On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 03:03:43 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:24:03 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:
On Mon, 31 May 2004 23:24:48 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:
and were and had been savages for
thousands of years hunting with spears and they may have even had bows
and arrows. They ate wildebeest, antelope, monkeys, guineas, hyenas,
wild dogs and each other, etc., etc., etc.

That is true for all of mankind.

Not at all. Haven't you ever heard of the Greek and Roman
civilizations, for instance?

Yes. And the Greeks and Romans had ancestors who were uncivilized
savages who lived by hunting and gathering, just like all other human
beings, and most of the evidence indicates that all of these people
ultimate had ancestors who lived in Africa. But we don't know what
color those ancestors were.

The Greek and Roman civilizations existed about 2,000 years ago. They
contributed a great deal to the modern world.

Duh.

But their ancestors came from Africa just like yours. And even long
after they lived in Africa, they were
"savages for thousands of years hunting with spears and they may have
even had bows and arrows."

The Greeks had the greatest ancient civilization.

According to who? The Chinese probably feel differently.

And what about all those European societies that *weren't* Greek in
the same timeframe? What were their contributions to the world?

All of those
thousands of years the black savages in Africa were just savages
contributing nothing to the world.

1) Prove that they were savages.

2) Why should they "contribute something to the world"? The world
contributed nothing to them.

I'm sure that was the thinking of the very few who ever even thought
about contributing anything to the world. They did very little thinking
about anything except survival and where their next meal was coming
from. Any leisure time was probably spent sitting on a termite mound
saying "muhfugger". (in their primitive language, of course)

Holger
http://www.mind****.com/~holger1/holger1.htm
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You're delusional. We lived exactly that way till we had the where-
withall to do better, which only happens little by little, and only
randomly as an accidental circumstance that permitted improvement.

There wasn't anything random or accidental about the Greek civilization.
Some time ago I looked up Aristotle in Encyclopedia Britannica. There
were probably about 50 pages about him. I was really surprised at the
comment that was made at the beginning of the article right after giving
his approximate birth and death date. It was, "Aristotle contributed
more to the mind of western man that anyone who ever lived." He, also,
was Alexander The Great's tutor. Of course, Alexander conquered the
world, as they knew it.

Holger

We are no different than they are genetically, or even culturally,
as it was only a sick ignorant vicious streak in our culture that
allowed us to enslave people without conscience and to abuse other
cultures in the world to steal their resources and conquer another
continent from its peaceful resiedents, or we'd be living exactly
the same way! There's no nobility to western society, in fact we
are far more vicious than most of our victim cultures we looted
and pillaged and do still to this day! Or at least we have been,
we are finally just in the last 40 years beginning to develop a
conscience.
Steve


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