Things to think of before you get married again..
 

The balance of power between male and female, father and mother, has been
systematically destroyed in favor of female dominance at law. The following
is a (short) list of female advantages over male.

1.. A married woman may legally abort her child without her husband's
permission. This underscores the materialistic view that the male is merely
a sperm donor and that the child is not a person.
2.. Although a wife may abort without permission from her husband, he
cannot compel an abortion, even if the child is not his.
3.. A husband is legally and financially responsible for any child born to
the marriage even though it is not his.
4.. Except for rich men and in cases of female default (prison,
abandonment, hospitalization, death, et.al.) women universally receive
custody of children and all that comes with it, the marital home and child
support.
5.. Denial of court ordered visitation is common place and not punished
(yet failure to pay all your child support, for any reason, will cause the
state to bring a myriad of punishments down on you).
6.. Alienation, turning the kids against their father, is commonplace and
tolerated by the courts.
7.. Any woman can tell any amount of lies in family court and not fear
prosecution for perjury.
8.. Fathers routinely have their children taken from them by judges. In
most, if not all, states men are not allowed to have jury trials. Juries
would never do to families what judges do. State policy is executed via the
judiciary.
9.. Women frequently scam the welfare system. When they are caught they
are not prosecuted or even made to pay back the money.
10.. Women are the primary clients of the welfare state, not men.
11.. When an unmarried woman misrepresents her fecundity to a man, he is
still financially liable for her unilateral decision to become pregnant.
12.. If an unmarried woman becomes pregnant she may abort over the
objection of the man. If she decides to keep the child he cannot compel an
abortion and will be held liable for child support.
13.. Paternal grandparents have no rights of visitation with their son's
children. For that matter neither do the maternal grandparents have rights
of visitation - none that are enforced anyway.
14.. Any woman may call the police and allege physical abuse. Even without
any physical evidence the male will be arrested, booked and placed into the
system for prosecution. He must prove his innocence. He will be evicted from
his home without due process of law and may have a personal protection order
(restraining order) filed against him.
15.. Any woman may allege sex abuse of one of her children and 800 years
of constitutional protections are thrown out the window. Without due process
of law the man will be evicted from his home, arrested, booked, released on
bail and prosecuted. He will have to pay child support. The allegation of
sex abuse may be used in family court to obtain permanent custody. He will
have to pay tens of thousand of dollars for an attorney and all this while
he is trying to fund a new residence. The custodial mother can smear his
name in public with impunity and even try to destroy his employment and all
without fear of correction from the court. The woman does not have to retain
an attorney to prosecute the sex abuse case; that the state does this for
her. If it is later discovered that she lied, the system will not prosecute
her. The man will get his day in court after a year or two. But by then he
has had his children taken from him and his property transferred to his
accuser.
16.. After divorce there are often many conflicts that have to be resolved
by the court. The custodial mother does not have to hire an attorney, the
court ancillary will represent her interest against the non-custodial
father. The father must hire an attorney. He may represent himself but then
he has a fool for an attorney.
17.. The system is quick to increase child support and even base it on
overtime and/or second jobs. However, if a man loses overtime or his second
job (or his primary job) he quickly falls into "arrears." The courts will
not make adjustments even if loss of income is not his fault - and in some
cases, they may even increase the amount and call it "incentive" to find
another, high paying job (which, to them is the only thing an NCP should
ever seek, even if it's not in your chosen field or at your education level)
so they can go after more "support" money.
18.. Draconian measures for collection of child support have been
federally mandated. These include seizure of assets, seizure of professional
licenses and up to four years in prison (or more in some cases). Arrearages
compound at exorbitant interest rates (some states charges up to 18% or more
in interest alone!).
19.. Child support accrues for men in prison with above market interest
rates. Such men become "debt slaves" to the state. (See Title 42/Chapter
7/Subchapter IV/Part D/Subsection 666)
20.. Men are traumatized by divorce and loss of their children but the
courts will not tolerate a loss of income. The court will not adjust child
support accordingly.

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sounds like its time to make sure our lawmakers (and especially those up for
re-election) are aware that a revolution is in the offing. Anyone feel like
writing up and posting a nice letter that we can all mail to our
local/state/federal representatives? if we all mail a letter every few days,
they'll start realizing that this is an issue that is way overdue for
fixing.

Oh yeah, flooding the local newspapers, news channels, radio stations etc.
will also help.

we all know this is aproblem, the only real possibility of fixing it is to
start a massive public awareness campaign... If elected officials think that
there is a significant voting block that will use this as the major issue in
deciding how thye vote, change will happen *really* fast.

there really aren't any other options, unless you're on of those folks that
think violent action actually helps...

--JD


"Dusty" wrote in message
...
The balance of power between male and female, father and mother, has been
systematically destroyed in favor of female dominance at law. The
following is a (short) list of female advantages over male.

