Doan you can't reach him. He, like Kane is stuck in their own self
righeousness hell which they made for themselves.

The ONLY way their 'truth' has any validity is by villifying every other
opinion and portraying anyone who disagrees with them as evil or abusive.

They are too stupid to understand that their methods are MUCH MORE abusive
than what most consider discipline and teaching because it can cause more
emotional distress on a child because they feel the parent' doesn't care
enough to set limits and teach their children. Oh yeah, they TRY to say
they set limits, but limits without any logical reinforcement are as good as
none at all.



"Doan" wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Gerald Alborn wrote:

Dennis Hancock wrote:

I don't even have a problem with your decision to use other methods on
your
children, and in fact have stated many times that most parents do
attempt
many different methods and find what works for THEIR child.

Works for their child? You mean what "works for them."

And you are the judge right, Jerry?

I seem to recall asking you what you mean by "works." I never did see an
answer.

Lot's of things may "work" if compliance to your every demand, or blind
obedience is your only objective. Is that your only concern? Now that
you're the
adult, do you mean by "works," "finally getting your way with others -
namely
children?" I have greater concern for children's healthy emotional
development
than what "works" to make life easier for parents. Why is this so far
beyond
your grasp?

Because it is none of your business, Jerry. Are you saying that your care
for other people's children MORE THAN THEIR OWN PARENTS?

and quite
often, use different methods for different siblins.

Why do so many, like you, decide that abuse works, and convince yourself
that it
isn't really abuse?

WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS ABUSE?

My whole problem with Kane is that he is attempting to portray ANYONE
who
uses any sort of physical discipline on their children as a monster
who
abuses children,

How are you able to accept that physical discipline is not abuse?
What logic
do you use to convince yourself that it's okay to hurt children in ways
that are
illegal to use on adults?

Are you saying that it is illegal for the police to use his batons???

Do you honestly believe there is no affect from
punitively inflicted pain on children, upon their young developing
emotions?

AND YOU THINK THERE IS? Let's me see you prove this, Jerry?

and without that, his logic falls apart, which is why he
refuses to accept any definitions given to him.

You mean definitions you create to give yourself the illusion that
hurting young
children is somehow good and has no damaging effects?

Do you think removing children from their parents is good and have no
damaging effects? Can you show me one "peer-reviewed" study in which
the non-cp alternatives are better under the same conditions???

He cannot understand that many parents use different levels of both
positive
and negative reinforcement on their children until they hopefully come
up
with what works. I tire of his nonsense and after reading this group
of
posts, will most assuredly filter his name out of my reading list and
let
him continue his rantings and ravings.

You may get that way with me, too. There are real reasons (rooted in
your own
painful childhood) why you want to deny the truth about the harmfulness
of
hurting children in the name of disciple. It's simply too painful to
bear.
Having people point your head at the truth and make you see it must
simply be
too much of an overload.

The problem is people like you who think that that they have the "truth".
But when pressed, it is nothing more than opinion. Tell me, Jerry, is
your childhood that "painful"???

Doan