any young mums?

Some moron posted:
Really? There are 12 year olds getting pregnant here. In fact, Canada
and USA have a high rate of teenage pregnancy.

Oh boy - a little non-sequitor here, hey?

Where do I start? Since you mention Canada, and I live in Canada, I will
speak to this point.

1) The teenage pregnancy rate is the number of pregnancies per 1,000 women
aged 15 to 19. Here in Canada it is a in a declining trend, and certainly
not 'high' [8% of all pregnancies]. [Statistics Canada]
http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/041027/d041027d.htm

2) There are no statistics for 12 year olds.

3) Acknowledging that some young girls can become pregnant does not mean
that it is a desirable outcome. Witness the abortion rate for teenaged
pregnancies. http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/health42d.htm
http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/health43.htm

4) Here is a chart comparing teenage pregnancy rates [again, same
definition] from Canada with some other countries:
http://www.statcan.ca/english/kits/preg/preg3d.htm Yes, the rate is quite a
bit higher in the US, but again, this chart does not discuss rates of
pregnancy amongst those younger than 15, nor does it speak to the
*desirability* of these outcomes.

5) From this website:
http://www.statcan.ca/english/kits/preg/preg3.htm
The social stigma that once attended out-of-wedlock pregnancy may have
diminished; however, the risks of serious health consequences remain for
babies born to mothers still in their teens. Children of teenagers are more
likely to have low birth weights, and to suffer the associated health
problems.

Pregnant teens themselves are also at greater risk of health problems,
including, for example, anemia, hypertension, renal disease, eclampsia and
depressive disorders. As well, teenagers who engage in unprotected sex are
putting their own health at risk of sexually transmitted infections.1

Teenage pregnancy also has economic consequences. Childbearing may curtail
education and thereby reduce a young woman's employment prospects in a job
market that requires ever higher levels of training. In addition, recessions
in the early 1980s and 1990s meant that to maintain an adequate standard of
living, dual earning became the norm in many Canadian households. But
teenagers who give birth, particularly at ages 15 to 17, are likely to be
single. Consequently, most teenage mothers lack a partner to contribute to
the household income.

I guess the most offensive part of this post was the lumping in together of
the U.S. and Canada with respect to this issue. There is *no comparison*.
From the impact of religious groups on sex education to the health care
system, Canada offers its young citizens opportunities to become educated
about teenage pregnancy. Here in Canada we have few 12 year olds getting
pregnant by choice. I would not be surprised if this was the case in many,
many other parts of the world - including America.

--
Jacqueline
#1 Due late Jul/early Aug

Catty lake wrote:
Considering you obvisouly have no morals

Morals are a set of beliefs of good and bad based on a culture. Some
people think it's morally wrong to eat a cow while others consider it
morally good to slaughter a sheep in front of your house.

I am just glad that I don't share your morals.

and are a totally freakin idiot.

No dear, only an idiot would think that no 12 yr old would get pregnant
and use the internet to get information.

I'll point a few things out to you. Under no circumstances do I think
it is
acceptable for a 12 year old CHealth (of the mother) - A pregnant
adolescent
is athigh risk of suffering pregnancy complications likeanemia,
hypertensive
conditions, cephalopelvicdisproportion, miscarriage, etc.HILD to get
pregnant.

I wasn't arguing the health risks, just the fact that it is possible
for 12 yr olds to get pregnant and be socially accepted at the same
time. By your same logic, women over 35 should not be pregnant and we
all should be offended if one of these women post to this newsgroup.


In Austraia that is RAPE!

Well, I wouldn't know about Australia.

In many African countries, girls who become pregnant are forced to
leave
school and are also likely to face moral persecution. Data from
Rwanda, for
example, show about 10 per cent of pregnant schoolgirls being
disowned by
their families. This, in turn, can result in child abandonment ("baby
dumping") and entry of the young mother into prostitution.

