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snack problem at gym daycare
so they have a rule that snacks must be nut free, fair enough, I can see
that when you've got children all sitting down together, even with the best supervision etc. you can't always stop a child reaching over and sampling someone elses. But, pretty much everything you buy says something like "packaged in a factory that processes tree nuts" and I'd assumed that was fine and so far it has been, then today, I arrived to find that Ada had had her snack taken away from her, not just that they'd not given it to her, but that she'd been sat down, the packet had been opened and then it had been taken away from her, thankfully she was fine when I came to pick her up, but she also dived straight into her bag to get them when I got it down from the cubby. Firstly, I feel that they shouldn't have taken the snack away from her, if the staff member had a genuine concern, she should have been put in a high chair, out of reaching distance from other kids and me been informed at the end that that snack wasn't suitable. Secondly, I don't think this snack should even have been an issue at all, I'd put money on at least a proportion of the other kids snacks that had been decanted from larger containers would have said similar on the large container. DS has the same snack in a different room without a problem and both had had the same snack in the past without a problem. It happens that the staff member that had dealt with this was "in training", so it's something she's going to take up with her supervisor, I'm worried that it will go the wrong way and that all staff will be advised that such products are not suitable and we'll find providing appropriate snacks more difficult in future. It's all very well suggesting fruit, but at 18mths, all fruits are still a bit of a choking risk and require more supervision than she's going to get in that setting. Which leaves decanting things which already have the warning on, which is a bit two-faced. Am I really naive in thinking that such products are ok? It would seem to me that they fall into the category where, that's why you have an epipen? Anne |
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snack problem at gym daycare
In article , Anne Rogers says...
so they have a rule that snacks must be nut free, fair enough, I can see that when you've got children all sitting down together, even with the best supervision etc. you can't always stop a child reaching over and sampling someone elses. But, pretty much everything you buy says something like "packaged in a factory that processes tree nuts" and I'd assumed that was fine and so far it has been, then today, I arrived to find that Ada had had her snack taken away from her, not just that they'd not given it to her, but that she'd been sat down, the packet had been opened and then it had been taken away from her, thankfully she was fine when I came to pick her up, but she also dived straight into her bag to get them when I got it down from the cubby. If there happens to be a child with a severe nut allergy, yes indeed something like that can be a problem. ::snip:: Am I really naive in thinking that such products are ok? It would seem to me that they fall into the category where, that's why you have an epipen? I've seen this kind of sentiment before, and I really have to nip it in the bud. Epipens are NOT NOT NOT a fix. Not any more than having a defribrillator on hand would make it OK to make a kid with a heart problem run a mile in P.E.! It's something to be used in an emergency, and such an emergency would STILL mean a trip to the hospital, and may not save a life when used. It's something that MAY work to stave off life-threatening anaphylaxis. OK? It's not "whoopsie, oh well, there's the epipen". All that said, I *do* think that, if there is such a concern, providing snacks (if they're even needed) should be the sole reponsibility of the staff. So that one person can know the concerns and provide the appropriate snacks, instead of expecting gosh-knows-how-many people who aren't really educated on the concerns (such as yourself) to do this. This really should be out of your hands and you shouldn't be hassled about it. Another thing on the practical side though - if this is the gym daycare, you're there for - how long? An hour? Hour and a half? If kids needed a snack with that frequency, Mother Nature would have assured our extinction long ago! Consider not bringing a snack at all, maybe providing one just beforehand if the timing is too far from a meal. Banty |
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Anne Rogers wrote:
It happens that the staff member that had dealt with this was "in training", so it's something she's going to take up with her supervisor, I'm worried that it will go the wrong way and that all staff will be advised that such products are not suitable and we'll find providing appropriate snacks more difficult in future. It's all very well suggesting fruit, but at 18mths, all fruits are still a bit of a choking risk and require more supervision than she's going to get in that setting. Which leaves decanting things which already have the warning on, which is a bit two-faced. Am I really naive in thinking that such products are ok? It would seem to me that they fall into the category where, that's why you have an epipen? I'd wait and see what the final decision is. If they have a highly peanut allergic kid in the school, I don't blame them for being a bit paranoid. Having to use an epi-pen is scary, plus it's not going to inspire confidence in the parents of the allergic child that the school is taking appropriate precautions. If the decision comes down that non-nut-containing foods packaged in plants that process nuts are forbidden, you might get together with some other parents and suggest that the school start providing snacks. That's what almost every preschool does if they have stringent policies about these sorts of things. Frankly, parents of non-allergic kids just don't get it and have no idea all the things to look for on a label, so even well-intentioned parents send potentially dangerous snacks to school. Still, even if you have to get the snacks yourself, it's not all *that* hard to find acceptable snacks. For almost any kind of snack you're sending now, there's likely a similar alternative that is completely free of nuts. Do you have a Trader Joe's in your area? They're a popular source for such snacks. Best wishes, Ericka |
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snack problem at gym daycare
Oops, silly me, totally missed the "gym" in the header. They probably won't provide snacks in that case. So, I'll back up to the Trader Joe's recommendation if they come down on the side of strict interpretation. Best wishes, Ericka |
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snack problem at gym daycare
Oops, silly me, totally missed the "gym" in the header.
