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Old October 12th 06, 12:43 PM posted to alt.mens-rights,alt.child-support,alt.support.divorce
Ken Chaddock
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Default Things to think of before you get married again..

Bob Whiteside wrote:

"Fred" wrote in message
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Bob Whiteside wrote:


I say you are on the wrong side of this issue, even for a feminist,


and

here

is why.

Have you ever looked at the dictionary definition of "feminism"? I was
astounded to find that it means ": the theory of the political,
economic, and social equality of the sexes". That makes a feminist an
advocate of the theory of the political, economic, and social equality
of the sexes.

And that definition makes a feminist a Marxist/Socialist ... Feminists


hate

Capitalism because it allows for inequality to occur as part of the


natural

order of human behavior.


And you, a masculinist, like capitalism precisely *because* it allows
for inequality, and specifically for male superiority and dominance
through control of the money.

It's always about the money with you masculinists. That's the mechanism
you wish to use to enforce your male superiority and dominance upon women.


So, I wondered, if you are not a feminist, which I am sure you would
agree is an accurate characterization, then what are you? That led me


to

the following:

"masculinist : an advocate of male superiority or dominance".

So let's see, feminists are for equality of the sexes, masculinists are
for male dominance.

That explains a lot ... (8-)

While you have your dictionary out look up "straw man". This one was a
classic. Set up a different argument. Then attack it. Then claim you


won

the argument.


Not at all. It's very relevant. Goes to motivation.


These laws don't work. Statistically only a couple of babies per year

are

dropped off at safe havens, but dozens are abandoned and left to die


by

their birth mothers.

And what is your problem with saving a couple of newborn children from
ending up dead in a dumpster? Get in the way of the masculinist point
of view, maybe?


[So I asked the questions immediately above, and Ken, as he usually
does, conveniently avoided answering them. I claim that he did not
answer them because in order to do so he would have to acknowledge his
masculinist world view, and specifically the desire for male superiority
and dominance, even at the expense of the lives of a few babies.]


But let's return to yet another question that you have studiously
avoided answering:

You have two choices: save the child, or see it die in a dumpster.


Which

do you choose?

Let's have an honest answer this time.

Save the baby. BUT ...


BUT nothing, Ken. You can't side with saving the baby while condemning
the program that saved the baby, because without the program that saved
the baby, the baby ends up dead in a dumpster. And I don't care if it
only saves a few babies, that's a few that, in your world, would have
ended up dead in a dumpster.

I really do believe, Ken, that you would be willing to see those babies
dead in a dumpster if it meant that you could once again enforce your
masculinist ideas of male superiority and dominance over women, as those
ideas were enforced in the past.

You claim to want equality. I do not believe you. I believe that you
want inequality, as evidenced by your comments regarding capitalism
quoted above, by your extreme reluctance to answer admittedly difficult
questions lest they reveal your masculinist agenda of dominance and male
superiority, and by the generally masculinist world view that flows
through your many messages.

So I guess that we're going to have to agree to disagree, on a number of
subjects:

I support equality of the sexes. You support male superiority and


dominance.

To me, it's about saving the baby. To you, it's about asserting male
superiority and dominance through control of the money.

To me, it's about taking responsibility. To you, it's about using the
irresponsibility of others to justify your own irresponsibility.

That being said, I can see no constructive purpose in continuing this
conversation.

Enjoy your day, Ken. Try not to hate too much.



Actually it's me again. You responded to Ken as if he is me. And then you
responded to me as if I am Ken. Are you having your period? Or is this
just PMS? What a freakin' loony!


But Bob, you must admit that "Fred" is great for comic relief...I
haven't laughed so much in a long time... :-)

....Ken