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And I don't know why everyone's going on about the cost and the
requirement of kitchens etc. when every college probably has a canteen and they're probably not serving junk either. No but it costs 3 times as much (if not more) to eat there and every single student pays. In the public elem. schools not every kids pays and even full price it is something like $1.50. Everyone goes to public school and only those that can figure out how to pay for it go to college. College meal programs are not, by and large, funded at public expense like public school meals are. |
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Banty schrieb: In article ehrebeniuk-CE9A39.21252930072008@news, Chookie says... snip I hadn't read about the superdonuts et al at the time I wrote that. Our breakfasts involve cereal and toast (occasionally egg dishes or something on weekends), and my 7yo can still make a reasonable mess with that. A donut and a juice box makes more sense. Whoa - morning blood glucose spike oh joy. Yeah, that's what I thought, too. I think the problem with school lunches (probably more so in the states than here in germany) is that it's going to be fastfood/junkfood. Yes, I consider Donuts to be junkfood or a treat, something we may have for afternoon tea (is that the right term? We call it "Kaffeetrinken" in our family, it's around mid afternoon, we have cake/muffins/something else sweet or maybe a sandwich if we don't want something sweet and either coffee or tea or whatever else we want to drink). What I would consider an appropriate school breakfast/lunch would be a sandwich with lunchmeat and/or cheese. Maybe a leaf of lettuce and a slice of tomato. No peanutbutter, no nutella, possibly jam/marmalade for those who don't eat meat/dairy. And a drink of water (you have fountains, right? We don't in germany.) What is wrong with peanut butter? Peanut butter and banana on whole wheat would not be considered a healthy sandwich? If they want to serve a hot lunch I'd personally prefer to see something like pasta with meatballs, no frenchfries and fried meat, some fruit salad or chopped up fresh fruit and/or yogurt... I don't see anything wrong with occasionally eating fastfood/junkfood, but I think our kids get enough junk at home as it is. And I don't know why everyone's going on about the cost and the requirement of kitchens etc. when every college probably has a canteen and they're probably not serving junk either. When I was at university I ate at the canteen a lot. Of course some food was horrible but most food was good enough for the price I payed. We didn't eat fried everything every day, we had frenchfries maybe once a week (you could tell by the superlong queue) but we had a fair amount of pasta and boiled potatoes. We had a choice of - regular meal cheap meal with two sides one meat, like schnitzel and fries and salad/soup, or pasta with salad. You could ask for vegetarian which meant the meat was left out and you got more sides (very funny because you usually ended up with a huge amount of food because there wasn't that much meat on the plate anyway) - pick your own meal like a buffet, you picked what you wanted and then payed at the end of the buffet. - "eintopf" (one pot meals, not the actual translation of stew) everything that could be served in a soup bowl. Risotto, stew, "dampfnudeln" (it's a sweet dish consisting of a boiled/steamed ball of dough, like a sweet roll possibly filled with plum jam, served with some sort of sauce, usually chocolate or vanilla), "milchreis" (milkrice? rice cooked in milk, like oatmeal I guess, served with canned fruitsalad, raisins or just sugar and cinnamon. The "eintopf" was the cheapest meal you could get and I don't think I was ever able to eat the whole pot, but then I wasn't usually able to east the vegetarian version of their regular meal because they piled on the sides! I think the ladies working those food lines thought every vegetarian would starve if not fed double the amount the carnivores got *lol* Yeah, that turned into a bit of a short story. Sorry. cu nicole |
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Banty wrote:
