store brand formula (x-posted)

[ted]

I'm supplementing my baby with formula while bfing at nights. I was
wondering if there's any difference between the branded
(Enfamil,similac etc) and the store brand (Kirkland @ Costco). DH and
I compared the ingredients listed on the tin. The quantities are
exactly the same.
Anyways, there's a 30% difference in price. I don't know if it's ok to
buy the Kirkland Supreme versus the Enfamil.

Has anyone used the store brand and how do you feel?

Thanks.

[Michelle Podnar]

I don't have an answer for you, but here is another group that deals with
formula feeders, they are probably very knowledgable in this area...



--
Michelle P
Ava Marie July 14, 2002
"ted" > wrote in message
om...
> I'm supplementing my baby with formula while bfing at nights. I was
> wondering if there's any difference between the branded
> (Enfamil,similac etc) and the store brand (Kirkland @ Costco). DH and
> I compared the ingredients listed on the tin. The quantities are
> exactly the same.
> Anyways, there's a 30% difference in price. I don't know if it's ok to
> buy the Kirkland Supreme versus the Enfamil.
>
> Has anyone used the store brand and how do you feel?
>
> Thanks.

[Carolyn]

Just something I noticed in the Globe and Mail on Tuesday - you can never be
to sure what is (or isn't) in formula no matter what it says on the can.
Israel investigates baby-formula deaths

Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - Page A22

Jerusalem -- Israel opened a criminal investigation yesterday into
suspicions that the deaths of two babies were linked to a German-made,
soy-based formula pulled off Israeli store shelves and found to lack an
essential vitamin.

The Israeli Health Ministry said the kosher product -- made by the German
firm Humana GmbH -- caused a B-1 vitamin deficiency that led to inflammatory
or degenerative changes of the nerves, digestive system and heart. At a news
conference in Germany, Humana chief Rolf Janshen said the formula recipe was
unique to Israel and insisted that no other markets were affected. Reuters


"ted" > wrote in message
om...
> I'm supplementing my baby with formula while bfing at nights. I was
> wondering if there's any difference between the branded
> (Enfamil,similac etc) and the store brand (Kirkland @ Costco). DH and
> I compared the ingredients listed on the tin. The quantities are
> exactly the same.
> Anyways, there's a 30% difference in price. I don't know if it's ok to
> buy the Kirkland Supreme versus the Enfamil.
>
> Has anyone used the store brand and how do you feel?
>
> Thanks.

[C&J]

Oh my goodness, they are talking about in different countrys. I seen one of
those shows like 20/20 or 60 minutes or something like that not to long ago
and they were talking about the exact same thing and there was no difference
in the formulas! Next time you are at the store compare the formulas and
decide for yourself :)

Crystal
12/26/03


"Carolyn" > wrote in message
...
> Just something I noticed in the Globe and Mail on Tuesday - you can never
be
> to sure what is (or isn't) in formula no matter what it says on the can.
> Israel investigates baby-formula deaths
>
> Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - Page A22
>
> Jerusalem -- Israel opened a criminal investigation yesterday into
> suspicions that the deaths of two babies were linked to a German-made,
> soy-based formula pulled off Israeli store shelves and found to lack an
> essential vitamin.
>
> The Israeli Health Ministry said the kosher product -- made by the German
> firm Humana GmbH -- caused a B-1 vitamin deficiency that led to
inflammatory
> or degenerative changes of the nerves, digestive system and heart. At a
news
> conference in Germany, Humana chief Rolf Janshen said the formula recipe
was
> unique to Israel and insisted that no other markets were affected. Reuters
>
>
> "ted" > wrote in message
> om...
> > I'm supplementing my baby with formula while bfing at nights. I was
> > wondering if there's any difference between the branded
> > (Enfamil,similac etc) and the store brand (Kirkland @ Costco). DH and
> > I compared the ingredients listed on the tin. The quantities are
> > exactly the same.
> > Anyways, there's a 30% difference in price. I don't know if it's ok to
> > buy the Kirkland Supreme versus the Enfamil.
> >
> > Has anyone used the store brand and how do you feel?
> >
> > Thanks.
>
>

[Plissken]

"C&J" > wrote in message
t...
> Oh my goodness, they are talking about in different countrys.

