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Old October 15th 06, 10:01 PM posted to alt.support.divorce,soc.men,alt.support.single-parents
Avenger
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Default Any lawyers want to sue to make child support unconstitutional?



I'd be willing to be the Plaintiff. If you're not a lawyer, and want
to pay
for one for me, I'd do it too.

I have no children, primarily because if I did, I'd lose my
constitutional
rights and could wind up in prison for failure to pay child support,
which
effectively makes it a debtor's prison.


Wrong. Refusing to pay will send you to prison. An inability to pay
will not.
Don't confuse the two. If after the sadness of losing losing your wife
to divorce,
you slip through the cracks in depression and don't qualify for any
financial assistance
and resort to dumpster diving to support yourself, you obviously have no
means to pay child
support. You will not go to prison not having the means to pay child
support.


This is the SOLE reason I choose not to have children.

It is a good reason not to have children and there are many more good
reasons, too.
But with the million of good women who don't want to get married, why
even bother with that.


The child support laws violate the Equal Protection Clause of the
Constitution because it puts poor men at risk of prison, while wealthy
men
do not have this risk.

Poor men in any society can only afford to work and have a few beers
because the rest of the money
must to support the wife and kids. That is true in all cultures on the
planet.

Wealthy men can by anything they want and make as many mistakes as they
wish because they have the money
or pay for whatever they want.



If such men are in no condition to support a child, they should use a
little thing called a CONDOM... or abstain from sex completely.


Abstain from eating you tub of lard.



And yes, the same applies to women... it's called BIRTH CONTROL... use
it.


Birth control is the Female's duty since she's the one who gets pregnant.




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  #12  
Old October 16th 06, 01:31 AM posted to alt.support.divorce,soc.men,alt.support.single-parents
YooperBoyka
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Default Any lawyers want to sue to make child support unconstitutional?


"enquiring minds" wrote in message
...
Ray Gordon wrote:

I'd be willing to be the Plaintiff. If you're not a lawyer, and want to
pay
for one for me, I'd do it too.

I have no children, primarily because if I did, I'd lose my
constitutional
rights and could wind up in prison for failure to pay child support,
which
effectively makes it a debtor's prison.


Wrong. Refusing to pay will send you to prison. An inability to pay
will not.
Don't confuse the two.


Why not?
The courts do often enough.



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Old October 16th 06, 02:56 AM posted to alt.support.divorce,soc.men,alt.support.single-parents
Fred
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Default Any lawyers want to sue to make child support unconstitutional?

YooperBoyka wrote:
"enquiring minds" wrote in message
...
Ray Gordon wrote:
I'd be willing to be the Plaintiff. If you're not a lawyer, and want to
pay
for one for me, I'd do it too.

I have no children, primarily because if I did, I'd lose my
constitutional
rights and could wind up in prison for failure to pay child support,
which
effectively makes it a debtor's prison.

Wrong. Refusing to pay will send you to prison. An inability to pay
will not.
Don't confuse the two.


Why not?
The courts do often enough.


So if someone makes a mistake, that justifies you making the same mistake?

That doesn't make sense ... (8-(


  #14  
Old October 16th 06, 04:04 PM posted to alt.support.divorce,soc.men,alt.support.single-parents
YooperBoyka
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Default Any lawyers want to sue to make child support unconstitutional?


"Fred" wrote in message
. net...
YooperBoyka wrote:
"enquiring minds" wrote in message
...
Ray Gordon wrote:
I'd be willing to be the Plaintiff. If you're not a lawyer, and want
to pay
for one for me, I'd do it too.

I have no children, primarily because if I did, I'd lose my
constitutional
rights and could wind up in prison for failure to pay child support,
which
effectively makes it a debtor's prison.
Wrong. Refusing to pay will send you to prison. An inability to pay
will not.
Don't confuse the two.


Why not?
The courts do often enough.


So if someone makes a mistake, that justifies you making the same mistake?

That doesn't make sense ... (8-(


What doesn't make sense is that an inability to pay can and WILL
get you incarcerated.
Pretending it won't will solve nothing.



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  #15  
Old October 16th 06, 04:40 PM posted to alt.support.divorce,soc.men,alt.support.single-parents
Fred
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Default Any lawyers want to sue to make child support unconstitutional?

YooperBoyka wrote:

I have no children, primarily because if I did, I'd lose my
constitutional
rights and could wind up in prison for failure to pay child support,
which
effectively makes it a debtor's prison.
Wrong. Refusing to pay will send you to prison. An inability to pay
will not.
Don't confuse the two.
Why not?
The courts do often enough.

So if someone makes a mistake, that justifies you making the same mistake?

That doesn't make sense ... (8-(


What doesn't make sense is that an inability to pay can and WILL
get you incarcerated.
Pretending it won't will solve nothing.


I cannot speak for any other jurisdiction, but as to the jurisdiction in
which I reside (Minnesota), an inability to pay will NOT get you
incarcerated. It might get your child support reduced if you make a
motion to that effect, and/or it might result in establishment of a
payment plan, but it will NOT get you incarcerated. Only if you have the
ability to pay and are not doing so MIGHT you be incarcerated.

If you want to cite a jurisdiction that has a policy of incarcerating
based on inability (not refusal; inability) to pay, please do so. But
knock off the glittering generalities; they are not appropriate.

  #16  
Old October 16th 06, 05:21 PM posted to alt.support.divorce,soc.men,alt.support.single-parents
pandora
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Default Any lawyers want to sue to make child support unconstitutional?