1.. A married woman may legally abort her child without her husband's
permission. This underscores the materialistic view that the male is
merely a sperm donor and that the child is not a person.
2.. Although a wife may abort without permission from her husband, he
cannot compel an abortion, even if the child is not his.
3.. A husband is legally and financially responsible for any child born
to the marriage even though it is not his.
4.. Except for rich men and in cases of female default (prison,
abandonment, hospitalization, death, et.al.) women universally receive
custody of children and all that comes with it, the marital home and child
support.
5.. Denial of court ordered visitation is common place and not punished
(yet failure to pay all your child support, for any reason, will cause the
state to bring a myriad of punishments down on you).
6.. Alienation, turning the kids against their father, is commonplace and
tolerated by the courts.
7.. Any woman can tell any amount of lies in family court and not fear
prosecution for perjury.
8.. Fathers routinely have their children taken from them by judges. In
most, if not all, states men are not allowed to have jury trials. Juries
would never do to families what judges do. State policy is executed via
the judiciary.
9.. Women frequently scam the welfare system. When they are caught they
are not prosecuted or even made to pay back the money.
10.. Women are the primary clients of the welfare state, not men.
11.. When an unmarried woman misrepresents her fecundity to a man, he is
still financially liable for her unilateral decision to become pregnant.
12.. If an unmarried woman becomes pregnant she may abort over the
objection of the man. If she decides to keep the child he cannot compel an
abortion and will be held liable for child support.
13.. Paternal grandparents have no rights of visitation with their son's
children. For that matter neither do the maternal grandparents have rights
of visitation - none that are enforced anyway.
14.. Any woman may call the police and allege physical abuse. Even
without any physical evidence the male will be arrested, booked and placed
into the system for prosecution. He must prove his innocence. He will be
evicted from his home without due process of law and may have a personal
protection order (restraining order) filed against him.
15.. Any woman may allege sex abuse of one of her children and 800 years
of constitutional protections are thrown out the window. Without due
process of law the man will be evicted from his home, arrested, booked,
released on bail and prosecuted. He will have to pay child support. The
allegation of sex abuse may be used in family court to obtain permanent
custody. He will have to pay tens of thousand of dollars for an attorney
and all this while he is trying to fund a new residence. The custodial
mother can smear his name in public with impunity and even try to destroy
his employment and all without fear of correction from the court. The
woman does not have to retain an attorney to prosecute the sex abuse case;
that the state does this for her. If it is later discovered that she lied,
the system will not prosecute her. The man will get his day in court after
a year or two. But by then he has had his children taken from him and his
property transferred to his accuser.
16.. After divorce there are often many conflicts that have to be
resolved by the court. The custodial mother does not have to hire an
attorney, the court ancillary will represent her interest against the
non-custodial father. The father must hire an attorney. He may represent
himself but then he has a fool for an attorney.
17.. The system is quick to increase child support and even base it on
overtime and/or second jobs. However, if a man loses overtime or his
second job (or his primary job) he quickly falls into "arrears." The
courts will not make adjustments even if loss of income is not his fault -
and in some cases, they may even increase the amount and call it
"incentive" to find another, high paying job (which, to them is the only
thing an NCP should ever seek, even if it's not in your chosen field or at
your education level) so they can go after more "support" money.
18.. Draconian measures for collection of child support have been
federally mandated. These include seizure of assets, seizure of
professional licenses and up to four years in prison (or more in some
cases). Arrearages compound at exorbitant interest rates (some states
charges up to 18% or more in interest alone!).
19.. Child support accrues for men in prison with above market interest
rates. Such men become "debt slaves" to the state. (See Title 42/Chapter
7/Subchapter IV/Part D/Subsection 666)
20.. Men are traumatized by divorce and loss of their children but the
courts will not tolerate a loss of income. The court will not adjust child
support accordingly.

Things to think of before you get married again..
 

Dusty wrote:
The balance of power between male and female, father and mother, has been
systematically destroyed in favor of female dominance at law. The following
is a (short) list of female advantages over male.

1.. A married woman may legally abort her child without her husband's
permission. This underscores the materialistic view that the male is merely
a sperm donor and that the child is not a person.

Any pregnant man can abort. A fetus is not a child.

2.. Although a wife may abort without permission from her husband, he
cannot compel an abortion, even if the child is not his.

He can in the bible. Numbers 5:11-31

snip

Deary, a vasectomy is cheaper than a month of child support. If you
don't want to breed, don't have sex with a fertile woman, and if you
can't find a woman willing to deal with you and your demands, it's a
sign you shouldn't breed in the first place. However, there are many,
many women who buy into the idea that a woman is less human if she
chooses not to breed, and thus, they often feel a need to go along with
the herd and don't actually think things out very carefully.

If you are stupid enough to **** such a woman, both of you are unfit to
breed, since intelligence is a heritable trait.

A study published in the journal Evolution demonstrated a very strong
correlation between early/frequent childbearing and low IQ.

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wrote
..............................

Deary, a vasectomy is cheaper than a month of child support. If you
don't want to breed, don't have sex with a fertile woman,
==
And how is he to know when she is fertile?

Things to think of before you get married again..
 

wrote in message
ups.com...

Dusty wrote:
The balance of power between male and female, father and mother, has
been
systematically destroyed in favor of female dominance at law. The
following
is a (short) list of female advantages over male.

1.. A married woman may legally abort her child without her
husband's
permission. This underscores the materialistic view that the male is
merely
a sperm donor and that the child is not a person.

Any pregnant man can abort. A fetus is not a child.

And some men are forced to support his wife's child she created with her
lover. So what you're saying is that Scott Peterson didn't murder his
"unborn child"?
In man aborting, you are aware that mothers can absolve their
parenthood in a number of ways including abandoning the child after
birth, but the father does not have that right unless the mother
agrees... and you have no problem with it?


2.. Although a wife may abort without permission from her husband,
he
cannot compel an abortion, even if the child is not his.

He can in the bible. Numbers 5:11-31

He can't in the US. Roe vs. Wade 1973.
Phil #3
[snip]

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"Gini" wrote in message
news:v25Vg.2469$6S2.1287@trndny02...

wrote
.............................

Deary, a vasectomy is cheaper than a month of child support. If you
don't want to breed, don't have sex with a fertile woman,
==
And how is he to know when she is fertile?

He should follow her around with pen, pencil and a thermometer to keep
track of her periods and temperature.
Nothing to it. :D
Phil #3

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Phil wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Dusty wrote:

The balance of power between male and female, father and mother, has
been
systematically destroyed in favor of female dominance at law. The
following
is a (short) list of female advantages over male.

