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Things to think of before you get married again..
"Gini" wrote in message news:jdXWg.2328$HP.1802@trndny08... "Fred" wrote Gini wrote: wrote Fred - You are Fred aren't you, and not Cindy, Sharon, Luoise, or some other feminist disguising yourself to make it look like you are chivalrous? == We frequently get the male feminists when they are the second husband and resent the bio dad's boat, car, food, etc. They all seem to think bio dad owes them a higher standard of living. Really, they do. Bio dad owes second husband nothing. Bio dad owes his kids. He is, after all, bio dad. == So then you have no problem with the child support used exclusively for said child and not be put into the family coffers for let's say, the mortgage, SUV payment? I assume you have no problem with the recipient being able to make SUV payments from their own earnings? |
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"Fred" wrote in message . net... Andre Lieven wrote: Fred (moron-guy@clueless.*******) proves that Feminism IS brain rot: Gini wrote: "Fred" whined and fled refutations of his misandry: ......................... I read your entire message. What it boils down to is yet another attempt to evade your responsibilities by ignoring the doctrine of informed consent. Sorry, but men can't just spread their semen hither and yon and walk away from the consequences thereof because those consequences are ... *inconvenient*. That's "inconvenient" as in financially inconvenient, because at the end of the day it's always about the money with y'all. It's disgusting, really. == Then I presume you find it equally disgusting when the mother does the same, such as abortion, baby dropoff? What's "baby dropoff"? Gads, are you clueless ! Gads, are you rude! [Inferiority complex. Makes himself feel big by making others feel small.] Google " Legal Abandon Laws ". 40 states have them, which are NON medical and NON biolical LEGAL means by which a mother of an infant can LEGALLY relinquish said infant with NO further legal obligations to said child, EVER. Last time I looked, we called that "adoption." What is your problem with adoption? [more rudeness deleted] For a person who claims to be from Minnesota who has so many strong opinions about men's parental responsibility, you ought to understand the Minnesota laws regarding women's parental avoidance. "Under the Minnesota program, called "A Safe Place for Newborns,", a mother can anonymously drop off an unharmed newborn without fear of prosecution. She will be asked to volunteer medical information, but not required to do so. No identification required, no signed relinquishment, no mandatory medical information." |
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Gini wrote:
"Fred" wrote Andre Lieven wrote: ............................................ Google " Legal Abandon Laws ". 40 states have them, which are NON medical and NON biolical LEGAL means by which a mother of an infant can LEGALLY relinquish said infant with NO further legal obligations to said child, EVER. Last time I looked, we called that "adoption." == Then I suggest you look again. == What is your problem with adoption? == No one is discussing adoption. Damn Gini, we haven't had this big a ****** around here for many a year. I almost fell over laughing when I read his(?) "What's child-drop-off ? line, now this adoption thingie...dam ! Marg and Parg and the "girlies" are deceitful, lying misandrists but at least they're not (too) stupid...this guy (?) is 'bout smart, I say smart as a pound of wet leather, 'bout colourful, I say colourful as a bag of flour, 'bout dumb, I say dumb as a sack of hammers... :-) ....Ken |
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Ken Chaddock wrote:
Fred wrote: Gini wrote: "Fred" wrote ......................... I read your entire message. What it boils down to is yet another attempt to evade your responsibilities by ignoring the doctrine of informed consent. Sorry, but men can't just spread their semen hither and yon and walk away from the consequences thereof because those consequences are ... *inconvenient*. That's "inconvenient" as in financially inconvenient, because at the end of the day it's always about the money with y'all. It's disgusting, really. == Then I presume you find it equally disgusting when the mother does the same, such as abortion, baby dropoff? What's "baby dropoff"? God, you're in here, talking like you're the great know-it-all authority of child custody and parental responsibility and reproductive rights and you don't even know what child-drop-off is ? What an arse-h*%e...you didn't have much credibility but you've certainly destroyed what little you did have with this... Just for your eludication...child-drop-off is consequence free, legal abandonment of an infant child by a mother, sometimes also called "safe haven" laws or "hatchery" laws. Currently at least 37 states have "safe haven" laws with more in progress. All the mother has to do is take the child to a "safe" drop off point...she can't just throw it in a dumpster, which is what some used to do...such as a police station, fire station, welfare office, hospital or medical clinic etc. There are *NO* strings attached, in most case they aren't even allowed to ask her her name so there are absolutely NO legal consequences...note that in all but two states this provision is NOT available to the father and those two they *require* that he provide identification...for future child support no doubt... If you don't believe me...and you probably won't...there's plenty of info on the net. up to and including state statutes that you can read yourself... ...Ken Update, with a little further research I've discovered that apparently there are now 47 states with "safe haven" laws and, wonder of all wonders, a couple of them will also accept an infant from a man without asking questions...but only a couple... ....and NO Fred, this ISN'T adoption... ....Ken |
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Tracy, So therefore Big Brother(Uncle Sammy) should solve our problems for us!!! Hell they can't even see the reality of taking responsibility for closing the damn border to our south much less make equitable solutions through the tyrannical "Family Court" joke!! Do you even understand the relation of these two subjects...Can you hold these two thoughts in your mind at the same time.... |
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Well, the last time I read parts of the Constitution of the United States, I didn't see anything that "Constitutes" indentured servitude either! |