In article , NL says... [snip] What I would consider an appropriate school breakfast/lunch would be a sandwich with lunchmeat and/or cheese. Maybe a leaf of lettuce and a slice of tomato. No peanutbutter, no nutella, possibly jam/marmalade for those who don't eat meat/dairy. And a drink of water (you have fountains, right? We don't in germany.) Why not peanut butter? It probably comes into the same mental slot as nutella, which is a chocolate and hazelnut spread (and very tasty). But it's not a breakfast food, unlike jam or marmite. At our house, breakfast for both of us is oatmeal with milk, and a few ounces of cheese for me. A sandwich for breakfast would probably be considered very weird and be rejected, but a bowl of granola with milk would be decent. A little cold sausage or cheese would be great. Anything protien other than milk would probably not fly, though. [snip] A bacon buttie is a sandwich and also definately breakfast food - two or so rashers of bacon in white bread. -- Penny Gaines UK mum to three |
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Banty schrieb:
In article , NL says... What I would consider an appropriate school breakfast/lunch would be a sandwich with lunchmeat and/or cheese. Maybe a leaf of lettuce and a slice of tomato. No peanutbutter, no nutella, possibly jam/marmalade for those who don't eat meat/dairy. And a drink of water (you have fountains, right? We don't in germany.) Why not peanut butter? Ok, I love peanutbutter, but I don't think it's healthy, it's very fatty, usually has sugar and salt added in not insignificant amounts and there are better things you can feed kids first thing in the morning than that sticky gooey stuff ;-) Honestly, I think I'm very biased being german. I think growing up without peanutbutter means I consider it junk because I only ever ate it in moderation anyway... It's hard to explain, but I still think it's not the healthiest/best thing to eat. A cheese sandwich would be better. All that said: In germany we get a break in the morning at around 9 or 10 for "2nd breakfast" the kids bring their own food and usually it's a sandwich with either lunchmeat or cheese or possibly jam. Our school is a member of the "Healthy school club" thingo (I don't know how to properly translate it, basically they've banned sweets and snackfood like chips and similar, there's more it's not just food but exercise and all sorts of stuff, but I'll focus on food here.) At our house, breakfast for both of us is oatmeal with milk, and a few ounces of cheese for me. A sandwich for breakfast would probably be considered very weird and be rejected, but a bowl of granola with milk would be decent. A little cold sausage or cheese would be great. Anything protien other than milk would probably not fly, though. Sam has oatmeal with cocoa and a glass of diluted juice, I have muesli that I nuke because I like it mushy and also a glass of diluted juice... Sometimes he wants cereal like Cocoapuffs which I fork out on occasion. But he takes a sandwich to school. On special request and if it's not too warm outside I pack oatmeal (dry with cocoa mixed in) and a small bottle of milk. If they want to serve a hot lunch I'd personally prefer to see something like pasta with meatballs, no frenchfries and fried meat, some fruit salad or chopped up fresh fruit and/or yogurt... Said fruit salad would probably be canned and packed in corn syrup - not great. Chopped up - very labor intensive. Spaghetti and meatballs is a mainstay already for school lunches. Ok, being queen of kitchen gadgets: there are apple corers that slice the apples into wedges at the same time, you just push down, takes 5 seconds. Grapes, peaches can be served washed, bananas don't even need to be washed. I don't see anything wrong with occasionally eating fastfood/junkfood, but I think our kids get enough junk at home as it is. And I don't know why everyone's going on about the cost and the requirement of kitchens etc. when every college probably has a canteen and they're probably not serving junk either. Everyone's going on about the cost because the cost of putting on a lunch and the facilities for it is scrutinized by the public that directly finances USian schools. Directly by property taxes (a good portion of the budget) VOTED ON every year by the residents of the school district! So this sort of thing gets streamlined, with much of the populace (esp. non-parents and empty nesters) whining "why can't they just pack a lunch I'm being taxed out of my house and home just to feed the kiddies luxury foods" or something like that. Well, you can cook cheap and healthy at the same time. It means less meat and more vegetables, but I'm on a super tight budget and cooking from scratch is still cheaper than buying frozen and reheating. I know, cooks earn more than can openers, but I still don't think it'll make a huge difference. When I was at university I ate at the canteen a lot. Of course some food was horrible but most food was good enough for the price I payed. We didn't eat fried everything every day, we had frenchfries maybe once a week (you could tell by the superlong queue) but we had a fair amount of pasta and boiled potatoes. I gained weight at the university dorm cafeterias - one big problem was the long line - once I was done with whatever they served, all that was left were the vending machines. I lost the weight only when I went to an off-campus apartment. I gained when I was pregnant... both times *lol* and I'm still working to loose what I gained with Sara while the weight dropped off me like a stone with Sam. Can't be the additional 7 years, right? snip long list of foods I think I'll be moving to Germany and going to college soon... *lol* let me know so we can meet up ;-) Yeah, that turned into a bit of a short story. Sorry. No, it was interesting. Thank you. Banty |
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Stephanie schrieb:
NL wrote: What I would consider an appropriate school breakfast/lunch would be a sandwich with lunchmeat and/or cheese. Maybe a leaf of lettuce and a slice of tomato. No peanutbutter, no nutella, possibly jam/marmalade for those who don't eat meat/dairy. And a drink of water (you have fountains, right? We don't in germany.) What is wrong with peanut butter? Peanut butter and banana on whole wheat would not be considered a healthy sandwich? Peanut butter is very fatty and has sugar and salt added as far as i know, so no, I don't think it's healthy. cu nicole |
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In article , NL says...
Banty schrieb: In article , NL says... What I would consider an appropriate school breakfast/lunch would be a sandwich with lunchmeat and/or cheese. Maybe a leaf of lettuce and a slice of tomato. No peanutbutter, no nutella, possibly jam/marmalade for those who don't eat meat/dairy. And a drink of water (you have fountains, right? We don't in germany.) Why not peanut butter? Ok, I love peanutbutter, but I don't think it's healthy, it's very fatty, usually has sugar and salt added in not insignificant amounts and there are better things you can feed kids first thing in the morning than that sticky gooey stuff ;-) Honestly, I think I'm very biased being german. I think growing up without peanutbutter means I consider it junk because I only ever ate it in moderation anyway... It's hard to explain, but I still think it's not the healthiest/best thing to eat. A cheese sandwich would be better. Cheese sandwiches are more rare here. And constipating. All that said: In germany we get a break in the morning at around 9 or 10 for "2nd breakfast" the kids bring their own food and usually it's a sandwich with either lunchmeat or cheese or possibly jam. Our school is a member of the "Healthy school club" thingo (I don't know how to properly translate it, basically they've banned sweets and snackfood like chips and similar, there's more it's not just food but exercise and all sorts of stuff, but I'll focus on food here.) At our house, breakfast for both of us is oatmeal with milk, and a few ounces of cheese for me. A sandwich for breakfast would probably be considered very weird and be rejected, but a bowl of granola with milk would be decent. A little cold sausage or cheese would be great. Anything protien other than milk would probably not fly, though. Sam has oatmeal with cocoa and a glass of diluted juice, I have muesli that I nuke because I like it mushy and also a glass of diluted juice... Sometimes he wants cereal like Cocoapuffs which I fork out on occasion. But he takes a sandwich to school. On special request and if it's not too warm outside I pack oatmeal (dry with cocoa mixed in) and a small bottle of milk. If they want to serve a hot lunch I'd personally prefer to see something like pasta with meatballs, no frenchfries and fried meat, some fruit salad or chopped up fresh fruit and/or yogurt... Said fruit salad would probably be canned and packed in corn syrup - not great. Chopped up - very labor intensive. Spaghetti and meatballs is a mainstay already for school lunches. Ok, being queen of kitchen gadgets: there are apple corers that slice the apples into wedges at the same time, you just push down, takes 5 seconds. Grapes, peaches can be served washed, bananas don't even need to be washed. I don't see anything wrong with occasionally eating fastfood/junkfood, but I think our kids get enough junk at home as it is. And I don't know why everyone's going on about the cost and the requirement of kitchens etc. when every college probably has a canteen and they're probably not serving junk either. Everyone's going on about the cost because the cost of putting on a lunch and the facilities for it is scrutinized by the public that directly finances