Britney's Man Escapes Child Custody Payments

greg wrote:
Andre Lieven wrote:
"Francine" ) displays her misandry:

Easy; One, a man CAN'T make his own ACTIVE choice; only a woman
can, and you support such misandrous sexism,

The man has a choice.


So does the woman.


Stay celibate.


Funny how the man hater crowd never seems to offer this advice to...
women...


Wear a condom or get a vasectomy.


Once again, all PRE coital choices. As women also have.

Yet, women also have NON medical and NON biological POST coital
choices. Only sexists defend such sexism. QED.


If you decide to play, you take the gamble that you'll have to pay.


Funny how that is never said to women.

Make you a deal: Lets lobby to *repeal* Roe V/ Wade, so that women
will be... equal to men.

Then, you can also tell women " you take the gamble... "


That's not sexism. To have sex and then try and avoid the
consequences of sex is immature.


ROTFLMAO !!! So, go tell that to the ones demanding such "
immaturity ": Pro abortionists... et al.


Two, what if the guy wants
the child ? Your way, he's SOL. Due to misandrous sexism, again.

Sorry, but one person CANNOT force medical procedures or conditions on
another person's body. That's has nothing to do with sexism.

Again, not sexism. There are disparities in the situation simply
because of the nature of gestation.


ROTFLMAO ! Funny how this is never used to specify a lesser level
of rights for women, just for specifying lesser rights for... men.


Sexism is willful. The heart of
the issue is simply this: sexual activity carries risk.


If ALL women's-only POST coital choices were fictional, you'd be
right.

Since thats NOT the case, you're... wrong. HTH.


If you choose to be sexually active, you accept that risk.


Unless you're a woman, and use abortion, RU-486, Legal Abandon Laws,
and Legal Adopting Out Laws to VOID that " risk "...


You may not care for the
ways to prevent unplanned pregnancy, (celibacy, condoms, vasectomy)
but they are available to you and they will pretty much ensure that
you will not be a father.


Great ! Lets limit women to celibacy, femidoms and tubal ligations,
too.

Wouldn't want to be UNequal...


The second you choose to not take one of those
options, you open yourself up to a situation that you can't control.


Unless you're a woman...


So don't whine about sexism and how you should be able to walk away.


Projection

Step up and realize that you have choices. Once those choices are
made, you accept the consequences.


Unless you're a woman. Right, got it, you're FOR more rights for
women, and more *responsibilities* for men.

IOW, you're a WomenFirster bigot.

Aha, the truth of feminism revealed for all to see. All
responsibilities and obligations for men and complete and utter
license for women.

Ultimately, THIS is what you want to believe, and you are looking for ways
to. That's it. I gave certain ideas -- such as an out for men during a
certain window -- but these ideas were not addressed. No, certain people
just want to hate women and believe that women have more legal rights while
men suffer.


Andre
--
" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
The Man Prayer, Red Green.

--
nimue

"Joss Whedon is my master now."

"Weird Al Yankovic proves that you gotta be good-looking to make it in
music." I love Weird Al....

Andre Lieven wrote:
"Francine" ) displays her misandry:

Easy; One, a man CAN'T make his own ACTIVE choice; only a woman can,
and you support such misandrous sexism,

The man has a choice.


So does the woman.


Stay celibate.


Funny how the man hater crowd never seems to offer this advice to...
women...


Wear a condom or get a vasectomy.


Once again, all PRE coital choices. As women also have.

Yet, women also have NON medical and NON biological POST coital choices.
Only sexists defend such sexism. QED.


If you decide to play, you take the gamble that you'll have to pay.


Funny how that is never said to women.

Make you a deal: Lets lobby to *repeal* Roe V/ Wade, so that women will
be... equal to men.

Then, you can also tell women " you take the gamble... "


That's not sexism. To have sex and then try and avoid the
consequences of sex is immature.


ROTFLMAO !!! So, go tell that to the ones demanding such " immaturity ":
Pro abortionists... et al.


Two, what if the guy wants
the child ? Your way, he's SOL. Due to misandrous sexism, again.

Again, not sexism. There are disparities in the situation simply
because of the nature of gestation.


ROTFLMAO ! Funny how this is never used to specify a lesser level
of rights for women, just for specifying lesser rights for... men.


Sexism is willful. The heart of
the issue is simply this: sexual activity carries risk.