Just because it happened in one country doesn't mean it can't happen in
another.

Nadene

[Chotii]

> > "ted" > wrote in message
> > om...


> "Carolyn" > wrote in message
> ...

"C&J" > wrote in message
t...


> > > I'm supplementing my baby with formula while bfing at nights. I was
> > > wondering if there's any difference between the branded
> > > (Enfamil,similac etc) and the store brand (Kirkland @ Costco). DH and
> > > I compared the ingredients listed on the tin. The quantities are
> > > exactly the same.
> > > Anyways, there's a 30% difference in price. I don't know if it's ok to
> > > buy the Kirkland Supreme versus the Enfamil.
> > >
> > > Has anyone used the store brand and how do you feel?

> > Just something I noticed in the Globe and Mail on Tuesday - you can
never
> be
> > to sure what is (or isn't) in formula no matter what it says on the can.
> > Israel investigates baby-formula deaths
> >
> > Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - Page A22
> >
> > Jerusalem -- Israel opened a criminal investigation yesterday into
> > suspicions that the deaths of two babies were linked to a German-made,
> > soy-based formula pulled off Israeli store shelves and found to lack an
> > essential vitamin.
> >
> > The Israeli Health Ministry said the kosher product -- made by the
German
> > firm Humana GmbH -- caused a B-1 vitamin deficiency that led to
> inflammatory
> > or degenerative changes of the nerves, digestive system and heart. At a
> news
> > conference in Germany, Humana chief Rolf Janshen said the formula recipe
> was
> > unique to Israel and insisted that no other markets were affected.
Reuters

> Oh my goodness, they are talking about in different countrys. I seen one
of
> those shows like 20/20 or 60 minutes or something like that not to long
ago
> and they were talking about the exact same thing and there was no
difference
> in the formulas! Next time you are at the store compare the formulas and
> decide for yourself :)

I think you're missing the point, innocently or deliberately.

What difference does it make that the formula in question was made in a
different country? It was made in Germany, and the last time I checked they
were a modern company. In the USA there have been *plenty* of recalls of
formula, usually for contamination, mis-labeling or counterfeiting. Do a
Google search on 'infant formula recalls' if you don't believe me. The
labels don't tell you everything. They can't. All you're doing is comparing
labels and trusting that they're not only accurate, but safe. Usually, of
course, they are. But there have been way too many recalls to believe this
is always the case.

--angela

[C&J]

"Chotii" > wrote in message
...
>
> > > "ted" > wrote in message
> > > om...
>
>
> > "Carolyn" > wrote in message
> > ...
>
> "C&J" > wrote in message
> t...
>
>
> > > > I'm supplementing my baby with formula while bfing at nights. I was
> > > > wondering if there's any difference between the branded
> > > > (Enfamil,similac etc) and the store brand (Kirkland @ Costco). DH
and
> > > > I compared the ingredients listed on the tin. The quantities are
> > > > exactly the same.
> > > > Anyways, there's a 30% difference in price. I don't know if it's ok
to
> > > > buy the Kirkland Supreme versus the Enfamil.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone used the store brand and how do you feel?
>
> > > Just something I noticed in the Globe and Mail on Tuesday - you can
> never
> > be
> > > to sure what is (or isn't) in formula no matter what it says on the
can.
> > > Israel investigates baby-formula deaths
> > >
> > > Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - Page A22
> > >
> > > Jerusalem -- Israel opened a criminal investigation yesterday into
> > > suspicions that the deaths of two babies were linked to a German-made,
> > > soy-based formula pulled off Israeli store shelves and found to lack
an
> > > essential vitamin.
> > >
> > > The Israeli Health Ministry said the kosher product -- made by the
> German
> > > firm Humana GmbH -- caused a B-1 vitamin deficiency that led to
> > inflammatory
> > > or degenerative changes of the nerves, digestive system and heart. At
a
> > news
> > > conference in Germany, Humana chief Rolf Janshen said the formula
recipe
> > was
> > > unique to Israel and insisted that no other markets were affected.
> Reuters
>
> > Oh my goodness, they are talking about in different countrys. I seen
one
> of
> > those shows like 20/20 or 60 minutes or something like that not to long
> ago
> > and they were talking about the exact same thing and there was no
> difference
> > in the formulas! Next time you are at the store compare the formulas
and
> > decide for yourself :)
>
> I think you're missing the point, innocently or deliberately.
>
> What difference does it make that the formula in question was made in a
> different country? It was made in Germany, and the last time I checked
they
> were a modern company. In the USA there have been *plenty* of recalls of
> formula, usually for contamination, mis-labeling or counterfeiting. Do a
> Google search on 'infant formula recalls' if you don't believe me. The
> labels don't tell you everything. They can't. All you're doing is
comparing
> labels and trusting that they're not only accurate, but safe. Usually, of
> course, they are. But there have been way too many recalls to believe
this
> is always the case.
>
> --angela
>
I got the point!