I have no specific knowledge of many African countries, but I am sure
there are areas in which 12 yr olds, who are married, are pregnant and
are not seen as being morally flawed.

Cephalopelvic disproportion-meaning that
SNIP

Women older than 35 have similiar risk issues. Again, I'm talking about
possibility, not health risks.


So bitch

I think you mean "dick".

maybe you should check yourself, you are living in a dream world.

Yeah, SoCal is pretty nice.

At 12 years old most CHILDREN can't make their own decisions. I am
glad I
live in a country where it is illegal for a 12 year old to have sex.
No
child at the age o12 is mature enough to make the decision to have
sex or a
baby.

Again, there are some cultures who think differently than you and have
access to this newsgroup.

to tell you I think So judging by your lack of intelligence I think
not only are you the most stupid person I have every met, your
children
will be deluded having a mother that thinks its ok for a child to
have
children and whom think Daddys opinion is more important than Mummys.

Like I said, you're way to young to have kids.

This is my final word to you as you infuriate me with your ignorance.

Of course it is, for you have lost the argument. Now go seek other
"young" moms elsewhere.

Regards...

A bigger moron named "Cuddlefish" wrote:

Oh boy - a little non-sequitor here, hey?

Not at all. She stated the following:

"where I come from children of that age are in primary school....not
getting pregnant."

I stated that 12 year olds do in fact get pregnant:

"There are 12 year olds getting pregnant here. In fact, Canada
and USA have a high rate of teenage pregnancy."

I bet the top posting threw you off, eh?

Where do I start?

Well, if you're going to be calling me a moron, I rather you manage
harder to ignore me.

Since you mention Canada, and I live in Canada, I will
speak to this point.

1) The teenage pregnancy rate is the number of pregnancies per 1,000
women
aged 15 to 19. Here in Canada it is a in a declining trend, and
certainly
not 'high' [8% of all pregnancies]. [Statistics Canada]
http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/041027/d041027d.htm

That's fine, but 12 year old girls do get pregnant in Canada. As far as
precentages go, USA and Canada have a high pregnancy rate compared to
European countries:

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9910...and.abortion./

2) There are no statistics for 12 year olds.

Again, they still get pregnant.

3) Acknowledging that some young girls can become pregnant does not
mean
that it is a desirable outcome. Witness the abortion rate for
teenaged
pregnancies. http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/health42d.htm
http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/health43.htm

You have to acknowledge that there are some cultures in which being
pregnant at age 12 is a desired outcome.

4) Here is a chart comparing teenage pregnancy rates [again, same
definition] from Canada with some other countries:
http://www.statcan.ca/english/kits/preg/preg3d.htm Yes, the rate is
quite a
bit higher in the US, but again, this chart does not discuss rates of

pregnancy amongst those younger than 15, nor does it speak to the
*desirability* of these outcomes.

Again, 12 yr olds do get pregnant.

5) From this website:
http://www.statcan.ca/english/kits/preg/preg3.htm
The social stigma that once attended out-of-wedlock pregnancy may
have
diminished; however, the risks of serious health consequences remain
for
babies born to mothers still in their teens. Children of teenagers
are more
likely to have low birth weights, and to suffer the associated health

problems.

Pregnant teens themselves are also at greater risk of health
problems,
including, for example, anemia, hypertension, renal disease,
eclampsia and
depressive disorders. As well, teenagers who engage in unprotected
sex are
putting their own health at risk of sexually transmitted infections.1

Teenage pregnancy also has economic consequences. Childbearing may
curtail
education and thereby reduce a young woman's employment prospects in
a job
market that requires ever higher levels of training. In addition,
recessions
in the early 1980s and 1990s meant that to maintain an adequate
standard of
living, dual earning became the norm in many Canadian households. But

teenagers who give birth, particularly at ages 15 to 17, are likely
to be
single. Consequently, most teenage mothers lack a partner to
contribute to
the household income.

I already addressed this elsewhere when I said the same can be true of
women over 35. On a side note, I like the feminist spin of that
article.

