Greegor wrote:
Charles:
Naw, they won't come up with another recording.
That's like asking the Moonies to change their religion.

You are probably correct. It would be exceedingly rare someone would
gather and release the very evidence themselves that show what
miserably failed human beings they ar.......oh, sorry. S'cuse me. I
forgot.

The CONTEXT of the spanking on the recording
is fragmented as well.

No, it's simply not totally clear. If one thinks their way through it,
objectively, and let's go of their own self protective neuritic
filtering of the content it comes through pretty clearly. The child got
in trouble at school. She is terrified of what's coming...the rest all
there, quite clearly. You just can't deal with brutal reality and seek
some escape route.

If the parent gave the kid lots of freedom to manage
their own time, but demanded scholastic performance,
and the kid WASTED lots of time goofing off, watching
TV, etc... and the clear message was that bad
performance was not acceptable, this might be
the FOLLOW THROUGH.

If wishes were horses beggers would ride. But they aren't.

And your premise isn't very reasonable or likely in a family that does
not use terrorist parenting tactics on their children. I've found
children from the kinds of families mine was have children that are
exceedingly, to the point of worry sometimes, self managing and
voracious learners. One has to remind them that play is a task for
their minds and bodies, and a learning in and of itself.

It's possible this is
just the child come uppance for their bad choices.

"Come uppance" [sic]. Now there's a venerable old rationale for doing
harm to others. I wonder at its etiology.

Hmm..interesting that it means getting one's just rewards, bad...OR
GOOD.

Isnt' that nice.

Alternatively, Kane and others would call somebody
a CONTROL FREAK if they would up front prevent
the wasted time and MICRO MANAGE the situation.

No, just stupid if they were not supporting the child's natural desire
to learn and forcing learning on them. One of humanities more ugly
follies.
The rage, and stupidity, it creates is phenomenal. A good teacher
inspires, a lousy one perspires.

They set up a situation where no matter which way
a parent goes, they can FIND FAULT either way!

CPS? You are getting to slide on over into CPS chat now? R R R ...

You ever make an argument about CPS didn't wreak of just that ploy?

No, I don't find fault with parents for children that don't seem to be
performing. I blame society and a few dozen generations that
forgot..well let it be stolen from them...that humans are avid lifelong
learners.

The burghers, merchants of the age of enlightment, used their wealth to
hire teachers for them...themselves, so they might become more aware of
the world and other ways of seeing, and being shown new things.

I hear they named their little private schools, "University" because
that is what they wanted to know more of..the universe. And they had
never gone to public school. Most were unlettered to start with, so
monks were among the first hired to teach them to read and write.

I view micro management as comparable to
training wheels, taken off as the kid learns to
manage things appropriately THEMSELVES.

Of course you do because you are a classic Pavlovian Behaviorist. You
throttle the natural and powerful desire to learn...about everything,
even about how to overcome a weak bladder sphincter. Instead of support
you impose YOUR beliefs about the right way.

Eistein would have been a shoe clerk, a lousy one no doubt, had his
parents been like you. As it was, they let this shy, dedicated jewish
orthodox child, a terribly slow learner, go at his own pace. He
couldn't even pass gymnasium (HS) math class testing. A dunce, but much
beloved by his parents who had complete trust that God knew what he or
she was doing with the boy.

In his adulthood he blossomed and look what happened. We would likely
not be communicating in this way with his ground breaking discoverys
about the nature (thus the operational reality) of the universe.

Tom Edison, deafenned by the boxing of his ears in school by the
teacher, because he day dreamed wonderfully imaginative dreams of doing
things in the real world...not the dusty dull classroom, or the study
table at home, was taken from school by his doting and concerned
mother, and the boy set up, with mother's support, an experiment lab in
the basement.

Again, we'd be waving flags at each other from hilltops to talk had he
not done the seminal work he did. I've heard similar strange parenting,
very permissive parenting of this type, producing other geniuses.

I've see what public school rated as slow learners, or learning
disabled. children could do when their parents in desparation took them
to school...and pretty much just let them play until the poison of
their forced learning had worn off....and then, jump back greegor. You
couldn't hold them back. But they did NOT progress according to any
schedule but their own.

Amazing kids. Well, now amazing adults.

When a person is micro managed, they generally
long VERY MUCH for the day they can manage
the situation themselves.

No, they die inside, and settle for either passivity and becoming
drones to be exploited in the market and the armies. Or they become
whining little passive ****ants that blame anyone but who they should
for their miserable petty crime filled lives.

Know any? I sure do. Not a one from the homeschooling and other
families that would not use pain, fear, coercion, on their children.

Is it possible the kid in this recording played
a CON by asserting they had grades under
control, and this spanking is because they were
being DISHONEST?

If pigs had wings they could fly, but don't look up.

Aren't LIES and DISHONESTY really the biggest
reasons for spanking?

No. Lies and dishonesty show either a very young child that is simply
modeling their parents interactions with them....every tell a kid a
fairytale, greegor? Why shouldn't they think, in their literalist way
(and they are that) that that is what talking with each other is
supposed to contain....lots of stories and fooling each other.

Or that the adult is so ****in' dangerous, like you, that the he or she
better get damn good damn quick at a whole set of similar survival
tactics. Lying is a pretty good one. We adults, under threat, tend to
use it a lot. You do. And I've made it a project to track your lies.

Perhaps Kane and
his sock puppets should be spanked?

I have no sock puppets, nor anyone shilling for me. I am quite alone.
Does that embolden you to try and spank me? Either figuratively here,
or literally in person?

Hmmmm....Well, I've been so busy getting all my down trees bucked and
split for winter I haven't been on the mat in about two months. I might
be rusty enough for you to "spank" me, but I wouldn't put any money on
a lazy jobless child torturing coward. One little slap and I have a
hunch you'll sobbing and blaming CPS, the little girl, and the nasty
ol' mean state of Iowa and it's missing FCRB offices.

Deviousness, deceipt, lies...

I'll let you on a secret. You, Doug, and others here that are long gone
have left tracks all over the place at how devious, deceptive, and
lying you really are. I let you slide along pretending to take you
seriously when I know what you've been up to...literally.

You are all a joke. Just as much as Neal was, and eventually you all
will be shown to be. And I won't have to do it...you will, either by
slips, or by requiring people to know about you and simply looking you
up.

You call someone a liar, and that tends to happen. They get very
interesting in YOUR veracity. You start pretending you have some great
revelation about their background, and you give license for them to
take a peek at yours. That's a foolishness a couple of you will pay
for, eventually, right here.

You are nothing more than a mentally limited and likely disturbed
cowardly liar. You're still out on the street by luck, nothing more.

And I'll decide when and how to expose you. In the meantime, enjoy
yourself. I'm enjoying this. And you are so easy to bait I'm almost
embarrassed. If it weren't for the child you ****ed over, I'd just
ignore you.

Kane