Phil wrote:
"Fred" wrote in message
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teachrmama wrote:

Second question: If it is reasonable for a man to know *all* the
potential consequences of his actions, is it any less reasonable
for women to also know, which negates abortion on demand as a
reasonable response to accidental pregnancy?
Your bigotry is getting in the way again.

Abortion *is* one of the potential consequences.
No it isn't!
Sure it is! Your bigotry is distorting your understanding of the
nature of consequences.

Pregnancy can be a consequence of having sex.
And abortion can be a consequence of pregnancy. Doesn't have to be,
but it can be. It's one a of a range of possible consequences of
pregnancy, others of which are adoption and carrying to term. All are
consequences.


Another choice is legal abandonment. All the post-conception choices are
available to women while none are available to men so why are choices he
is not allowed to make a consequence to the man?

Because he is responsible for where his semen ends up.

"His semen, his choice, his responsibility."

Sex may cause a pregnancy. Until a pregnancy occurs, both are equal in
deciding 1) to abstain from sex; 2) use contraception; 3) or do nothing,
hoping no pregnancy will occur. After pregnancy, the man has no choices
except those given by the woman and in fact, he may not even be aware a
pregnancy occurred. She is not even legally required to inform him.

He should have thought of that before the fact. He should have been
responsible before the fact, because he sure as hell is gonna have to
own up to his responsibilities after the fact. And even if someone else
was not as responsible as she might have been, that does not serve to
negate his responsibility in the matter.

"His semen, his choice, his responsibility."

If your bigotry were not clouding your judgment, you'd know that.

And if he opposes abortion, then he had better be careful not to
contribute to the conditions where abortion becomes a possible
consequence. He can do that by keeping it in his pants. He can do that
by sheathing it in a condom. He can do that by ... wait for it ...
being responsible. What he can't do is to leave his semen lying around
where it can cause who knows what consequences, then disavow any and
all responsibility for those consequences, as in the sanctimonious
statement that I read from time to time, something like "her body, her
choice, her responsibility", to which I say, "His semen, his choice,
his responsibility."

If men had the same 'outs' as women, then it would be equal.

You are confusing equality with sameness, a tactic frequently used to
evade responsibility.

Why am I not surprised? That, after all, is what your entire argument is
all about.

Pathetic.