I hope no one throws a fit about the all caps, I cut and pasted.

Crystal
Generic Vs Brand Name Baby Formula, Airport Scanning Equipment, Expiration
Dates on Canned Goods
Q: VIEWER NOTICED A DRASTIC PRICE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NAME BRAND AND GENERIC
BABY FORMULAS. HE WANTS TO KNOW IF THERE'S A NUTRITIONAL DIFFERENCE?

A: WE WENT TO THE F-D-A WITH YOUR QUESTION. IT SAYS WHEN IT COMES TO INFANT
FORMULA, THERE HAS TO BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF NUTRIENTS IN THE FORMULA.
THEREFORE, THERE IS NO SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GENERIC AND NAME BRAND
BECAUSE EACH MUST HAVE THE REQUIRED VITAMINS.

http://www.nbc4.com/answerstoaskliz2000/1166169/detail.html

Here's another:

Are Store-Brand Formulas as Good?
http://www.americanbaby.com/ab/story.jhtml;jsessionid=TMUYEBDUF4YRVQFIBQNR5VWAVAB B4IV0?storyid=/templatedata/ab/story/data/9161.xml&categoryid=/templatedata/ab/category/data/baby.xml&page=2

[Ali's Daddie]

"ted" > wrote in message
om...
| I'm supplementing my baby with formula while bfing at nights. I was
| wondering if there's any difference between the branded
| (Enfamil,similac etc) and the store brand (Kirkland @ Costco). DH and
| I compared the ingredients listed on the tin. The quantities are
| exactly the same.
| Anyways, there's a 30% difference in price. I don't know if it's ok to
| buy the Kirkland Supreme versus the Enfamil.
|
| Has anyone used the store brand and how do you feel?
|
| Thanks.


We originally used the expensive stuff. But after some comparison in
nutrition, we chose a store brand. We save about $6 per can (more really
because the store brand comes in larger cans than the name brand)

Alegra has never had any problems with it, and her Pediatrician said that
it's fine (for Alegra) so the store brand worked for us.

I personally don't see paying an extra $6 for a name. Especially if the
nutrition value on the store brand is the same (or better) than the name
brand. But then I am probably a bit more frugal (ok, I'm CHEAP lol) than
most people.


--
LES!

Daddie to Alegra Lee. May 25th 2003!
"Daddie's Little Diva"

To send me an email, please remove your hat
YourHatDaddie at bonbon.net

[Marie]

"Ali's Daddie" > wrote in message
...
> SNIP>
>
> Alegra has never had any problems with it, and her Pediatrician said that
> it's fine (for Alegra) so the store brand worked for us.

I think the key phrase here is "for Allegra." Every baby is different, and
different formulas will be tolerated in different ways by each baby.

That said, when our boys were being discharged from the hospital (they spent
their first 5 wks there because they were preemies) the NICU's dietician
told us there was really no difference, nutritionally, between the various
brands.

One thought for the OP: talk to the store manager and find out who makes
the store brand for them. That will tell you what "brand" of formula you're
really getting. Other than that, try a can--your babe will soon tell you if
it's a formula she likes :-)

Marie
Chris and Alex--born 04/23/03 at 31wks gestational :-)
Meet the Kidlets at http://ca.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/mmcw2

[Liz S. Reynolds]

In article >,
C&J > wrote:
>Oh my goodness, they are talking about in different countrys. I seen one of
>those shows like 20/20 or 60 minutes or something like that not to long ago
>and they were talking about the exact same thing and there was no difference
>in the formulas! Next time you are at the store compare the formulas and
>decide for yourself :)

As it turns out that formula was exported to the US, it's apparently
popular in Orthodox neighborhoods around NYC although I haven't heard of
any cases of sick babies because of it yet. It was in the news big time
around here the other week.