1.. A married woman may legally abort her child without her
husband's
permission. This underscores the materialistic view that the male is
merely
a sperm donor and that the child is not a person.

Any pregnant man can abort. A fetus is not a child.


And some men are forced to support his wife's child she created with her
lover. So what you're saying is that Scott Peterson didn't murder his
"unborn child"?
In man aborting, you are aware that mothers can absolve their
parenthood in a number of ways including abandoning the child after
birth, but the father does not have that right unless the mother
agrees... and you have no problem with it?

Any man can also abandon any child THAT HE GIVES BIRTH TO. So you see,
the system is equitable.

- Ron ^*^

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"Werebat" wrote in message
news:XE9Vg.6839$vC3.1402@dukeread02...


Phil wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Dusty wrote:

The balance of power between male and female, father and mother, has
been
systematically destroyed in favor of female dominance at law. The
following
is a (short) list of female advantages over male.

1.. A married woman may legally abort her child without her
husband's
permission. This underscores the materialistic view that the male is
merely
a sperm donor and that the child is not a person.

Any pregnant man can abort. A fetus is not a child.


And some men are forced to support his wife's child she created with
her lover. So what you're saying is that Scott Peterson didn't murder
his "unborn child"?
In man aborting, you are aware that mothers can absolve their
parenthood in a number of ways including abandoning the child after
birth, but the father does not have that right unless the mother
agrees... and you have no problem with it?

Any man can also abandon any child THAT HE GIVES BIRTH TO. So you
see, the system is equitable.

- Ron ^*^


No doubt he can also choose to keep the child and force the mother to
give him money.
Phil #3

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"Phil" wrote

"Gini" wrote

wrote
.............................

Deary, a vasectomy is cheaper than a month of child support. If you
don't want to breed, don't have sex with a fertile woman,
==
And how is he to know when she is fertile?

He should follow her around with pen, pencil and a thermometer to keep
track of her periods and temperature.
==
Hehe--Cuz she can't count to 30, I guess.

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Phil wrote:
"Werebat" wrote in message
news:XE9Vg.6839$vC3.1402@dukeread02...


Phil wrote:

wrote in message
groups.com...


Dusty wrote:


The balance of power between male and female, father and mother, has
been
systematically destroyed in favor of female dominance at law. The
following
is a (short) list of female advantages over male.

1.. A married woman may legally abort her child without her
husband's
permission. This underscores the materialistic view that the male is
merely
a sperm donor and that the child is not a person.

Any pregnant man can abort. A fetus is not a child.


And some men are forced to support his wife's child she created with
her lover. So what you're saying is that Scott Peterson didn't murder
his "unborn child"?
In man aborting, you are aware that mothers can absolve their
parenthood in a number of ways including abandoning the child after
birth, but the father does not have that right unless the mother
agrees... and you have no problem with it?

Any man can also abandon any child THAT HE GIVES BIRTH TO. So you
see, the system is equitable.

- Ron ^*^



No doubt he can also choose to keep the child and force the mother to
give him money.

If he gives birth to it, then yes. So, again, fair and equitable.

- Ron ^*^

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"Gini" wrote in message
news:zGeVg.31$Xf.21@trndny07...

"Phil" wrote

"Gini" wrote

wrote
.............................

Deary, a vasectomy is cheaper than a month of child support. If
you
don't want to breed, don't have sex with a fertile woman,
==
And how is he to know when she is fertile?

He should follow her around with pen, pencil and a thermometer to
keep track of her periods and temperature.
==
Hehe--Cuz she can't count to 30, I guess.

Well, you know, math is hard ;)
Phil #3

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"Phil" wrote
"Gini" wrote
"Phil" wrote
"Gini" wrote
wrote
.............................
Deary, a vasectomy is cheaper than a month of child support. If you
don't want to breed, don't have sex with a fertile woman,
==
And how is he to know when she is fertile?

He should follow her around with pen, pencil and a thermometer to keep
track of her periods and temperature.
==
Hehe--Cuz she can't count to 30, I guess.

Well, you know, math is hard ;)
==
'specially for gurlz.

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Werebat wrote:


Phil wrote:

wrote in message
ups.com...

Dusty wrote:

The balance of power between male and female, father and mother, has
been
systematically destroyed in favor of female dominance at law. The
following
is a (short) list of female advantages over male.

1.. A married woman may legally abort her child without her husband's
permission. This underscores the materialistic view that the male is
merely
a sperm donor and that the child is not a person.


Any pregnant man can abort. A fetus is not a child.



And some men are forced to support his wife's child she created with
her lover. So what you're saying is that Scott Peterson didn't murder
his "unborn child"?
In man aborting, you are aware that mothers can absolve their
parenthood in a number of ways including abandoning the child after
birth, but the father does not have that right unless the mother
agrees... and you have no problem with it?


Any man can also abandon any child THAT HE GIVES BIRTH TO. So you see,
the system is equitable.

That's exactly like saying that any woman with a penis can be a Doctor
or Engineer or Chartered Accountant or CEO or Politician or Lawyer or
Firefighter or Police Officer or Member of the Military or get a
University Degree...
Of course, they wouldn't need that vital equipment to be a nurse or
primary school teacher or housewife or secretary or sales girl or typist
or stripper or prostitute... :-)

....Ken

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"Gini" wrote in message
news:v25Vg.2469$6S2.1287@trndny02...

wrote
.............................

Deary, a vasectomy is cheaper than a month of child support. If you
don't want to breed, don't have sex with a fertile woman,
==
And how is he to know when she is fertile?

Isn't a vasectomy only cheaper than a month of child support if child
support is more than a vasecotmy? How much is a vasectomy?

