > > the DA arrest the reporter and the DA could then either proceed by
> >> > > asking CPS for the name of the reporter or decline to prosecute.
>
> >> > > In more than a decade that I'm familiar with no one in NY has ever
> >> > > been charged with making a false report to CPS... and I'm sure they've
> >> > > received a few.
>
> >> > Yeah, ask the FOX to guard the hen house!
>
> >> > The state doesn't want to prosecute false accusers or
> >> > Perjors because the whole CPS agency would go to prison.
>
> >> Hyperbole as lying is duly noted.
>
> >> Or is that dully?
>
> >> So, Greg, whatchagoinadoabowdit?
>
> >> Let us know too when you sign that complaint to have Kevin Concannon
> >> charged, along with Don Fisher, will selling "good used mixed race
> >> babies."
>
> >I haven't accused Kevin W. Concannon of that.
>
> Please show where I said that above.
>
> My comment, Greg, was based on your post where you responded to
> another
>
> "
>
> > > Hey Don, any perverts answer your Usenet posts - kids for sale to out of
> > > state perverts and butt****ers make great parents. Think anybody noticed??
> Greg wrote:
>
> Was Kevin W. Concannon there in Oregon when those two did this?
> Do you have any more information on Concannon's time in Oregon?
>
> Concannon went from Oregon to Maine (Logan Marr, etc.)
> but now we're stuck with this moron here in Iowa.
>
> >Were you working for him when you did it?
>
> Ask Don. And note you are accepting the claim of the poster when you
> say, "did it?"
>
> Did what, Greg?
>
> Are you afraid to actually come out and say you have proof that Donald
> L. Fisher sold babies or recruited for pedophiles to adopt children?

I never said those things.

Are YOU asserting them?

> Nothing but innuendo, coward?

I'm not anonymous and you supposedly are.

[0:-]]

On 18 Mar 2007 08:35:46 -0700, "Greegor" > wrote:

>On Mar 17, 8:24 pm, "0:-]" > wrote:
>> On 17 Mar 2007 01:22:49 -0700, "Greegor" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Mar 14, 9:08 pm, "0:->" > wrote:
>> >> On Mar 14, 12:42 pm, "Greegor" > wrote:
>>
>> >> > On Mar 13, 7:37 am, "Dan Sullivan" > wrote:
>>
>> >> > > On Mar 12, 7:51 pm, "Greegor" > wrote:
>>
>> >> > > >http://www.svherald.com/articles/2007/03/11/local_news/news4.txt
>> >> > > > Sierra Vista Herald
>>
>> >> > > > By Shar Porier
>>
>> >> > > > Photo credit: Suzanne Cronn-Herald/Review
>> >> > > > Photo caption: James Nord reviews a document in his home office on
>> >> > > > Sunday. Nord has file a $50 million dollar law suit against Cochise
>> >> > > > County and the state stemming from an accusation of child molestation
>> >> > > > of which no evidence was found and the case was closed.
>>
>> >> > > > Herald/Review
>> >> > > > SIERRA VISTA - "They don't care who they screw up."
>>
>> >> > > > The frustration of 66-year-old paralegal James Nord over an alleged
>> >> > > > incident of child molestation, which he claims landed his name in a
>> >> > > > file at Child Protective Services as a "low risk" sexual predator,
>> >> > > > continues as he tries to clear his name. It all started more than a
>> >> > > > year ago on Feb. 28 when he got a call from CPS investigator Marilyn
>> >> > > > Piduch at his home in Sierra Vista. She asked if she could meet with
>> >> > > > him. He agreed, and Piduch and Marde Closson, local CPS supervisor,
>> >> > > > came to his home and told him a complaint had been filed. They had
>> >> > > > been told a woman and her 10-year-old son were living with him, and
>> >> > > > that he had molested the boy. After an inspection of his home, they
>> >> > > > found no evidence of anyone living with Nord.
>>
>> >> > > > "I've lived alone for 18 years, with the exception of my son and his
>> >> > > > family when they first moved here," he said.
>>
>> >> > > > Wondering who could have made such an accusation, he asked for the
>> >> > > > name of his accuser and was told the identity could not be revealed.
>>
>> >> > > > He filed a complaint with the Cochise County's Sheriff's Office for
>> >> > > > false reporting and harassment against the CPS.
>>
>> >> > > If making a false report is illegal, James Nord should have requested
>> >> > > the DA arrest the reporter and the DA could then either proceed by
>> >> > > asking CPS for the name of the reporter or decline to prosecute.
>>
>> >> > > In more than a decade that I'm familiar with no one in NY has ever
>> >> > > been charged with making a false report to CPS... and I'm sure they've
>> >> > > received a few.
>>
>> >> > Yeah, ask the FOX to guard the hen house!
>>
>> >> > The state doesn't want to prosecute false accusers or
>> >> > Perjors because the whole CPS agency would go to prison.
>>
>> >> Hyperbole as lying is duly noted.
>>
>> >> Or is that dully?
>>
>> >> So, Greg, whatchagoinadoabowdit?
>>
>> >> Let us know too when you sign that complaint to have Kevin Concannon
>> >> charged, along with Don Fisher, will selling "good used mixed race
>> >> babies."
>>
>> >I haven't accused Kevin W. Concannon of that.
>>
>> Please show where I said that above.
>>
>> My comment, Greg, was based on your post where you responded to
>> another
>>
>> "
>>
>> > > Hey Don, any perverts answer your Usenet posts - kids for sale to out of
>> > > state perverts and butt****ers make great parents. Think anybody noticed??
>> Greg wrote:
>>
>> Was Kevin W. Concannon there in Oregon when those two did this?
>> Do you have any more information on Concannon's time in Oregon?
>>
>> Concannon went from Oregon to Maine (Logan Marr, etc.)
>> but now we're stuck with this moron here in Iowa.
>>
>> >Were you working for him when you did it?
>>
>> Ask Don. And note you are accepting the claim of the poster when you
>> say, "did it?"
>>
>> Did what, Greg?
>>
>> Are you afraid to actually come out and say you have proof that Donald
>> L. Fisher sold babies or recruited for pedophiles to adopt children?
>
>I never said those things.