USian schools. Directly by property taxes (a good portion of the budget) VOTED ON every year by the residents of the school district! So this sort of thing gets streamlined, with much of the populace (esp. non-parents and empty nesters) whining "why can't they just pack a lunch I'm being taxed out of my house and home just to feed the kiddies luxury foods" or something like that. Well, you can cook cheap and healthy at the same time. It means less meat and more vegetables, but I'm on a super tight budget and cooking from scratch is still cheaper than buying frozen and reheating. I know, cooks earn more than can openers, but I still don't think it'll make a huge difference. Its cheaper for you (as it would be in most households) but only because you're not really costing in your own labor, and the rent and maintenance of your preparation space. It's kind like the homeschooling discussion. If you forget the overhead and labor (which one only can if one would be doing it anyway and the space is there anyway), it "looks" cheap. But its not in a way any business or overall social model would need to look at it. Banty |
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Banty schrieb: In article , NL says... What I would consider an appropriate school breakfast/lunch would be a sandwich with lunchmeat and/or cheese. Maybe a leaf of lettuce and a slice of tomato. No peanutbutter, no nutella, possibly jam/marmalade for those who don't eat meat/dairy. And a drink of water (you have fountains, right? We don't in germany.) Why not peanut butter? Ok, I love peanutbutter, but I don't think it's healthy, it's very fatty, usually has sugar and salt added in not insignificant amounts and there are better things you can feed kids first thing in the morning than that sticky gooey stuff ;-) Peatnut butter is like avocado in that it is considered a "good" fat. People do need fat in their diet. Not necessarily potato chip fat! You can buy or very easily make peanut butter without added sugar and salt. Soy nut butter is pretty good too. But I am with you, not for breakfast. Honestly, I think I'm very biased being german. I think growing up without peanutbutter means I consider it junk because I only ever ate it in moderation anyway... It's hard to explain, but I still think it's not the healthiest/best thing to eat. A cheese sandwich would be better. Dairy fat is actually considered to be one of the "bad" fats. And who would want to eat non-fat cheddar cheese?!? Ew. (I live in Vermont USA. Cheddar cheese state.) Growing up habits are a HUGE part of so many people's diet. That is part of the reason we try to moderate what I consider the really awful stuff. All that said: In germany we get a break in the morning at around 9 or 10 for "2nd breakfast" the kids bring their own food and usually it's a sandwich with either lunchmeat or cheese or possibly jam. Our school is a member of the "Healthy school club" thingo (I don't know how to properly translate it, basically they've banned sweets and snackfood like chips and similar, there's more it's not just food but exercise and all sorts of stuff, but I'll focus on food here.) At our house, breakfast for both of us is oatmeal with milk, and a few ounces of cheese for me. A sandwich for breakfast would probably be considered very weird and be rejected, but a bowl of granola with milk would be decent. A little cold sausage or cheese would be great. Anything protien other than milk would probably not fly, though. Sam has oatmeal with cocoa and a glass of diluted juice, I have muesli that I nuke because I like it mushy and also a glass of diluted juice... Sometimes he wants cereal like Cocoapuffs which I fork out on occasion. But he takes a sandwich to school. On special request and if it's not too warm outside I pack oatmeal (dry with cocoa mixed in) and a small bottle of milk. If they want to serve a hot lunch I'd personally prefer to see something like pasta with meatballs, no frenchfries and fried meat, some fruit salad or chopped up fresh fruit and/or yogurt... Said fruit salad would probably be canned and packed in corn syrup - not great. Chopped up - very labor intensive. Spaghetti and meatballs is a mainstay already for school lunches. Ok, being queen of kitchen gadgets: there are apple corers that slice the apples into wedges at the same time, you just push down, takes 5 seconds. Grapes, peaches can be served washed, bananas don't even need to be washed. OMG! Apples. We have this thingy that peels and cores in one spiral motion! Love it. I don't see anything wrong with occasionally eating fastfood/junkfood, but I think our kids get enough junk at