A man can figure out when a woman is fertile by knowing her cycle. It
requires her sharing that information with him, but once the cycle is made
known it isn't hard to figure out when she is fertile during the month.
There is a small percentage of woman whose cycles are not consistant and
therefore using any type of method would fail.

Tracy

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"Phil" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Gini" wrote in message
news:v25Vg.2469$6S2.1287@trndny02...

wrote
.............................

Deary, a vasectomy is cheaper than a month of child support. If you
don't want to breed, don't have sex with a fertile woman,
==
And how is he to know when she is fertile?

He should follow her around with pen, pencil and a thermometer to keep
track of her periods and temperature.
Nothing to it. :D

Reminds me of a co-worker of mine. Him and his wife are trying to have a
child together. She'll send him a page when the temperature & time is just
right. When hearing the page I'll laugh and tell him it's time to go home.
:)

Tracy

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"Tracy" ) writes:
"Gini" wrote in message
news:v25Vg.2469$6S2.1287@trndny02...

wrote
.............................

Deary, a vasectomy is cheaper than a month of child support. If you
don't want to breed, don't have sex with a fertile woman,
==
And how is he to know when she is fertile?

Isn't a vasectomy only cheaper than a month of child support if child
support is more than a vasecotmy? How much is a vasectomy?

How much is a tubal ligation ?

" Her body, her choice... HER *responsibility*. "

A man can figure out when a woman is fertile by knowing her cycle.

" Always blame the nearest man. " Feminist Handbook.

How about said women know their own cycles, and be responsible for not
having sex when they are fertile ?

It requires her sharing that information with him, but once the cycle is
made known it isn't hard to figure out when she is fertile during the
month.

Other than by HER, as you seem to want the man to be responsible FOR her.

That suggests that you view *women* as non sentient... And, irresponsible.

There is a small percentage of woman whose cycles are not consistant
and therefore using any type of method would fail.

Her keeping her legs closed has a 100% success rate. Oh wait, we can't
make looking after HER interests and HER body be HER responsibility,
because she is a woman...

Fools call that " equality ".

Andre

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Tracy wrote:
"Gini" wrote in message
news:v25Vg.2469$6S2.1287@trndny02...
wrote
.............................
Deary, a vasectomy is cheaper than a month of child support. If you
don't want to breed, don't have sex with a fertile woman,
==
And how is he to know when she is fertile?

Isn't a vasectomy only cheaper than a month of child support if child
support is more than a vasecotmy? How much is a vasectomy?

In the US, between $450 and $700. See
http://www.vasectomymedical.com/vasectomy-cost.html

A man can figure out when a woman is fertile by knowing her cycle. It
requires her sharing that information with him, but once the cycle is made
known it isn't hard to figure out when she is fertile during the month.
There is a small percentage of woman whose cycles are not consistant and
therefore using any type of method would fail.

And if she lies, what then? Can he sue for fraud?

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Andre Lieven wrote:
"Tracy" ) writes:
"Gini" wrote in message
news:v25Vg.2469$6S2.1287@trndny02...
wrote
.............................
Deary, a vasectomy is cheaper than a month of child support. If you
don't want to breed, don't have sex with a fertile woman,
==
And how is he to know when she is fertile?
Isn't a vasectomy only cheaper than a month of child support if child
support is more than a vasecotmy? How much is a vasectomy?

How much is a tubal ligation ?

Here's something interesting:

"The cost of vasectomy is typically 3 to 4 times less than the cost of
tubal ligation. Although prices vary, regionally, vasectomy costs
generally range from about two hundrend fifty to one thousand dollars,
while the cost of tubal ligation often begin at about one thousand
dollars and may go as high as twenty-five hundred dollars. The cost
difference is mainly due to the fact of where each procedure is
performed; an office procedure vs. a hospital procedure."

http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/ste...zhisorhe_3.htm

But it's not really about cost, is it?

It's about taking responsibility.

And let's face it, he's responsible for where his semen ends up, and in
this day and age, I don't think it's reasonable for him to say that he
didn't know *all* of the potential consequences of his actions. So
here's a question:

How much is a condom?

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"Fred" wrote in message
. net...
Andre Lieven wrote:
"Tracy" ) writes:
"Gini" wrote in message
news:v25Vg.2469$6S2.1287@trndny02...
wrote
.............................
Deary, a vasectomy is cheaper than a month of child support. If you
don't want to breed, don't have sex with a fertile woman,
==
And how is he to know when she is fertile?
Isn't a vasectomy only cheaper than a month of child support if child
support is more than a vasecotmy? How much is a vasectomy?
How much is a tubal ligation ?

Here's something interesting:

"The cost of vasectomy is typically 3 to 4 times less than the cost of
tubal ligation. Although prices vary, regionally, vasectomy costs
generally range from about two hundrend fifty to one thousand dollars,
while the cost of tubal ligation often begin at about one thousand dollars
and may go as high as twenty-five hundred dollars. The cost difference is
mainly due to the fact of where each procedure is performed; an office
procedure vs. a hospital procedure."

14.5 years ago mine cost $750, which was covered by insurance.

Tracy

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"Gini" wrote in message news:cWfVg.34$We.13@trndny08...

"Phil" wrote
"Gini" wrote
"Phil" wrote
"Gini" wrote
wrote
.............................
Deary, a vasectomy is cheaper than a month of child support. If you
don't want to breed, don't have sex with a fertile woman,
==
And how is he to know when she is fertile?

He should follow her around with pen, pencil and a thermometer to keep
track of her periods and temperature.
==
Hehe--Cuz she can't count to 30, I guess.

Okay, I've got to ask - why '30'? If I used '30' for my cycle I would have
ended up having a dozen children! :)

Mine is easy. It is exactly 3 weeks plus 3 days from the last day to the
next start. They always last exactly 5 days. I always start within two
hours from the last start too. I can almost set a clock by my cycle.