Did I say you did?

>
>Are YOU asserting them?

The question is, stupid cowardly insinuating idiot, ARE YOU?
>
>> Nothing but innuendo, coward?
>
>I'm not anonymous and you supposedly are.

I didn't ask "Nothing but anonymous, coward?"

I asked, "Nothing but innuendo, coward?"

You going all brave on us now and stop being such a coward and come
out with you accusation Don sold or sells children, Greg?

Tell us, what do YOU think a website trying to find placements for
children is for....making money?

Show us how, stupid puckering idiot.

Your stupid puckering idiot buttbuddy just tried to make out that
states buy live insurance policies on foster children.

Anyone that would take a moment to look at the references on the claim
would find that the "insurance" had to do with insurance rules
governing federal employees, and postal workers, who had foster
children ... now get this, AND WOULD DISQUALIFY TO BE ON THE FAMILIES
INSURANCE PLAN IF THE STATE PLACED AND WAS RESPOSIBLE FOR AND PAID FOR
THE FOSTER PLACEMENT.

I mean when you asshole lie you really do it up, don't you.

Every heard of Karma, Greg?

For you assholes it's going to be THIS puckering lifetime.

My condolences, 0;]

[Kay Toran]

0:-] wrote:
> On 17 Mar 2007 01:22:49 -0700, "Greegor" > wrote:
>
>> On Mar 14, 9:08 pm, "0:->" > wrote:
>>> On Mar 14, 12:42 pm, "Greegor" > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mar 13, 7:37 am, "Dan Sullivan" > wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 12, 7:51 pm, "Greegor" > wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.svherald.com/articles/2007/03/11/local_news/news4.txt
>>>>>> Sierra Vista Herald
>>>>>> By Shar Porier
>>>>>> Photo credit: Suzanne Cronn-Herald/Review
>>>>>> Photo caption: James Nord reviews a document in his home office on
>>>>>> Sunday. Nord has file a $50 million dollar law suit against Cochise
>>>>>> County and the state stemming from an accusation of child molestation
>>>>>> of which no evidence was found and the case was closed.
>>>>>> Herald/Review
>>>>>> SIERRA VISTA - "They don't care who they screw up."
>>>>>> The frustration of 66-year-old paralegal James Nord over an alleged
>>>>>> incident of child molestation, which he claims landed his name in a
>>>>>> file at Child Protective Services as a "low risk" sexual predator,
>>>>>> continues as he tries to clear his name. It all started more than a
>>>>>> year ago on Feb. 28 when he got a call from CPS investigator Marilyn
>>>>>> Piduch at his home in Sierra Vista. She asked if she could meet with
>>>>>> him. He agreed, and Piduch and Marde Closson, local CPS supervisor,
>>>>>> came to his home and told him a complaint had been filed. They had
>>>>>> been told a woman and her 10-year-old son were living with him, and
>>>>>> that he had molested the boy. After an inspection of his home, they
>>>>>> found no evidence of anyone living with Nord.
>>>>>> "I've lived alone for 18 years, with the exception of my son and his
>>>>>> family when they first moved here," he said.
>>>>>> Wondering who could have made such an accusation, he asked for the
>>>>>> name of his accuser and was told the identity could not be revealed.
>>>>>> He filed a complaint with the Cochise County's Sheriff's Office for
>>>>>> false reporting and harassment against the CPS.
>>>>> If making a false report is illegal, James Nord should have requested
>>>>> the DA arrest the reporter and the DA could then either proceed by
>>>>> asking CPS for the name of the reporter or decline to prosecute.
>>>>> In more than a decade that I'm familiar with no one in NY has ever
>>>>> been charged with making a false report to CPS... and I'm sure they've
>>>>> received a few.
>>>> Yeah, ask the FOX to guard the hen house!
>>>> The state doesn't want to prosecute false accusers or
>>>> Perjors because the whole CPS agency would go to prison.
>>> Hyperbole as lying is duly noted.
>>>
>>> Or is that dully?
>>>
