On 02 May 2004 20:17:53 GMT, (Thelittlewench)
wrote:

From: "TM

On 1-May-2004, (Thelittlewench) wrote:

From: "TM"

Parents should never discipline their children in this day and age.
Brats
are all the rage.

No sense in actually having well behaved children since no one else
does
anymore. Is that the logic?

You can have well behaved childrwn without hurting them. How can
you
listen to
that clip and even remotely think that treating another person
like that
is ok.

I simply do not fall into your psycosis and believe in the
obfuscation.

That is certainly your right. Its sorry that you would view *me *
as the
psychotic after hearing that clip however.

But keep deluding yourself. Don't let facts disway you. Trod along
soldier.

Facts? You stated that no one had well behaved children
anymore...yet damned
near everybody thinks its ok to spank them.....so what are you
saying? That
spanking doesnt work? Ah... good thinking on your part then! Trod
along
little soldier.

It's difficult to find the exact number of times the pro spanking
compulsives have touted the claim that spanking has to be good because
90% of US families are reported as doing so.

Then we get the same people decrying the crime rate for teens being so
high (never mind they are wrong of course....alolescent crime rates
have been dropping for years...I'd say as more and more schools found
it counterproductive to paddle).

Invariably if the spanking compulsive that visit's here sticks around
they finally cave to the facts. . . . and the facts are these:
spanking is not proven to work in the long term and only in extremely
limited circumstances in the short term, and it has high risks
involved.

The number parents that lose their children to the state for
"disciplinary spanking" is high enough to show that parents, many, if
not most, do NOT understand the limits and do NOT have enough self
control, even if there were definable limits to spanking for
discipline/hitting for abuse, to keep from crossing the line.

It's rather strange when one considers there is nothing that a child
cannot learn by means other than punishment. Not just physical
punishment but any punishment. It's simply a lousy teacher....or we
would have a much lower criminal ricidvicm rate.

Simple logic is beyond the spanking compulsives though. They can look
right at it and deny it. Spanking is a risk. Teaching can be done
without punishment, and in fact is more likely to be effective.
Punishment always has unwanted side effects, even if not discovered at
the time of the punishment.

Talk to folks that are math phobic about their childhood learning
experiences around math. There is no discipline but self discipline.

Kane