If ALL women's-only POST coital choices were fictional, you'd be right.

Since thats NOT the case, you're... wrong. HTH.


If you choose to be sexually active, you accept that risk.


Unless you're a woman, and use abortion, RU-486, Legal Abandon Laws,
and Legal Adopting Out Laws to VOID that " risk "...


You may not care for the
ways to prevent unplanned pregnancy, (celibacy, condoms, vasectomy) but
they are available to you and they will pretty much ensure that you
will not be a father.


Great ! Lets limit women to celibacy, femidoms and tubal ligations, too.

Wouldn't want to be UNequal...


The second you choose to not take one of those
options, you open yourself up to a situation that you can't control.


Unless you're a woman...


So don't whine about sexism and how you should be able to walk away.


Projection

Step up and realize that you have choices. Once those choices are
made, you accept the consequences.


Unless you're a woman. Right, got it, you're FOR more rights for women,
and more *responsibilities* for men.

IOW, you're a WomenFirster bigot.

Aha, the truth of feminism revealed for all to see. All responsibilities
and obligations for men and complete and utter license for women.


Andre
--
" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
The Man Prayer, Red Green.

On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 07:36:15 +0100, Magda
wrote:

On 9 Nov 2005 06:29:35 GMT, in alt.gossip.celebrities, (Andre
Lieven) arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

...
... Magda ) writes:
... On 9 Nov 2005 05:25:20 GMT, in alt.gossip.celebrities, dg411@FreeNet.
... Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven) wrote what Misandrist Magda could not refute:
...
... Magda ) MS-es the point, while agreeing with sexism:
... On 9 Nov 2005 02:26:03 GMT, in alt.gossip.celebrities, dg411@FreeNet.
... Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven) wrote accurately:
...
... "nimue" ) writes:
... snip
...
... No. Men CANNOT tell a woman what to do with her own body.
...
... Why not? There are many situations in life where our actions are
... controlled by the will of others.
...
... When can a woman tell a man what to do with his own body? Never.
...
... Untrue: A woman can decide that she will use the LAW to make a man
... pay her " child support " money. That money doesn't appear to the
... man without his *working with his body* for it. Duh !
...
... Wear a condom, Einstein.
...
... Keep your legs closed,
...
... No way, I like sex.
...
... So, its only men you wnat to not enjoy sex. Got it.

Are you sure? If they don't enjoy sex, why do they keep running after women?

... More proof of your hate of men, and demands for men to have lesser
... legal rights.

What lesser rights?

What have you been drinking, Andy dear - gasoline?

Rather dense today eh.
Going to blame that on your endocrine imbalance no doubt.



"The best proof of intelligent life in space is that it hasn't come here."
- Sir Arthur C. Clarke

Francine wrote:
Easy; One, a man CAN'T make his own ACTIVE choice; only a woman can,
and you support such misandrous sexism,

The man has a choice. Stay celibate. Wear a condom or get a
vasectomy. If you decide to play, you take the gamble that you'll have
to pay. That's not sexism. To have sex and then try and avoid the
consequences of sex is immature.

I'm wondering if you are opposed to abortion or if avoiding the
consequences of sex is only immature when men do it?

Jayne

Magda ) screeches, from her brain rotted state:
On 9 Nov 2005 07:09:48 GMT, in alt.gossip.celebrities, (Andre
Lieven) arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

...
... Magda ) : can't even work attributation lines,
... proving her clueless newbieness, along with her misandry:
... On 9 Nov 2005 06:29:35 GMT, in alt.gossip.celebrities, dg411@FreeNet.
... Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven) pointed out :
...
... Magda )
... On 9 Nov 2005 05:25:20 GMT, in alt.gossip.celebrities, dg411@FreeNet.
... Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven) wrote what Misandrist Magda could not refute:
...
... Magda ) MS-es the point, while agreeing with sexism:
... On 9 Nov 2005 02:26:03 GMT, in alt.gossip.celebrities, dg411@FreeNet.
... Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven) wrote accurately:
...
... "nimue" ) writes:
... snip
...
... No. Men CANNOT tell a woman what to do with her own body.
...
... Why not? There are many situations in life where our actions are
... controlled by the will of others.
...
... When can a woman tell a man what to do with his own body? Never.
...
... Untrue: A woman can decide that she will use the LAW to make a man
... pay her " child support " money. That money doesn't appear to the
... man without his *working with his body* for it. Duh !
...
... Wear a condom, Einstein.
...
... Keep your legs closed,
...
... No way, I like sex.
...
... So, its only men you want to not enjoy sex. Got it.
...
... Are you sure?
...
... Yes.
...
... If they don't enjoy sex, why do they keep running after women?
...
... For sex, even if not great. Why do women run after men ? Answer: $$$.
...
... The LAW restricts seeking sex by men, it encourages seeking money by
... women...