>>> So, Greg, whatchagoinadoabowdit?
>>>
>>> Let us know too when you sign that complaint to have Kevin Concannon
>>> charged, along with Don Fisher, will selling "good used mixed race
>>> babies."
>> I haven't accused Kevin W. Concannon of that.
>
> Please show where I said that above.
>
> My comment, Greg, was based on your post where you responded to
> another
>
> "
>>> Hey Don, any perverts answer your Usenet posts - kids for sale to out of
>>> state perverts and butt****ers make great parents. Think anybody noticed??
>
>
> Greg wrote:
> Was Kevin W. Concannon there in Oregon when those two did this?
> Do you have any more information on Concannon's time in Oregon?
>
> Concannon went from Oregon to Maine (Logan Marr, etc.)
> but now we're stuck with this moron here in Iowa.
>> Were you working for him when you did it?
>>
> Ask Don. And note you are accepting the claim of the poster when you
> say, "did it?"
>
> Did what, Greg?
>
> Are you afraid to actually come out and say you have proof that Donald
> L. Fisher sold babies or recruited for pedophiles to adopt children?
>
> Nothing but innuendo, coward?
>
> 0:]
>
>
>

His Usenet posts point to as much - do you have some evidence that he
wasn't advertising for out of state perverts to come to Oregon for kiddies??

Why does he go out of his way to inform Usenet perverts that Oregon does
'out-of-state' adoptions - just fill out the website form -- right
alongside his posts praising butt****ers as 'parents'.

Kinda makes one wonder what ole Don had in mind - especially since his
history and family seem steeped in incest, perversion and homosexuality.

Go figure.

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[Greegor]

Kane wrote
> Tell us, what do YOU think a website trying to find placements for
> children is for....making money?

Did you get PAID?

[Greegor]

On Mar 18, 12:37 pm, "0:-]" > wrote:
> On 18 Mar 2007 10:54:33 -0700, "Greegor" > wrote:
>
> >Kane wrote
> >> Tell us, what do YOU think a website trying to find placements for
> >> children is for....making money?
>
> >Did you get PAID?
>
> Don't you think people that work should get paid?

That's what an INDUSTRY is all about!

> Are you accusing me of selling children, or are you addressing someone
> else? Don Fisher, perhaps? Ramona Foley? Kay Toran? Kevin Concannon?

Got a guilty concience?

> You seem to have dodged the actual question again, but the simple
> expedient of aborting them, and responding to the far lesser leading
> introductory sentence to the post. How quaint.
>
> I asked you to justify this "market" in children NOT being a losing,
> rather than a money making proposition you appear to claim it is?
> Can't do it, can you?

Is this like saying that nobody working for NON-PROFITS
makes big money?

A LOT of folks have wised up to the fact that some
non-profits pay really BIG salaries to career employees.

Government workers might not get paid high rates
unless you consider the HUGE factor of the benefits package.

> Like all that have come before you.

Thanks for the pep talk!

> And you'll ignore the abused children.

Whereas you imagine EVERY child to be abused, you nutcase!

> Like always.
> It's about Greg the "crusader," against government
> corruption, now isn't it Greg?

You flatter me!

> Kane

[Greegor]

On Mar 19, 12:18 am, "0:-]" > wrote:
> On 18 Mar 2007 22:19:31 -0700, "Greegor" > wrote:
>
> >On Mar 18, 12:37 pm, "0:-]" > wrote:
> >> On 18 Mar 2007 10:54:33 -0700, "Greegor" > wrote:
>
> >> >Kane wrote
> >> >> Tell us, what do YOU think a website trying to find placements for
> >> >> children is for....making money?
>
> >> >Did you get PAID?
>
> >> Don't you think people that work should get paid?
>
> >That's what an INDUSTRY is all about!
>
> Then by damn it's decreed by Greg, that if you are in an industry and
> are paid there is something very guilty about you. R R R R R R

CERTAINLY there are CONFLICT OF INTEREST issues!