home as it is. And I don't know why everyone's going on about the cost and the requirement of kitchens etc. when every college probably has a canteen and they're probably not serving junk either. Everyone's going on about the cost because the cost of putting on a lunch and the facilities for it is scrutinized by the public that directly finances USian schools. Directly by property taxes (a good portion of the budget) VOTED ON every year by the residents of the school district! So this sort of thing gets streamlined, with much of the populace (esp. non-parents and empty nesters) whining "why can't they just pack a lunch I'm being taxed out of my house and home just to feed the kiddies luxury foods" or something like that. Well, you can cook cheap and healthy at the same time. It means less meat and more vegetables, but I'm on a super tight budget and cooking from scratch is still cheaper than buying frozen and reheating. I know, cooks earn more than can openers, but I still don't think it'll make a huge difference. When I was at university I ate at the canteen a lot. Of course some food was horrible but most food was good enough for the price I payed. We didn't eat fried everything every day, we had frenchfries maybe once a week (you could tell by the superlong queue) but we had a fair amount of pasta and boiled potatoes. I gained weight at the university dorm cafeterias - one big problem was the long line - once I was done with whatever they served, all that was left were the vending machines. I lost the weight only when I went to an off-campus apartment. I gained when I was pregnant... both times *lol* and I'm still working to loose what I gained with Sara while the weight dropped off me like a stone with Sam. Can't be the additional 7 years, right? snip long list of foods I think I'll be moving to Germany and going to college soon... *lol* let me know so we can meet up ;-) Yeah, that turned into a bit of a short story. Sorry. No, it was interesting. Thank you. Banty |
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Stephanie schrieb: NL wrote: What I would consider an appropriate school breakfast/lunch would be a sandwich with lunchmeat and/or cheese. Maybe a leaf of lettuce and a slice of tomato. No peanutbutter, no nutella, possibly jam/marmalade for those who don't eat meat/dairy. And a drink of water (you have fountains, right? We don't in germany.) What is wrong with peanut butter? Peanut butter and banana on whole wheat would not be considered a healthy sandwich? Peanut butter is very fatty and has sugar and salt added as far as i know, so no, I don't think it's healthy. cu nicole Good fat per my favorite nutricion guy. Like avocado. But you don't have to get it with added sugar and salt. |
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NL wrote:
Banty schrieb: In article , NL says... What I would consider an appropriate school breakfast/lunch would be a sandwich with lunchmeat and/or cheese. Maybe a leaf of lettuce and a slice of tomato. No peanutbutter, no nutella, possibly jam/marmalade for those who don't eat meat/dairy. And a drink of water (you have fountains, right? We don't in germany.) When I was in school our use of the water fountains was restricted. We weren't allowed to stop and have a drink on the way in from the playground for instance. Nor were we allowed to carry bottled water or any food or drink with us. We also do have some areas where the water in fountains is contaminated with lead or bacteria so that it is not safe to drink. Why not peanut butter? Ok, I love peanutbutter, but I don't think it's healthy, it's very fatty, usually has sugar and salt added in not insignificant amounts and there are better things you can feed kids first thing in the morning than that sticky gooey stuff ;-) Honestly, I think I'm very biased being german. I think growing up without peanutbutter means I consider it junk because I only ever ate it in moderation anyway... It's hard to explain, but I still think it's not the healthiest/best thing to eat. A cheese sandwich would be better. Peanut butter had veggie based protein. My dh ate pb&j sandwiches for lunch for YEARS - all though school. It's all he would eat. He still eats it, although now on whole grain bread. One of my dds would only eat the pb without the j. He has never eaten much cheese - does not particularly like it and is now lactose intolerant. My dd#1 lived in England for several years, and she said that the English could not get their heads around stuff like pumpkin pie which is basically a custard with milk and eggs and the pumpkin which is a very nice yellow/orange vegetable (at least the way we