Holger Dansk wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 14:23:42 GMT, "Fletch F. Fletch"
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:50:09 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:32:43 -0700, "Circe"
wrote:
Holger Dansk wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:33:07 -0700, "Circe"
wrote:
Um, are you suggesting that Greek was the first language to
have vowels in it?

I'm not suggesting it but saying that it was.

Nonsense. It is *impossible* to speak without making vowel
sounds. Period. Vowel sounds are a necessary requirement of
human speech. And Greek is hardly the first language invented by
humans, let alone the first language to be represented by
writing. Are you suggesting that the Egyptians (as just one
example), who were capable of representing names like Osiris and
Amenhotep in hieroglyphs 2000 years before the Greek alphabet
was invented, did not use vowel sounds in their languages or did
not have words? Or that the Chinese, who have been writing their
language down without interruption since 1200 BC (fully 400
years before Homer and the dissemination of the Greek alphabet)
do not now and did not when they began writing use vowels when
they spoke?

All I can say is that you are *sadly* misinformed.

Greek Alphabets

Apart from using the characters of the Greek alphabets as
notations in my maths and science classes, I don't know how to
read Greek. (Sigh. This is a real tragic.) Nor am I a linguist
genius, since English is the only language I know. English is the
only language I can read and write. (Judging by the number of
spelling and grammar errors I had, I haven't even fully mastered
English.)

However, I can give you a brief history on the Greek alphabets.

Which is totally irrelevant. Language is primarily a spoken
phenomenon. Alphabets are merely one way to write down a language
to preserve it in readable form.

Every language of the world before Greek had vowels. Most of them
had NO way of being written, but they existed nonetheless. Some,
the Semitic languages, had ways of being written without vowels,
because if you know the language you can figure out the vowels,
jst s ths sntnc s ndrstndbl t mst ppl wh knw nglsh. Some, like
Chinese, used individual symbols for entire words, and thus
displayed neither consonants nor vowels. But written Chinese
notwithstanding, Chinese does have both consonants and vowels.

God help you. You are so messed up mentally. Get straightened out
quick. Life is too short. You will live it without even knowing
what was real and what was not. It seems that it may have been
caused by too much lying and being around people who do a lot.
After a while, you get to where you don't know what is real and
what is not. In other words you get out of contact with reality.
Get away from the people that you have been coming in contact with.
Talk to a psychologist and/or a psychiatrist that knows what they
are doing. Not one of these damn fool black nitwits that went to
the University of Wedowee, or whatever. Make sure they got their
degree/degrees from a school like Emory Univ, Duke, Harvard, Yale,
Dartmouth, Princeton, Univ of GA, etc., etc. Get at least 3
recommendations from physicians and 3 from others.

You 'forgot' to address his point. I suspect you have realized how
amateurish your original 'vowel' ideas were. This is a good thing.
No need to base your beliefs on nonsense.

Don't you see? He doesn't have a point and doesn't understand at all.

What I see is that you are in over your head. Bob and Circe have defanged
your argument, and you are left with only transparent forensic devices.
This is clear even to you, I imagine. Such is the problem with digging your
heels in before you know what you are talking about. You have no
face-saving exit.

Slainte,
Fletch