CAN'T reply to this *fact* ? Figures.

... More proof of your hate of men, and demands for men to have lesser
... legal rights.
...
... What lesser rights?
...
... No non medical and non biological legal means to decline legal
... parenthood. Women have some of these, two, and men have...
... none.
...
... None is less than two. Duh.

CAN'T reply to this *fact* ? Figures.

... What have you been drinking, Andy dear - gasoline?
...
... Projection
...
... Andre

Thank you for showing us that your stupidity is as big as the universe
itself... No wonder you can't get laid.

Well, thats a total concession from your side, as you were UNABLE to
debate/refute my facts.

Thank you for continuing to prove that Feminism causes Brain Rot in it's
self inflicted sufferers. And, to adding to the fact that Feminism IS
Misandry.

Go back to playing with your own drool.

PLONK.

Andre


--
" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
The Man Prayer, Red Green.

greg ) points out with utter accuracy:
Andre Lieven wrote:
"Francine" ) displays her misandry:

Easy; One, a man CAN'T make his own ACTIVE choice; only a woman can,
and you support such misandrous sexism,

The man has a choice.

So does the woman.

Stay celibate.

Funny how the man hater crowd never seems to offer this advice to...
women...

Wear a condom or get a vasectomy.

Once again, all PRE coital choices. As women also have.

Yet, women also have NON medical and NON biological POST coital choices.
Only sexists defend such sexism. QED.

If you decide to play, you take the gamble that you'll have to pay.

Funny how that is never said to women.

Make you a deal: Lets lobby to *repeal* Roe V/ Wade, so that women will
be... equal to men.

Then, you can also tell women " you take the gamble... "

That's not sexism. To have sex and then try and avoid the
consequences of sex is immature.

ROTFLMAO !!! So, go tell that to the ones demanding such " immaturity ":
Pro abortionists... et al.

Two, what if the guy wants
the child ? Your way, he's SOL. Due to misandrous sexism, again.

Again, not sexism. There are disparities in the situation simply
because of the nature of gestation.

ROTFLMAO ! Funny how this is never used to specify a lesser level
of rights for women, just for specifying lesser rights for... men.

Sexism is willful. The heart of
the issue is simply this: sexual activity carries risk.

If ALL women's-only POST coital choices were fictional, you'd be right.

Since thats NOT the case, you're... wrong. HTH.

If you choose to be sexually active, you accept that risk.

Unless you're a woman, and use abortion, RU-486, Legal Abandon Laws,
and Legal Adopting Out Laws to VOID that " risk "...

You may not care for the
ways to prevent unplanned pregnancy, (celibacy, condoms, vasectomy) but
they are available to you and they will pretty much ensure that you
will not be a father.

Great ! Lets limit women to celibacy, femidoms and tubal ligations, too.

Wouldn't want to be UNequal...

The second you choose to not take one of those
options, you open yourself up to a situation that you can't control.

Unless you're a woman...

So don't whine about sexism and how you should be able to walk away.

Projection

Step up and realize that you have choices. Once those choices are
made, you accept the consequences.

Unless you're a woman. Right, got it, you're FOR more rights for women,
and more *responsibilities* for men.

IOW, you're a WomenFirster bigot.

Aha, the truth of feminism revealed for all to see. All responsibilities
and obligations for men and complete and utter license for women.

Indeed. Its more than abundantly clear that Feminism IS Misandry, and
that Feminism IS nothing more than " more for me, me, ME ! " from such
women, while telling men to " shut up ! ".

