Breggin revealed

[Marko Proberto]

In addition to Barkely's discection of Breggin's books, and Schaler showing
of how he lies on the witness stand...

"{Breggin's apparent concern for the welfare of our children is touching,
but it's very disconcerting.

In his book The Psychology of Freedom, Breggin wrote, ". permitting children
to have sex among themselves would go a long way toward liberating them from
oppressive parental authority. This is the main reason that parents fight so
hard to prevent sex between children. Sexual freedom would allow their
children to become truly independent of them."

Pardon me, but I must question the judgment of a psychiatrist who believes
children know what's best when it comes to sex, but challenges whether
parents, teachers and doctors know what's best when it comes to children's
mental health and prescription medication.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,32794,00.html

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It's conceivable that Breggin was just too stupid to note the connection
linking The Prozac Survivors Support Group, the CCHR, and the Church of
Scientology. Conceivable, but not very likely. It's also conceivable that
Breggin didn't know where all that money came from to pay for his "expert
witness" testimony in the "Prozac-made-me-do-it" lawsuits (he earned $45,000
in fees in just one lawsuit). Again, conceivable, but not very likely. Diane
Richardson

http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/breggen.htm

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Breggin is not certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology,
which is the recognized agency for certifying psychiatrists.
Having completed three years of psychiatric training, Breggin is entitled to
call himself a psychiatrist or a "specialist in psychiatry." Until 1996, the
Maryland Board of Quality Assurance maintained a list of "identified"
specialists. Anyone who completed an approved training program was eligible
for listing. No special examination or additional qualifications were
required.
To become licensed in the United States, every physician must pass an
examination given by the National Board of Medical Examiners or an
equivalent examination by a state licensing board. Thus being a "diplomate"
of the National Board of Medical Examiners means nothing more than the fact
that the doctor has passed a standard licensing exam. Most resumés I have
seen do not list this credential.
The American Board of Forensic Examiners is not recognized by the American
Board of Medical Specialties (ABMS), which is the recognized
standard-setting organization. ABMS offers subspecialty certification in
forensic psychiatry and forensic pathology, neither of which Breggin has
achieved.
Only one of the six journals with which Breggin has been affiliated is
significant enough to be listed in MEDLINE, the National Library of
Medicine's principal online database.
On September 5, 2002, I found that Breggin had 33 citations listed in
MEDLINE. None of these publications appears to be a research report. Eight
were letters to the editor, two were books, and most of the rest were
expressions of his opinion on various psychiatric topics.


http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/breggin.html

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[Roger Schlafly]

> In his book The Psychology of Freedom, Breggin wrote, ". permitting
children
> to have sex among themselves would go a long way toward liberating them
from
> oppressive parental authority.

Goofy opinion, but Alfred Kinsey and others have expressed such opinions.

> It's conceivable that Breggin was just too stupid to note the connection
> linking The Prozac Survivors Support Group, the CCHR, and the Church of
> Scientology. Conceivable, but not very likely.

What's the point? Breggin is not a Scientologist, and he has his own
reasons for disliking the Scientologists.

> Breggin is not certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and
Neurology,
> which is the recognized agency for certifying psychiatrists.
> Having completed three years of psychiatric training, Breggin is entitled
to
> call himself a psychiatrist or a "specialist in psychiatry." Until 1996,
the

Ok. Even if he were certified, it would necessarily make him right
about anything.

[Marko Proberto]

"Roger Schlafly" > wrote in message
et...
> > In his book The Psychology of Freedom, Breggin wrote, ". permitting
> children
> > to have sex among themselves would go a long way toward liberating them
> from
> > oppressive parental authority.
>
> Goofy opinion, but Alfred Kinsey and others have expressed such opinions.

Feeble logical diversion noted. I do not go to Kinsey for advice or opinion
regarding psychological matters or child raising. People do go to Breggin
for such information. They should judge his opinions on all of the facts,
and in the light of his other opinions.

> > It's conceivable that Breggin was just too stupid to note the connection
> > linking The Prozac Survivors Support Group, the CCHR, and the Church of
> > Scientology. Conceivable, but not very likely.
>
> What's the point? Breggin is not a Scientologist, and he has his own
> reasons for disliking the Scientologists.

Hogwash. He is in lock step and financial step with them. Can you document
his reason why he would dislike $cientologists?

> > Breggin is not certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and
> Neurology,
> > which is the recognized agency for certifying psychiatrists.
> > Having completed three years of psychiatric training, Breggin is
entitled
> to
> > call himself a psychiatrist or a "specialist in psychiatry." Until 1996,
> the
>
> Ok. Even if he were certified, it would necessarily make him right
> about anything.

The fact is, that he made misleading claims as to his certifications. Note
what you selectively snipped:

"To become licensed in the United States, every physician must pass an
examination given by the National Board of Medical Examiners or an
equivalent examination by a state licensing board. Thus being a "diplomate"
of the National Board of Medical Examiners means nothing more than the fact
that the doctor has passed a standard licensing exam. Most resumés I have
seen do not list this credential."