They probably won't provide snacks in that case. So, I'll back up to the Trader Joe's recommendation if they come down on the side of strict interpretation. hadn't occured to me that Trader Joe's would have such things, after all, they do sell nuts, that happens to be where I did buy the snack on the day I had to provide it at preschool. I don't know whether it's a legal requirement to state if something is made in the same factory as something that is made with nuts, or packages nuts, either here or in the UK, but it would seem to me that entirely nut free factories are going to be something of a rarity and are likely to have prices as such. Do Trader Joe's have a nut free factory? or exclusion zone or something? Anne |
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snack problem at gym daycare
Am I really naive in thinking that such products are ok? It would seem to
me that they fall into the category where, that's why you have an epipen? I've seen this kind of sentiment before, and I really have to nip it in the bud. Epipens are NOT NOT NOT a fix. Not any more than having a defribrillator on hand would make it OK to make a kid with a heart problem run a mile in P.E.! It's something to be used in an emergency, and such an emergency would STILL mean a trip to the hospital, and may not save a life when used. It's something that MAY work to stave off life-threatening anaphylaxis. OK? It's not "whoopsie, oh well, there's the epipen". oh I realise that, epi pen, then dial 911, it's just that when such labelling is pretty much universal, I'd presume for legal reasons. It seems nothing is ever "guaranteed nut free", or it is, it comes at a price premium. Another thing on the practical side though - if this is the gym daycare, you're there for - how long? An hour? Hour and a half? If kids needed a snack with that frequency, Mother Nature would have assured our extinction long ago! Consider not bringing a snack at all, maybe providing one just beforehand if the timing is too far from a meal. a little over an hour, admittedly they shouldn't _need_ a snack, but they to operate to a schedule and 10am is snack time and today that is when we got there and it would have been pretty mean to have expected them to not sit down and join in. I may end up giving them it in the car on the way there as I have a huge box of individual packs that will need to be used! Anne |
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snack problem at gym daycare
Anne Rogers wrote:
Oops, silly me, totally missed the "gym" in the header. They probably won't provide snacks in that case. So, I'll back up to the Trader Joe's recommendation if they come down on the side of strict interpretation. hadn't occured to me that Trader Joe's would have such things, after all, they do sell nuts, that happens to be where I did buy the snack on the day I had to provide it at preschool. Oh, yes. They have lots of very peanut-free snacks. That's where our preschool actually buys some of the snacks they serve. I don't know whether it's a legal requirement to state if something is made in the same factory as something that is made with nuts, or packages nuts, either here or in the UK, but it would seem to me that entirely nut free factories are going to be something of a rarity and are likely to have prices as such. Do Trader Joe's have a nut free factory? or exclusion zone or something? Their things come from all sorts of different suppliers. As far as I know, they don't actually do much of any manufacturing. I haven't had much trouble finding completely nut-free products. Yes, there are lots of things you can't get, but at least I've still found plenty of things I *can* get. Best wishes, Ericka |
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snack problem at gym daycare
Oops, silly me, totally missed the "gym" in the header.
They probably won't provide snacks in that case. So, I'll back up to the Trader Joe's recommendation if they come down on the side of strict interpretation. just looked in the kitchen, I had 3 things that would be suitable for snacks from trader joes, 2 out of the 3 of them had a similar warning to the other product, the one that didn't was oriental rice crackers, which neither of the kids seem to like! Anne |
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snack problem at gym daycare
Anne Rogers wrote: Oops, silly me, totally missed the "gym" in the header. They probably won't provide snacks in that case. So, I'll back up to the Trader Joe's recommendation if they come down on the side of strict interpretation. hadn't occured to me that Trader Joe's would have such things, after all, they do sell nuts, that happens to be where I did buy the snack on the day I had to provide it at preschool. I may be way off-base here, but why bring something packaged? At DD1 and DD2's daycare, they had a requirement that all snacks be nut-free (and in a facility that was nut-free), so simple things like steamed baby carrots, hard-boiled eggs, very very thin sliced apples and the like were pretty common. I don't know whether it's a legal requirement to state if something is made in the same factory as something that is made with nuts, or packages nuts, either here or in the UK, but it would seem to me that entirely nut free factories are going to be something of a rarity and are likely to have prices as such. I haven't found that to be the case -- 'Pirate Booty,' 'Mighty Bites' and all of the other (cra--) stuff are all nut-free products/facilities. Do Trader Joe's have a nut free factory? or exclusion zone or something? Trader Joes, as far as I know, is a middleman (sort of like the PPO of food). Caledonia |
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snack problem at gym daycare
Banty wrote:
I've seen this kind of sentiment before, and I really have to nip it in the bud. Epipens are NOT NOT NOT a fix. Not any more than having a defribrillator on hand would make it OK to make a kid with a heart problem run a mile in P.E.! It's something to be used in an emergency, and such an emergency would STILL mean a trip to the hospital, and may not save a life when used. It's something that MAY work to stave off life-threatening anaphylaxis. OK? It's not "whoopsie, oh well, there's the epipen". As someone who carries epipens due to a life-threatening allergy (though to insect venom, not nuts, thank god, and as such, I don't have to worry much about parents sending a wasp venom snack) I'm glad you wrote this. I've only had to have epinephrine given to me once, and it's not an experience I'd care to repeat, let alone have to put a kid through. I really mean no offense toward Anne (and I know this isn't what you suggested in the least), but I do get annoyed when I hear other parents b*tching about how it's not fair to ban PB&J for everyone, due to the needs of one kid, and how that kid just oughta be carrying epis. Well yes, they should be carrying epis, but having a peanut-free school hardly seems like a big deal to the other kids. Like, "oh, my GODDDD!!! I CAN'T PACK PB&J... WHAT'S THIS WORLD COMING TO!" For heaven's sack, give them the PB&J when the get home as a snack, and pack something else. Sorry for the rant... Cathy Weeks |
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