For the edification of the added groups, from at leats one of where this
latest WomenFirster *bigot* came from, heres some more on the actual
hatred of her sexist views:

"I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion
which a man structurally does not have, does not have it because he
cannot have it. He's just incapable of it." -- Former Congresswoman
Barbara Jordan

"All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French,
Author, "The Women's Room"

"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act,
that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that
is oppressing them." -- Robin Morgan, MS. Magazine Editor

"I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it
has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection
and desire." -- Robin Morgan

"And let's put one lie to rest for all time: the lie that men are
oppressed, too, by sexism--the lie that there can be such a thing as
'men's liberation groups.' Oppression is something that one group of
people commits against another group, specifically because of a
'threatening' characteristic shared by the latter group--skin color,
sex or age, etc. The oppressors are indeed ****ED UP by being masters,
but those masters are not OPPRESSED. Any master has the alternative of
divesting himself of sexism or racism--the oppressed have no
alternative--for they have no power--but to fight. In the long run,
Women's Liberation will of course free men--but in the short run it's
going to cost men a lot of privilege, which no one gives up willingly
or easily. Sexism is NOT the fault of women--kill your fathers, not
your mothers." -- Robin Morgan

"My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little
sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the
handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet
in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don't even need to
shrug. I simply don't care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his
shames and yearnings were, simply don't matter." -- Marilyn French, in
"The Women's Room"

"Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of
contempt for women's bodies." -- Andrea Dworkin

"In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape
because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful
consent," said Catherine MacKinnon in Professing Feminism: Cautionary
Tales from the Strange World of Women's Studies.

"And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average
dominant heterosexual [male], it may be mainly a quantitative
difference." -- Susan Griffin "Rape: The All-American Crime"

"The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist" -- Ti-Grace
Atkinson "Amazon Odyssey" (p. 86)

"[Rape] is nothing more or less than a conscious process of
intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear" --
Susan Brownmiller (Against Our Will p. 6)

"When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with
the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression..." -- Sheila
Jeffrys

FROM 'A Feminist Dictionary', ed. Kramarae and Treichler, Pandora
Press, 1985

*MALE: ... represents a variant of or deviation from the category
of female. The first males were mutants... the male sex represents
a degeneration and deformity of the female.'
*MAN: ... an obsolete life form... an ordinary creature who needs
to be watched ... a contradictory baby-man ...
*TESTOSTERONE POISONING: ... 'Until now it has been though that
the level of testosterone in men is normal simply because they have
it. But if you consider how abnormal their behavior is, then you
are led to the hypothesis that almost all men are suffering from
"testosterone poisoning."

Letter to the Editor: "Women's Turn to Dominate"
"To Proud Feminist, (Herald-Sun, 7 February). Your last paragraph is
shocking language from a feminist. You use the entrenched, revolting
male stereotypes of women and rationalize your existence by saying you
are neither "ugly" nor "manless", as though either of these
male-oriented judgments matter.

"Clearly you are not yet a free-thinking feminist but rather one of
those women who bounce off the male-dominated, male- controlled social
structures.

"Who cares how men feel or what they do or whether they suffer? They
have had over 2000 years to dominate and made a complete hash of it.
Now it is our turn. My only comment to men is, if you don't like it,
bad luck -- and if you get in my way I'll run you down."
Signed: Liberated Woman, Boronia Herald-Sun, Melbourne, Australia - 9
February 1996

"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometime gain from the
experience," said Catherine Comins, Vassar College Assistant Dean of
Student Life in Time.

"Ninety-five percent of women's experiences are about being a victim.
Or about being an underdog, or having to survive... women didn't go to
Vietnam and blow up things up. They are not Rambo," said Jodie Foster
in The New York Times Magazine

"If the classroom situation is very heteropatriarchal -- a large
beginning class of 50 to 60 students, say, with few feminist students
-- I am likely to define my task as largely one of recruitment...of
persuading students that women are oppressed," said Professor Joyce
Trebilcot of Washington University in "Who Stole Feminism: How Women
Have Betrayed Women."

"We are, as a sex, infinitely superior to men." Elizabeth Cady
Stanton, quoted in " One Woman, One Voice ", Wheeler, page 58.

"No woman should be authorized to stay at home to raise her children.
Society should be totally different. Women should not have that
choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many
women will make that one." Simone de Beauvoir, author of _The
Second Sex_, the book that is credited with launching the
mainstream of the modern feminist movement
---
The simple fact is that every woman must be willing to be identified
as a lesbian to be fully feminist." (National NOW Times, Jan.1988).

"Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the
women's movement must concentrate on attacking this institution.
Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage."
(radical feminist leader Sheila Cronan).