Now a smart man would keep track of the full moom. Since I track my cycle
on the calendar, he will have the ability to figure out when we'd have a
wild night and when we wouldn't. :)

Tracy

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Ken Chaddock wrote:
Werebat wrote:



Phil wrote:

wrote in message
ups.com...

Dusty wrote:

The balance of power between male and female, father and mother,
has been
systematically destroyed in favor of female dominance at law. The
following
is a (short) list of female advantages over male.

1.. A married woman may legally abort her child without her husband's
permission. This underscores the materialistic view that the male
is merely
a sperm donor and that the child is not a person.



Any pregnant man can abort. A fetus is not a child.




And some men are forced to support his wife's child she created with
her lover. So what you're saying is that Scott Peterson didn't murder
his "unborn child"?
In man aborting, you are aware that mothers can absolve their
parenthood in a number of ways including abandoning the child after
birth, but the father does not have that right unless the mother
agrees... and you have no problem with it?



Any man can also abandon any child THAT HE GIVES BIRTH TO. So you
see, the system is equitable.


That's exactly like saying that any woman with a penis can be a
Doctor...

Yes. Exactly.

- Ron ^*^

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"Tracy" wrote
"Gini" wrote
"Phil" wrote
"Gini" wrote
"Phil" wrote
"Gini" wrote
==
And how is he to know when she is fertile?

He should follow her around with pen, pencil and a thermometer to keep
track of her periods and temperature.
==
Hehe--Cuz she can't count to 30, I guess.

Okay, I've got to ask - why '30'? If I used '30' for my cycle I would
have ended up having a dozen children! :)
==
It was arbitrary... .and the highest number a counting woman would have to
count to.
Just coverin' all the bases.

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"Gini" wrote in message news:9cCVg.60$WD1.42@trndny04...

"Tracy" wrote
"Gini" wrote
"Phil" wrote
"Gini" wrote
"Phil" wrote
"Gini" wrote
==
And how is he to know when she is fertile?

He should follow her around with pen, pencil and a thermometer to
keep track of her periods and temperature.
==
Hehe--Cuz she can't count to 30, I guess.

Okay, I've got to ask - why '30'? If I used '30' for my cycle I would
have ended up having a dozen children! :)
==
It was arbitrary... .and the highest number a counting woman would have to
count to.
Just coverin' all the bases.

Okay... :)

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Tracy wrote:
"Gini" wrote in message
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wrote
.............................

Deary, a vasectomy is cheaper than a month of child support. If you
don't want to breed, don't have sex with a fertile woman,

==
And how is he to know when she is fertile?


Isn't a vasectomy only cheaper than a month of child support if child
support is more than a vasecotmy? How much is a vasectomy?

A man can figure out when a woman is fertile by knowing her cycle. It
requires her sharing that information with him, but once the cycle is made
known it isn't hard to figure out when she is fertile during the month.
There is a small percentage of woman whose cycles are not consistant and
therefore using any type of method would fail.

Tracy, what you are describing is the only means of birth control
officially sanctioned by the Roman Catholic Church...it's called the
Rhythm Method and as the old joke goes:
"What do you call women who use the rhythm method of birth control ?"
"Mothers..."

....Ken

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"Tracy" wrote
"Gini" wrote
.................

Okay, I've got to ask - why '30'? If I used '30' for my cycle I would
have ended up having a dozen children! :)
==
It was arbitrary... .and the highest number a counting woman would have
to count to.
Just coverin' all the bases.

Okay... :)
==
Good to see you smile again :)

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"Ken Chaddock" wrote
.............................
Tracy, what you are describing is the only means of birth control
officially sanctioned by the Roman Catholic Church...it's called the
Rhythm Method
==
We all know that! The subject came up several weeks ago when Hy insisted
that
the man is 100% responsible for the sperm even after it fertilizes the egg.
I have repeatedly
reminded her that a woman can only get pg when she is fertile and only the
woman can
know when that is and it is HER responsibility to not have sex when she is
fertile. Hence,
men don't "get" women pregnant--women ALLOW themselves to get pregnant. The
counting
thing is a spoof on Hy's/feminists' contention that women are so weak and
dependent that they need the state
to protect them and men to support them. I disagree with that. I think women
are entirely capable
of surviving without such props and society should stop trying to convince
them that they are entitled to
such bolstering simply because they are the "weaker sex." That is what
feminism has done to our gender
and I, as a woman, despise it.

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"Ken Chaddock" wrote in message
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Tracy wrote:
"Gini" wrote in message
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wrote
.............................

Deary, a vasectomy is cheaper than a month of child support. If you
don't want to breed, don't have sex with a fertile woman,

==
And how is he to know when she is fertile?


Isn't a vasectomy only cheaper than a month of child support if child
support is more than a vasecotmy? How much is a vasectomy?

A man can figure out when a woman is fertile by knowing her cycle. It
requires her sharing that information with him, but once the cycle is
made known it isn't hard to figure out when she is fertile during the
month. There is a small percentage of woman whose cycles are not
consistant and therefore using any type of method would fail.

Tracy, what you are describing is the only means of birth control
officially sanctioned by the Roman Catholic Church...it's called the
Rhythm Method and as the old joke goes:
"What do you call women who use the rhythm method of birth control ?"
"Mothers..."

...Ken

ironically the rhythm method served me better than the pill. ;-)

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"Gini" wrote in message
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"Tracy" wrote
"Gini" wrote
................

Okay, I've got to ask - why '30'? If I used '30' for my cycle I would
have ended up having a dozen children! :)
==
It was arbitrary... .and the highest number a counting woman would have
to count to.
Just coverin' all the bases.