"Avenger" wrote in message
news:ZkxYg.303$4T6.91@trnddc02...


I'd be willing to be the Plaintiff. If you're not a lawyer, and want
to pay
for one for me, I'd do it too.

I have no children, primarily because if I did, I'd lose my
constitutional
rights and could wind up in prison for failure to pay child support,
which
effectively makes it a debtor's prison.

Wrong. Refusing to pay will send you to prison. An inability to pay
will not.
Don't confuse the two. If after the sadness of losing losing your wife
to divorce,
you slip through the cracks in depression and don't qualify for any
financial assistance
and resort to dumpster diving to support yourself, you obviously have

no
means to pay child
support. You will not go to prison not having the means to pay child
support.


This is the SOLE reason I choose not to have children.

It is a good reason not to have children and there are many more good
reasons, too.
But with the million of good women who don't want to get married, why
even bother with that.


The child support laws violate the Equal Protection Clause of the
Constitution because it puts poor men at risk of prison, while

wealthy
men
do not have this risk.

Poor men in any society can only afford to work and have a few beers
because the rest of the money
must to support the wife and kids. That is true in all cultures on

the
planet.

Wealthy men can by anything they want and make as many mistakes as they
wish because they have the money
or pay for whatever they want.



If such men are in no condition to support a child, they should use a
little thing called a CONDOM... or abstain from sex completely.


Abstain from eating you tub of lard.



And yes, the same applies to women... it's called BIRTH CONTROL... use
it.


Birth control is the Female's duty since she's the one who gets pregnant.

Classic hiding one's head in the sand. Bull**** to you, boyo. If being
pregnant is ONLY a woman's concern, then you wouldn't be complaining about
having to support your *******s. Of course, any child of yours might be
better off never knowing who fathered it.

CWQ



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"Fact-free cow**** claim fails" - Andre sympathises with Joe

FACT: Female is Nature's default gender setting

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  #17  
Old October 16th 06, 09:20 PM posted to alt.support.divorce,soc.men,alt.support.single-parents
YooperBoyka
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Default Any lawyers want to sue to make child support unconstitutional?


"Fred" wrote in message
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I cannot speak for any other jurisdiction,


Try doing some reading on the subject.



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  #18  
Old October 16th 06, 09:27 PM posted to alt.support.divorce,soc.men,alt.support.single-parents
YooperBoyka
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Default Any lawyers want to sue to make child support unconstitutional?


"Fred" wrote in message
. net...
YooperBoyka wrote:

I have no children, primarily because if I did, I'd lose my
constitutional
rights and could wind up in prison for failure to pay child support,
which
effectively makes it a debtor's prison.
Wrong. Refusing to pay will send you to prison. An inability to pay
will not.
Don't confuse the two.
Why not?
The courts do often enough.
So if someone makes a mistake, that justifies you making the same
mistake?

That doesn't make sense ... (8-(


What doesn't make sense is that an inability to pay can and WILL
get you incarcerated.
Pretending it won't will solve nothing.


I cannot speak for any other jurisdiction,


Then you might want to start reading on the subject.
"Inability" can be defined in oh-so-many wonderful ways, donchaknow.



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  #19  
Old October 16th 06, 11:55 PM posted to alt.support.divorce,soc.men,alt.support.single-parents
Fred
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Default Any lawyers want to sue to make child support unconstitutional?

YooperBoyka wrote:
"Fred" wrote in message
. net...
I cannot speak for any other jurisdiction,


Try doing some reading on the subject.



I provided info from my jurisdiction that directly contradicted your
major premise.

You provided nothing.

I guess that says all that needs be said.

Have a nice day.
  #20  
Old October 17th 06, 12:04 AM posted to alt.support.divorce,soc.men,alt.support.single-parents
Fred
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Default Any lawyers want to sue to make child support unconstitutional?

YooperBoyka wrote:
"Fred" wrote in message
. net...
YooperBoyka wrote:

I have no children, primarily because if I did, I'd lose my
constitutional
rights and could wind up in prison for failure to pay child support,
which
effectively makes it a debtor's prison.
Wrong. Refusing to pay will send you to prison. An inability to pay
will not.
Don't confuse the two.
Why not?
The courts do often enough.
So if someone makes a mistake, that justifies you making the same
mistake?

That doesn't make sense ... (8-(
What doesn't make sense is that an inability to pay can and WILL
get you incarcerated.
Pretending it won't will solve nothing.

I cannot speak for any other jurisdiction,


Let's look at the entire passage that I wrote:

"I cannot speak for any other jurisdiction, but as to the jurisdiction
in which I reside (Minnesota), an inability to pay will NOT get you
incarcerated. It might get your child support reduced if you make a
motion to that effect, and/or it might result in establishment of a
payment plan, but it will NOT get you incarcerated. Only if you have the
ability to pay and are not doing so MIGHT you be incarcerated.

"If you want to cite a jurisdiction that has a policy of incarcerating
based on inability (not refusal; inability) to pay, please do so. But
knock off the glittering generalities; they are not appropriate. "

Then you might want to start reading on the subject.


I did, as to my jurisdiction. I also invited you to cite a jurisdiction
that supports your contention. You, in turn, ignored what I provided and
refused to provide info in kind.

You are being intellectually dishonest. Shame on you.

"Inability" can be defined in oh-so-many wonderful ways, donchaknow.


Then provide information regarding a jurisdiction that supports your
position.

And can the glittering generalities, which I have already demonstrated
are not valid.
 




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