"Being a housewife is an illegitimate profession... The choice to
serve and be protected and plan towards being a family-maker is a
choice that shouldn't be. The heart of radical feminism is to change
that." (Vivian Gornick, feminist author, University of Illinois, "The
Daily Illini," April 25, 1981.

"The most merciful thing a large family can do to one of its infant
members is to kill it." (Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned
Parenthood, in "Women and the New Rage," p.67.

"In order to raise children with equality, we must take them away from
families and communally raise them." (Dr. Mary Jo Bane, feminist and
assistant professor of education at Wellesley College and associate
director of the school's Center for Research on Woman).
__________________________________________________ _________

WHY HATE FEMINISM?
Feminism says this:

"How will the family unit be destroyed? ...[T]he demand alone will throw
the whole ideology of the family into question, so that women can begin
establishing a community of work with each other and we can fight
collectively. Women will feel freer to leave their husbands and become
economically independent, either through a job or welfare." -Roxanne Dunbar
in "Female Liberation"
__________________________________________________ _________

"Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice. Rape,
originally defined as abduction, became marriage by capture. Marriage
meant the taking was to extend in time, to be not only use of but
possession of, or ownership." (Andrea Dworkin)
__________________________________________________ _________

"In a patriarchal society all heterosexual intercourse is rape because
women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent" --
Catherine MacKinnon in "Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales From The
Strange World of Women's Studies"
__________________________________________________ _________

"No woman should be authorised to stay at home and raise her children.
Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice,
precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make
that one."
Simone de Beauvoir (interview with Betty Friedan)
__________________________________________________ _________

"Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare-up at this infamous
proposal of the Communists. On what foundation is the present family, the
bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely
developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. ... The
bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement
vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital. ... The
bourgeois claptrap about the family and education, about the hallowed
correlation of parents and child, becomes all the more disgusting, the
more, by the action of Modern Industry, all the family ties among the
proletarians are torn asunder, and their children transformed into simple
articles of commerce and industry and labor."

Karl Marx
__________________________________________________ _________

"We are out to destroy the family. The best way to do that is to begin by
attacking its weakest member, the unborn child."

Simone Weil, French health minister
__________________________________________________ _________

And feminists lie to women for the sake of their anti-motherhood,
anti-family, heterophobic, anti-child, pro-death ideology:

"Every woman has these same two questions: First, "Is it a baby?" "No"
the counselor assures her. "It is a product of conception (or a blood
clot, or a piece of tissue)" Even though these counselors see six week
babies daily, with arms, legs and eyes that are closed like newborn
puppies, they lie to the women. How many women would have an abortion,
if they told them the truth?" --Carol Everett, former owner of two
clinics and director of four
"A Walk Through an Abortion Clinic" by Carol Everett ALL About Issues
magazine Aug-Sept 1991, p 117
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"If a woman we were counseling expressed doubts about having an
abortion, we would say whatever was necessary to persuade her to abort
immediately." --Judy W., former office manager of the second largest
abortion clinic in El Paso, Texas
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"We tried to avoid the women seeing them [the fetuses] They always
wanted to know the sex, but we lied and said it was too early to tell.
It's better for the women to think of the fetus as an 'it.' --Abortion
clinic worker Norma Eidelman quoted in Rachel Weeping p 34
-----------------------------------------------------------------
"The counselor at our clinic would cry with the girls at the drop of a
hat. She would find their weakness and work on it. The women were
never given any alternatives. They were told how much trouble it is to
have a baby."--former abortion worker Debra Harry, quoted in the film
"Meet the Abortion Providers" 1989
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"It is when I am holding a plastic uterus in one hand, a suction tube
in the other, moving them together in imitation of the scrubbing to
come, that woman ask the most secret question. I am speaking in a
matter-of-fact voice about 'the tissue' and 'the contents' when the
woman suddenly catches my eye and says 'How bib is the baby now?' These
words suggest a quiet need for definition of the boundaries being
drawn. It isn't so odd, after all, that she feels relief when I
describe the growing buds bulbous shape, its miniature nature. Again, I
gauge, and sometimes lie a little, weaseling around its infantile
features until its clinging power slackens." --abortion worker Sallie
Tisdale "We Do Abortions Here" Oct 1987 Harpers Magazine p 68
--------------------------------------------------------------------
"Vital signs should be observed regularly, and a Doppler [for listening
to the fetal heartbeat] inaudible to the patient should be used at
intervals to determine the presence or absence of fetal heart tones..
This [informed consent] is a controversial area, but most professionals
in the field feel that it is not advisable for patients to view the
products of conception, to be told the sex of the fetus, or to be
informed of a multiple pregnancy" --Abortionist Warren Hern in
"Abortion Practice" J.B. Lippincott Company, 1984 pgs 145 and 304
--------------------------------------------------------------------

The jig is simply... UP. We know what Feminism really IS. And, when
sexist bigots such as "Francine" and "Magda" screech their misandry,
well, it only proves our views to be all the more factually correct.