I guess the most offensive part of this post was the lumping in
together of
the U.S. and Canada with respect to this issue. There is *no
comparison*.

Well, I haven't researched pregnancy rates and moral implications
between the two countries.

From the impact of religious groups on sex education to the health
care
system, Canada offers its young citizens opportunities to become
educated
about teenage pregnancy. Here in Canada we have few 12 year olds
getting
pregnant by choice. I would not be surprised if this was the case in
many,
many other parts of the world - including America.

All I know about Canada is from the propaganda film "Bowling for
Columbine" (sp?) and the TV show "South Park".

Again, my argument is that 12 yr olds do get pregnant and that they
might use the internet to get information. They probably met the father
over the internet. Now that's non-sequitor!

--
Jacqueline
#1 Due late Jul/early Aug

Regards...

OK THEN DICK! I was not arguing that 12 year olds can't get pregnant you
stupid stupid ****er. My point was that it is socially unacceptable in most
NORMAL COUNTRIES and most NORMAL people would agree.Cleary you aren't. Your
way to dumb to have kids, and I pity them for how they will grow up, They
will prob be pregnant at 12. My daughter is smart, well looked after and
will succeed in her life as will her brother/sister.
Cuddlefish was right your a moron. Darling if I was to young to have kids I
wouldn't have set myself as I did:
1. I Own my own house.
2. Drive a brand new car
3. Have a great job
4. Have money to live very comfortably
And I am smart enough to know that unless we live in a third world or under
developed country children have the right to be children and not have the
burden of being a mother at 12 years old. Thank-you for proving to the rest
of the news group how much of a stupid ass you really are.
wrote in message
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Catty lake wrote:
Considering you obvisouly have no morals

Morals are a set of beliefs of good and bad based on a culture. Some
people think it's morally wrong to eat a cow while others consider it
morally good to slaughter a sheep in front of your house.

I am just glad that I don't share your morals.

and are a totally freakin idiot.

No dear, only an idiot would think that no 12 yr old would get pregnant
and use the internet to get information.

I'll point a few things out to you. Under no circumstances do I think
it is
acceptable for a 12 year old CHealth (of the mother) - A pregnant
adolescent
is athigh risk of suffering pregnancy complications likeanemia,
hypertensive
conditions, cephalopelvicdisproportion, miscarriage, etc.HILD to get
pregnant.

I wasn't arguing the health risks, just the fact that it is possible
for 12 yr olds to get pregnant and be socially accepted at the same
time. By your same logic, women over 35 should not be pregnant and we
all should be offended if one of these women post to this newsgroup.


In Austraia that is RAPE!

Well, I wouldn't know about Australia.

In many African countries, girls who become pregnant are forced to
leave
school and are also likely to face moral persecution. Data from
Rwanda, for
example, show about 10 per cent of pregnant schoolgirls being
disowned by
their families. This, in turn, can result in child abandonment ("baby
dumping") and entry of the young mother into prostitution.

I have no specific knowledge of many African countries, but I am sure
there are areas in which 12 yr olds, who are married, are pregnant and
are not seen as being morally flawed.

Cephalopelvic disproportion-meaning that
SNIP

Women older than 35 have similiar risk issues. Again, I'm talking about
possibility, not health risks.


So bitch

I think you mean "dick".

maybe you should check yourself, you are living in a dream world.

Yeah, SoCal is pretty nice.

At 12 years old most CHILDREN can't make their own decisions. I am
glad I
live in a country where it is illegal for a 12 year old to have sex.
No
child at the age o12 is mature enough to make the decision to have
sex or a
baby.

Again, there are some cultures who think differently than you and have
access to this newsgroup.

to tell you I think So judging by your lack of intelligence I think
not only are you the most stupid person I have every met, your
children
will be deluded having a mother that thinks its ok for a child to
have
children and whom think Daddys opinion is more important than Mummys.