Okay... :)
==
Good to see you smile again :)

I'm not only smiling, but doing thousands time better than a few weeks ago.
A couple of weeks ago I went through some really hard times, but after
something went 'snap' I made a phone call which landed me in the hospital
for six days. It gave me a different perspective on life and provided me
with the time I needed to really put things in perspective. Everyone I've
spoken to and seen has noticed a huge difference. Now I'm looking into the
future and have compiled both short term and long term goals. I haven't
felt this alive in a very long time. I told my counselor today that I
finally feel safe and no longer feel I need to box myself in at home. I
still have my limits, but where those limits are I don't know. I now feel
totally comfortable speaking my mind and going through what I am without
fear of giving up my morals & beliefs. :)

Tracy

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"Gini" wrote in message news:0NCVg.263$ms1.59@trndny05...

"Ken Chaddock" wrote
............................
Tracy, what you are describing is the only means of birth control
officially sanctioned by the Roman Catholic Church...it's called the
Rhythm Method
==
We all know that! The subject came up several weeks ago when Hy insisted
that
the man is 100% responsible for the sperm even after it fertilizes the
egg. I have repeatedly
reminded her that a woman can only get pg when she is fertile and only the
woman can
know when that is and it is HER responsibility to not have sex when she is
fertile.

What if your husband doesn't show respect to his wife saying "not tonight"?
How can she prevent sex if he says "I just want to make love to my wife" and
proceeds with the act. Of course I don't consider it "making love" when one
party is saying 'no', but I have known those who don't share the same view
as me.

Tracy

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"Tracy" wrote
"Gini" wrote

"Tracy" wrote
..........................................

Okay... :)
==
Good to see you smile again :)

I'm not only smiling, but doing thousands time better than a few weeks
ago. A couple of weeks ago I went through some really hard times, but
after something went 'snap' I made a phone call which landed me in the
hospital for six days. It gave me a different perspective on life and
provided me with the time I needed to really put things in perspective.
Everyone I've spoken to and seen has noticed a huge difference. Now I'm
looking into the future and have compiled both short term and long term
goals. I haven't felt this alive in a very long time. I told my
counselor today that I finally feel safe and no longer feel I need to box
myself in at home. I still have my limits, but where those limits are I
don't know. I now feel totally comfortable speaking my mind and going
through what I am without fear of giving up my morals & beliefs. :)
=
Just like old times--Godspeed.

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"Tracy" wrote
"Gini" wrote
...................................
I have repeatedly
reminded her that a woman can only get pg when she is fertile and only
the woman can
know when that is and it is HER responsibility to not have sex when she
is fertile.

What if your husband doesn't show respect to his wife saying "not
tonight"? How can she prevent sex if he says "I just want to make love to
my wife" and proceeds with the act.
==
I've never been in that situation. My guess is though that *most* conjugals
resulting
in pregnancy are mutually engaged in.

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"Gini" wrote in message
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"Tracy" wrote
"Gini" wrote
..................................
I have repeatedly
reminded her that a woman can only get pg when she is fertile and only
the woman can
know when that is and it is HER responsibility to not have sex when she
is fertile.

What if your husband doesn't show respect to his wife saying "not
tonight"? How can she prevent sex if he says "I just want to make love to
my wife" and proceeds with the act.
==
I've never been in that situation. My guess is though that *most*
conjugals resulting
in pregnancy are mutually engaged in.

I agree.

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"Fred" wrote in message
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Andre Lieven wrote:
"Tracy" ) writes:
"Gini" wrote in message
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wrote
.............................
Deary, a vasectomy is cheaper than a month of child support. If
you
don't want to breed, don't have sex with a fertile woman,
==
And how is he to know when she is fertile?
Isn't a vasectomy only cheaper than a month of child support if
child support is more than a vasecotmy? How much is a vasectomy?
How much is a tubal ligation ?

Here's something interesting:

"The cost of vasectomy is typically 3 to 4 times less than the cost of
tubal ligation. Although prices vary, regionally, vasectomy costs
generally range from about two hundrend fifty to one thousand dollars,
while the cost of tubal ligation often begin at about one thousand
dollars and may go as high as twenty-five hundred dollars. The cost
difference is mainly due to the fact of where each procedure is
performed; an office procedure vs. a hospital procedure."

http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/ste...zhisorhe_3.htm

But it's not really about cost, is it?

It's about taking responsibility.

Apparently, it's about applying responsibility to only men as noted in
your next statement.


And let's face it, he's responsible for where his semen ends up, and
in this day and age, I don't think it's reasonable for him to say that
he didn't know *all* of the potential consequences of his actions. So
here's a question:

Another question: If men are responsible for their semen, do women have
any responsibility for allowing it near their egg?
Second question: If it is reasonable for a man to know *all* the
potential consequences of his actions, is it any less reasonable for
women to also know, which negates abortion on demand as a reasonable
response to accidental pregnancy?


How much is a condom?

Less than a dollar; how reliable are they?
Phil #3

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Phil wrote:
"Fred" wrote in message
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Andre Lieven wrote:
"Tracy" ) writes:
"Gini" wrote in message
news:v25Vg.2469$6S2.1287@trndny02...
wrote
.............................
Deary, a vasectomy is cheaper than a month of child support. If
you
don't want to breed, don't have sex with a fertile woman,
==
And how is he to know when she is fertile?
Isn't a vasectomy only cheaper than a month of child support if
child support is more than a vasecotmy? How much is a vasectomy?
How much is a tubal ligation ?
Here's something interesting:

"The cost of vasectomy is typically 3 to 4 times less than the cost of
tubal ligation. Although prices vary, regionally, vasectomy costs
generally range from about two hundrend fifty to one thousand dollars,
while the cost of tubal ligation often begin at about one thousand
dollars and may go as high as twenty-five hundred dollars. The cost
difference is mainly due to the fact of where each procedure is
performed; an office procedure vs. a hospital procedure."

http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/ste...zhisorhe_3.htm

But it's not really about cost, is it?