Thanks, loons ! laughs

Andre

--
" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
The Man Prayer, Red Green.

"nimue" ) whines sexistly:
greg wrote:
Andre Lieven wrote:
"Francine" ) displays her misandry:

Easy; One, a man CAN'T make his own ACTIVE choice; only a woman
can, and you support such misandrous sexism,

The man has a choice.

So does the woman.

Stay celibate.

Funny how the man hater crowd never seems to offer this advice to...
women...

Wear a condom or get a vasectomy.

Once again, all PRE coital choices. As women also have.

Yet, women also have NON medical and NON biological POST coital
choices. Only sexists defend such sexism. QED.

If you decide to play, you take the gamble that you'll have to pay.

Funny how that is never said to women.

Make you a deal: Lets lobby to *repeal* Roe V/ Wade, so that women
will be... equal to men.

Then, you can also tell women " you take the gamble... "

That's not sexism. To have sex and then try and avoid the
consequences of sex is immature.

ROTFLMAO !!! So, go tell that to the ones demanding such "
immaturity ": Pro abortionists... et al.

Two, what if the guy wants
the child ? Your way, he's SOL. Due to misandrous sexism, again.

Sorry, but one person CANNOT force medical procedures or conditions on
another person's body.

Sorry, but " Child Support Orders " do EXACTLY THAT TO MEN, ya loon.

That's has nothing to do with sexism.

Just misandry. Including yours.

Again, not sexism. There are disparities in the situation simply
because of the nature of gestation.

ROTFLMAO ! Funny how this is never used to specify a lesser level
of rights for women, just for specifying lesser rights for... men.

Sexism is willful. The heart of
the issue is simply this: sexual activity carries risk.

If ALL women's-only POST coital choices were fictional, you'd be
right.

Since thats NOT the case, you're... wrong. HTH.

If you choose to be sexually active, you accept that risk.

Unless you're a woman, and use abortion, RU-486, Legal Abandon Laws,
and Legal Adopting Out Laws to VOID that " risk "...

You may not care for the
ways to prevent unplanned pregnancy, (celibacy, condoms, vasectomy)
but they are available to you and they will pretty much ensure that
you will not be a father.

Great ! Lets limit women to celibacy, femidoms and tubal ligations,
too.

Wouldn't want to be UNequal...

The second you choose to not take one of those
options, you open yourself up to a situation that you can't control.

Unless you're a woman...

So don't whine about sexism and how you should be able to walk away.

Projection

Step up and realize that you have choices. Once those choices are
made, you accept the consequences.

Unless you're a woman. Right, got it, you're FOR more rights for
women, and more *responsibilities* for men.

IOW, you're a WomenFirster bigot.

Aha, the truth of feminism revealed for all to see. All
responsibilities and obligations for men and complete and utter
license for women.

Ultimately, THIS is what you want to believe, and you are looking for ways
to.

Projection No proof offered ? Cow**** claim fails.

That's it. I gave certain ideas -- such as an out for men during a
certain window -- but these ideas were not addressed.

Because they're unthinking and stupid ideas, and I DID point out that,
were such an " idea " to be used, all it would take for a women to VOID
the man's right, would be to DELAY telling him about her status, until
your " window " had... CLOSED.

So, your " idea " would ENCOURAGE women's FRAUD...

No, certain people
just want to hate women and believe that women have more legal rights while
men suffer.

Translation: " Why wasn't my 'idea' accepted blindly ? Thats so rude, to
point out how *retarded* that 'idea' actually was ! "

TOUGH !

As for actual ideas, theres always Choice For Men, aka C4M, easily findable
on the web, by NON-retards.

Andre
--
" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
The Man Prayer, Red Green.