-Liz

[C&J]

"Liz S. Reynolds" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> C&J > wrote:
> >Oh my goodness, they are talking about in different countrys. I seen one
of
> >those shows like 20/20 or 60 minutes or something like that not to long
ago
> >and they were talking about the exact same thing and there was no
difference
> >in the formulas! Next time you are at the store compare the formulas and
> >decide for yourself :)
>
> As it turns out that formula was exported to the US, it's apparently
> popular in Orthodox neighborhoods around NYC although I haven't heard of
> any cases of sick babies because of it yet. It was in the news big time
> around here the other week.

I read that also. I don't think people here in AZ have to worry about that.
:)

Crystal
>
> -Liz

[iphigenia]

C&J wrote:
>
> I read that also. I don't think people here in AZ have to worry
> about that. :)
>

They might, however, want to worry about this (posted yesterday to LactNet):

"E. sakazakii is fairly common-one study showed that 14% of
samples from formula around the world was contaminated with E. sakazakii.
This
is certainly not a reassuring statistic for families who do not realize that
even though powdered formula is less expensive, it can bring with it an
unwanted little bonus."

--
tristyn
www.tristyn.net
"i have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.
i do not think that they will sing to me."

[C&J]

I have not yet come across anything that stated it was a generic brand that
was contaminated. All I found that it was powdered formula. So I will just
speak for myself, I am not worried about this at all. I don't like using
powdered formula anyways and I breastfeed.

Crystal

"iphigenia" > wrote in message
...
> C&J wrote:
> >
> > I read that also. I don't think people here in AZ have to worry
> > about that. :)
> >
>
> They might, however, want to worry about this (posted yesterday to
LactNet):
>
> "E. sakazakii is fairly common-one study showed that 14% of
> samples from formula around the world was contaminated with E. sakazakii.
> This
> is certainly not a reassuring statistic for families who do not realize
that
> even though powdered formula is less expensive, it can bring with it an
> unwanted little bonus."
>
> --
> tristyn
> www.tristyn.net
> "i have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.
> i do not think that they will sing to me."
>
>

[C&J]

My bad, I just came across it!

Crystal

"C&J" > wrote in message
t...
> I have not yet come across anything that stated it was a generic brand
that
> was contaminated. All I found that it was powdered formula. So I will
just
> speak for myself, I am not worried about this at all. I don't like using
> powdered formula anyways and I breastfeed.
>
> Crystal
>
> "iphigenia" > wrote in message
> ...
> > C&J wrote:
> > >
> > > I read that also. I don't think people here in AZ have to worry
> > > about that. :)
> > >
> >
> > They might, however, want to worry about this (posted yesterday to
> LactNet):
> >
> > "E. sakazakii is fairly common-one study showed that 14% of
> > samples from formula around the world was contaminated with E.
sakazakii.
> > This
> > is certainly not a reassuring statistic for families who do not realize
> that
> > even though powdered formula is less expensive, it can bring with it an
> > unwanted little bonus."
> >
> > --
> > tristyn
> > www.tristyn.net
> > "i have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.
> > i do not think that they will sing to me."
> >
> >
>
>

[Akuvikate]

(ted) wrote in message >...
> I'm supplementing my baby with formula while bfing at nights. I was
> wondering if there's any difference between the branded
> (Enfamil,similac etc) and the store brand (Kirkland @ Costco). DH and
> I compared the ingredients listed on the tin. The quantities are
> exactly the same.
> Anyways, there's a 30% difference in price. I don't know if it's ok to
> buy the Kirkland Supreme versus the Enfamil.
>
> Has anyone used the store brand and how do you feel?
>
> Thanks.

Haven't used formula personally, but my understanding is that infant
formula is so tightly regulated by the FDA that there's no significant
difference in brand-name vs. store brand formulas. I would imagine
that it's a function of the individual babies preference (or lack
thereof) for a particular formula.

