"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
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Holger Dansk wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:50:09 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:32:43 -0700, "Circe" wrote:
Holger Dansk wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:33:07 -0700, "Circe"
wrote:
Um, are you suggesting that Greek was the first language to have
vowels in it?

I'm not suggesting it but saying that it was.

Nonsense. It is *impossible* to speak without making vowel sounds.
Period.
Vowel sounds are a necessary requirement of human speech. And Greek is
hardly the first language invented by humans, let alone the first
language
to be represented by writing. Are you suggesting that the Egyptians (as
just
one example), who were capable of representing names like Osiris and
Amenhotep in hieroglyphs 2000 years before the Greek alphabet was
invented,
did not use vowel sounds in their languages or did not have words? Or
that
the Chinese, who have been writing their language down without
interruption
since 1200 BC (fully 400 years before Homer and the dissemination of the
Greek alphabet) do not now and did not when they began writing use vowels
when they spoke?

All I can say is that you are *sadly* misinformed.

Greek Alphabets

Apart from using the characters of the Greek alphabets as notations in
my maths and science classes, I don't know how to read Greek. (Sigh.
This is a real tragic.) Nor am I a linguist genius, since English is the
only language I know. English is the only language I can read and write.
(Judging by the number of spelling and grammar errors I had, I haven't
even fully mastered English.)

However, I can give you a brief history on the Greek alphabets.

Which is totally irrelevant. Language is primarily a spoken
phenomenon. Alphabets are merely one way to write down a language to
preserve it in readable form.

Every language of the world before Greek had vowels. Most of them had
NO way of being written, but they existed nonetheless. Some, the
Semitic languages, had ways of being written without vowels, because
if you know the language you can figure out the vowels, jst s ths
sntnc s ndrstndbl t mst ppl wh knw nglsh. Some, like Chinese, used
individual symbols for entire words, and thus displayed neither
consonants nor vowels. But written Chinese notwithstanding, Chinese
does have both consonants and vowels.

God help you. You are so messed up mentally. Get straightened out
quick. Life is too short. You will live it without even knowing what
was real and what was not. It seems that it may have been caused by too
much lying and being around people who do a lot.
--------------------------
People like you. You just got told about your ignorance again, so you
explode in insult instead of accepting your ignorance and trying to
become educated.
Steve

In what way did I get told, and told what? The ancient Greek civilization put
vowells in language. Of course, that means written language, Whathisname
keeps talking about noises that people made with their mouths from the
Neanderthal
on up. He has many loose screws. Most animals make noises and I suppose
he would say they are using vowells. That's laughable. Let's get real. We are
talking about written vowells here. That's the only kind you can have when you
are speaking about the first civilization to put vowells in language. We do not
have
CDs of people speaking thousands of years ago.

By the way, I have wondered why and how the Greeks were so far ahead of all of
the other civilizations in practically everything when they didn't have any
previous
civilizations to learn from. I think there is a possibility that they learned
from the Sumerians, the most ancient
of the civilizations, who may have had visitors from space (aliens) that they
learned from.
The Sumerians believed that the earth was round and that the planets (they said
there are 12)
revolved around the sun. Thats thousands of years before Galileo and other
astronomers
learned anything about it and before Columbus, in 1492 proved that the earth is
round.

How else could these ancient people figure out the solar system, etc. We just
recently discovered
that there are 10 planets instead of 9. Maybe there are 12.

You mention my getting educated. Does that mean that you are black. Black
people often stress and
talk about education as if it's some kind of medal that people get. A degree is
only a license to learn. They also
talk about reading as if they just learned how to read.

Holger