Like I said, you're way to young to have kids.

This is my final word to you as you infuriate me with your ignorance.

Of course it is, for you have lost the argument. Now go seek other
"young" moms elsewhere.

Regards...

Catty lake wrote:
OK THEN DICK!

Much better.

I was not arguing that 12 year olds can't get pregnant

Ok, seeing how you are incapable of basic logic, let me try to dummy
down it for you:

Q. "If I was 12 do you think I'd be on here chatting?"
A. Seeing how it's possible for 12 year olds to be pregnant and be
using the internet, yes, I think you can be here chatting.

Q. "Do you think a 12year old is mentally equipped to be chatting
about pregnancy"
A. Yes, it goes on in our school system on a daily basis.

Q. "...or would feel comfortable chatting about it?"
A. It is a possibility. Actually when I saw your post, I thought there
might be a reason why you would like to talk to young moms, instead of
older moms.

Statment: "Yes 12year olds can get pregnant but that is a major crime
and it repulses me."

Response: In some areas and cultures, it's neither a crime or
repulsive.

you
stupid stupid ****er.

I'm not the one who's pregnant.

My point was that it is socially unacceptable in most
NORMAL COUNTRIES and most NORMAL people would agree.Cleary you
aren't.

Whether it is unacceptable or not in your country is irrelevant.
Pregnant 12 year olds can access the internet and thus, I find no fault
when I asked you to define "young".

Your
way to dumb to have kids, and I pity them for how they will grow up,
They
will prob be pregnant at 12.

My kids will hopefully be fine. Hopefully they won't be so narrow
minded like you.

My daughter is smart,

Must take after the father.

well looked after and
will succeed in her life as will her brother/sister.

Nice crystal ball you have. Hopefully they will learn from your
weakness and use it to improve on their lives.

Cuddlefish was right your a moron.

I think she thinks I am a moron for other unrelated reasons.
Regardless, "you're" mistaken if you think I care what "your" opinion
of me is.

Darling if I was to young to have kids I
wouldn't have set myself as I did:
1. I Own my own house.
2. Drive a brand new car
3. Have a great job
4. Have money to live very comfortably

Well, usually a "young" mom has these things because a man provided
those things for her.

And I am smart enough to know that unless we live in a third world or
under
developed country children have the right to be children

"children have a right to be children". Seeing how you have the
emotional capacity of a child, I must ask again "How old is a young
mom"?

and not have the
burden of being a mother at 12 years old.

Apparently God/evolution disagrees with you.

Thank-you for proving to the rest
of the news group how much of a stupid ass you really are.

Is that your "final word"?

Regards...

"Catty lake" wrote in message
...

Catty - don't worry about this dude. I learned to block his posts very early
on. My sense is he is a very confused individual. I am not sure how much of
his stuff he actually reads or believes in, but the fact he is here
indicates to me he is not so sure about where he fits in. Clearly he does
not fit in here. On one hand it is a shame that I have not ever really seen
his posts because some of the stuff I've seen quoted in other posts is
really quite funny, and I do get a huge laugh over its stupidity. On the
other hand, in real life I surround myself with caring and intelligent
people and feel it should be no different online. I am also a high school
teacher and find my life is pretty interesting as is. :-)

Seriously - it makes no difference to our lives if this person wants to
believe that as a man he should be head of his household, or that he
believes that 12 year olds are running around getting pregnant. At the end
of the day, we both have pretty awesome lives and no one can interfere with
that. :-)

--
Jacqueline
#1 Due late Jul/early Aug

Catty lake wrote:
No I'm, stating that that your an idiot. If I was 12 do you think I'd
be on
here chatting?

Quite possibly.

Do you think a 12year old is mentally equipped to be chatting
about pregnancy

Yes.

or would feel comfortable chatting about it?

Probably not, but they might feel even more uncomfortable _not_ having
anyone to talk to about it. Being a pregnant 12-year-old in a Western
must be appallingly difficult, and I'm sure that most girls unfortunate
enough to be in that situation would welcome the chance to talk to
someone in the same situation.

