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I don't think that either parent should have rights that the other
parent
does not have, Chris!

Then you are also saying that neither parent should have any
responsibility
that the other does not. The problem with that is no one would ever
be
able
to choose which rights/responsibilities they want. Sounds marxist to
me.

What a bunch of crap! If you believe in free will any parent can
define
their own version of parental rights and responsibilities. Artifitial
rights and responsibilities thrush on divorced or single parents by
court
order are only enforcable as long as a parent alllows them to
interfer
with their free will to be a parent.


But you already know that. If a woman chooses to
bring a child into the world, ashe should not get an automatic
siphon
into
a
man's pocket. If she cannot afford the child and the man does not
wish
to
be a father, the child should be given to someone who can afford to
care
for
it. This country's insistence on paying women to bring children
into
the
world that they cannot afford to suport is ridiculous. But that
does
not
mean that I believe that no man should ever be responsible for a
child
simply because he does not have a uterus.

Nor do I. If he voluntarily accepts such responsibility, more power
to
him!

I say this right is more than voluntary. Fathers have every right to
reach out to their children and exert their parental rights
regardless
of
what any court says. The children get it in the long run. And
having
parental rights comes with having parental responsibilities. If you
want
the rights, you accept the responsibilities.

I think, Bob, that Chris resents having the responsibilities that ore
thrust upon him. Since he seeks no rights, he feels that he should
have
no
responsibilities--that it should all be his choice.

"Choice" is something which you know nothing about; except when it comes
to
a woman's choice to bear a child.

Liar, Chris. You ******choose****** to think of all women the same--as
users, and yourself as a poor widdle victim. That is a CHOICE you make.

Precisely WHAT did I say that leads you to believe so?

And, in order to continue to validate you choice to think that way, you
****choose**** to speak ill of all women, as if all women are the authors
of
your bitterness. Grow up, Chris.

Ok, I grew up. Now explain this "bitterness" to which you refer.



I vehemently disagree
with his idea that a man should be entitled to walk away from a child
at
any
time with no responsibilities because the man did not give birth.

That's because you incorporate the idea of being burdened with
responsibility for a choice which one is incapable of making.

Liar. You know you are lying, but you are doing so anyway, in order to
validate your own victimhood.

When did you change your mind?

I have said many, many times that today's
system is wrong, wrong, wrong. But you will only accept that if the
person
you are talking to agrees 100% with your own pathetic stand on men NEVER
having any responsibility toward children unless they magnanimously choose
to provide for children that they are in no way obligated to.

Why do you think it is pathetic to not be responsible for someone ELSE'S
choice?

Your solution
is as evil as the system you hate so passionately.

In YOUR opinion. Perhaps you should post on alt.opinion.