"Fred" wrote in message
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Phil wrote:
"Fred" wrote in message
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Andre Lieven wrote:
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"Gini" wrote in message
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Deary, a vasectomy is cheaper than a month of child support. If
you
don't want to breed, don't have sex with a fertile woman,
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And how is he to know when she is fertile?
Isn't a vasectomy only cheaper than a month of child support if
child support is more than a vasecotmy? How much is a vasectomy?
How much is a tubal ligation ?
Here's something interesting:

"The cost of vasectomy is typically 3 to 4 times less than the cost
of tubal ligation. Although prices vary, regionally, vasectomy costs
generally range from about two hundrend fifty to one thousand
dollars, while the cost of tubal ligation often begin at about one
thousand dollars and may go as high as twenty-five hundred dollars.
The cost difference is mainly due to the fact of where each
procedure is performed; an office procedure vs. a hospital
procedure."

http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/ste...zhisorhe_3.htm

But it's not really about cost, is it?

It's about taking responsibility.

Apparently, it's about applying responsibility to only men as noted
in your next statement.

Your bigotry is showing. But on we go ...

Equality is bigotry??? I suppose freedom is slavery as well?


And let's face it, he's responsible for where his semen ends up, and
in this day and age, I don't think it's reasonable for him to say
that he didn't know *all* of the potential consequences of his
actions. So here's a question:

Another question: If men are responsible for their semen, do women
have any responsibility for allowing it near their egg?

Sure. Everyone is responsible in their areas of responsibility.

What you can't do is to hang all responsibility on one of the sexes.

So when an accidental pregnancy occurs, tell me again how it is the sole
responsibility of the man as in "And let's face it, he's responsible for
where his semen ends up..." as if the woman has no responsibility in the
matter. If you meant otherwise, why wouldn't you say so?


Second question: If it is reasonable for a man to know *all* the
potential consequences of his actions, is it any less reasonable for
women to also know, which negates abortion on demand as a reasonable
response to accidental pregnancy?

Your bigotry is getting in the way again.

How so?
I guess we're back to equality is bigotry, huh?
You seem to demand that men take steps to not cause an accidental
pregnancy while at the same time not hold women to the same demand even
though they are just as involved at the time before conception.


Abortion *is* one of the potential consequences.

....for the woman. How does this involve a man before pregnancy?


How much is a condom?

Less than a dollar; how reliable are they?

If you're concerned, then be responsible in your area of
responsibility, because, at the end of the day, you are responsible
for where your semen ends up, because it's *your* semen. If you don't
want it to be somewhere, don't put it there.

FYI, I am sterile by choice because there are so many idiots making
nonsense into law like making man solely responsible for pregnancy. You
are blaming men, while absolving women, total responsibility for
possible results from undertaking the same act. Holding people to a
standard based on their sex is bigotry; sexism.
And you say I'm bigoted???
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Phil #3