> >> Are you accusing me of selling children, or are you addressing someone
> >> else? Don Fisher, perhaps? Ramona Foley? Kay Toran? Kevin Concannon?
>
> >Got a guilty concience?
>
> Got fear in your heart? You didn't answer the question.

Why should I be afraid MISTER GOVERNMENT MAN?

You want to put words in my mouth and I don't cooperate? Aw!...
Don't let that stop you, after all telling lies is POLICY isn't it?

> I asked Don to watch this thread. And I asked him if he was paid for
> the work on the page. Guess what?

He ran the advertizing for free, did he?

Did he give back his pension and benefits also?

> >> You seem to have dodged the actual question again, but the simple
> >> expedient of aborting them, and responding to the far lesser leading
> >> introductory sentence to the post. How quaint.
>
> >> I asked you to justify this "market" in children NOT being a losing,
> >> rather than a money making proposition you appear to claim it is?
> >> Can't do it, can you?
>
> >Is this like saying that nobody working for NON-PROFITS
> >makes big money?
>
> Nope. That's like saying YOU dodged the question based on your claim
> about it being an "industry."

Do you feel like you are WINNING something
by trying to redefine what INDUSTRY means, Kane?
You thought you could gerrymander the definition
to suit your needs didn't you? Good luck with that.

> >A LOT of folks have wised up to the fact that some
> >non-profits pay really BIG salaries to career employees.
>
> And this makes you jealous?

I am just glad that people are being less NAIVE.

People just don't buy the myth of selfless good causes
where large piles of money are involved.

Near Cedar Rapids we have had big money thefts
found (a few years ago) in Boy Scouts, last year
at the Science Station and IMAX theatre, and
recently at the Metro Area Housing Project.

Science station was looking like it might go down but I think they got
bailed out.

MAHP went down.

> >Government workers might not get paid high rates
> >unless you consider the HUGE factor of the benefits package.
>
> It's a standard practice and has been for decades, to bargain away the
> pay with the bait of benefits, then a few years down the road jerk
> those out from under the employees.

When did government sector ever take away those benefits?

It's become RARE in private sector to have any benefits.

> >> Like all that have come before you.
>
> >Thanks for the pep talk!
>
> Greg, you are just another stupid [a-h] full of himself, which
> means, full of [s].
>
> >> And you'll ignore the abused children.
>
> >Whereas you imagine EVERY child to be abused, you nutcase!
>
> I've challenged you on this claim before. Show where I have made any
> such claim.

This has been expressed by you many times as above.
Each time you ridicule the Bill Of Rights clearly this
mindset resonates as your reason.

> I have even talked about parents as being in the majority good
> parents, with only a tiny minority being abusive.

But we're all supposed to live in fear of CPS and
avoid giving them some bad vibes by telling them
to go straight to hell?
"Don't turn around, Der Commissar's in town!"

> The sad thing is that in a nation with our population that tiny
> minority amounts to BIG actual numbers of injured and murdered
> children.

But not big enough to be worth the HUGE numbers of kids
removed for trivial reasons and to flex bureaucratic muscle
when told to go to hell.

> You lied about me again.

You say that every time you don't like something.

> >> Like always.
> >> It's about Greg the "crusader," against government
> >> corruption, now isn't it Greg?
>
> >You flatter me!
>
> Your irony meter is broken.

Where can I buy a new one, DONALD?

> You are a liar and fool, Greg.
>
> Kane

[Greegor]

On Mar 17, 2:27 am, "Greegor" > wrote:
> Kane wrote
>
> > Let us know too when you sign that complaint to have Kevin Concannon
> > charged, along with Don Fisher, will selling "good used mixed race
> > babies."
>
> I haven't accused Kevin W. Concannon of that.
> Were you working under him when you posted your ads?

Are you DUCKING this question Kane?

[Dan Sullivan]

On Mar 26, 12:38 am, "Greegor" > wrote:
> On Mar 17, 2:27 am, "Greegor" > wrote:
>
> > Kane wrote
>
> > > Let us know too when you sign that complaint to have Kevin Concannon
> > > charged, along with Don Fisher, will selling "good used mixed race
> > > babies."
>
> > I haven't accused Kevin W. Concannon of that.
> > Were you working under him when you posted your ads?
>
> Are you DUCKING this question Kane?

When did you stop maltreating little girls, Greg?