Kate
and the Bug, June 8 2003

[Hillary Israeli]

In >,
iphigenia > wrote:

*C&J wrote:
*>
*> I read that also. I don't think people here in AZ have to worry
*> about that. :)
*>
*
*They might, however, want to worry about this (posted yesterday to LactNet):
*
*"E. sakazakii is fairly common-one study showed that 14% of
*samples from formula around the world was contaminated with E. sakazakii.
*This
*is certainly not a reassuring statistic for families who do not realize that
*even though powdered formula is less expensive, it can bring with it an
*unwanted little bonus."

Hey, sorry to butt in here, but was that you in the article about the
nurse-in at Burger King that someone posted to some other ng I read??

-h.

--
hillary israeli vmd http://www.hillary.net
"uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est."
not-so-newly minted veterinarian-at-large :)

[-L.]

(ted) wrote in message >...
> I'm supplementing my baby with formula while bfing at nights. I was
> wondering if there's any difference between the branded
> (Enfamil,similac etc) and the store brand (Kirkland @ Costco). DH and
> I compared the ingredients listed on the tin. The quantities are
> exactly the same.
> Anyways, there's a 30% difference in price. I don't know if it's ok to
> buy the Kirkland Supreme versus the Enfamil.
>
> Has anyone used the store brand and how do you feel?
>
> Thanks.

Formula composition is regulated by the FDA and all must meet the same
standards for nutrition. Therefore, the generic or store brand is
essentially the same as the costly alternatives.

http://www.storebrandformulas.com/fda.html

Compare to national brands like Similac and Infamil:

http://www.storebrandformulas.com/compare.html

While some tout other "beneficial" additives (amino acids and the
like) I don't think the benefits of such additives have been proven.

-L.

[Chotii]

"Akuvikate" > wrote in message
om...
> (ted) wrote in message
>...
> > I'm supplementing my baby with formula while bfing at nights. I was
> > wondering if there's any difference between the branded
> > (Enfamil,similac etc) and the store brand (Kirkland @ Costco). DH and
> > I compared the ingredients listed on the tin. The quantities are
> > exactly the same.
> > Anyways, there's a 30% difference in price. I don't know if it's ok to
> > buy the Kirkland Supreme versus the Enfamil.
> >
> > Has anyone used the store brand and how do you feel?
> >
> > Thanks.
>
> Haven't used formula personally, but my understanding is that infant
> formula is so tightly regulated by the FDA that there's no significant
> difference in brand-name vs. store brand formulas. I would imagine
> that it's a function of the individual babies preference (or lack
> thereof) for a particular formula.

I, personally, never argued that store brand vs name brand was any different
quality-wise. My argument began when C&J said:

> >Oh my goodness, they are talking about in different countrys. I seen one
of
> >those shows like 20/20 or 60 minutes or something like that not to long
ago
> >and they were talking about the exact same thing and there was no
difference
> >in the formulas! Next time you are at the store compare the formulas and
> >decide for yourself :)

....as if the fact that this happened in a different country meant that it
didn't apply here. I replied that there's always a risk, in the US/Canada
no less than in other developed countries, that formula may be contaminated
or be lacking or excessive in some nutrient. I doubt it makes any
difference whether it's a generic or name-brand formula (and from what I can
tell, lots of the generic/store-brand formulas are actually the same formula
as the name-brand, just labeled differently). Almost all the time, any of
these will be safe and complete, and then it's a matter of which one a baby
will like, and will agree with the baby.

--angela

[C&J]

Yeah well C&J said that because it had nothing to do with the begining of
the thread . He simply asked if there was a difference between the 2
(generic and brand name). It didn't apply here! Not in that article
anyways. Tell me were in *that article* that it stated in the U.S. We all
know that there are risks with everything. I mean come on now that's a
given and if someone doesn't know that then they are pretty stupid.