Magda wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:38:13 +1100, in alt.gossip.celebrities, greg
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

...
...
... Magda wrote:
... On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:09:11 +1100, in alt.gossip.celebrities, greg
... arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... ...
... ...
... ... Magda wrote:
... ... On 9 Nov 2005 07:09:48 GMT, in alt.gossip.celebrities, (Andre
... ... Lieven) arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... ...
... ... ...
... ... ... Magda ) : can't even work attributation lines,
... ... ... proving her clueless newbieness, along with her misandry:
... ... ... On 9 Nov 2005 06:29:35 GMT, in alt.gossip.celebrities, dg411@FreeNet.
... ... ... Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven) pointed out :
... ... ...
... ... ... Magda )
... ... ... On 9 Nov 2005 05:25:20 GMT, in alt.gossip.celebrities, dg411@FreeNet.
... ... ... Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven) wrote what Misandrist Magda could not refute:
... ... ...
... ... ... Magda ) MS-es the point, while agreeing with sexism:
... ... ... On 9 Nov 2005 02:26:03 GMT, in alt.gossip.celebrities, dg411@FreeNet.
... ... ... Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven) wrote accurately:
... ... ...
... ... ... "nimue" ) writes:
... ... ... snip
... ... ...
... ... ... No. Men CANNOT tell a woman what to do with her own body.
... ... ...
... ... ... Why not? There are many situations in life where our actions are
... ... ... controlled by the will of others.
... ... ...
... ... ... When can a woman tell a man what to do with his own body? Never.
... ... ...
... ... ... Untrue: A woman can decide that she will use the LAW to make a man
... ... ... pay her " child support " money. That money doesn't appear to the
... ... ... man without his *working with his body* for it. Duh !
... ... ...
... ... ... Wear a condom, Einstein.
... ... ...
... ... ... Keep your legs closed,
... ... ...
... ... ... No way, I like sex.
... ... ...
... ... ... So, its only men you want to not enjoy sex. Got it.
... ... ...
... ... ... Are you sure?
... ... ...
... ... ... Yes.
... ... ...
... ... ... If they don't enjoy sex, why do they keep running after women?
... ... ...
... ... ... For sex, even if not great. Why do women run after men ? Answer: $$$.
... ... ...
... ... ... The LAW restricts seeking sex by men, it encourages seeking money by
... ... ... women...
... ... ...
... ... ... More proof of your hate of men, and demands for men to have lesser
... ... ... legal rights.
... ... ...
... ... ... What lesser rights?
... ... ...
... ... ... No non medical and non biological legal means to decline legal
... ... ... parenthood. Women have some of these, two, and men have...
... ... ... none.
... ... ...
... ... ... None is less than two. Duh.
... ... ...
... ... ... What have you been drinking, Andy dear - gasoline?
... ... ...
... ... ... Projection
... ... ...
... ... ... Andre
... ...
... ... Thank you for showing us that your stupidity is as big as the universe itself... No wonder
... ... you can't get laid.
... ...
... ... Ad hominem followed by ad hominem. When they're not spread they're not
... ... holding you up Magda. Just like your (used advisedly)argument.
...
... The stupidity prize is yours too, Greg. Enjoy.
...
... Ah, we have an intellectual among us. You get one chance Magda. Put up
... or shut up.

Whenever *I* like. You have no saying in the matter whatsoever.

Still yet to put up? To busy putting out to think coherently I guess.

Jayne Kulikauskas wrote:
Francine wrote:
Easy; One, a man CAN'T make his own ACTIVE choice; only a woman can,
and you support such misandrous sexism,

The man has a choice. Stay celibate. Wear a condom or get a
vasectomy. If you decide to play, you take the gamble that you'll have
to pay. That's not sexism. To have sex and then try and avoid the
consequences of sex is immature.

I'm wondering if you are opposed to abortion or if avoiding the
consequences of sex is only immature when men do it?

Jayne


I am not opposed to abortion. Abortion is a consequence. It is not an
easy choice nor is it without pain and regret.

On 8 Nov 2005 20:52:02 -0800, "Francine"
wrote:

The man has a choice. Stay celibate. Wear a condom or get a
vasectomy. If you decide to play, you take the gamble that you'll have
to pay. That's not sexism. To have sex and then try and avoid the
consequences of sex is immature.

That's exactly what females were told before legal abortion, and they
wanted to law changed. Think about it, if you can.