IOW, puffery. Note how the anti-Barrett people just love to barf up his lack
of board certification in psychiatry and the fact that his license is not
current (as he has retired). IOW, hypocrites.

Again, people should judge the validity of his opinions in the light of
everything. And, let us not forget Schaler's indictment of his honesty.

[jake]

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:23:38 GMT, "Marko Proberto"
> wrote:

>>
>> What's the point? Breggin is not a Scientologist, and he has his own
>> reasons for disliking the Scientologists.
>
>Hogwash. He is in lock step and financial step with them. Can you document
>his reason why he would dislike $cientologists?

sure...


My Real Opinion of Scientology

http://www.breggin.com/Joemccarthylives.html

I am not merely neutral about Scientology. I am critical of
Scientology. I became familiar with the group in 1972 when--for a
short time--I accepted its offer to work together on some reform
projects. As I got to know more about the group, I found myself
opposed to Scientology's values, agenda, and tactics. I stopped all
cooperative efforts in 1974 and publicly declared my criticism of the
group in a letter published in Reason as long ago as January 1975. For
two decades I have refused to have anything to do with Scientology and
have criticized it hundreds of time to the media, on the air, and in
public speeches and workshops.

I have a yet more personal reason for refusing to have anything to do
with Scientology. In 1973 I met and fell in love with an idealistic
twenty-year-old Ginger Ross; but Scientology officials pressured her
to stop seeing me because I was not a member of their group. Ginger
and I did not meet again for twelve years. By then she had broken all
ties with Scientology and had become a staunch critic of it. We have
now been married for ten years and are the co-authors of Talking Back
to Prozac and The War Against Children.

That Lilly would try to link my views with those of Scientology, when
Ginger and I are known, long-standing critics of that group, indicates
the giant corporation's desperation to prevent the American public
from learning the truth about Prozac and the company's corporate
practices in researching and promoting it. Eli Lilly's McCarthy-like
tactic of trying to link me with Scientology--when I am in fact
opposed to that organization--reflects the extreme lengths to which
the company will go to protect its profits at the expense of patients

[Markowitz Probertowitz]

"jake" <nospamhere@all> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:23:38 GMT, "Marko Proberto"
> > wrote:
>
> >>
> >> What's the point? Breggin is not a Scientologist, and he has his own
> >> reasons for disliking the Scientologists.
> >
> >Hogwash. He is in lock step and financial step with them. Can you
document
> >his reason why he would dislike $cientologists?
>
> sure...
>
>
> My Real Opinion of Scientology
>
> http://www.breggin.com/Joemccarthylives.html
>
> I am not merely neutral about Scientology. I am critical of
> Scientology. I became familiar with the group in 1972 when--for a
> short time--I accepted its offer to work together on some reform
> projects. As I got to know more about the group, I found myself
> opposed to Scientology's values, agenda, and tactics. I stopped all
> cooperative efforts in 1974 and publicly declared my criticism of the
> group in a letter published in Reason as long ago as January 1975. For
> two decades I have refused to have anything to do with Scientology and
> have criticized it hundreds of time to the media, on the air, and in
> public speeches and workshops.
>
> I have a yet more personal reason for refusing to have anything to do
> with Scientology. In 1973 I met and fell in love with an idealistic
> twenty-year-old Ginger Ross; but Scientology officials pressured her
> to stop seeing me because I was not a member of their group. Ginger
> and I did not meet again for twelve years. By then she had broken all
> ties with Scientology and had become a staunch critic of it. We have
> now been married for ten years and are the co-authors of Talking Back
> to Prozac and The War Against Children.
>
> That Lilly would try to link my views with those of Scientology, when
> Ginger and I are known, long-standing critics of that group, indicates
> the giant corporation's desperation to prevent the American public
> from learning the truth about Prozac and the company's corporate
> practices in researching and promoting it. Eli Lilly's McCarthy-like
> tactic of trying to link me with Scientology--when I am in fact
> opposed to that organization--reflects the extreme lengths to which
> the company will go to protect its profits at the expense of patients

Funny, he takes money and ideas from them:

http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/breggen.htm

"All you need do to verify his dependence on information supplied to him by
the Church of Scientology is pick up a copy of "Talking Back to Prozac."
You'll see how dependent he was upon the Prozac Survivors Support Group,
Inc., for the "horror stories" he relates in that book. The Prozac Survivors
Support Group, Inc. website used to be at http://www.pssg.org. In trying to
get there today, I receive a "404 Not found" error. It's conceivable that
Breggin was just too stupid to note the connection linking The Prozac
Survivors Support Group, the CCHR, and the Church of Scientology.
Conceivable, but not very likely. It's also conceivable that Breggin didn't
know where all that money came from to pay for his "expert witness"
testimony in the "Prozac-made-me-do-it" lawsuits (he earned $45,000 in fees
in just one lawsuit). Again, conceivable, but not very likely. "

What is the word...hippo....nope..hypocrite! That is IT!

[Chris Leithiser]

Roger Schlafly wrote:

> What's the point? Breggin is not a Scientologist, and he has his own
> reasons for disliking the Scientologists.

Yes, they were mean to his wife once.