make it) and some spices. The more conservative ones wouldn't even try it. But while it does have some sugar in it, it's really not a bad dessert. A sandwich for breakfast would probably be considered very weird and be rejected, but a bowl of granola with milk would be decent. A little cold sausage or cheese would be great. Anything protien other than milk would probably not fly, though. Haven't you ever had bacon, egg and cheese biscuit sandwiches? Very very bad for you, but a sandwich with lots of protein and lots of calories. Sam has oatmeal with cocoa and a glass of diluted juice, I have muesli that I nuke because I like it mushy and also a glass of diluted juice... Sometimes he wants cereal like Cocoapuffs which I fork out on occasion. But he takes a sandwich to school. On special request and if it's not too warm outside I pack oatmeal (dry with cocoa mixed in) and a small bottle of milk. My mother always taught me that chocolate milk was evil, and I should not drink it. Also, in the days when I was in school, regular milk was whole milk, and chocolate milk was skim milk which was considered not as good for children. If they want to serve a hot lunch I'd personally prefer to see something like pasta with meatballs, no frenchfries and fried meat, some fruit salad or chopped up fresh fruit and/or yogurt... Said fruit salad would probably be canned and packed in corn syrup - not great. Chopped up - very labor intensive. Spaghetti and meatballs is a mainstay already for school lunches. Ok, being queen of kitchen gadgets: there are apple corers that slice the apples into wedges at the same time, you just push down, takes 5 seconds. Grapes, peaches can be served washed, bananas don't even need to be washed. It makes a BIG BIG different if you core 5 apples and if you core 100 apples. Five apples in five seconds each - pretty easy. Not 100 apples. Also of course unless you treat them with lemon juice, they turn brown and don't look appealing. I don't see anything wrong with occasionally eating fastfood/junkfood, but I think our kids get enough junk at home as it is. It isn't our business what they get at home. We can't correct the nutritional blind spots of the parents. |
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Banty schrieb:
In article , NL says... Honestly, I think I'm very biased being german. I think growing up without peanutbutter means I consider it junk because I only ever ate it in moderation anyway... It's hard to explain, but I still think it's not the healthiest/best thing to eat. A cheese sandwich would be better. Cheese sandwiches are more rare here. And constipating. I _knew_ my lactose intolerance would be a good thing in some instances ;-) snip Well, you can cook cheap and healthy at the same time. It means less meat and more vegetables, but I'm on a super tight budget and cooking from scratch is still cheaper than buying frozen and reheating. I know, cooks earn more than can openers, but I still don't think it'll make a huge difference. Its cheaper for you (as it would be in most households) but only because you're not really costing in your own labor, and the rent and maintenance of your preparation space. I know what you mean, but how do the universities manage it? I payed (back in the day) about 2DM (roughly 1¤) for a meal, that's *cough*years ago, so let's just say it would be about $3. For a meal that fed an adult and generated leftovers! I know it was subsidized, I think they got half the meal prices from... I'm actually not sure if it was the state the city or some sub organization on campus (Studentenwerk, they own some/most of the dorms and either run or subcontract out the cafeterias. I'm not sure if part of their profits from other areas went into the cafeteria or if they got money from the state. Sorry.) Anyway, let's say an adult meal costs $5 and a kid sized meal would be about half the size but since you still spend the time putting it on plates, etc. I'd say $3 per cooked hot meal would be a good total price, then we need to figure out how much gets subsidized, but I don't think we'll be able to feed the kids on less than $2 per cooked hot meal, does that sound right? It's kind like the homeschooling discussion. If you forget the overhead and labor (which one only can if one would be doing it anyway and the space is there anyway), it "looks" cheap. But its not in a way any business or overall social model would need to look at it. Ok, I kind of don't get what you're trying to say here, but that's probably because I have absolutely minimal info about how homeschooling works. cu nicole |
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