Crystal



"Chotii" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Akuvikate" > wrote in message
> om...
> > (ted) wrote in message
> >...
> > > I'm supplementing my baby with formula while bfing at nights. I was
> > > wondering if there's any difference between the branded
> > > (Enfamil,similac etc) and the store brand (Kirkland @ Costco). DH and
> > > I compared the ingredients listed on the tin. The quantities are
> > > exactly the same.
> > > Anyways, there's a 30% difference in price. I don't know if it's ok to
> > > buy the Kirkland Supreme versus the Enfamil.
> > >
> > > Has anyone used the store brand and how do you feel?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> >
> > Haven't used formula personally, but my understanding is that infant
> > formula is so tightly regulated by the FDA that there's no significant
> > difference in brand-name vs. store brand formulas. I would imagine
> > that it's a function of the individual babies preference (or lack
> > thereof) for a particular formula.
>
> I, personally, never argued that store brand vs name brand was any
different
> quality-wise. My argument began when C&J said:
>
> > >Oh my goodness, they are talking about in different countrys. I seen
one
> of
> > >those shows like 20/20 or 60 minutes or something like that not to long
> ago
> > >and they were talking about the exact same thing and there was no
> difference
> > >in the formulas! Next time you are at the store compare the formulas
and
> > >decide for yourself :)
>
> ...as if the fact that this happened in a different country meant that it
> didn't apply here. I replied that there's always a risk, in the US/Canada
> no less than in other developed countries, that formula may be
contaminated
> or be lacking or excessive in some nutrient. I doubt it makes any
> difference whether it's a generic or name-brand formula (and from what I
can
> tell, lots of the generic/store-brand formulas are actually the same
formula
> as the name-brand, just labeled differently). Almost all the time, any of
> these will be safe and complete, and then it's a matter of which one a
baby
> will like, and will agree with the baby.
>
> --angela
>
>

[Akuvikate]

"Chotii" > wrote in message >...
> "Akuvikate" > wrote in message
> om...
> > (ted) wrote in message
> >...
> > > I'm supplementing my baby with formula while bfing at nights. I was
> > > wondering if there's any difference between the branded
> > > (Enfamil,similac etc) and the store brand (Kirkland @ Costco). DH and
> > > I compared the ingredients listed on the tin. The quantities are
> > > exactly the same.
> > > Anyways, there's a 30% difference in price. I don't know if it's ok to
> > > buy the Kirkland Supreme versus the Enfamil.
> > >
> > > Has anyone used the store brand and how do you feel?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> >
> > Haven't used formula personally, but my understanding is that infant
> > formula is so tightly regulated by the FDA that there's no significant
> > difference in brand-name vs. store brand formulas. I would imagine
> > that it's a function of the individual babies preference (or lack
> > thereof) for a particular formula.
>
> I, personally, never argued that store brand vs name brand was any different
> quality-wise. My argument began when C&J said:
>
> > >Oh my goodness, they are talking about in different countrys. I seen one
> of
> > >those shows like 20/20 or 60 minutes or something like that not to long
> ago
> > >and they were talking about the exact same thing and there was no
> difference
> > >in the formulas! Next time you are at the store compare the formulas and
> > >decide for yourself :)
>
> ...as if the fact that this happened in a different country meant that it
> didn't apply here. I replied that there's always a risk, in the US/Canada
> no less than in other developed countries, that formula may be contaminated
> or be lacking or excessive in some nutrient. I doubt it makes any
> difference whether it's a generic or name-brand formula (and from what I can
> tell, lots of the generic/store-brand formulas are actually the same formula
> as the name-brand, just labeled differently). Almost all the time, any of
> these will be safe and complete, and then it's a matter of which one a baby
> will like, and will agree with the baby.
>
> --angela


Agreed -- I was just responding to the OP's question about whether
there's a difference between store- and name-brand formula.

Kate
and the Bug, June 8 2003

[iphigenia]

Hillary Israeli wrote:
>
> Hey, sorry to butt in here, but was that you in the article about the
> nurse-in at Burger King that someone posted to some other ng I read??

Breasts and beer? Yep, me : )
And....
I got quoted in NEWSWEEK!
I just found out, I'm excited ; )

--
tristyn
www.tristyn.net
"i have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.
i do not think that they will sing to me."

[Belphoebe]

iphigenia wrote:
> Hillary Israeli wrote:
>>
>> Hey, sorry to butt in here, but was that you in the article about the
>> nurse-in at Burger King that someone posted to some other ng I read??
>
> Breasts and beer? Yep, me : )
> And....
> I got quoted in NEWSWEEK!
> I just found out, I'm excited ; )

I just did a search and found it--very cool! :)

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Belphoebe