Yes 12year olds
can get pregnant but that is a major crime and it repulses me.

Me too, and I think it's very sad that asgf apparently doesn't feel the
same way. However, I can't really see how that merited the kind of
response he got to his _initial_ question, which I think was a
perfectly legitimate and reasonable thing to ask.


All the best,

Sarah

wrote:
Catty lake wrote:

Yes 12year olds
can get pregnant but that is a major crime and it repulses me.

Me too, and I think it's very sad that asgf apparently doesn't feel
the
same way.

To be fair, I did state if I lived in a culture in which the social
norm was that my 12 yr old was married, I would find no fault in her
being pregnant.

For example, I don't think she's mentally old enough to have kids or be
in a position to raise kids based on this recent post of hers:

"My boyfriend flips out and goes physco if he dosen't have it
[marijuana]. He quit for 3 days once, he was cranky but managable on
the first 2 and on the third he went ****ing insane and just about
knocked me out because our baby daughter spilt her drink on his amp
controller. YOU ARE NOT ALONE!!!!!"

If it is the social norm in Australia to be pregnant while living out
of wedlock with an abusive, drug addicted person, then who am I to
preach about the idiocy of other people's social norms?

However, I can't really see how that merited the kind of
response he got to his _initial_ question, which I think was a
perfectly legitimate and reasonable thing to ask.


Why thank you. By the way, I never did find out how old is a "young
mum".

All the best,

Sarah

Regards...

For starters I'm 25, married. And I did not post that msg. I do not owe you
any justification as your an idiot, However for the record. My best friend
is in an abusive relationship her boyfriend does use drugs and she does stay
at my house quite often, As I am trying to help her. Clearly you fit in
nowhere. And you are socially retarded. I will be ignoring you.
wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
Catty lake wrote:

Yes 12year olds
can get pregnant but that is a major crime and it repulses me.

Me too, and I think it's very sad that asgf apparently doesn't feel
the
same way.

To be fair, I did state if I lived in a culture in which the social
norm was that my 12 yr old was married, I would find no fault in her
being pregnant.

For example, I don't think she's mentally old enough to have kids or be
in a position to raise kids based on this recent post of hers:

"My boyfriend flips out and goes physco if he dosen't have it
[marijuana]. He quit for 3 days once, he was cranky but managable on
the first 2 and on the third he went ****ing insane and just about
knocked me out because our baby daughter spilt her drink on his amp
controller. YOU ARE NOT ALONE!!!!!"

If it is the social norm in Australia to be pregnant while living out
of wedlock with an abusive, drug addicted person, then who am I to
preach about the idiocy of other people's social norms?

However, I can't really see how that merited the kind of
response he got to his _initial_ question, which I think was a
perfectly legitimate and reasonable thing to ask.


Why thank you. By the way, I never did find out how old is a "young
mum".

All the best,

Sarah

Regards...

Catty lake wrote:
For starters I'm 25, married.

Finally. Now that wasn't hard, now was it?

And I did not post that msg.

Sure thing. The posting styles were the same and apparently you two
have the same interests.

I do not owe you
any justification as your an idiot, However for the record.

For the record, you're an idiot? Ok, thanks for the heads up.

My best friend
is in an abusive relationship her boyfriend does use drugs and she
does stay
at my house quite often, As I am trying to help her.

Even if that was true, which I doubt, you are still endagering your
family by your choice of friends. Also, the friends that you keep
reflects on your own character and intelligence, or lack of, as in your
case.

Clearly you fit in
nowhere.

I know, I'm not into drugs or into being abused by drug addicts. I'm
also married to a woman who is my partner and not just a person to
shack up with.

And you are socially retarded.

That's a compliment considering what you consider as being socially
acceptable.

I will be ignoring you.

Please do, it's the smartest thing you can do.

Regards...