"Enquiring minds" makes frequent references in her comments below to
"stupid men," and the various ways in which they show their stupidity.
However, the whole tone of her message suggests that any man who has any
intimate contact with a woman is stupid -- particularly if the woman
exhibits the attitudes shown by "enquiring minds."

This is the kind of message that tells us much more about "enquiring
minds" than it does about the issues being discussed here.

Dusty is right. The balance of power between the sexes HAS been
destroyed. No man in his right mind would want to subject himself to the
sort of female tyranny that "enquiring minds" seeks to defend. Apparently,
the only male course of action that "enquiring minds" will permit is to
become involved with women who have substantial economic resources of their
own -- in other words, become gold-diggers.

As for me, I'm waiting until Anna Nicole Smith (aka the Widow Marshall)
gets her hands on her deceased oilman husband's millions. THEN, I'll make
my move. Is that good enough, "enquiring minds?" Does that take me out of
your category of the "stupid men?"

"enquiring minds" wrote in message
...
Dusty wrote:

The balance of power between male and female, father and mother, has been
systematically destroyed in favor of female dominance at law. The
following
is a (short) list of female advantages over male.

1.. A married woman may legally abort her child without her husband's
permission. This underscores the materialistic view that the male is
merely
a sperm donor and that the child is not a person.

No man need donate any sperm to any woman including his wife so there
would be
no need for an abortion consideration.

2.. Although a wife may abort without permission from her husband, he
cannot compel an abortion, even if the child is not his.

Again not an issue if the man is bright enough to wear a condom.

3.. A husband is legally and financially responsible for any child born
to
the marriage even though it is not his.
Not true unless he knowingly accept the child as his.


4.. Except for rich men and in cases of female default (prison,
abandonment, hospitalization, death, et.al.) women universally receive
custody of children and all that comes with it, the marital home and
child
support.
Only men who are stupid enough to marry a woman who earns less money is
faced with
this problem.



5.. Denial of court ordered visitation is common place and not punished
(yet failure to pay all your child support, for any reason, will cause
the
state to bring a myriad of punishments down on you).

Only spouses who are not civilized are denied visitiation which is
rare. Child support
is of prime imporance to taxpayers because if your sperm and her egg
produced offspring
society wants you and your wife to cover the expense of raising the
offspring right down
to the last cent. It is all about dollars and sense not law.

6.. Alienation, turning the kids against their father, is commonplace
and
tolerated by the courts.

When two idiots appear before a judge for a divorce, he has to work with
what is
before him.

7.. Any woman can tell any amount of lies in family court and not fear
prosecution for perjury.

Both men and women can lie in court and unless there is factual
independent
evidence beyond doubt to the contrary, then the lies cannot be proven
otherwise.
Prosecution for pergury is very important but giving parents a criminal
record
means the are basically unemployable for the rest of their lives which
in the
bigger picture does not serve the well being of the offspring they are
required
to support or society in general.

8.. Fathers routinely have their children taken from them by judges. In
most, if not all, states men are not allowed to have jury trials. Juries
would never do to families what judges do. State policy is executed via
the
judiciary.

Don't put your faith in juries when it comes to family matters. These
people are
taxpayers and good citizens of your community. They would be disgusted
at the thought
of two parents having a jury trial for a family matter and all the costs
of paying for
the jury because juries get paid, too. The also would not tolerate
stupid parents if they
existed.



9.. Women frequently scam the welfare system. When they are caught they
are not prosecuted or even made to pay back the money.
Again if a woman is on welfare the question is why? Single no children
is a
different matter. Married on welfare, where is the husband? married
with children,
where is the husband? Giving anyone a criminal record means they are
basically unemployable
for life so society in general is not in agreement with that position.
Society in general
wants everybody working and paying for their own upkeep rather tha yet
another tax burden.




10.. Women are the primary clients of the welfare state, not men.
Most women can get honest work in even the smallest of towns or villages
but for
men it is not quite that easy. Women on welfare speaks to a large
question of
what women and why?

11.. When an unmarried woman misrepresents her fecundity to a man, he
is
still financially liable for her unilateral decision to become pregnant.
No women becomes pregnant unless the guy is mentally challenged and
doesn't wear
a condom.

12.. If an unmarried woman becomes pregnant she may abort over the
objection of the man. If she decides to keep the child he cannot compel
an
abortion and will be held liable for child support.
Again stupid guys have stupid expensive things happen to them all the
time
and sometimes it involves women.


13.. Paternal grandparents have no rights of visitation with their
son's
children. For that matter neither do the maternal grandparents have
rights
of visitation - none that are enforced anyway.
Children are the responsibility of the custodial parent or parents. All
other
interested parties would be able to visit on a guest-visit basis.

14.. Any woman may call the police and allege physical abuse. Even
without
any physical evidence the male will be arrested, booked and placed into
the
system for prosecution. He must prove his innocence. He will be evicted
from
his home without due process of law and may have a personal protection
order
(restraining order) filed against him.

That is why it is important to choose the women you become involved in
very carefully.
Not any women is wise to become involved with.



15.. Any woman may allege sex abuse of one of her children and 800
years
of constitutional protections are thrown out the window. Without due
process
of law the man will be evicted from his home, arrested, booked, released
on
bail and prosecuted. He will have to pay child support. The allegation of
sex abuse may be used in family court to obtain permanent custody. He
will
have to pay tens of thousand of dollars for an attorney and all this
while
he is trying to fund a new residence. The custodial mother can smear his
name in public with impunity and even try to destroy his employment and
all
without fear of correction from the court. The woman does not have to
retain
an attorney to prosecute the sex abuse case; that the state does this for
her. If it is later discovered that she lied, the system will not
prosecute
her. The man will get his day in court after a year or two. But by then
he
has had his children taken from him and his property transferred to his
accuser.
If men and women of a relationship cannot get alone, the husband is
removed because
it is cheaper and quicker and wiser to remove the male rather than the
children and wife
because it disrupts the children's society setting in the neighbourhood
and community.

16.. After divorce there are often many conflicts that have to be
resolved
by the court. The custodial mother does not have to hire an attorney, the
court ancillary will represent her interest against the non-custodial
father. The father must hire an attorney. He may represent himself but
then
he has a fool for an attorney.

Again this relates to stupid men who marry women who earn less than they
do.


17.. The system is quick to increase child support and even base it on
overtime and/or second jobs. However, if a man loses overtime or his
second
job (or his primary job) he quickly falls into "arrears." The courts will
not make adjustments even if loss of income is not his fault - and in
some
cases, they may even increase the amount and call it "incentive" to find
another, high paying job (which, to them is the only thing an NCP should
ever seek, even if it's not in your chosen field or at your education
level)
so they can go after more "support" money.

Again this relates to stupid men who marry women who earn less than they
do.


18.. Draconian measures for collection of child support have been
federally mandated. These include seizure of assets, seizure of
professional
licenses and up to four years in prison (or more in some cases).
Arrearages
compound at exorbitant interest rates (some states charges up to 18% or
more
in interest alone!).


Again this relates to stupid men who marry women who earn less than they
do.
19.. Child support accrues for men in prison with above market interest
rates. Such men become "debt slaves" to the state. (See Title 42/Chapter
7/Subchapter IV/Part D/Subsection 666)

Again this relates to stupid men who marry women who earn less than they
do.
20.. Men are traumatized by divorce and loss of their children but the
courts will not tolerate a loss of income. The court will not adjust
child
support accordingly.


Again this relates to stupid men who marry women who earn less than they
do.