Re: VACCINES: THE PRICE MAY BE TOO HIGH by Dr. Keith Scott-Mumby

[Jeff]

Garbage Deleted.

This is an ad for a homeopathic book. How stupid can you be?

Jeff

[Mark Probert]

"Jeff" > wrote in message
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> Garbage Deleted.
>
> This is an ad for a homeopathic book. How stupid can you be?

I do not know how stupid he is, as he broke my last stupidometer...but,
John's website has one of the most ironic pages in all of usenet.

email me for details. A guaranteed laugher.

[D. C. Sessions]

In >, john wrote:

> The Federal government VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting
> System) was established by the US Congress under the National
> Childhood Vaccine Injury Compensation Act of 1986. It receives about
> 11,000 reports of serious adverse reactions to vaccinations annually,
> which include as many as one to two hundred deaths, and several times
> that number of permanent disabilities. VAERS officials tell us that
> 15% of reported adverse events are "serious" (meaning: hospitalization
> for a serious life-threatening emergency and/or death). Yet the FDA
> estimates that as few as 1% of serious adverse reactions to vaccines
> are reported and the Center for Disease Control admits that only about
> 10% of such events are reported. In other words, over 90% of vaccine
> related deaths and disabilities go unreported (99% if the FDA is
> correct).

So -- 11,000. Multiply by seven to account for the argument that
15% are serious and you get 77,000. Multiply again by 100 to account
for only 1% being reported and you get 7.7 million per year in the
USA, or about two for every child born.

The amount of cover-up required is mind-boggling, isn't it?

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[D. C. Sessions]

In >, PF Riley wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 06:33:54 -0700, "D. C. Sessions"
> > wrote:
>
>>In >, john wrote:
>>
>>> The Federal government VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting
>>> System) was established by the US Congress under the National
>>> Childhood Vaccine Injury Compensation Act of 1986. It receives about
>>> 11,000 reports of serious adverse reactions to vaccinations annually,
>>> which include as many as one to two hundred deaths, and several times
>>> that number of permanent disabilities. VAERS officials tell us that
>>> 15% of reported adverse events are "serious" (meaning: hospitalization
>>> for a serious life-threatening emergency and/or death). Yet the FDA
>>> estimates that as few as 1% of serious adverse reactions to vaccines
>>> are reported and the Center for Disease Control admits that only about
>>> 10% of such events are reported. In other words, over 90% of vaccine
>>> related deaths and disabilities go unreported (99% if the FDA is
>>> correct).
>>
>>So -- 11,000. Multiply by seven to account for the argument that
>>15% are serious and you get 77,000. Multiply again by 100 to account
>>for only 1% being reported and you get 7.7 million per year in the
>>USA, or about two for every child born.
>>
>>The amount of cover-up required is mind-boggling, isn't it?
>
> Um. Nice try, but you would multiply 11,000 by 0.15, not 7.

Nope -- the "reports of serious adverse reactions" are 11,000
and "15% of reported adverse events" are "serious" so total
reported adverse events must be 11,000/15%

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[PF Riley]

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 06:28:52 -0700, "D. C. Sessions"
> wrote:

>In >, PF Riley wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 06:33:54 -0700, "D. C. Sessions"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>In >, john wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Federal government VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting
>>>> System) was established by the US Congress under the National
>>>> Childhood Vaccine Injury Compensation Act of 1986. It receives about
>>>> 11,000 reports of serious adverse reactions to vaccinations annually,
>>>> which include as many as one to two hundred deaths, and several times
>>>> that number of permanent disabilities. VAERS officials tell us that
>>>> 15% of reported adverse events are "serious" (meaning: hospitalization
>>>> for a serious life-threatening emergency and/or death). Yet the FDA
>>>> estimates that as few as 1% of serious adverse reactions to vaccines
>>>> are reported and the Center for Disease Control admits that only about
>>>> 10% of such events are reported. In other words, over 90% of vaccine
>>>> related deaths and disabilities go unreported (99% if the FDA is
>>>> correct).
>>>
>>>So -- 11,000. Multiply by seven to account for the argument that
>>>15% are serious and you get 77,000. Multiply again by 100 to account
>>>for only 1% being reported and you get 7.7 million per year in the
>>>USA, or about two for every child born.
>>>
>>>The amount of cover-up required is mind-boggling, isn't it?
>>
>> Um. Nice try, but you would multiply 11,000 by 0.15, not 7.
>
>Nope -- the "reports of serious adverse reactions" are 11,000
>and "15% of reported adverse events" are "serious" so total
>reported adverse events must be 11,000/15%

I see where the problem lies. VAERS receives a total of 11,000 total
reports annually, of which 15% are considered serious. The original
anti-vac liar should have said "11,000 reports of adverse reactions,"
not "11,000 reports of serious adverse reactions."

See: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5201a1.htm

Excerpts:

>During [Jan] 1991--[Dec] 2001, VAERS received 128,717 reports...

(An average of 11,702 per year.)

>A total of 14.2% of all reports described serious adverse events,
>which by regulatory definition include death, life-threatening
>illness, hospitalization or prolongation of hospitalization, or
>permanent disability.

PF

[Jeff]

"D. C. Sessions" > wrote in message
...
> In >, PF Riley wrote:
>
> > I see where the problem lies. VAERS receives a total of 11,000 total
> > reports annually, of which 15% are considered serious. The original
> > anti-vac liar should have said "11,000 reports of adverse reactions,"
> > not "11,000 reports of serious adverse reactions."
>
> Care to bet that the original wording will continue to spread
> and the correction never heard again?
>

Considering that they are calling an adverse event an adverse reaction to
the vaccine (the idea is to get all reports that *might* be related to the
vaccine, even though most events that occur after giving a vaccine may be
just coincidence), the truth does not seem important to them or even
understanding the problem properly (of course, they do understand the
problem, but that understanding is based on false impressions).

Jeff

[PF Riley]

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:27:40 -0700, "D. C. Sessions"
> wrote:

>In >, PF Riley wrote:
>
>> I see where the problem lies. VAERS receives a total of 11,000 total
>> reports annually, of which 15% are considered serious. The original
>> anti-vac liar should have said "11,000 reports of adverse reactions,"
>> not "11,000 reports of serious adverse reactions."
>
>Care to bet that the original wording will continue to spread
>and the correction never heard again?

I wouldn't bet against you on that one.

PF