Why do parents keep doing this?
I'm a teen-ager and since the moment I found out what happened to me I
felt angry about it. Once I found what goes on during the procedure and what is lost, I felt sick. I know I was robbed of something special, and I'll never know what sex is really supposed to feel like. Why the hell do parents keep letting their baby boys get cut even if they know there are no real health benefits? Why? Does it matter to them whether or not their son *wants* to be that way? Does the risk of death, infections and disfigurement matter? Isn't the fact that there are tons of men ****ed off about it and stuck that way for the rest of their lives reason enough not to do it? I'm really curios as to why. Could any parent who has or is going to have their little boy cut clue me in? |
Why do parents keep doing this?
Lyle Benson wrote:
I'm a teen-ager and since the moment I found out what happened to me I felt angry about it. Once I found what goes on during the procedure and what is lost, I felt sick. Go away kid. If you have a problem with your parents go and see a shrink. He will help you through your hang-ups. |
Igor van den Hoven wrote:
See Briar's response, part of it is social conditioning: uncut = unclean, and another part is denial. While it's true that an uncircumcised penis isn't always unclean, the fact remains that a) it will become unclean faster than the circumcised model, and b) cleaning it is more involved. The foreskin, of course, is broadly speaking a fold of skin, under which is a warm, moist environment. The fold traps dead cells, urine, sweat, and - significantly - bacteria. Of course, the warm, moist environment is the perfect breeding ground for bacteria, and so they multiply, contributing to the foul smell of smegma as they do. Some have argued in the past that smegma is a natural product of the body, and so cannot be unclean. I simply ask those people why they bother washing at all. Having none of these characteristics, the circumcised penis behaves more like the surface of, say, your arm. Sure, cells are shed and sweat is produced and so on, but these quickly dry and are brushed off. Naturally, you still want to wash there, but it's less urgent. Briar feels the same thing, but he represses his feelings of being incomplete and keeps screaming inside that he is normal. Well, especially if he lives in the United States, he is normal, since the word means "conforming to social norms". But perhaps that wasn't what you meant. More likely is that he simply enjoys being circumcised and is thankful for it. I completely understand and share this viewpoint, for it is a great improvement on the original. |
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Jake Waskett wrote in message .uk...
Igor van den Hoven wrote: Not being cut Is gross women can get hepatitis C and clamitia,but you gay smelly foreskin men think It's great well as a women 100 percent of white women don't want to be with a smelly dirty uncircumcised prick. TO keep IT clean and not smelly and creamy cheese smeeling you would have to clean It about 6 times a day .Plus most Black men smell any way and so do their women all smelly priks& pussys wors the men give every one desases even you fag's and closet QUEENS.Love uncircumcised men nice and clean you don't throw up giving them head.....ninee1959 |
I was in elemtary school when when they did a quick "why boys are differnet
from girls" lesson in sixth grade (like we didn't know already by then! the difference was that girls had cooties!!) And for the boys class they went into all the changes we could look forward to in the next few years, what happens when.... etc. One of the things mentioned was cirumcision/intact. Thats when i knew i was cut. I was quite shocked. It wasn't till the internet became really widespread that i really understood what it was all about, stumbled into foreskin resetoration quite accidentally, decided thats what i would do. Was amazed at the response in sensitivity within just a few short weeks, course being in high school at the time my only sexual experience was in the one man band (wasn't circumcision supposed to prevent that?) and "letting out some pressure" went from being good... to excellent, like going from a small black and white TV to HDTV. Never was able to get serious about restoring till i finished college, but having excellent results since restarting. What the cutters keep bringing up is the same broken record... the first thing they complain about is smell and cleanliness... OK you do have to clean it... but it takes no more time than cleaning a cut prick... while in the shower, just skin the foreskin back a few times and let teh water rinse out what little smegma has accumulated since your last shower. Then they talk about disease prevention. Fine and dandy that a well rounded scientific study states that circumcision may prevent HIV, and there may yet be scientific evidence of that, but lets face it, if you are cut or uncut and boffin someine else thats HIV+ its like playing russian roulette, any reducion in risk would be minimal, and doubtful it will conteract the risk of complications of circumcision. Several boys a year die from circumcision, usually a result of postop infection, some are horribly disfigured by the "simple operation", some are cut so badly that they get a "Gender Reassignment" and are raised as girls. (Notice how the circ prevents such and such disease changes regularly, was cancer until a few weeks ago) Or they are like me, and are cut so tightly that an erection was painful (thats how i sumbled on restoration, trying to learn about painful erection), within a few weeks my skin was stretched enoug to finally allow a normal erection. Some people argue about the cosmetic appeal of a cut penis, frankly i don't pay attention to how other guy's dicks look in the shower, if someone stares at my member in its partially covered state, they are either gay or envious. Some people argue it as a matter of faith, and I really won't argue with that, but do think that the rite should be a voluntary sacrifice by the recipient, virtue without the freedom to choose that virtue is not a virtue at all. (lets expand on that sentence on a brief tangent, As an American I have the freedom to go to the liquor store and buy some booze, get **** faced drunk, then get on with my life, but i choose NOT to consume alcohol, a virtue common in my church, but the fact that i CHOOSE not to drink is what makes it a virtue, if it was a legal prohibition it would simply be covering my ass). The bottom line is that it is YOUR PENIS. Not anyone elses, its not anyones right to tell you to get cut or to stay intact, or to even restore for that matter, and anyone who focuses on making sure everyone is "Cut" is just as guilty of having a penis fettish as they will surely accuse me of having. I personally could care less that a person is cut or not, but i really wish people had the simple choice to decide how they wanted to look. I call cutters ideas bull**** as much as they call my ideas bull****, but its YOUR penis and YOUR happiness that matters, if you like it, fine, if you don't like it, get it cut, start restoring it, but thats YOUR choice, its just a shame that like most american boys you did NOT get the initial choice to begin with. Some say women don't like uncut penii..... well i'm at a school now that has a large dutch contingent (a nation with a very very low incidence of circumcision, and those guys don't have ANY problem getting action if they want it, if being uncut was undesirous i suspect the girlfriend retention incidence woudl be quite low for them! And frankly is a girl is so damn shallow to fall in love with my penis, instead of me, i don't want them. Long rant here, and i know its gonna draw fire, but i've had enough. 