It's about taking responsibility.

Apparently, it's about applying responsibility to only men as noted in
your next statement.

Your bigotry is showing. But on we go ...

And let's face it, he's responsible for where his semen ends up, and
in this day and age, I don't think it's reasonable for him to say that
he didn't know *all* of the potential consequences of his actions. So
here's a question:

Another question: If men are responsible for their semen, do women have
any responsibility for allowing it near their egg?

Sure. Everyone is responsible in their areas of responsibility.

What you can't do is to hang all responsibility on one of the sexes.

Second question: If it is reasonable for a man to know *all* the
potential consequences of his actions, is it any less reasonable for
women to also know, which negates abortion on demand as a reasonable
response to accidental pregnancy?

Your bigotry is getting in the way again.

Abortion *is* one of the potential consequences.

How much is a condom?

Less than a dollar; how reliable are they?

If you're concerned, then be responsible in your area of responsibility,
because, at the end of the day, you are responsible for where your semen
ends up, because it's *your* semen. If you don't want it to be
somewhere, don't put it there.

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"Fred" wrote in message
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Phil wrote:
"Fred" wrote in message
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Andre Lieven wrote:
"Tracy" ) writes:
"Gini" wrote in message
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wrote
.............................
Deary, a vasectomy is cheaper than a month of child support. If you
don't want to breed, don't have sex with a fertile woman,
==
And how is he to know when she is fertile?
Isn't a vasectomy only cheaper than a month of child support if child
support is more than a vasecotmy? How much is a vasectomy?
How much is a tubal ligation ?
Here's something interesting:

"The cost of vasectomy is typically 3 to 4 times less than the cost of
tubal ligation. Although prices vary, regionally, vasectomy costs
generally range from about two hundrend fifty to one thousand dollars,
while the cost of tubal ligation often begin at about one thousand
dollars and may go as high as twenty-five hundred dollars. The cost
difference is mainly due to the fact of where each procedure is
performed; an office procedure vs. a hospital procedure."

http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/ste...zhisorhe_3.htm

But it's not really about cost, is it?

It's about taking responsibility.

Apparently, it's about applying responsibility to only men as noted in
your next statement.

Your bigotry is showing. But on we go ...

And let's face it, he's responsible for where his semen ends up, and in
this day and age, I don't think it's reasonable for him to say that he
didn't know *all* of the potential consequences of his actions. So
here's a question:

Another question: If men are responsible for their semen, do women have
any responsibility for allowing it near their egg?

Sure. Everyone is responsible in their areas of responsibility.

What you can't do is to hang all responsibility on one of the sexes.

Second question: If it is reasonable for a man to know *all* the
potential consequences of his actions, is it any less reasonable for
women to also know, which negates abortion on demand as a reasonable
response to accidental pregnancy?

Your bigotry is getting in the way again.

Abortion *is* one of the potential consequences.

No it isn't! Pregnancy can be a consequence of having sex. But abortion is
a CHOICE--not a consequence! Are you also saying that leaving the child a a
drop-off center (or in a trash can) is a consequence of sex? How about
child abuse? Is child abuse a consequence of sex, too? There is a huge
difference between consequences and choices!


How much is a condom?

Less than a dollar; how reliable are they?

If you're concerned, then be responsible in your area of responsibility,
because, at the end of the day, you are responsible for where your semen
ends up, because it's *your* semen. If you don't want it to be somewhere,
don't put it there.

And if it his semen, then 50% of the product is also his. So 50/50 joint
custody should be the norm---not the CP/NCP nonsense we have today.

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teachrmama wrote:

Second question: If it is reasonable for a man to know *all* the
potential consequences of his actions, is it any less reasonable for
women to also know, which negates abortion on demand as a reasonable
response to accidental pregnancy?
Your bigotry is getting in the way again.

Abortion *is* one of the potential consequences.

No it isn't!

Sure it is! Your bigotry is distorting your understanding of the nature
of consequences.

Pregnancy can be a consequence of having sex.

And abortion can be a consequence of pregnancy. Doesn't have to be, but
it can be. It's one a of a range of possible consequences of pregnancy,
others of which are adoption and carrying to term. All are consequences.

If your bigotry were not clouding your judgment, you'd know that.

And if he opposes abortion, then he had better be careful not to
contribute to the conditions where abortion becomes a possible
consequence. He can do that by keeping it in his pants. He can do that
by sheathing it in a condom. He can do that by ... wait for it ... being
responsible. What he can't do is to leave his semen lying around where
it can cause who knows what consequences, then disavow any and all
responsibility for those consequences, as in the sanctimonious statement
that I read from time to time, something like "her body, her choice, her
responsibility", to which I say, "His semen, his choice, his
responsibility."

How much is a condom?
Less than a dollar; how reliable are they?
If you're concerned, then be responsible in your area of responsibility,
because, at the end of the day, you are responsible for where your semen
ends up, because it's *your* semen. If you don't want it to be somewhere,
don't put it there.

And if it his semen, then 50% of the product is also his. So 50/50 joint
custody should be the norm---not the CP/NCP nonsense we have today.

I agree. Both parties are responsible for their actions.

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"Fred" wrote in message
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teachrmama wrote:

Second question: If it is reasonable for a man to know *all* the
potential consequences of his actions, is it any less reasonable for
women to also know, which negates abortion on demand as a reasonable
response to accidental pregnancy?
Your bigotry is getting in the way again.