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Gini wrote:
"Fred" wrote Gini wrote: wrote Fred - You are Fred aren't you, and not Cindy, Sharon, Luoise, or some other feminist disguising yourself to make it look like you are chivalrous? == We frequently get the male feminists when they are the second husband and resent the bio dad's boat, car, food, etc. They all seem to think bio dad owes them a higher standard of living. Really, they do. Bio dad owes second husband nothing. Bio dad owes his kids. He is, after all, bio dad. == So then you have no problem with the child support used exclusively for said child and not be put into the family coffers for let's say, the mortgage, SUV payment? You may take what I said at face value. I will leave it to legislatures and courts to figure out what constitutes an expense in the child's interest. |
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"Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "Ken Chaddock" wrote in message news:RzLWg.10968$H7.5814@edtnps82... Fred wrote: Gini wrote: "teachrmama" wrote ............................ And you, Fred, are totally *dismissing* WOMEN'S responsibilities! I am a woman, and I find it demeaning that you keep harping on what MEN should do, but not a hint about how WOMEN should handle their responibilities in the same situation. Everything a woman does after the sex act is a consequence of where that mean old man left his semen. Nonsense! Or maybe I'm just reading you wrong--why don't you clearly delineate what the woman's responsibilities are after the consequence of pregnancy becomes an issue. == A ride to the CSE office? (Because she's *owed* it, of course.) I guess that the matter is best explained by reference to the theme of the game Fable: "For every choice, a consequence." It's too bad that you seem to grasp the obvious fact that all post conception choices are the woman's and therefore, in accordance with the precepts of "Natural/Fundamental" Justice, all the consequences that follow from those choices should also be hers. So he chooses to spread his semen hither and yon, and she chooses to let him spread it in her. And let's say that the consequence is pregnancy. But that's as far as the "consequence" of his "spreading his sperm around" go. After that the woman has many options and CHOICES...even if she decides (note the word "decides") not to abort the fetus, that to, is a CHOICE, the consequence of which will most likely be the birth of a child... And if the child is born, how does that absolve the man from any responsibility for or to the child? Isn't it still 50% genetically his child, and legally his child as well? Now there are other choices to be made, in this case by her, and from those choices will spring consequences in turn. Yes, as I noted above, but ALL post conception choices are HER choices, to hold him responsible for the consequences that follow from HER choices is fundamentally unfair, unjust and, on top of all that, most likely unconstitutional... So because she has choices that pertain strictly to undergoing (or not undergoing) a medical and surgical procedure, you think this absolves the man from any responsibility, even though it's still his child? When the father legally has 50% of the rights to match his responsibilities, the we can come back to his responsibilities toward the child. Until he becomes an actual parent in the life of the child he helped create--50/50 with the mother, he also should not be the bankroll. So if one parent dumps all of the responsibility onto the other parent, the parent shouldering the responsibility gets all the rights, and the parent who dumped their responsibilities gets no rights? Depends. Unmarried: default 50/50 with both mom and dad having the same rights to walk away in the exact same time frame. But the default 50/50 is the key. Married and divorcing: default 50/50. No rights to walk away. If Dad wants only 20%, he pays mom to handle his other 30 percent. If mom wants 80/20 and can get dad to agree, she handles the other 30 % she chooses on her own. Other than that, they pay for their own expenses. |
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Gini wrote:
"Fred" wrote Andre Lieven wrote: ............................................ Google " Legal Abandon Laws ". 40 states have them, which are NON medical and NON biolical LEGAL means by which a mother of an infant can LEGALLY relinquish said infant with NO further legal obligations to said child, EVER. Last time I looked, we called that "adoption." == Then I suggest you look again. I asked you what "baby dropoff" was. Instead of responding with substance, you respond with a sleazy cheap shot. If you are going to play cheap, sleazy games, I won't deal with you. Now then, what's "baby dropoff"? And don't refer me to Andre's screed. I want a substantive description that differentiates between whatever y'all are talking about and adoption. Now get to work or go away. You get to decide. |
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"Fred" wrote in message . net... Andre Lieven wrote: Fred (moron-guy@clueless.*******) proves that Feminism IS brain rot: Gini wrote: "Fred" whined and fled refutations of his misandry: ......................... I read your entire message. What it boils down to is yet another attempt to evade your responsibilities by ignoring the doctrine of informed consent. Sorry, but men can't just spread their semen hither and yon and walk away from the consequences thereof because those consequences are ... *inconvenient*. That's "inconvenient" as in financially inconvenient, because at the end of the day it's always about the money with y'all. It's disgusting, really. == Then I presume you find it equally disgusting when the mother does the same, such as abortion, baby dropoff? What's "baby dropoff"? Gads, are you clueless ! Gads, are you rude! [Inferiority complex. Makes himself feel big by making others feel small.] Google " Legal Abandon Laws ". 40 states have them, which are NON medical and NON biolical LEGAL means by which a mother of an infant can LEGALLY relinquish said infant with NO further legal obligations to said child, EVER. Last time I looked, we called that "adoption." No it's not, Fred! Geesh! She can birth the child and, within a certain amount of time, drop the child off at a police station, forehouse, or hospital, no questions asked, and walk away.. Legal abandonment. Only for mommies, though. |
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