87% of all statistics are made up on the spot 76% of the people believe those statistics without question. Why don't you be one of the other 24%? "Lyle Benson" wrote in message om... I'm a teen-ager and since the moment I found out what happened to me I felt angry about it. Once I found what goes on during the procedure and what is lost, I felt sick. I know I was robbed of something special, and I'll never know what sex is really supposed to feel like. Why the hell do parents keep letting their baby boys get cut even if they know there are no real health benefits? Why? Does it matter to them whether or not their son *wants* to be that way? Does the risk of death, infections and disfigurement matter? Isn't the fact that there are tons of men ****ed off about it and stuck that way for the rest of their lives reason enough not to do it? I'm really curios as to why. Could any parent who has or is going to have their little boy cut clue me in? |
Amy wrote:
"nooneimportant" no.spam@me wrote in message news:RmyTc.123970$8_6.43841@attbi_s04... Long rant here, and i know its gonna draw fire, but i've had enough. 87% of all statistics are made up on the spot 76% of the people believe those statistics without question. Why don't you be one of the other 24%? I promised myself I wouldn't respond to this thread, but I think this is actually the most sensible post I've seen on the issue. My experience is that those who promote the foreskin are shocking liars. Sensible you say? To "be" one of the minority just to be so? Are you also going to support those who want to legalize sex with children ... they are also in the minority. Are you also going to support those who believe that domestic rape is not a crime ... they are also in the minority. Or are you going to just jump to support those who support the foreskin for wild psychosexual reasons? |
Briar Rabbit wrote in message ...
Sensible you say? To "be" one of the minority just to be so? Actually, circumcised men are a minority worldwide. Freaky, isn't it? |
My experience is that those who promote the foreskin are shocking liars. Sensible you say? To "be" one of the minority just to be so? Are you also going to support those who want to legalize sex with children ... they are also in the minority. Are you also going to support those who believe that domestic rape is not a crime ... they are also in the minority. Or are you going to just jump to support those who support the foreskin for wild psychosexual reasons? Ok... now that is just the off the wall response that i find eerily typical. Somehow linking someones desire for intactness to pedaresty and rape..... Frankly sexual realationships with children is downright disgusting at the most basic level, and is rightly illegal in almost everyplace in the world, its a terrible trauma to the child that has horrible costs in long term health to the child. I personally have a cousin that was sexually abused as a child by her dad, she had psychological and developmental issues her whole life because of what that sick ******* did to her, even now, tho she had kids of her own, and a reasonably stable home, she is constantly plauged by what that sick son of a bitch did to her. So why in the HELL do you think an intactist would support such an idea, we have the childs health and integrity as a chief concern. Lets also jump on the whole rape idea, what in the HELL does rape have to do with circumcision? People that rape other people have something wrong in their heads other than being whole or cut. I don't know the psychological reasoning behind why a person commits rape so i won't jump into that, but I am 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% sure that circumcision or noncircumcision plays absolutely no part in the issue. (in fact i am willing to bet that psychological scars left by childhood rape may play a significant part in some instances!, but nowhere near all) Weather a rape happens in a dark alleyway, or in the bed of a married couple is insignificant, rape is rape, and is perpetuated by people that have other issues than being cut or intact. Rape is justifiably immoral and illegal, and has a horrible cost to victems over a lifetime. Wild psycosexual reasons? Look in the mirror buddy, why are you so millitant on cutting people? Perhaps the same reason I am so millitant on letting people choose weather they want to be cut? Your fantasy for wanting someone cut can only be explianed by an innate sexual desire, wow... isn't that the same accusation you make against intactivists? Sure you bring scientific evidence that supports your belief, and so do we, we choose to ignore your science, you choose to ignore our science. Frankly we arent much different (and yes i know you are dying to type "yeah but we're not ****wits" a typical response from people who don't like to be questioned). |
In message , Briar Rabbit
writes Amy wrote: "nooneimportant" no.spam@me wrote in message news:RmyTc.123970$8_6.43841@attbi_s04... Long rant here, and i know its gonna draw fire, but i've had enough. 87% of all statistics are made up on the spot 76% of the people believe those statistics without question. Why don't you be one of the other 24%? I promised myself I wouldn't respond to this thread, but I think this is actually the most sensible post I've seen on the issue. My experience is that those who promote the foreskin are shocking liars. In what way? Sensible you say? To "be" one of the minority just to be so? No. To be one of the uncircumcised, regardless of whether that's the minority or the majority, because it avoids unnecessary harm and discomfort. Are you also going to support those who want to legalize sex with children ... they are also in the minority. Nope. Are you also going to support those who believe that domestic rape is not a crime ... they are also in the minority. Nope. Or are you going to just jump to support those who support the foreskin for wild psychosexual reasons? I don't know, as I haven't heard the wild psychosexual reasons. Of course, I've heard from several men who support keeping the foreskin because sex is more pleasurable with a foreskin, but making sex more pleasurable doesn't strike me as a wild reason. All the best, Sarah -- "I once requested an urgent admission for a homeopath who had become depressed and taken a massive underdose" - Phil Peverley |
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