Abortion *is* one of the potential consequences.

No it isn't!

Sure it is! Your bigotry is distorting your understanding of the nature of
consequences.

Pregnancy can be a consequence of having sex.

And abortion can be a consequence of pregnancy.

NO, abortion is a CHOICE! A choice made by the woman who has found out
about the consequence of sex called pregnancy. It is not a consequence.

Doesn't have to be, but
it can be. It's one a of a range of possible consequences of pregnancy,
others of which are adoption and carrying to term. All are consequences.

No, they are not. They are choices. Far different from consequnecse.


If your bigotry were not clouding your judgment, you'd know that.

If your foolishness were not clouding your judgement you would realize that
choices and consequences are different.


And if he opposes abortion, then he had better be careful not to
contribute to the conditions where abortion becomes a possible
consequence.

Choice

He can do that by keeping it in his pants. He can do that
by sheathing it in a condom. He can do that by ... wait for it ... being
responsible. What he can't do is to leave his semen lying around where it
can cause who knows what consequences, then disavow any and all
responsibility for those consequences, as in the sanctimonious statement
that I read from time to time, something like "her body, her choice, her
responsibility", to which I say, "His semen, his choice, his
responsibility."

What does any of that have to do with the fact that abortion is a choice?

And how about doing away with the whining whimper of HE got me pregnant.
How about convincing women to say "I stripped outa my panties and screwed my
brains out and now I am pregnant and have to make a choice of how to deal
with this consequence of my foolish behavior." rather than always blaming
the man. Do you think that, also, might be an improvement?



How much is a condom?
Less than a dollar; how reliable are they?
If you're concerned, then be responsible in your area of responsibility,
because, at the end of the day, you are responsible for where your semen
ends up, because it's *your* semen. If you don't want it to be
somewhere, don't put it there.

And if it his semen, then 50% of the product is also his. So 50/50 joint
custody should be the norm---not the CP/NCP nonsense we have today.

I agree. Both parties are responsible for their actions.

And both should have the honor and privilege of raising the child, INCLUDUNG
providing for the financial needs of raising the child--no more "but I'm
just a poor little woman who was impregnated by that bad old man and now he
OWES me."

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teachrmama wrote:

[bigotry deleted]

It is obvious to me that your bigotry is so clouding your judgment as to
make reasoned discourse impossible.

Have a nice day.

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"teachrmama" wrote in

And both should have the honor and privilege of raising the child,
INCLUDUNG providing for the financial needs of raising the child--no more
"but I'm just a poor little woman who was impregnated by that bad old man
and now he OWES me."

Young woman these days are raised with the notion that men will owe them on
termination of any relationship. Divorce and CS laws have not helped
relationships, they have crippled them to the point that men are now held
hostage to a family court's will. How did we ever go from the model 50's
family to the highly dysfunctional relationships of today?

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"Fred" wrote in message
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Phil wrote:
"Fred" wrote in message
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Andre Lieven wrote:
"Tracy" ) writes:
"Gini" wrote in message
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wrote
.............................
Deary, a vasectomy is cheaper than a month of child support. If
you
don't want to breed, don't have sex with a fertile woman,
==
And how is he to know when she is fertile?
Isn't a vasectomy only cheaper than a month of child support if
child support is more than a vasecotmy? How much is a vasectomy?
How much is a tubal ligation ?
Here's something interesting:

"The cost of vasectomy is typically 3 to 4 times less than the cost
of tubal ligation. Although prices vary, regionally, vasectomy costs
generally range from about two hundrend fifty to one thousand
dollars, while the cost of tubal ligation often begin at about one
thousand dollars and may go as high as twenty-five hundred dollars.
The cost difference is mainly due to the fact of where each
procedure is performed; an office procedure vs. a hospital
procedure."

http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/ste...zhisorhe_3.htm

But it's not really about cost, is it?

It's about taking responsibility.

Apparently, it's about applying responsibility to only men as noted
in your next statement.

Your bigotry is showing. But on we go ...

Equality is bigotry??? I suppose freedom is slavery as well?


And let's face it, he's responsible for where his semen ends up, and
in this day and age, I don't think it's reasonable for him to say
that he didn't know *all* of the potential consequences of his
actions. So here's a question:

Another question: If men are responsible for their semen, do women
have any responsibility for allowing it near their egg?

Sure. Everyone is responsible in their areas of responsibility.

What you can't do is to hang all responsibility on one of the sexes.

So when an accidental pregnancy occurs, tell me again how it is the sole
responsibility of the man as in "And let's face it, he's responsible for
where his semen ends up..." as if the woman has no responsibility in the
matter. If you meant otherwise, why wouldn't you say so?


Second question: If it is reasonable for a man to know *all* the
potential consequences of his actions, is it any less reasonable for
women to also know, which negates abortion on demand as a reasonable
response to accidental pregnancy?

Your bigotry is getting in the way again.

How so?
I guess we're back to equality is bigotry, huh?
You seem to demand that men take steps to not cause an accidental
pregnancy while at the same time not hold women to the same demand even
though they are just as involved at the time before conception.


Abortion *is* one of the potential consequences.

....for the woman. How does this involve a man before pregnancy?


How much is a condom?

Less than a dollar; how reliable are they?

If you're concerned, then be responsible in your area of
responsibility, because, at the end of the day, you are responsible
for where your semen ends up, because it's *your* semen. If you don't
want it to be somewhere, don't put it there.

FYI, I am sterile by choice because there are so many idiots making
nonsense into law like making man solely responsible for pregnancy. You
are blaming men, while absolving women, total responsibility for
possible results from undertaking the same act. Holding people to a
standard based on their sex is bigotry; sexism.
And you say I'm bigoted???
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Phil #3